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adhdvsaspi
02-13-12, 02:50 AM
I'm looking for info (experiences) from a person who has moderate Adhd. I would prefer a book and no hair brained schemes... All I can find is stuff by people who STUDY US like lab rats. Usually asking narrow minded questions that in my opinion are only seeking adhd and not other possible causes. I find little information on coping skills. they help kids under 3 develop coping skills. why not over 3? Teachers first words are I cant ... meds...but...Have you tried them? Most important why are dr so restrictive when prescribing adhd meds? Monthly visits for meds some people have taken for years??? seems fishy! I get most meds in 90 day supply with 4 refills nexium, motrin, vicodine the last is a controlled substance...If my kid relies on drugs how come the pills don't make him remember his book. and homework from school? (he is under 8 and tried over 10 different) What is purpose of medication vacation beside making babies) if it treats your condition shouldn't it always.

sarahsweets
02-13-12, 07:27 AM
Could you clarify your questions? I'm not sure how to answer.

LynneC
02-13-12, 10:36 AM
I'm also not sure exactly what you are asking, but behavior modification is an important aspect of helping a child to manage his ADHD symptoms. Medication alone is not usually completely effective by itself. With parents' knowledge of the disorder and understanding how to assist the child by providing guidelines and consequences for behavior, medication has a much greater likelihood of being effective, IMO.

If you'd like to learn more, I suggest you read the information in Dizfriz's Corner:
http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60130

ccom5100
02-13-12, 12:01 PM
What else have you tried besides medication? If you've tried 10 different meds and still haven't gotten results, perhaps you should look into food allergies or sensitivities. My ds does very well with a very small dosage of a non-stimulant adhd med combined with a diet free of chemical additives, which have been shown to cause adhd type symptoms in people who are sensitive to those chemicals. For more information, you can check out www.feingold.org

It doesn't work for everyone, but it is worth a try. Worst case scenerio, you'll wind up feeding your family a healthier diet, free of petro-chemicals.

In addition, if your child is extremely inattentive, and walks around as if in a fog, he might be suffering from yeast overgrowth, especially if he had been prescribed a good deal of antibiotics.

There are many conditions that mimic adhd; it is important to rule them out, especially if you are not seeing results with the common adhd meds.

happytexas
02-13-12, 12:09 PM
Monthly visits for meds some people have taken for years??? seems fishy! I get most meds in 90 day supply with 4 refills nexium, motrin, vicodine the last is a controlled substance...If my kid relies on drugs how come the pills don't make him remember his book. and homework from school? (he is under 8 and tried over 10 different) What is purpose of medication vacation beside making babies) if it treats your condition shouldn't it always.

I don't know why a doctor would require monthly visits for an established/working medication. My Dr. and my son's doctor only requires every 90 days if there aren't any problems.

Medication doesn't "make" you do anything, it merely helps establish normal brain chemistry; you/the child still needs to work on behavior modifications and supports, like a 504 at school (which could include the teacher specifically asking your child for his assignments each day) and a WatchMinder3 for remembering daily tasks). If he doesn't have a behavioral management therapist that is experienced with working with young ADHD children, I would find one.

If your child isn't benefiting from medication he may be one of the unlucky ones that meds aren't that effective for. Another possibility is that he is misdiagnosed or underdiagnosed; there may be a comorbid condition, such as a processing disorder (http://www.ncld.org/ld-basics/related-issues/information-processing/information-processing-disorders). If he has a receptive language disorder it may be that he relies on reminders to do things like turn in homework, but he isn't hearing the teacher because his "ear" can't separate her voice from the din of the classroom (there are amplifiers available for this).

If all he has a "simple" diagnosis from a ped or psychiatrist, he should probably also have an interdisciplinary evaluation with a developmental-behavioral ped or neuropsychiatrist.

You could also have a more thorough medical exam; there are other conditions that can cause ADHD like symptoms like lack of quality sleep (needs a sleep study to diagnose), food sensitivities, certain allergies, and the inability to absorb certain nutrients in the gut.
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I recommended reading "Wrightslaw: From Emotions to Advocacy"; the information from the book can be found on their site as well (Table of Contents (http://www.wrightslaw.com/bks/feta/feta.toc.long.htm)). Reading "Wrightslaw: Special Education Law, 2nd Edition," would be a good idea as well).

Under IDEA/IEP, if your child has a disability that adversely affects educational performance, your child is entitled to an education that is designed to meet the child's unique needs and from which your child receives educational benefit.


A 504 is helping your child get the same education that everyone else is getting--more for a student that needs accommodations to help them learn (like sitting next to the teacher) or for behavior, and that they are not punished for things that they cannot control due to the ADHD (like needing to work standing up or not sit inside a group).


[A IEP or 504 is not an escalation or punishment for the teacher/school. It's more about getting all appropriate parties involved and on the same page. The student, parent/legal guardian, teachers, principals, Pupil Services administrators, support staff (i.e. nurse, counselor, psychologist, language/speech pathologist) as well as the student's physician or therapist may be involved in the placement process including the 504 meeting.]

Eligibility under IDEA for Other Health Impaired Children (http://sogpubs.unc.edu/electronicversions/slb/slbsum02/article2.pdf)


Key Differences Between Section 504, the ADA, and the IDEA. (http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/sec504.summ.rights.htm)


(http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/sec504.summ.rights.htm (http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/sec504.summ.rights.htm))

If you decide to request the school do education/learning disability testing, you need to "start the clock" in your letter of request; the school has 60 days from the date they received parental consent for evaluation to do one; your written request should note that this letter is the consent for evaluation. (And, if you did not do it in writing, it never happened!).

Determining Eligibility: How Many Days is 60 Days? - Wrightslaw (http://www.wrightslaw.com/blog/?p=130)

The Art of Writing Letters by Pam and Pete Wright - Advocacy ... (http://www.wrightslaw.com/advoc/articles/DRAFT_Letters.html)

CrazyLazyGal
02-13-12, 11:47 PM
What else have you tried besides medication? If you've tried 10 different meds and still haven't gotten results, perhaps you should look into food allergies or sensitivities. If you've tried 10 different meds with no good results, you have to revisit the ADHD diagnosis.

ccom5100
02-14-12, 02:02 PM
If you've tried 10 different meds with no good results, you have to revisit the ADHD diagnosis.

http://newideas.net/adhd/differential-diagnosis

Dizfriz
02-14-12, 03:23 PM
http://newideas.net/adhd/differential-diagnosis

To our guests:

I went into this site and there some things written there that concerned me, things that did not seem all that accurate or complete. When I noticed that it was pushing the product "Attend - ADHD Alternative Homeopathic and Natural", what they were saying that concerned me then made sense. They were selling a product and writing to aid in the sales effort.

A strong degree of caution should always be exercised when looking at a site pushing a product especially those like Attend which have little scientific evidence of effectiveness.

Use it or not as you wish and it may help a few but just be aware of the lack of scientific support for the product.

Dizfriz

ccom5100
02-14-12, 04:57 PM
To our guests:

I went into this site and there some things written there that concerned me, things that did not seem all that accurate or complete. When I noticed that it was pushing the product "Attend - ADHD Alternative Homeopathic and Natural", what they were saying that concerned me then made sense. They were selling a product and writing to aid in the sales effort.

A strong degree of caution should always be exercised when looking at a site pushing a product especially those like Attend which have little scientific evidence of effectiveness.

Use it or not as you wish and it may help a few but just be aware of the lack of scientific support for the product.

Dizfriz

I assume your referring to the site I posted that lists different conditions that might mimic adhd. Since most sites these days do contain advertisements for products, it is hard to get around that. I'd like to clarify that I was in no way directing people to the site for the advertisements, only for the list of conditions that could mimic adhd. I didn't even realize there was an ad for Attend. Thanks for pointing that out.

Dizfriz
02-14-12, 06:02 PM
I assume your referring to the site I posted that lists different conditions that might mimic adhd. Since most sites these days do contain advertisements for products, it is hard to get around that. I'd like to clarify that I was in no way directing people to the site for the advertisements, only for the list of conditions that could mimic adhd. I didn't even realize there was an ad for Attend. Thanks for pointing that out.
No problem, I kinda figured this was the case but wanted to comment on the site for the guests. That is why I wrote it the way I did, not criticizing you in any way but just pointing out some issues with the site.

Once I got into it was apparent that the purpose was to pitch Attend. It was not clear up front but was slid in.

Dizfriz

adhdvsaspi
02-15-12, 12:24 AM
http://newideas.net/adhd/differential-diagnosis

younger brother dx aspergers thanks will tell doctor