Okay, so I'm wondering if this happens to anyone else...

When it comes to writing, I have no problems and can write beautifully when I try. Now speaking, on the other hand, can be a whole different ball game. Sometimes I will be asked a question and my mind goes completely blank...even if I know the information inside and out...I cannot get it out of my mouth....then, othertimes, especially when trying to explain something, it's like I have no word filter....all of the words are coming out at once, and I know I am rambling, but cannot put everything in the way that I'm seeing it in my head....and sequencing is terrible...I jump all overthe place and have to say "wait a minute..let me back up..." I feel like such an idiot sometimes! Usually these things happen when I am asked something unexpectedly...either the information disappears, or it all comes spewing out like a fire hydrant.

Please tell me I'm not alone here. Also, remember this is me NOT on any medication....I would also like to think that once I'm finally put on meds that this might resolve somewhat??

YES...I think this is also a function of age Misclee...unfortunately...but anyway...yes...this happens to me too..either I'm deaf/dumb/blind and nothing comes out of my mouth (despite the fact that I know that I know) or everything comes out and I'm all motormouthed and make no sense......and people look at me strange...either way.....yes it does get better with meds...especially incidentally the LATTER one...the word filter things starts to fall into place and so when you start to talk to people you actually start to sound more coherent...because you ARE...I think it's because with the meds the whole way the brain processes informatation is different..and so choice of words is available....the process is a little slowed down..and you can think and process information before something comes out of your mouth....you'll be amazed...so when do you see doctor?

Yes, misclee, this has been a problem. I was not aware of my rambling verbal style or how it might irritate others, or how it might confuse others as they try to listen, until I began training in psychodrama. In this case, any group therapy, not necessarily psychodrama, setting would have revealed this. It just happens psychodrama was what I was in. The director challenged me to be more concise in my speech patterns. She even went as far as suggesting I use a note pad to write my ideas down so that when it was my turn I would know what I was trying to comunicate. I was concerned this would affect my sponteneity, but it was decided I would try it. The influence to speak more concisely, making me conscious of whether I was speaking to hear myself or speaking to be heard, really made me alter the way I spoke. I resisted the urge to make long statements. I focused on ways to say what I needed to say in the least words. This was a real challenge, but a good lesson for me. People reacted so much better when I said things concisely. i learned also that people get annoyed by repeating the same pt over and over. (I probably do this in my writing too!). But verbally, this repetition communicates to the listener that I don't have high regard for their comprehension ability. So this negative message gets a negative reaction. It was very good learning for me. At the conference I used these skills in speaking concisely, restraining the urge to ramble on, and I later received feedback several times that i "sounded" very professional in the workshops. Of course, my jaw dropped everytime I got a compliment like this. I'm very lucky to have a psychodrama teacher who was not afraid to confront me on my speech patterns and was not allowing me to use ADD as an excuse to talk the way I was talking.

I would also say the medicine DID help too. While I was conciously trying to improve this area, I made a quantum leap with Straterra in the speech pattern department.

The lack of being able to recall what I was going to say has decreased with medicine. I do like to jot a thought on a pad, so I don't have to feel pressured to raise my hand or interrupt instantly. I can get my pt across later or in a few minutes, patiently, if i jot down something about my thought. Sometimes my question is answered before i get to ask it, so I can use my desire to speak, to ask a different question. Learning to resist the urge to speak in a rambling style, to be concise, to consciously use less time in communicating, to stick to one or two points, is an important lesson. People get irritated with long speaking styles. My teacher tells me to sit on my hands when I have an urge to speak when I know I need to wait.. lol..and she is not kidding..not one bit!!!!!

Jon

Thank you both so much....I really needed to hear this. Yes, my "style" of communicating was pointed out to me yesterday....at least the rambling part. When he, my instructor, said it, it made perfect sense. Hopefully now that it's in the front of my mind I can work on it...that combined with meds, should help.

Joan, I don't have another appointment yet with the psychiatrists, but have turned in all my stuff. I tried getting through to my regular doctor yesterday with no luck. I'll try again today!

Commendable attitude Misclee. Rambling attitude being pointed out to you by instructor and you say it makes perfect sense, how you can work on it....gee I might have gotten a wee bit defensive...perhaps my feelings would have been hurt....OR you have a cool professor who said it in a nice, helpful and non-threatening way and so displayed courage? Either way -- GOOD DEAL....I can't imagine an instructor here being that honest with me about anything....I may ramble and not know it...and nobody would say anything! Hmmmmm......

Yes -- keep trying for appointments...the right meds will do wonders...

Yes, he is amazingly kind and patient...I didn't realize just how much until yesterday:)

Isn't it amazing though? You see someone's unique kindness and patience with uncomfortabe, should we say, situations such as this one.....like with the way they might handle communicating to someone that they ramble! Sounds like he did good! Delicately and with sensitivity.....now THAT'S my kind of teacher....

oh my gosh - this is SOOO totally me! thank you I totally relate. :)

Great Cait....yes, Misclee and I are both in school right now and about to finish....!! She seems to have cool teachers like this...I don't think mine do courageous stuff QUITE like this....Do you have any experience? Thanks.

Myself I Call it

Verbal Diarrhea when I start rambling

Its real bad when I get talking about 2 or three different subjects all at the same time to different people

They find it very confusing but it is perfectly normal to me

So always remeber that its the other people that think you are rambling. Its not our fault that they cant keep up to us or understand us.

We should feel sorry for them as they many people who don't have ADD are charter members of the Congenitally Boring.


Really I agree with heathwiz's post 2 or three up from here,

If you want to work within the Box as I call it we have to learn to play by the rules that are dictated and accepted as being socially acceptable (boring as they are GRIN)

I have found that its very helpful to have a friend or two that can pass a signal too me when I start to Babble so that I know that I am Babbling.

Yep, I just got that "deer in the headlights" look from someone I was talking to today and realized I was doing it again.

How can people stand to have their minds work so slow??? There is simply too much to think about!!!

;)

Most of the time if I'm asked a question especially if its technical, whether I know it or not, I just can't get the answer out or if I do - I ramble.

Writing is the same, if I have a lot of information in my head, it will only come out as a sentence :(

Yep, that's what we're talking about. The writing has gotten better for me over time, but the talking part hasn't changed at all.

I can get on a roll and talkandtalkandtalkandtalk and boy can I ramble! I worked with a woman once (for a few years) and we were pals - but I'd try to start telling a story about something that had happened - and you know, EVERY detail was important to me, so I wouldn't want to leave anything out. Well, she would get tired of waiting for my story to come to an end (I am great for going off on tangents! ) so she would start saying to me "EDIT".
Which did hurt my feelings, but it eventually helped me to realize if I wanted people to hear me out, I'd better try to summarize things.

It's still so hard though - once I get on a roll, I love to talk. (othertimes, I can't think of anything to say & I'm really quiet).

My other issue with talking is that I find I am constantly talking out loud to myself. Instead of thinking stuff in my head. Since I started taking the Concerta, I think the "static/noise" in my head has quieted down & I'm actually able to think more in my head than outloud, but I still catch myself occasionally thinking out loud than in my head.

At work, there are always a bunch of people who think I'm funny - just because I'm so expressive, I guess with my communication. How to explain it - very passionate about everything, I guess. Everything's a big deal, or the copier will jam up & I start talking out loud. Or I'm thinking of what to do next, out loud, or whatever. And I get a lot of laughs - they think I'm funny.

And you know, I'm never quite sure how I feel about that - partly I think, well, I'm glad I'm amusing them, rather than irritating them. But honestly, I'm not trying to, and sometimes I feel a little hurt inside that they're laughing at me that way (I know they don't mean to be mean about it at all, I guess if I saw someone like me, I might think they were amusing too). I don't know, I'm not really sure how to feel about it. But who can go through life so unemotional??? How boring.

Well, I think I've rambled on enough here....oh wait - one other thing (lol@me) --writing (someone mentioned that I think) I do prefer to write about my feelings or thoughts more than I do talking about them because I feel like I have to "search" for the right words to say. And it's hard sometimes for me to think on my feet.Although, on the other hand, I don't really LIKE to write - because it takes too long! :)

My name "fasttalkingmom" my give you a hint about me ..lol..
I've found the Wellbutrin I'm taking now has slowed my need to talk so much and so fast. The one thing I didn't like about Ritalin was how I couldn't seem to shut up !!! I've even been asked to shut up !! ....lol...

When I started talking the Wellb. my friends would ask me if I was ok because I was so quiet ....lol...

Without my meds. I have alot of trouble remebering what I was talking about in the middle of a conversation. I felt people thought I was lying, I felt I looked stupid. I still do have this thing that when I'm doing something and trying to say something to my kids, I'll keep saying " Um,Um,Um " I have trouble getting my words out....My daughter will say "Mom speak" ...lol...

Paula

Its neat to see so many common experiences with language. Who "wood a thunk" talking to each other could be such a challenge! Pesonally, I hate dead spaces in a conversation...if the airtime is dead in the conversation, I assume people are bored or don't know what to say --- which is probably accurate. Sometimes I'm talking to someone who is not bored but needs to take time to pause and consider, but that creates dead air time. Anyone else ever run into that? But in general, I jump in too quickly. I'm learning to slow down the reaction time a little.

J

OH yes, that is me exactly. I usually come up with something stupid or redundant to say to fill the space. Sometimes things come out of my mouth and I have NO idea where they came from ....they make no sense...but I said them.

well, my problem is that when I can't think of anything interesting to say, I end up talking about things that are bugging me for some reason. I complain, which I don't really need to do & frankly bugs other people I think. I mean, I don't like to be around people that are downers all the time, I can't be that entertaining.

I think it's partly because my mom was overcritical when I was younger & I learned it from her.

But sometimes, it's just the only thing I can think of to say. Anyone else have this problem?

Yup Cait....when I can't think of anything to say...out comes the negativity and complaining...PRECISELY...why is that I wonder? liek if there's nothing left to say, start being in a crab....better than the silence....

Good question, why is that? Do we run out of things to say and let loose the real person who is dying to be heard above the din of small talk and important talk. The opening comes when the important grown up talk is over, and the small talk smoke screen is gone, and the child says "Finally! It's my turn to be heard now!" and starts telling all the things a child would tell, how lousy their school teacher treated them, how lousy the weather is, etc. But this prompts the next question, why is the child unhappy within and why does the child feel so unheard that it has an urge to emerge as soon as everyone else is silent? I say this complaining is from the child, the injured child who no one listens too, who needs help, and affection and attention. I think listening to the child while alone with one self might be a start, to actually have a dialogue as if two people were talking to each other, the child and the adult, and get to know each other. Then the child would not have such an urge to emerge disgruntled into conversations when it is not appropriate. And then the child would feel recognized and cherished. Then the child might not even be so unhappy. Its just a thought, a creative spontaneous thought. Take it or leave it.

Jon

no i dont think so because if someone actually saw me doing that they would think i was more looney than if i just complained between silences:) oops sorry you say do this while beingalone with oneself? sorry that would freak me out too much.personally i think complaining in silences is about SEVERE discomfort with the other person. i think true friends or people who are really comfortable with each other can tolerate silences. in fact relish them. because then all the words that were said previous to that silence can be absorbed. like nutrients.say to someone I love you. then be silent. you will hear that i love you for a long time.

wow - joan, jon, I really connected with what you two said. And -= wow! I'm not alone! (I was starting to think I was really out there) That's an interesting idea Jon - about it being the "inner child" reaching out. My therapist has said it could be because I'm still looking for validation of my feelings, etc. I'm not always sure what "normal" is. And sometimes I just can't think of anything else to say! (isn't that awful - ewww).

Hey Dan - you may have misunderstood me - I don't complain out loud when I'm alone - (thank goodness) - only when I'm with others (coworkers, friends) and I can't think of anything else to say, but I have an urge to talk. That's what I meant. sometimes empty silences are okay, but other times I have this burning need to "talk" - only I can't always think of things to talk about. And other times I can think of a million things to talk about - speaking of inconsistency! ;)

Wow....good point.....and romantically said TOO:) In fact now that I think about it... when I'm around Dan and other friends I really LIKE, I don't go into complaining mode with silences....I'm actually more willing to let silences be....for as long as they are ....so true....:)

Perhaps it's only when I don't like the company I'm with that puts me in the negative place with silences OR if I suspect they don't like being with ME I get negative...could be....either way.....hmmmmmm....

Who wants to be self employed (part time )

and use what you do the best (talk about ADD)

Help Kids ( let them play )

And make some Money

and get lots of tax write offs

Of course, the urge to not be silent does not happen when the child feels heard by the other person. Also,that is a soul connection, when people can be in silence together and have no problem with that. But what about when there is not a soul connection going on, and people feel compelled to unload their negative feelings, not just their feelings, when its apparently not an appropriate time or person? What is that saying about what is going on inside? Does that person feel heard in their life? When a person is a child, and they get little comfort and attention from the parents or caregivers, what do they do to get the attention they need? Some excel and try to prove they are worthy of attention and love, others de-cellerate, ie, go into negative mode, and say pay attention to me or I will act out. If we find ourselves complaining to people when it is not appropriate, could we be stepping into our old role as children, and using negative to express our need for attention?

We all have a huge encyclopedia of all the roles we ever played, and we use them to the best of our knowledge in every situation. Some roles we don't retire until we find a more effective role to take its place. We pull old roles into the present to handle scenarios we are uncomfortable with until we develop a better response to the situation. What other choice do we have? We are human, and it is human nature to respond, so we respond with what we have. That is why role expansion is necessary, and role awareness is a valuable tool.

Jon

Rarely is severe discomfort about another person. The greatest sign that an issue is brewing underneath and within, is when we have the most discomfort with another person. The situation is important too, because we don't interract with others in a vaccuum, the situation is a crucial element. That is the biggest and most important clue, and the time to say, "what is going on inside of me, what role am I in when I'm with this person, in what situation am I in with this other person, how do I feel about the situation I am in with this other person, at what other times in my life have I been in this role, what other people in my life remind me of this person, who else in my life do I respond to like I respond to this person, who else in my life would I like to respond to this way if I had the courage, who else in my life do I feel this way about, when was the first time I felt this way in my life, how old was I when I felt this way, do I feel capable of or powerless to change my feelings and my role when I'm with this person? Questions like these "de-role" the other person in our minds, and allow us to see the true source of our discomfort. As they say, other people can not make us feel discomfort! Thats why the questions reveal more about oneself when they are directed within, than when we assume external sources are responsible for our discomfort.

Jon

no, people cannot make me feel discomfort but i dont think thats a reaon to overanalyze what the "source" is. i can look at it from a standpoint that they trigger discomfort, TODAY, in my LIFE, and what am i going to do about it TODAY?

today, i am simply going to walk away. now if everybody i met triggered discomfort, sureit might be necesary to look deeper i supose but as an adult i realize i am not going to feel comfortable with everyone and theres nothing wrong with that and it does not require deep analysis (and im not going to feel uncomfortable with everyone either by the way)but if i do feel uncomfortable, i will validate my own discomfort and move on. case in point: in the last 5 weeks i guess, someone wanted to be a friend.i was VERY uncomfortable with it.it was not due to any "past" issue or any "childhood" issue.i just knew this person wasnt worthmy time so acting as adult in tne present, i simply said no and walked away. required nofurther analysis.

I have this problem at work. I work with Civil Engineers as a CAD person. I know my stuff very well, but can I explain things to people, not a chance. I end up showing them how by doing the commands and having them follow along. I wish I wasn't so tongue tied. To make it worse I get so nervous when I speak that my talking speeds up to lightning fast!

Ya know, I gave an oral presentation this week to about 25 senior citizens for a counselling class.....and I think what I am leaning about this issue about talking, presenting etc. in front of people is that it takes times TO GET GOOD...it really does. It takes practice, practice, practice. This stuff is not easy. It is indeed nerve racking to speak in front of people, whether it is a SINGLE person or a hundred people or more.

Perhaps it is a matter of getting a bunch of our friends together and practicing in front of them....speaking in front of them....ya know friends who love and accept us....who will allow us to be imperfect and unsure while we hone our speaking skills.....I think even non-ADDers have this trouble...we just have it TONS more because of the way our brains function.....

but I swear our speaking skills DO get better with time and practiceand confidence. The MORE we do it, the better we get. I did pretty good withmy presentation....by the way....:)

I've done quite alot of public speaking in my career, and yes, in the beginning I was a nervous wreck! Now its much easier for me to do (though I still get a bit nervous from time to time.)

I use visualization of successful outcome and a cue for tasks that are going to make me extremely nervous. I repeat the outcome I intend to myself, visualizing success over and over, until I'm meditating to the vision, then I include instructions to myself to attach a physical cue to the confidence, clarity and positive outcome, such as putting two particular fingers together in a particular pattern, so it is only noticeable to me. Using the cue at the moment of need, brings me back instantly to that sense of well being and I can continue the task with confidence. Its a very helpful tool. I in particular use it when I'm going in to talk about my product and I feel I'm going to be talking to important people. It works for me. There are many books on visualization available at the library for those interested in this method.

Jon

I have a bit of Auditory Processing Disorder so I REALLY need "just the facts" because TMI leaves me confused.

Case in point:

A co-worker called me the other day about scheduling something on my boss's calendar. She went into this loooong high-speed story about what had happened before, this date was good, this date was bad.... By the time I hung up with her, I didn't know which end was up. I had to call her back for clarification. Just tell me what you need, I'm thinking to myself.

Now, I like background information but perhaps I like it a bit more slowly. I guess I'm the one someone referred to earlier in this thread when they said "How can people stand to have their minds work that slowly?" Trust me, it's not a choice. ;)

As far as verbal communication goes, I do MUCH better by writing. I communicate with my boss much better by e-mail when he's on travel.

(New member here...)

Overload: Heh...::chuckle::... ADD and auditory processing disorder aren't exactly the best combination; I can totally associate! I have a hard time listening to fast talkers, but it does not mean that my mind works slowly; far from it, in fact, as I can read things quite voraciously. It's just that the auditory portion of it works really slowly. ;)

As for my own personal conversation style? It's rather odd, really. Quite often I can't think of anything to talk about and, introvert that I am, I'll just sit in the corner thinking silently. When I do stumble upon something I'm interested in discussing, though, I'll ramble about it, sometimes to the point of boring everyone in the vicinity with my obsessiveness...

Not that I'm all that coherent even when I am obsessing, though; I often have situations where the words just don't come out as I intend. They may get scrambled around on the pathway from my brain to my mouth, or I might stumble, unable to remember the word I'm searching for. Add to that the typical ADD stream of consciousness and it's no wonder some people have trouble following what I'm saying!

I have that problem also. I'll have to stop what I'm saying and start again because my mind has already moved on to something else before I'm finished talking about the original subject and it's all trying to come out at once. It's very frustrating. I also have a problem with reading now. As a child, I could really get into a book (hyperfocus) but I can't even finish a book now. I have a hard time even finishing 3 sentences before catching myself looking somewhere else or thinking about something else so I have to start over at the beginning of the paragraph. I'm not even sure how many times I've gotten distracted just trying to type this.
Does anyone else reverse letters or words or numbers while typing/writing? I've noticed that I do that a LOT more over the past couple of years. I'm not on any medication yet, though.

Greg~

Yep, I can relate to everything--my mind moves faster than my mouth...sometimes makes me not want to talk at all. I get frustrated trying to explain something to someone because the ideas are all right there "in front of me" (in my mind, anyway) and I see and understand them all at the same time with no sequence, but anticipating the effort it would take to break them down and put them into words can shut me down so fast....

I have several books I'm reading, most adhd-related, and I find myself jumping around from book to book. I think it's because I know I'll probably get interrupted once I do (hyper)focus on what I'm reading, then I'll get annoyed at whomever or whatever broke my concentration, etc., so I get reluctant to even start.

And yes, I transpose letters and numbers ALL THE TIME--not a good thing to do at my job....

Ooh, yes, I also frequently transpose numbers. I'm reminded of the many times in math class when I did a problem entirely right, but got the wrong answer because I copied down the numbers from the problem incorrectly! :)

Incidentally, anyone else find that you frequently transpose the middle two digits in the last half of a phone number (e.g., misreading 555-1234 as 555-1324)? That seems to be one of the most common mistakes that I make...just curious how everyone else handles it, heh.


As for the whole brain-getting-ahead-of-mouth thing... oh, do I have an anecdote for that. I was a spelling bee geek when I was younger (I still think of myself as one ;)), and I'll never forget what happened in my first county spelling bee. My word in the first round was "referee"... so I step up to the microphone: "Referee. F-E..." Oops.

Originally posted by smooch
I have several books I'm reading, most adhd-related, and I find myself jumping around from book to book. I think it's because I know I'll probably get interrupted once I do (hyper)focus on what I'm reading, then I'll get annoyed at whomever or whatever broke my concentration, etc., so I get reluctant to even start. And yes, I transpose letters and numbers ALL THE TIME

I have 3 books going now....lol... One I can't find ! .....lol.....
At home I'm not "allowed" to write down messages, I never get the # right....lol...


Paula

Yes, it's those last four numbers in a phone number that always seem to trip me up. Also seem to transpose numbers in my checkbook...as if I vigilently keep up with that awful thing...! Actually, I'm trying really hard to stay on top of my checkbook these days, at least with entering every few days all the checks I've written...let's just say I've given the bank a lot of my money because of poor recordkeeping. I don't DARE get one of those debit card thingys--I'd REALLY be up a creek then!

I've always had trouble with "6" and "R" -- I'll be writing a word and put "6" in the place of an "R" or writing a number and put "R" in place of a "6". Very annoying.

Originally posted by smooch
Also seem to transpose numbers in my checkbook...as if I vigilently keep up with that awful thing...! Actually, I'm trying really hard to stay on top of my checkbook these days, at least with entering every few days all the checks I've written...

All I can say here is how much the whole online banking thing has helped this particular ADDer keep things straight...

Originally posted by fasttalkingmom
At home I'm not "allowed" to write down messages, I never get the # right....lol...

Ooh, I'm terrible at copying down phone messages, because I often have a hard time hearing both the name and the number...needless to say, that's usually not a good thing. That's if the person even mentions the name; sometimes I'm not even sure whom it is, but apparently they think I can recognize the voice... :(

Blasted auditory processing...

Originally posted by codeman38


Ooh, I'm terrible at copying down phone messages, because I often have a hard time hearing both the name and the number...needless to say, that's usually not a good thing. That's if the person even mentions the name; sometimes I'm not even sure whom it is, but apparently they think I can recognize the voice... :(

Blasted auditory processing...

I have a phone system (an actual office phone system, not one of those cordless phones that can handle multiple handsets) in my house. It's a Pansonic KXT-30810 that can handle 3 lines and 8 extensions.

I got it (used) for $100 (It's about a 10-year-old system). It works with plain old telephones--I bought it for testing modems since I only have one line, and $100 would only pay for about 3 months of a 2nd line, let alone the $50 install charge.

So if someone calls and wants to leave a message for my room(house)mate, I just transfer them to the extension with the answering machine on it. Kinda like cheap voicemail. Hit flash, dial the extension, hang up.

Hi ya, I'm a newbie!
I have done a lot of lurking and really have wanted to chirp in but I instantly forget what it was I wanted to say. So it is hard for me to converse in forums as they aren't spontaneous enough I guess.
On non-add forums I have written well thought out replys and ideas and usually been ignored, I think it's because I can't do the small talk stuff in writing I usually get to the point?? Unsure. So this time I made a point of saying Hi Ya!
I also mix up the last digits of phone numbers.
And often write "g's" instead of e's especially if the word ends "ine" as my name "Janine" does.
I consider myself on the high end of ADD, (not pro. diagnosed)and have a brain that rambles like a roomfull of brains amplified. I am never bored, I can play board games with myself. Darts etc.. I play seperate individual personalities that I invent for this purpous.
My talking often rambles and I pretty much can talk so fast that I keep up with that particular train of thought. Yet I might branch off in at least twelve sub topics as everything reminds me another equally exciting story, yet luckily at some point I am reminded thru my ramblings of the initial topic and can get back to it as if I never lost it.
I am lucky that I have one non add friend that can follow me completely, I gotta hang on to him! He says he loves the ride and insists that I am a great conversationalist. Go figure, so I get to be me completely what a trip right after another friend goes crazy out of boredom or frustration loss of controll over the conversation!
I too find it irritating when people speak very slow(which is bad enough to me) and then also pause a lot! Arrrghh, I lose my place no matter how hard I am trying. I realize this can be the norm for many. So I keep trying.
I get caught up in words, facial expressions, movements others make and lose track of the conversation. But often times I find out I completely understood them. Or was at least aware of the bottom line from the get go.
Generally speaking Jokes often are embarrasing as I don't laugh at the end. I already laughed in the middle or the begginning as I saw where it was going, and 300 other places it could go. The jokes that get me are totally off the wall! Then I Laugh, big time.
People put up with me amazingly!
Writing this has been hard even though I like writing, as I really couldn't think of what I most wanted to say except the part where I said I always forget what I wanted to say when I want to chirp in on the forum!
I am planning to be diagnosed soon so that I can try meds and perhaps get a glimps of the other side of the coin!
Janing