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Stressless37
12-13-11, 03:08 PM
I always thought if I had more time, I could get more done.
Well, I have more time...and I got worse...
I talked with some women family members and found there are many with ADD on my Mom's side!
I am 37 and have recently been seeing a pdoc for ADD.
Last month I started with Ritalin and it worked to clear my mind so I could better function.
It was short lasting so my pdoc has me trying Adderall this month.
Things are going ok.

My daughter and I are somewhat similar with things.
But what she has a problem with mostly is school.
She is a good student, good grades and behavior.
Although this school year,
everyday, around the same time, she starts to get a tension type headache.
The teacher says she spends a little longer than others on her work.
The two subjects that give her these headaches are math and social studies.
She has gone to the nurse more than once a week.
Everyday when she gets home from school she cries because of this feeling.
(on days when she doesn't go for the ibuprophen)
It's to the point now that for the past three weeks she rarely wants to go to school because she's afraid of getting a headache. She is concerned about having to ask to see the nurse again.
I called her Pedi and got a message back that maybe it's hormones?
I didn't recall the start of puberty being a headache everyday in math class for months? September-December? maybe?

I know there is more to a diagnosis than being easily stressed from trying to do school work.

Her and I both struggle with keeping things in their places.
It's my fault her room is always a mess. I let her go in there and create masterpieces. She is very creative. It is her outlet! She loves scotch tape and paper. She makes castles! She also loves to sew. When she is bored or angry she will disappear into her room and create something wonderful.
(Not to mention I have trouble keeping up with the clean laundry.
So, her room doubles as the laundry room. )

I get easily overwhelmed and it pains me to think she could be helped if she is suffering.
I know how easily her buttons are pressed at home with her siblings.
They love to watch her react. It is hard for her not to.
(we do enforce rules and rewards for good/bad behavior)
(My youngest is 8 yr old boy bothers the cat sometimes and his sister a lot. I have been keeping a close eye on him. His teacher says he is just chatty. He actually used to be very shy. He is still kind of sensitive of my three. ( My oldest is 15 boy)

I posted all this to get some support in one direction or another, I guess.
Mainly, one. I would like to see if she can be helped by meds as a "let's try this first".
I have an appointment Friday with her Pedi.
Most of the reading I have done is Dr. Daniel G. Amen "Healing ADD..6 types "
I have found this book helpful.

BR549
12-13-11, 04:43 PM
First, I'd like to welcome you to the forums!

Second, I'd like to direct you here : Dizfriz's Corner (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60130). Dizfriz is a member here and his essays contain a lot of useful information for parents of children with ADHD.

Third, Dr. Russell Barkley one of the leading ADHD specialists and has been for over 35 years. He has several videos and books. The videos may be easier to start with. Here's a thread that contains a few:

www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81316

CADDAC has all ( I believe of Dr. Barkley's videos):


www.caddac.ca/cms/video/parents_player.html

Stressless37
12-14-11, 11:36 AM
After doing a little more research and thinking about it....I'm not so sure about her situation. I will always be vigilant to her needs. I am keeping the appointment with her doctor. I think she should have her blood checked for her thyroid and iron, blood sugars??. Her diet has a lot to be desired. She is the most pickiest eater of my three. Although we have been improving in that area, we still need to keep it up! She is active and at a normal weight.
Yesterday she had a headache after school (started same time). Also, she gets them when she tries concentrating on certain homework. Ugh.... Guess I will keep pushing hydration as well!!!
Hope you all have a good day. :)

anticipate
12-14-11, 02:41 PM
Could she have a vision problem? Have you had her eyes examined by an ophthalmologist (not just the pediatrician)?

Stressless37
12-15-11, 09:18 AM
Yes, she just started wearing glasses this year. She got them at the start of school and wears them in school. The teacher says she is good about that.
Last night she was working on her math homework and she started getting upset again. She wants to just hurry up and get it done. Same thing now with science. They are on to science from social studies. (6th grade) She has a hard time slowing down to find the answers in the lessons.
For her reading homework, I would read aloud to her for 20 min.
She reads well aloud. She would rather just listen.
Today, again she doesn't want to go to school.
We are going for labs first. She is going to school.

Stressless37
12-15-11, 09:29 AM
I also wanted to add that she has always been really bright. She's been top of her class academically since preschool. (of which she went two years) I wonder if she is bored? She gets the work easily but spends more time than she needs to on it? The comprehension subjects are finally a challenge perhaps? She wants to hurry, but spends extra time making sure it's right.
It kinda sounds like ADD to me. We are always worried we are making a mistake?

anticipate
12-15-11, 10:35 AM
There is a lot of overlap between gifted & bored and ADHD. The primary difference being that ADHD effects nearly every part of the childs life, whereas gifted & bored will only cause issues in the classroom. Obviously, the child can be gifted, bored AND ADHD. Which is where I am at with my son. It's incredibly difficult deal with because the schools don't want to allow the child into the gifted programs due to behavior, but they also don't want to make accommodations for ADHD because the child is getting straight A's.

I would first speak to the teacher and ask about lightening her work load on subjects she has already shown mastery of. This is something we've done with my son and it's helped a little. Knowing he had a whole pile of work to do completely overwhelmed him, and the teacher was fully aware he had a good grasp of all the material, so she's now only giving him the bare minimum of worksheets in class.

I would talk to both her pediatrician and ophthalmologist about the headaches. It could be the glasses are not quite the right prescription, or it could be some sort of health issue the ped can diagnose. Most likely it's just anxiety, but it's always good to rule out physical issues first.

One resource you can use look at that's used to diagnose ADHD is the Vanderbilt Scale. Do a google search for "Vanderbilt Scale" and you'll see several links to it.

LynneC
12-15-11, 10:50 AM
I also wanted to add that she has always been really bright. She's been top of her class academically since preschool. (of which she went two years) I wonder if she is bored? She gets the work easily but spends more time than she needs to on it? The comprehension subjects are finally a challenge perhaps? She wants to hurry, but spends extra time making sure it's right.
It kinda sounds like ADD to me. We are always worried we are making a mistake?
Well, it would be beneficial for you to know for sure if she meets the diagnostic criteria for a diagnosis of ADHD. You would need to take her to a dr, preferably someone who specializes in ADD/ADHD like a developmental pediatrician or a child psychiatrist. They likely would have you fill out a questionnaire and ask her teacher/s to fill one out also. Her symptoms would need to be present in both school and home to be diagnosed as having ADD/ADHD.

Another advantage to going to a specialist is that they are well qualified to diagnose and /or rule out any co-morbid conditions that may accompany an ADHD diagnosis, like anxiety.

Once you know what is going on with her, you are in a much better position to make an informed decision regarding whether to consider medication or not.

Stressless37
12-15-11, 01:23 PM
yeah it seems she has more of an anxiety problem definitely!
Last year she had some test anxiety.
This year she seems fine taking tests.
It's just the everyday, certain classes.
Then the homework seems to trigger the same feelings.
Guess I gotta see what to do about that. :) thanks so much

Stressless37
12-15-11, 01:42 PM
I'm not sure how to partial quote in a reply. But I did look up the Vanderbilt Scale. It was helpful. I have talked to her teacher. The only thing she says is that she spends more time than most kids on her work. But, she always shows her work thoroughly.
I guess I just want to be vigilant as to what her needs are.
I would say it's because she doesn't really like her teacher this year.
She isn't crazy about the new nurse either. lol
But, she switches classrooms and she loves her social studies/science teacher.
So, maybe her Pedi will suggest a pedi Pdoc?
I'm not opposed. They won't find her ADD now. Would that hurt her in the future if her traits do bloom into a disorder?
If that's the case I will wait....maybe after puberty..she'll be a whole new girl!!
She manages well in school. (headaches aside)
At home we all kind of struggle. I'm working at making home a better environment.
(Less clutter) I can see her and I are a lot alike at home....ugh..umm.. and she so young I really want her to have a better, easier time with these struggles....I feel so responsible...but at the same time I know, now why I am this way...and I can't fix it overnight..or ever in a hurry...(multi-tasking used to be so cool...not)
I..we..can only celebrate every small accomplishment and enjoy what gets done when it does...:)
I learn something new everyday :) Thanks again for all your support

anticipate
12-15-11, 02:24 PM
If you can find someone in your area that you can afford (hopefully via insurance) I would recommend getting a neuropsychological workup. They will administer a test like one of the Wechsler exams that will really help pinpoint exactly where she's having difficulty. She could have some sort of visual processing disorder that she's been mostly able to work around but requires a lot of effort/concentration, or mild disgraphia, etc. Something that, due to her intelligence, she's been able to mostly get around, but is causing her to have to expend extra energy.

Stressless37
12-15-11, 02:52 PM
If you can find someone in your area that you can afford (hopefully via insurance) I would recommend getting a neuropsychological workup. They will administer a test like one of the Wechsler exams that will really help pinpoint exactly where she's having difficulty. She could have some sort of visual processing disorder that she's been mostly able to work around but requires a lot of effort/concentration, or mild disgraphia, etc. Something that, due to her intelligence, she's been able to mostly get around, but is causing her to have to expend extra energy.

interesting. Thanks for your thoughtful input!

happytexas
12-16-11, 09:38 AM
Visual and Auditory Processing Disorders | LD Topics | LD OnLine (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CFsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ldonline.org%2Farticle%2F6390 %2F&ei=hUnrTu_ALeH9sQKIkL3cCQ&usg=AFQjCNEvUP6U5hqkWBkM-PUkuI_ilc5g_g&sig2=lWO8ao6c6CcsfxLkO7aqgg)

Information Processing Disorders (http://www.ncld.org/ld-basics/related-issues/information-processing/information-processing-disorders)

Stressless37
12-16-11, 11:54 AM
In the articles "Information Processing Disorders" the second website you sent me happytexas, I found this description that fits my daughter:
(under a sub heading of Executive functioning....)
"These problem behaviors are often the descriptors we hear about students with learning disabilities (LD) as well as those with AD/HD and language processing disorders. Parents and teachers complain that they:
Are often overwhelmed by the increased and varied work load in the middle and upper grades"

"For individuals with LD, problems with executive functioning are often complicated by performance anxiety. Feeling anxious about what to do and how well you're doing "

So, I guess it could be a LD, at any rate the site recommends a book "Executive Function in Education: From Theory to Practice" edited by Dr. Lynn Meltzer (2007, Guilford Press)
I could check it out.
Also, I just requested a few books from my local library about child anxiety and esp. school related.