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Draga
09-11-04, 08:27 AM
Now a days I have been reading up on symptoms of different disorders and since I am ADHD & Bipolar...it feels like I got the most of disorders all in one...Anxiety, reading comprehension, Oppositional Defiant Disorder and if I talk 2 my mother or Doctor they both say the same thing..."Stop finding new disorders for yourself!"


Well ExSqueeze me when this disorder sounds like that disorder cause the symptoms are the same.....it is sooo easy to get it confused and I would hate to find out later on that I am being treated for the wrong disability. Don't get me wrong, I do trust this doctor...He's the best I have ever seen, I have a something I also want to ask him about. Well, I was reading the symptoms of Co-Dendacy....

An exaggerated sense of responsibility for the actions of others.
A tendency to confuse love and pity, with the tendency to “love” people they can pity and rescue.
A tendency to do more than their share, all of the time.
A tendency to become hurt when people don’t recognize their efforts.
An unhealthy dependence on relationships. The co-dependent will do anything to hold on to a relationship; to avoid the feeling of abandonment.
An extreme need for approval and recognition.
A sense of guilt when asserting themselves.
A compelling need to control others.
Lack of trust in self and/or others.
Fear of being abandoned or alone.
Difficulty identifying feelings.
Rigidity/difficulty adjusting to change.
Problems with intimacy/boundaries.
Chronic anger.
Poor communications
Difficulty making decisions.

Now THAT'S Me all over again...But is this the result of a very Bad Past or is this also an ADHD/Bipolar Symptom Combo?

To be honest...the major mistakes in my life and biggest regrets...pretty much when I quit my job without telling anyone and ran off with my exboyfriend cause I loved him (maybe starting to wonder did I ever after reading the list) so much that mine and everyone elses life didn't matter..and I felt terrible when I could not do more for him and it made me scared to be alone...<~~~~ Just A lil venting and moving on but...

How can I tell about the symptoms and my experiences w/o sounding like a hypocondriac...He may start thinking I am eager to find more disablities just so I can stay on SSI in a year..but of course that is not the case...I am exploring my mind to find out what makes me tic and what I can work on...So Far if it is just the ADHD & Bipolar Fine...Meds will work with some but not all...if co-dependancy is a different thing...then I may have something else to work on but I will also know where I stand and what to focus on....

mctavish23
09-11-04, 08:41 AM
There are so many wonderful books on codependency that I know you'll have fun getting into the topic if you choose to look further.The most famous of course is Melody Beattie's Codependent No More.
There is also an excellent recovery book by Ernie Larsen that I like a lot called Stage Two Recovery. One of the things he discusses has to do with the impact of alcohol/chemical dependency on the family. I love the way he describes it by saying : "What you live with is what you learn."
"What you learn is what you practice."
and "What you practice is what you become."

Draga
09-11-04, 08:57 AM
I love the way he describes it by saying : "What you live with is what you learn."
"What you learn is what you practice."
and "What you practice is what you become."

OMG I love that saying! In some cases it is true in terms of what I learned as a child eventually I carried with me into my adulthood without even realizing it (Promiscuosity being the key to acceptance) I learned to fear those who act in violence and...etc...is that pretty much the same thing?

So Codependancy has to do with my past and not a mental chemical embalance? Si?

Draga
09-11-04, 09:00 AM
You know me, Dawlin..;) I would love to go into this more..:)I would like to know about what I am talking about going into the office n talking about this.

Trooper Keith
09-11-04, 01:55 PM
Self-Diagnosis is the most dangerous thing you can do, especially considering the "self-fulfilling prophecy" phenomena...I avoid reading about new disorders, etc. except when I need to, and I disregard suggestions that I have something else: I know I have ADHD, and probably some other anxiety problems, but I don't bring it up unless it concerns me...

First year Psychology students almost always assume automatically that they have any disorder they read. It's very simple to find the symptoms of disorders and apply them to ourselves, and not difficult to make it fit. So I would trust your doctor and his diagnostic ability, and leave it go...

Draga
09-11-04, 02:04 PM
Oh, I do trust him... I know he is a pro..but I have talked about my past to him but never in depth..I think I may open up a little more and see what he has to say...I just really want answers and if I expect to make myself better...I have to know.

Coral Rhedd
02-07-05, 02:11 PM
Self-Diagnosis is the most dangerous thing you can do, especially considering the "self-fulfilling prophecy" phenomena...I avoid reading about new disorders, etc. except when I need to, and I disregard suggestions that I have something else: I know I have ADHD, and probably some other anxiety problems, but I don't bring it up unless it concerns me...

First year Psychology students almost always assume automatically that they have any disorder they read. It's very simple to find the symptoms of disorders and apply them to ourselves, and not difficult to make it fit. So I would trust your doctor and his diagnostic ability, and leave it go...
Can't remember who said the unexamined life was not worth living but he said a mouth full. People not only have a right but an obligation to themselves to educate themselves on all matters concerning their health. Can this lead to self-diagnosis. Sometimes. But why is that such a bad thing?

I believe it is important that people empower themselves to be as involved as possible in the treatment of their illness. One person I know says that you never recover from mental illness until "you get back everything you gave away." Thinking for yourself and questioning your treatment, requiring a treatment plan, and requiring that you have substantial input into that treatment plan, negotiating with health care providers, being assertive in acquiring needed benefits, and speaking up are all characteristics of wellness.


To Mellie:

About SSI: Bipolar Disorder as it affects your activities of daily living and your employability is the deciding factor. If you have a disability review, you may meet a combative prosecutorial doc who wants to prove that if you can function at home you can function on the job. But confirming again a diagnosis of Bipolar Disorder will go a long ways toward keeping your benefits. Most docs are interested in confirming or rejecting the original diagnosis that qualified you for benefits in the first place. They won't care much whether or not other other diagnoses are added to the Bipolar Disorder but only whether or not the Bipolar Disorder in contradicted.

I like your spirit Mellie. You show a real commitment to improving your life and taking responsibility for the treatment of your illness. Whether or not you continue to get SSI is probably very much in your hands. Educate yourself as to how the system works and you will be quite enlightened. :D You got these benefits for a reason. You have a right to them and you probably qualify for other benefits you don't even know about. Accepting available help is the right road to wellness. Don't let anyone make you paranoid about it or guilt trip you about it.

PM me if you have any questions. ;)

Denise
02-14-05, 09:44 PM
Draga,
I have the same thing the more I look the more things apply. My bacis main things that I think all stems from is getting sad at the drop of a hat, that meas I see or hear something sad and it is overwhelming to me and it is simply silly and non rationa yet I can not control it. I cry when my husband is gome for seveal days or weeks at a time b/c of his job. And it wears me out and is just plain old silly. So I look around to see what is wron with me. Then I have the memory and the brain size of a turkey, ( a Pea). It is just hard to deal with with with out kowing why so I totally relate to your looking around to just understand yourself.

Draga
02-15-05, 12:30 AM
Oh Man I am the same way...I cant watch news cause there is always a story that is going to have me bawlin....I cry when there is sad parts in movies....sometimes for no reason @ all....just highly emotional and when things just get over whelming for me...Yikes just walk away before my head start spinning :eek:

ADDitives
03-08-05, 11:19 AM
someone said to me today "stop trying to find things wrong with you!"

but its not what im doing, its that im trying to untangle this big mess of a ball of string to understand why i do things and why i am certain ways.

Draga
03-08-05, 01:03 PM
OMG I know exactly what you mean....I been trying to do the same thing and always hearing the same things.

Digitl
03-08-05, 01:36 PM
OMG I love that saying! In some cases it is true in terms of what I learned as a child eventually I carried with me into my adulthood without even realizing it (Promiscuosity being the key to acceptance) I learned to fear those who act in violence and...etc...is that pretty much the same thing?

So Codependancy has to do with my past and not a mental chemical embalance? Si?
I know that i had co-dependecy issues in the past. I went to a few 12 steps program for that. It was for me , a big relief , because i finally knew i was not totally crazy, because everyone was telling me, how can you accept this or that??
How come you are staying with this person,,,? Cant you see their are ruining your life and health?
NO , i did not see that when i was into that pattern.
After a lot of soul searching i realize i was like that as long as i can remember, with my sister and brother well actually my whole family. At 3 yrs old , i took a chair go up on it, and slap my uncle on the cheek because he called my dad Fat. I wanted to protect everyone from bad, and i was called a wild child because i wanted to protect, but you dont understand at that age those little nuances of words. My uncle was joking , to me then, he was hurting my dad. I could not have my sibling out of sight. But again is it due because my mom was blind, and i was afraid that she could not take care of them...??
Who knows why, i think today that co-dependancy as to do a lot with your self=esteem. Personally now i could never accept the kind of relationship i had in the past. I know i am much stronger , because i know my weakness and what i have to look out for, not to start getting into that pattern again.
It was hell for me...today i feel so great Draga,,,it is possible to get out of the pattern.
Maybe i did not make a lot of sense LOL..but if you have any question i will be happy to answer them as best as i can. :)

Draga
03-08-05, 01:42 PM
I seen the 12 step fpr co-dependancy on official website....it the same as one for A.A.

Digitl
03-08-05, 01:55 PM
I seen the 12 step fpr co-dependancy on official website....it the same as one for A.A.
yup, i am not into that kind of stuff to be honest with you.. The preachy kind of get on my nerve. Plus i cant shut the darn up LOL...
But i have learned many things just by reading about it , and actually go and sit thrue about 6 or 7 meetings. I know now i have not have any pattern coming back. I am able to make the difference between lust and love. And to ask myself a few question when i meet someone. And yes i do stay on my toe and not let myself go in it, like i use to. ANd it's ok, to take your time, eventho sometimes the tougt of kidnapping a guy and ..... well you know me right lOL...:D

KnittingJunkie
03-10-05, 09:41 PM
Well, as a psych veteran, I'd figure you're familiar with the DSM-IV.

When you actually get down to looking at one of those suckers, you might note that pretty much everyone you know has characteristics that apply to at least one disorder, and probably find yourself going, "Holy....how much stuff is wrong with me?"

Happens all the time with psych stuff. That's why its such a frustrating field of medicine/science/etc. It's a mystery--all the stuff is intertwined.

And KMiller is right--all med students are generally convinced at one time or another that they're terminally ill with something.:rolleyes: Same goes with psych students...

Chrys

exeter
03-11-05, 02:48 PM
Oh, yes, I think I might have even made up side effects in my mind for some of the medications I'm taking. :D "Medical student disease" is pretty common. :) Fortunately, my doctors and my therapist have been great, so I don't need to diagnose myself. My therapist, especially, isn't much concerned with diagnosis. He'd rather spend his energy helping me rather than digging through the book looking for the right diagnostic code.

Draga
03-11-05, 04:15 PM
LOL sometimes I am so thurough on Dexadrine You'd swear I was MONK :o:eek:

KnittingJunkie
03-13-05, 03:50 AM
Man.... I should be thorough on some Xanax right now. I must sleep. Yet, I have so much homework and my brain ain't workin well enough to write it in a way that makes sense!

The stress, it kills. It kills!:eek:

Chrys

Draga
03-13-05, 06:28 AM
Key is to not let stress kill kill and just chill chill

KnittingJunkie
03-13-05, 06:00 PM
I know, dear, but for one class, I'm supposed to write a 10 page paper centered around the textbooks for that class...and I hate the textbooks--they are utterly horrid. So there's not much motivation, and it's hard to really understand how to compose a paper with books I can't comprehend or am simply so disinterested in (due to style of writing, primarily) that I have very little ability to pay attention to the content. Ugh.

That's more of an internal conflict, though. Maybe you can stick your two cents in...I've probably created some need for you to consider the issue I am worried about before, since you mod one of my favorite forums...:p

Chrys

KnittingJunkie
03-15-05, 03:27 AM
I'm fine. Gotta think like an existentialist, and quit with the Existential guilt. (Existential guilt is when you either consciously or unconsciously ignore your ability to make independent choices. It's a key part of Existential therapy.)

Speaking of therapy, a thought came to mind, maybe a tip or a little "remember" thing--thought I remembered seeing something about your therapy being kind of ineffective somewhere, it was a post about how to fire your therapist. So I thought, hey, this could be good. (And quite fitting for a counseling forum, anyway.) It occurred to me that McTavish might actually get something out of this too if he reads it, so there's a bonus.

I was thinking about, well, the counseling forum in general, and doing a paper, (or trying) and I remembered a thesis I wrote two terms ago, and laughed my *** off at the central concept I based it on. Kind of cheered me up on the subject of school in general. It was a paper about types of therapy used in counseling. (Note that types, styles, and theories are used somewhat synonymously here.)
Integrative practice means that you, as the therapist, basically morph around from type to type (humanistic/existential/behavior mod/etc) of therapy depending on the case, on what each client's individual needs demand and what they would benefit most from, or if you focus on one kind of therapy and don't ever want to do another, you refer someone who needs another kind. That may not have made sense and likely bored the heck out of you, sorry.

Anyway, in the thesis, I'm arguing that one type of therapy can't be used on everyone, either completely different cases or nearly identical ones depending on one personal trait that might be different. I think one of the comments was like "if therapists threw ethics and logic out the window, we'd use hardcore Behavior therapy on anxious grieving widows and Existential therapy on hardcore criminals, and then we'd all be up a creek!" :D Something like that. It's on my parents' hard drive at the moment. (Slight error between "stick an extra copy on the disk" and "put the whole damn thing on the disk and take it out of this computer." Ughhhh.) Anyway, rambling...

'Course, I'm not a therapist yet, but at the time I was completely focused on Existentialism and it made me realize that even stuff that seems obvious for Existential therapy (crisis relief, grief support, many things) couldn't always be helped by Existential practice.

Are you still with me? Hopefully.

It was sort of humorous, but wasn't entirely meant to be funny, I just used criminals and grieving widows to illustrate a dramatic difference...but the point of the thesis was discussing the downfalls of certain therapies--when they should NOT be used, and why...like, for example, newly-widowed grandmothers in psych boot camp (so to speak), and criminals freely exploring their emotional issues and seeking personal growth! Yeah...think that sounds like a great idea? Whole point of the paper was to switch the two--for example, Existential therapy can help immensely in crisis situations, like grieving a loved one's death, and Behavior mod therapy can help criminals do some serious cognitive restructuring. Thus, even though I like liberal, humanistic theories the best, I know they don't work well for everyone. Is that making any sense, Mel, in the importance of matching therapy-type-to-problem-in-consideration-of-each-person?

Basically, it's about thinking about each individual person in each situation, even if the situations seem similar. There are even similarities in some therapies--like one in CBT and one in Person-Centered--they're both about accepting and understanding yourself and coming to grips with your self-worth, you know, important stuff for depression and anxiety. You'd probably really be into a principle (ok, lots of 'em) of Feminist theory, which is basically about redefining what mental illness is, but then if you look at Feminist, Rogerian, Gestalt, Existential, Behavior mod...dude, a lot of them, all have some sort of stress-coping aspect, but the best one to use depends on what will work best for a particular person's anxiety depending on the root of it and the situation surrounding present-day struggles with anxiety.

The whole thing is that there are a ton of therapies and they weave into a web, and a therapist can never assume one is right for everyone with a certain problem, though each is famous for its percentage-based success with particular issues. All depends on the person. You have to figure out what's best for you before you hook onto an independent journey or an educational teaching-tool based thing or even the traditional lay-on-the-couch style.

It's complicated but it's worth it.

I wish I'd known all that when I was therapy shopping a few years back. Would've saved a heck of a lot of money. :rolleyes:

Chrys