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CrushCrush
09-16-11, 05:11 PM
Hey there,

I have all the classic ADHD-PI symtoms. I would like a psyc that will prescribe me Adderall XR.

After a lot of careful research, I do not want to take Ritalin for treatment. My brain is in a huge fog, I have no energy, i'm 60lbs overweight, unemployed, and pretty much 'rock bottom' at this stage in my life and need that 'wow' factor in my life. I hope you guys can understand.

I am paying out of pocket for everything so can't afford to waste time and money on anything else but Adderall XR and a proper treatment. I hope you guys can sympathise with me that have already been down the routes of other meds. I'm in too much of a deep hole now to be wasting time on 'half measures' if that makes sense.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.. I'm at rock bottom in my life.

I need a doc anywhere in Ontario that will prescribe me Adderall after diagnosis the first time. Feel free to PM. I'm desperate.

Oxycodone
09-16-11, 06:13 PM
Some of the family doctors prescribe it but you can't get any feedback from them, like, if you feel tired after taking the dose or experience any sort of problems and ask them what's wrong they won't know.

What you need is a diagnosis. Once a psychiatrist has set a diagnosis, even if he/she formerly refuses to prescribe you Adderall, you can exit his/her office and go to your family doctor. Your family doctor will prescribe you Adderall based on that diagnosis. Do note however that if you start being a problem to them in any way, they cut you off. It is best however to get your prescription from the psychiatrist who diagnosed you.

What I personally did was I said ok, I know there's many drugs out there, I want to try all of them over a period of 1 month so the doctor gave me 6 different prescriptions, 5 pills each. One month later after trying all the drugs I came back and said I want Adderall. Going there and asking for Adderall precisely without even having a diagnosis would raise some eyebrows.

sarahsweets
09-16-11, 07:39 PM
Crush : if you find a doctor that will prescribe you adderall right away upon your request he might not be a good doctor. Asking for adderall instead of working with a doctor can make doctors suspicious.

Canuck223
09-16-11, 08:35 PM
Crush : if you find a doctor that will prescribe you adderall right away upon your request he might not be a good doctor. Asking for adderall instead of working with a doctor can make doctors suspicious.

Yeppers.

To the OP, sorry to repeat myself, but if you can't start with your family doctor, you really need to ask yourself why?

If you're not confident enough to tell your own doctor the truth and ask for help, but will seek out a pill pusher instead, please cut out the middleman.

Just buy your meds on the street and be done with it.

I have sympathy for people with legitimate issues being dicked around by bad or uncaring doctors. I don't have a whole lot of patience for folks who appear to be looking for a shady RX.

Which one are you again?

CrushCrush
09-16-11, 09:17 PM
It is best however to get your prescription from the psychiatrist who diagnosed you.

I had legit allergies once, and my doctor said 'don't take Sedafed for more than 3 days!!' and he also believes in drug company conspires so he's definitely the wrong person to go to.

What I personally did was I said ok, I know there's many drugs out there, I want to try all of them over a period of 1 month so the doctor gave me 6 different prescriptions, 5 pills each.

Ok. Could you PM me or tell me who your psyc is? I'll do the same as you. I'll drive wherever I have to. Any city. I'll pay whatever I have to. I like your psyc a LOT of that's what he's doing.

I was reading the one review for another psyc.. he pretty much will not allow you to talk and take what he feels you need and not even want to hear your feedback.

One month later after trying all the drugs I came back and said I want Adderall.

Yes that doesn't surprise me that's what I'll likely want also. I keep reading it's the one that 'works'.

Going there and asking for Adderall precisely without even having a diagnosis would raise some eyebrows.

I'm confident I'll get a diagnosis although I don't have my 'ace in the hole' report cards.. that would be a case closed. I just don't want him to be a politician more than a doctor who is serious about treating me. I don't want to be a vicitim of his little hand ups and am trying my best to avoid that.

If I spend a $1000 for diagnosis and he wants to give me children's meds or won't prescribe Adderall due to his little hang-ups, then I might lose my temper and I've VERY much trying to avoid this situation so need to find a real doctor who understands I need treatment and I'm not kidding around. My life is a mess right now.

We have a new daughter and if I don't get back on my feet, lose weight, and get my 'mind' back out of this fog, then we'll lose our house in a year.

CrushCrush
09-16-11, 09:22 PM
Crush : if you find a doctor that will prescribe you adderall right away upon your request he might not be a good doctor. Asking for adderall instead of working with a doctor can make doctors suspicious.

That's not what I'm reading elsewhere.

If I was a kid in highschool or college having trouble with my grades that's one thing.

But you know my motivational/failure issues by now I guess and I'm not in that type of candidate for childs medication.

I'm an overweight adult that needs to turn his life around completely. I have LDL Cholestoral (as Berkley show happens to untreated adult ADHD starting at 27). I need to lose weight. My brain is in a fog. I missed a paycheck at my last job and never even noticed. That's how forgetful I am and out of it I am.

To me, it's a very serious issue. To the doctor, I don't want his petty addiction politics to be a road block.

I'm very frustrated right now. God I just wish I lived in the US. (specifically Florida or Texas).

CrushCrush
09-16-11, 09:26 PM
I don't have a whole lot of patience for folks who appear to be looking for a shady RX.

Which one are you again?

Oh look everyone.

Because I want to get TREATED with the NUMBER 1 DISCUSSED DRUG ON THIS SITE, I'M NOW A FAKER LOOKING TO GET HIGH!

What do you need me to do? Walk a mile? Suffer? Play petty Canadian socialist games?

No. I need TREATMENT like EVERYONE else here to fix my life and you want to hate on me and accuse me of getting street drugs.

Thanks a lot for the support.

Oxycodone
09-16-11, 09:31 PM
''Ok. Could you PM me or tell me who your psyc is?'' That's like asking me for my social insurance number. It's confidential lol. Your family doctor must know though.

CrushCrush
09-16-11, 09:55 PM
''Ok. Could you PM me or tell me who your psyc is?'' That's like asking me for my social insurance number. It's confidential lol. Your family doctor must know though.

No it's not.

Thanks for helping out...

pechemignonne
09-16-11, 10:16 PM
People don't have to give you their psych's phone number, CrushCrush. It *is* personal.

As for your fixation on Adderall, people are giving you good advice. Let your doctor prescribe you the meds. No matter what you do, (and I know that you don't believe me so I'm probably wasting my breath), your problems are not going to go away the second the Adderall enters your system. It might not work for you, you will probably have to titrate, and you also seem to be ignoring all the other stuff that is part of treatment.

If you walk into a doctor's office asking for Adderall, you will not get it. So, chillax. Get your diagnosis. Try whatever med your doc starts you on. I know you want to get better yesterday, but there is no quick fix here. Everybody has to go through the process of evaluation and trying out meds and adjusting to them.

Also, stop it with the "I hate Canada" stuff. You're not the only member from Canada on the forums, and some of us kind of like it here.

As for people not helping you, what you don't seem to recognize is that all that anyone has been doing is trying to help you on these forums. You just don't want their help, you want to be right and to figure it out yourself and to reinvent the wheel. People are offering you the wisdom of their experience and you are insulting them because you think you know better.

As my bf would say, "Trying to help someone who doesn't want to be helped is as good a use of your time as trying to herd cats."

Oxycodone
09-16-11, 10:26 PM
Your writing style betrays your emotions and state of mind. Using full caps shows a mix of energy, determination, ambition and anger. Your text style portrays you as a clear thinking man writing his posts very fast and still managing to be coherent and make perfect sense. I am not a doctor but I fail to see the brain fogged CrushCrush, lacking energy and focus. Your lack seems to be elsewhere and your topic title gives us some clues about where that might be. In fact, your focus is so good that you managed to get used to the forum and get 25 posts per day since September 06 2011. I may be bad at reading myself but I couldn't even figure out the ''Add Reply'' button hours after I registered. Did I miss something?

namazu
09-16-11, 10:59 PM
After a lot of careful research, I do not want to take Ritalin for treatment. [...]
I am paying out of pocket for everything so can't afford to waste time and money on anything else but Adderall XR and a proper treatment.
Hi CrushCrush,

Why do you feel Adderall XR will work better than Ritalin? [Edited to add: Ritalin/methylphenidate is no more a "child's medication" than Adderall. Both are used to treat adults with ADHD.]

At the moment, I am unaware of any good evidence that one type of stimulant has any big advantage over another for treating any subtype of ADHD.

Medication response tends to be fairly hit-or-miss and hard to predict on the individual level. If you have family members with similar symptoms and comorbidities who've had luck (or troublesome side effects) with a particular drug, that may provide some hints, but even then, it's not a sure thing.

Keep an open mind about meds (and other strategies) -- you may find that something unexpected turns out to work wonders for you.

Good luck with the dx process and treatment!

ginniebean
09-16-11, 11:02 PM
adhd-PI oh I think you need to look again.. Try C

CrushCrush
09-16-11, 11:06 PM
Why do you feel Adderall XR will work better than Ritalin?

Wow.

Anyhow if someone wans to help someone that really has ADHD and a messed up life, then pleaes PM a doctor that won't waste my time.

At his point I'm willing to travel anywhere in Canada and will pay whatever to get a real doctor that understands the illness.

And no, doctors are not a personal thing for people who want to HELP other people get their life together. I would never do the same to anyone else who came with the same symptoms begging for help.

And yes, I had someone who REALLY suffers from ADHD (not someoen with an HONORS ROLL) who PM'd me their doctor because they UNDERSTAND and have been int he same place.

So please don't accuse me of wanting a cheap recreational fix of fun drugs.

I want my life together and to raise my 2 month old daughter properly.

If anything, I'm the one skeptical of YOU if you know a real doctor and won't refer to someone who needs help.

namazu
09-16-11, 11:15 PM
Wow.
OK...were you going to answer the question? I really don't understand. I mean -- I understand wanting to get treated, pronto. I just don't understand why you think Adderall, and only Adderall, is the solution.
(FWIW, Adderall did basically nothing for me, though I had high hopes.)

ginniebean
09-16-11, 11:16 PM
CC call your local CHADD office and ask them for ADHD friendly docs. They will have no problem giving you a list.

:)

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09-16-11, 11:16 PM
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pechemignonne
09-17-11, 12:03 AM
Wow.

Anyhow if someone wans to help someone that really has ADHD and a messed up life, then pleaes PM a doctor that won't waste my time.

At his point I'm willing to travel anywhere in Canada and will pay whatever to get a real doctor that understands the illness.

And no, doctors are not a personal thing for people who want to HELP other people get their life together. I would never do the same to anyone else who came with the same symptoms begging for help.

And yes, I had someone who REALLY suffers from ADHD (not someoen with an HONORS ROLL) who PM'd me their doctor because they UNDERSTAND and have been int he same place.

So please don't accuse me of wanting a cheap recreational fix of fun drugs.

I want my life together and to raise my 2 month old daughter properly.

If anything, I'm the one skeptical of YOU if you know a real doctor and won't refer to someone who needs help.
The title of the thread and the content of your post easily raises red flags. I just happen to know that you aren't just looking for drugs because I've read all your other posts and you seem to me to be an ADHD-C poster child. But if this was the first time I was reading one of your posts, I would be skeptical too.

Have you contacted CHADD?

I can give you the name of the guy I saw, but I don't see how you're going to be able to see someone outside of your province. Moreover, I don't see why you would need to. There have to be good people in Ontario. CHADD can help you find them.

I wouldn't ask for a doctor that prescribes Adderall, though.

CrushCrush
09-17-11, 03:45 AM
I can give you the name of the guy I saw,

You already did and was the first person to offer help. For an outsider is $700 diagnosis but it scares me that they are part of a Montreal hospital and such and may have social/funding motives rather than prescribing medation for adult patients that they need.

but I don't see how you're going to be able to see someone outside of your province.

I think I can if they are private. When it comes to treating ADHD, the main thing that improves the sufferer is prescription medication (that's factual and not something I made up). It's not coping strategies, it's not CBT. It's medication. It's a game of medication. If a doctor has 'issues' or different motives than my health and is not open to certain medications, then I don't want to spend $700-$1200 on a psyc who doesn't understand ADHD. So I assume that any out of province doctor charging me privately can prescribe me what they want I guess.

Anyone who understands the illness, understands that the most effective medication for *adults*, especially in my situation is Adderall and it's why it is the number 1 discussed medication on this forum. If they are the exception, than that's ok for them. I like to focus on majority and probability. There's a reason 'everyone is taking Adderall' and it's not because it doesn't work.

Moreover, I don't see why you would need to.

I wouldn't need to if I wanted to get the same experience you got. I wouldn't need to in order to get prescribed childrens medication or Concerta. You are working and an honors roll student... maybe you just need to focus more at your desk at work or something and your happy with that. I'm more in your BF category of underachievement and 'stuck'. I'm also 65lb overweight. Today I did't even shower. I stayed bed so long I just brushed my teeth, ate, and now back in bed. That is very, very rare for me. I do it maybe once a year. In the last couple of months I've done it twice. Just now I made my wife some microwave soup and accidently put it in the microwave for 20 seconds instead of 2 min. That's how bad my brain is turned to mush and fog.

There have to be good people in Ontario. CHADD can help you find them.

Everything here is a game. This is not the US 'your body your choice' sort of mentality. Finding someone to properly treat an Adult with adhd is going to be very challenging. I go to a members site and they have articles on 'prescription drug abuse'. It's like.. there's NO WAY I'm going to deal with you guys as you are siding on gov't media spin rather than patients.

When I find the doctor that prescribes me Adderall, I'll share the info with who needs it how I got it, who prescribed it, and how long it took me to 'play their game' of trying to get it. I'm expecting it off the bat considering my circumstances. If they decide the prescribe my Concerta (which I may not even bother filling the rx), then I seriously, seriously have to question their talent as a doctor. I did get PM'd another referal and am going to see a doctor here in Toronto. I'm risking a lot of money on this that we're treating as an 'investement'. I have to 'get treated' this year and begin my new life or next year I'll be posting from the basement of my inlaws house.

Here's another typical feeback I just read right now:

Tried Concerta. Didn't work.
Tried Strattera. Nothing.
Tried Wellbutrin. Made me ANGRY...
Eventually switched to Adderall. MUCH better.

I'm trying to avoid the year of 'playing games' and just get right to the Adderall. I don't have the time and money for social games from our doctors.

sarahsweets
09-17-11, 07:26 AM
Going through proper diagnosis to get the right medication for you that may or may not be adderall does not involve playing a game it involves keeping an open mind. The paranoia you seem to have about canada and doctors may make it difficult for you to get the care you want.

selita
09-17-11, 08:51 AM
I wouldn't need to if I wanted to get the same experience you got. I wouldn't need to in order to get prescribed childrens medication or Concerta. You are working and an honors roll student... maybe you just need to focus more at your desk at work or something and your happy with that. I'm more in your BF category of underachievement and 'stuck'. I'm also 65lb overweight. Today I did't even shower. I stayed bed so long I just brushed my teeth, ate, and now back in bed. That is very, very rare for me. I do it maybe once a year. In the last couple of months I've done it twice. Just now I made my wife some microwave soup and accidently put it in the microwave for 20 seconds instead of 2 min. That's how bad my brain is turned to mush and fog.

Listen, to be absolutely honest, that sounds more like depression or the exhaustion of dealing with a baby. I have never known a new parent who wasn't completely out of it. Not saying the ADD isn't making it worse, but cut yourself some slack.

In that state, no matter what you're prescribed (despite a major preference for Adderall, I really do believe that Mph is just as effective for most symptoms for most people) ... be very cautious of the dosage. Adderall will burn you out fast if you overdo it or use it as a "pep" pill. Mph is not as much of a kick in the pants, but it really does relieve symptoms.

(If Adderall ends up being out of the question, and offered Concerta, ask about Biphentin. Personally, I preferred it, and it costs a little less. I would say avoid Strattera and Vyvanse. Wellbutrin might do you some good.)

Don't go looking for a diet pill. It suppresses appetite, sure. But it's very likely to trigger binges at night. The people I know who have the worst time losing weight are those who skip meals. While I lost weight on it, I lost a lot more weight before I ever took it. Less starch (less, not none), less sugar (esp. soda), less deep-fried food, more vegetables (every meal), more walking. That's all.

Adderall does nothing positive for my eating habits. It just makes me forget breakfast, which tanks my blood sugar and ruins the day, or makes me grumpy about cooking.

There's also that old saying, "Pills don't teach skills." None of these are slam-dunk miracle pills. You probably know this, but you're still going to have to work for it.

pechemignonne
09-17-11, 10:45 AM
You already did and was the first person to offer help. For an outsider is $700 diagnosis but it scares me that they are part of a Montreal hospital and such and may have poltical/social/funding motives rather than prescribing medation for adult patients that they need.

I think I can if they are private. When it comes to treating ADHD, the main thing that improves the sufferer is prescription medication (that's factual and not something I made up). It's not coping strategies, it's not CBT. It's medication. It's a game of medication. If a doctor has 'issues' or different motives than my health and is not open to certain medications, then I don't want to spend $700-$1200 on a psyc who doesn't understand ADHD. So I assume that any out of province doctor charging me privately can prescribe me what they want I guess.
I don't think that if you go to someone who specializes in adult ADHD they would be reticent to prescribe ADHD meds, or to write a letter to your doctor recommending them (which was what happened for me). I don't know where you got this idea. Generally, specialists in the field are very aware of the importance of meds as part of the treatement plan. Certainly the psych I saw had no qualms about it, even though he had only seen me for a screening and I hadn't even gone though the evaluation yet.

Anyone who understands the illness, understands that the most effective medication for *adults*, especially in my situation is Adderall and it's why it is the number 1 discussed medication on this forum. If they are the exception, than that's ok for them. I like to focus on majority and probability. There's a reason 'everyone is taking Adderall' and it's not because it doesn't work.
Sure, but other medication may also work for you, and Adderall might not. You don't know.

I wouldn't need to if I wanted to get the same experience you got. I wouldn't need to in order to get prescribed childrens medication or Concerta. You are working and an honors roll student... maybe you just need to focus more at your desk at work or something and your happy with that.
Whoa there, tiger. Ritalin is not "children's medication". Taking Ritalin or Concerta vs Adderall has nothing to do with the severity of your current impairments. I have also told you that unlike you, my ADHD has gotten me fired several times. And my current situation, FYI is that I am on probation at my work, I *am* "overweight", I can't organize myself to have my lunch and clean clothes on a workday on a regular basis, and I frequently don't have/forgot to buy/forgot to take at least one of the medications I need for my physical and mental health issues. And you have seen pictures of my apartment.

So be careful about making an assumption that I am doing so well and probably just need "kiddie meds" just because I currently am employed.

I agree but Peche you know we live in very political, very unionized, kangaroo country. Everything here is a game. This is not the US 'your body your choice' sort of mentality.
No, I don't know that, and I don't see how it's relevant, but for the record, as far as I'm concerned, you couldn't pay me a million dollars to move to the US. No insult to Americans, I just have a very "Canadian" mentality I guess, and I probably wouldn't fit in very well. I like it here better, for me.

I really don't want to get into a debate that will derail the thread, but suffice to say that not all Canadians agree with your evaluation of our country, or your opinion that the US is superior.

Finding someone to properly treat an Adult with adhd is going to be very challenging. I go to a members site and they have articles on 'prescription drug abuse'. It's like.. there's NO WAY I'm going to deal with you guys as you are siding on gov't media spin rather than patients.
Umm... how is cautioning against prescription drug abuse any indication that they won't prescribe medications to someone who legitimately has ADHD and plans on using it according to their doctor's recommendation?

You know, CC, you have moments when you talk about Canada and drug companies when you sound really, really paranoid. I would recommend that you bring these fears up with whoever evaluates you.

When I find the doctor that prescribes me Adderall, I'll share the info with who needs it how I got it, who prescribed it, and how long it took me to 'play their game' of trying to get it. I'm expecting it off the bat considering my circumstances. If they decide the prescribe my Concerta (which I may not even bother filling the rx), then I seriously, seriously have to question their talent as a doctor.
You would be mistaken to do so. I have heard from people on the boards who were prescribed Concerta off the bat from doctors that they consider to be very competent. If the Concerta doesn't work for you, a competent doctor would then probably move on to Adderall. But if you dismiss a doctor just because they don't immediately give you the medication that *you* think is best for you, I agree, you will have trouble getting the help you need.

But I think that the trouble will come from your own way of approaching the evaluation, not just from the options themselves, which are already limited.

I don't think of getting an ADHD evaluation as "playing a game". If you find a competent and informed doctor, then all you have to do is be honest.

Canuck223
09-17-11, 11:34 AM
Oh look everyone.

Because I want to get TREATED with the NUMBER 1 DISCUSSED DRUG ON THIS SITE, I'M NOW A FAKER LOOKING TO GET HIGH!

What do you need me to do? Walk a mile? Suffer? Play petty Canadian socialist games?

No. I need TREATMENT like EVERYONE else here to fix my life and you want to hate on me and accuse me of getting street drugs.

Thanks a lot for the support.

There has been a lot of vowels exchanged in this thread, but I'm struck with a few key observations.

1) Talking to your own doctor is something you seem to want to avoid.
2) You seem more interested in a short cut than a proper diagnosis and follow-up.
3) The hurdles you seem to think are in your way seem to be mostly in the seat of your own pants. The process begins with you getting off your butt and calling for an appointment, not scouring the internet looking for a pill doctor.

I'm not trying to "hate on you', but my tolerance for drama queen behavior is pretty thin. You are getting the advice you need to hear. If you want help, get off your butt and call your doctor.

If your doctor either can't or won't help you, insist on a referal to someone who will.

As for meds, let me tell you a little secret. In Canada for adults, you are going to find many doctors more comfortable prescribing Adderall XR or Vyvanse than ritalin or dexadrine. They seem more comfortable prescribing the long duration meds to adults to try and control abuse. The guidelines seem to reserve ritaline and dexadrine to people who need cheaper drugs for financial reasons, or who's schedule needs more flexability.

pechemignonne
09-17-11, 11:53 AM
There has been a lot of vowels exchanged in this thread, but I'm struck with a few key observations.(...)As for meds, let me tell you a little secret. In Canada for adults, you are going to find many doctors more comfortable prescribing Adderall XR or Vyvanse than ritalin or dexadrine. They seem more comfortable prescribing the long duration meds to adults to try and control abuse. The guidelines seem to reserve ritaline and dexadrine to people who need cheaper drugs for financial reasons, or who's schedule needs more flexability.
I would agree with everything you said, although in my case the Ritalin was prescribed more as a trial of ADHD meds in general. My doctor told me when she prescribed it that I should take note of the effects and that we would probably switch to Adderall later.

Canuck223
09-17-11, 12:11 PM
I would agree with everything you said, although in my case the Ritalin was prescribed more as a trial of ADHD meds in general. My doctor told me when she prescribed it that I should take note of the effects and that we would probably switch to Adderall later.

My own doctor is not resistant to an ADHD diagnosis in adults, but she is cautious. However, when she does agree that the diagnosis is appropriate, she finds her patients respond best with Adderall XR. She seems to find they complain of fewer side effects and an ease of onset and end of the drugs effects.

I had said in my initial visit that I was hessitant to try ritalin as I'd heard most of the negative drug responses in kids associated with it. If I hadn't said that, I don't know if she'd have gone for it first.

CrushCrush
09-17-11, 03:08 PM
Going through proper diagnosis to get the right medication for you that may or may not be adderall does not involve playing a game it involves keeping an open mind. The paranoia you seem to have about canada and doctors may make it difficult for you to get the care you want.

I highly, highly suggest you move here and have an experience with our medical system. You are really scraping at the bottom dealing with most Canadian doctors. I can give stories but I'll be here all day. The level of incompetence, unprofessional-ism, elitism, and overall distrust of patients is mind boggling.

I do have an open mind, but I also want the Doctor to have an open mind.

I notice that those who have Adderall, don't like anyone else having it also. So it's OK for you to get treated, but I'm not allowed to for some reason.

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09-17-11, 03:26 PM
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