Do spaceships exsist ?? My friends father who got his automotive and aircraft mechanical training in the airforce was going to work one day when he turned the corner in Primrose Ontario to see to his surprise something sitting 100 feet in the air hovering ther over a farmers field. There was an Ontario Provincal Police officer there and a farmer just staring at this thing. It hovered there for about 5 minuets and then took off from a dead stand still to being out of sight within 30 seconds.

It was 5 years befour Mr Bader (my friends Dad) would even talk about it.

The story I just wrote is all he told us other than at the end he stated
" I have been around all types of aircraft all my life and I have never seen anything that looked like that or could move like that."

He then said "was it a spaceship ?", " I have no proof it was a spaceship", " "BUT IF YOU TRUST THE FACT THAT " "I have been around all types of aircraft all my life and I have never seen anything that looked like that or could move like that", YOU MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION AS TO WHAT I SAW"

and he never ever spoke of it again to me or his daughter (my friend Debbie)

I didn't realize this was the whacked-out weird theories board. I'm confining my posts to issues surrounding ADD from here on out. I'd say this type of post belongs more on the UFO boards than on ADD Forums. Just my $.02.

If I'm not mistaken this is the general chit chat forum and unless I'm mistaken if I feel like asking if people believe in spaceships that should be my prerogative . Maybe if a particular subject doesn't agree with your frame of mind when it is posted in the General Chit Chat area you should just refrain from participating instead of of demoralizing someone else who might just have felt like chit chatting about that particular subject. So just so you know I am returning your $.02 to you as I'd hate for you to think that some one took your money when your not happy with your purchase.

garry: theres a saying that goes if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck. therefore if it looked like a spaceship and quacked (moved) like a spaceship (or in your case didnt look like anything ELSE youd ever seen and didnt move like anything else youd ever seen), then it must have been a spaceship. k? anythings possible in this crazy mixed up world of ours right? my vote is a simple yes.

You are correct Garry this is the Chit-Chat Forum where just about anything goes.

I think many people use the "view new topics" option when they come on an many times don't realize what section they are in.

There have been many threads in the "Chit-Chat" forum that have nothng to do with AD/HD.

If people are looking to read and talk only about AD/HD then the Chit-Chat may not be for them.


Also, please be considerate to each other. If you have an issue with a post or a member please report it to a moderator or admin.

You also have the option of putting members on ignore so you do not have to read their posts or communicate with them.

Hey dan I wish it had been me that seen that duck

It's the one thing in life I want to see

thanks tara

Originally posted by Garry Lawton
Hey dan I wish it had been me that seen that duck

It's the one thing in life I want to see

Garry: someday your duck will come in. and you will see it. and the world will see you see it.

and you will become famous. :)

I had a wierd experience in my first year of college that somewhat conviced me. My friend and I were driving from north bay to south river...of on the horizon, we saw this silverish thing just floating in mid air, though, hey, its just an airplane...suddenly it was gone and then we saw it on the other side of the sky, as though it disappeared and then reappeared...must have travelled awful fast...neither of us said anything for a few minutes and then I finally though "screw it, I gotta ask if he thinks he saw I I think I just saw" and I did, I said simply "did you just see what I just saw" and my friend who was driving said "you mean the extremely fast silver thing in the distance..." and I said "uh, yeah, I guess so" and he said "yep....not sure what it was, but I dont really know what to think of it" not twenty minutes later we came upon about 4 or 5 cop cars parked alongside the road and they had dogs on leashes and looked like they were searching for something in the forest...not that those two events were connected, but it did seem rather odd at the time...Another time, I was out with a girlfriend and we had been at the park for a walk, when we got in my car to go home I looked up and there was this one star that seemed to be moving in a pattern in one spot as though it was hovering around something...I watched it for ages (I am sure if her parents had looked out the window, they would have thought I was a bit nutty...and I had to explain the next day why I did not move from in front of their house for a good twenty minutes after their daughter went inside the house...and they did think I wasa bit nutty! anyways, those are my two odd stories. Anyway, Gary, I hope more discussions like this come up as I find them interesting and thought provoking and to think that the current state of mankind is the highest level of evolution in the universe right now is probably the most ludicrous belief of all...and the most discouraging...I really hope that we are not finished the evolutionary process...as this planet could sue some new ideas...maybe ADD is an evolutionary step, maybe we, as ADDers in the future will be better adapted to situations that others cannot fathom.,....hmmmm......anyway,thats my two cents...and then some I think...reply if you think of anything to add...

If UFO's exist, then why do they only show themselves to rednecks, country folk, homeless people, and other "fringes" of society? If a race had the ability to create a starship of the type that could travel to earth, buzz a cornfield, and then beat a quick retreat to the far edges of the galaxy, don't you think they'd stop by the UN or the White House or the Taj Mahal and say hello?

I personally believe there's life "out there"... in other star systems or other galaxies... but I think a personal belief in UFO's being a real and pervasive phenomenon here on earth is a bit um... far-fetched. And those are my REAL $.02.

Maybe "UFOs" do not go to world leaders and waht not because, like many of us here on earth, they also have a great distrust for those with a lot of power (military or otherwise)...plus, it is often those people who see UFOs who become "fringe" people because they believe they have seen a UFO. If an alien has so much knowledge as to make such a craft, maybe they know something about the fringes of society that others do not...(basically, the mainstream). why is it so hard beleive that there are visitors, and that from time to time, they take people....or jsut visit for scenery....plenty of people believe in an all powerfull invisble source that made the earth and made us, as humans, the supreme rulers of all that exists on it alhtough we have never seen this being except in wierd places like paintings that cry and road signs and muffins bearing a striking resemblance to the face of a saint. I am not saying that there are or are not spaceships, but why beleive that those holding all the power hold it legitimately at all times and therefore should be the only ones to visit! I am not a redneck or backwoods hick either...

No, but in fact 99% of all UFO "sightings" have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be other things... weather, atmospheric occurrences, normal aircraft, balloons, etc. And the remaining 1% cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. So don't you think that of ALL the "sightings" that have taken place, we'd see one instance that could be proven somewhere, that would prove this? Obviously, NASA and other organizations have an interest in finding life on other planets, or they wouldn't have SETI and other programs to discover life. But that doesn't mean they believe there IS life there, not yet.

And I stand correct on the "fringe" comment... it's not always people on the fringes who believe in these things. But it's the same group of people who think Coral Calcium can cure their cancer, who watch Jerry Springer every night, and who think the perfect home is one you can put wheels on. I would venture a guess that 90% of all UFO "abductees" have mullets, are missing some teeth, or have conspiracy theories and think wearing a tinfoil hat to keep out the government mind-control devices is a good idea ;)

OK, 99% of all reported sightings have been reported as being proven to be other things....there are probably numerous more that have not been reported....and what we have seen is that which people want us to hear. Of course, people who have few teeth and drive motor homes are a great way to bring up skepticism in the general society....making someone's thoughts and ideas seem crazy and outlandish is the easiest way to make others believe that something isnt real. I am not saying I'm right about anything...I mean, half of the problem with having something like ADD is that, despite what medical professionals tell us, we know there are some limits to what people can tell you about how your mind works...however, if taking a pill three times a day makes you feel better about yourself and makes your life a little easier, then go for it...as soon as the pills bring more problems than solutions to your life, its time to seek out other options,....like a tinfoil hat...we all have thewse little things in our heads called brains, and they are so bombarded by facts and ideas and thoughts and whatnot, that at times it does become difficult to process all the junk that goes in there, sometimes, we need to feel that it is manageable. and if those on the fringe take comfort in wearing tinfoil or any other food preserving wrapping substance, I say kudos....they did it without drugs...And if we are going to spend millions of dollars a year on discovering life on other planets while life here for a lot of people really sucks ***, they had better believe full-throttle in life on other planets, otherwise that is a massive waste of tax dollars that could be used for good school programs, good parenting aids for kids with ADD or any other physical disabilities as well....it could be put towards something that is real...but it isnt...we invest money and time into things that we havent figured out yet because it provides some glimmer of hope to many...if it didnt, there would be no horrible TV evangelists peddling holy water or whatever....once again, this is just my opnion, but really, belief in alien spaceships is no different than belief that ADD is real....just because it says it in a book written by someone with DR. in front of their name, doesnt always make it so, but if people feel that they are different and it affects them (PS, I know ADD is real, because I have the same symptoms and problems in my life after being diagnosed as I did before I was diagnosed...there is something there, but whether or not it is a "disability" or disorer due to the fact that it doesnt fit with the mainstream of soceity is what should be questioned....maybe our brains are made slightly different for a very good reason, maybe our impulsiveness and constant questioning and inability to stay focused is a positive trait to some degree and at some point in the future may save our asses from something that normal people will not be able to handle...)...Anyway, you bring up some good points, but I am trying to be as open in my life as possible to the possibility that things that are fed to me through books and tv are not always what they seem...and thus, neither are all evaluations of those sources valid either...its a sick a ridiculous cycle, but I find it helps me out (I think it is spelled out pretty well in the quote after my name....).

So I guess the thoughts that I'm getting from this discussion is that,


" Is that I'm not the only one of us that doesn't think that ",

"WE ARE THE MOST INTELLIGENT SPECIS IN THE UNIVERSE"


Grin

well, that and I, among other grad students, have little else to do in their lives than post long-winded rants about absolutely really nothing at all to make themselves feel more important than they really are in order to justify the insane amounts of money the have spent ontheir education and in the pubs up to this point (I really think a good self-deprecating sense of humour is missing in academic circles if you havent already noticed...I would like to get an academic journal in each discipline devoted solely to satiring everything academics do within that discipline....this is especially needed, I find, in the social sciences and psychological areas...).

Um Missing_Cues, that's needed in the health sciences as well....and biological sciences, etc. etc. etc.....
and true, you have my number....I'm a student and I make myself feel important by posting here.....not to justify all the money I spent on school so much...but to justify why I'm not out there working....YET.

hahhahaha.....I was just messing around...I hate people who are conceited about being in university, my dad and mom gave me a pretty comfortable life, but they struggled all the way through...My dad's side of the family has been pretty working class for quite a while and I have been given everyting by them that they could afford...I cant stand when people treat each other differently based on what school they go to, or whether they go to school at all,....anyway, its good to hear that someone else shares my disdain for uppity-academic-types who cant laugh at themselves....like I said, I think it should be in all professions, but being a sociology major, I think in those social science frames of mind and that is where I see a lot of really seriously intense people who need to pull the stick out of their asses....have a laff and whatnot....

Originally posted by unreal33
If UFO's exist, then why do they only show themselves to rednecks, country folk, homeless people, and other "fringes" of society? If a race had the ability to create a starship of the type that could travel to earth, buzz a cornfield, and then beat a quick retreat to the far edges of the galaxy, don't you think they'd stop by the UN or the White House or the Taj Mahal and say hello?

I personally believe there's life "out there"... in other star systems or other galaxies... but I think a personal belief in UFO's being a real and pervasive phenomenon here on earth is a bit um... far-fetched. And those are my REAL $.02.


Maybe they want to talk to some people that have some Common Sense

and just to throw in my Canadian $ .02 and I quite relize that its not worth as much as the American $.02 but do you happen to have a problem with "rednecks, country folk, and homeless people. What makes you think they are the "fringes" of society


I don't know about where you live but I've never once locked the door to my house because I know that my neighbors who happen to be, " rednecks and country folk ",who when they arent out at a cabin raising for some poor homeless people are usually sitting on my deck with there crock of bootleg moonshine contemplating how high the corn grew today.

We also have to figure out how many igloos we are going to build this year to last us threw the 11 months of winter we get out here in the country

For anybody who is interested check out this link

http://www.canoe.com/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2003/06/04/102672.html

Originally posted by missing_cues
I cant stand when people treat each other differently based on what school they go to, or whether they go to school at all,....anyway, its good to hear that someone else shares my disdain for uppity-academic-types who cant laugh at themselves....like I said, I think it should be in all professions, but being a sociology major, I think in those social science frames of mind and that is where I see a lot of really seriously intense people who need to pull the stick out of their asses....have a laff and whatnot....

Missing -- I agree...well put...thanks...:)

Hmmm...let me think a minute here...ok this may be dangerous, but.....doesn't the definition of U.F.O. mean un-identified Flying Object...therefor..it you don't know what the dang thing is..it is there by a U.F.O.

LMBO...just my addled brain working overtime here..no offense anyone. Oh and plz excuse my spelling...didn't feel like spell checking it.

Huggz

Are you getting your penny's worth? This was the title of an article I read years ago in some science magazine, I forget which one. Refers to the fact that out of the average person's tax, only one CENT goes to the space program.

Just counting the technological innovations, medical, communications, etc., should tell us that the space program is one of the few government programs that pays us back many times over in quality of life dividends.

I've learned a few things in my life, and one of the big basics is that when you make a massive generalization you are most of the time wrong.

Another thing I've learned is that people tend to come to conclusions and then rationalize them afterward. Anyone who's ever seen a hypnotism show will recognize this- ask the person who's been given a hypnotic suggestion to cluck like a chicken upon command, and when asked why he did it, he will give a perfectly normal (to him anyway) reason why he did so.

My view on UFO's, crop circles, etc, is this; there's sure a lot of smoke there if there's no fire... which is not to say that I necesarily believe they're aliens... it's interesting to me how ufo's seem to change over the decades and centuries along with our ideas of what we feel an alien ship should look like...

And I believe I have seen either a pair of ufos or VERY fast stealth planes- two dots of light, NO sound, went from horizon to horizon in like 5 seconds.

Oh, and as for the redneck thing, do you consider Jimmy Carter, a former president, a country fool?

And would it surprise you terribly to learn that those folks living in the country scratch their heads and wonder why city folk, who seem so smart, live in a place where they have to spend hours in traffic, breathe filthy air, tolerate overcrowding, noise, shallow friendships, small living spaces, crime, and higher cost of living for all these "wonders"?

Hmmm, suddenly you're not looking so smart after all...

http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

force, I wasnt trying to imply that the space program is a waste of money at all...I was simply stating that I hoped that the governments and scientists believe in aliens thats all...and as far as advances in technology, I would have to disagree to some extent as much of the quality of life improvements you talk about are only improvements to those who can afford them...and yes, after a while all of those technological advances do come down in prices but that is only after the parts can be made made by 12 year old kids in third world countries for 50 cents an hour or less (jobs that could have gone to americans to buy those advances in the first place at a higher price), and many of those technological/communication advances come from military spending...however, you're point is well made...I do agree that there are several good things that come out of the space program....its all in the application/intentions of this technology...I do hope they find aliens one day....but, in my opinion, they have laready found us. I think thats what scares a lot of people...the imagery portrayed in movies of being colonized by aliens and then the hero comes to save the day...its kind of funny when you think about it...(colonizers being colonized)....anyway, I didnt mean anything negative by talking about backwoods hicks and stuff (I am from a small town/city in the middle of nowhere in canada) and I was merely stating that people who are ridiculed or marginalized by mainstream society often have a lot more t offer in thoughts and ideas than those who are indoctrinated by media and other sources of information...

MC

HEY, Force....That sight was awesome......I put it into my favourites...and emailed the link to friends and family....Love your posts and hope to see more soon...

MC

I am going ogff line right now to go make my Beanie

will let you know as soon as I have it in working order

Yes and they are coming to take me away!

Originally posted by unreal33
If UFO's exist, then why do they only show themselves to rednecks, country folk, homeless people, and other "fringes" of society? If a race had the ability to create a starship of the type that could travel to earth, buzz a cornfield, and then beat a quick retreat to the far edges of the galaxy, don't you think they'd stop by the UN or the White House or the Taj Mahal and say hello?

I personally believe there's life "out there"... in other star systems or other galaxies... but I think a personal belief in UFO's being a real and pervasive phenomenon here on earth is a bit um... far-fetched. And those are my REAL $.02.

Actually, President Jimmy Carter, when Govenor and the State Trouper that was driving him made a joint UFO report.

A number of other high profile pwoplw have done the same.

In fact, our own astronauts have seen and reported them.

I would think that if they were operated by intelligent beings it would be about as hard to keep from getting "caught" as it is to frustrate a toddler by hiding and showing his toy and keeping it out of reach... not hard at all.

The unstated premise behind this thread seems to be that all unexplained activity in the night sky should be assumed to result from alien spacecraft. Aliens here appear to have taken the role of gods, being invoked whenever a natural phenomenon is observed which cannot be readily explained. The claim, "it's a miracle" is really no different from, "it's aliens."

The night sky is full of strange sights because the human brain invents visual patterns and leaps to false conclusions when insufficent information exists. Even in daylight, observing flying objects is very tricky, since without a known size reference, it is impossible to tell how far away any object is or how fast it is moving.

Even astronomers, who are extremely familar with the night sky, are often fooled. I remember reading in Scientific American about an astronomer who was absolutely certain he had seen a UFO, along with several other witnesses. Only after extensive investigation did he discover that the object was, in fact, a small, slow-moving, low-flying helium baloon with a glowing ball inside of it, released by a student as part of a school project. Many astronomers will admit to misidentifying dozens if not hundreds of natural objects. If we can't trust astronomers to reliably identify alien spacecraft, then, in my opinion, we probably can't trust anyone.

It is simply not reasonable to suggest that alien spacecraft regularly visit the Earth. There is no plausible motive for such visitations, no physical evidence that they've taken place, and no reason to believe that unexplained natural phenomena cannot account for such UFO sightings.

If this were a civil trial, I'd be forced to "acquit" the aliens and "convict" the human imagination.

-Mike

Well I guess that what your saying there Mike is that you dont believe in spaceships, huh

Originally posted by Garry Lawton
to see to his surprise something sitting 100 feet in the air hovering ther over a farmers field. It hovered there for about 5 minuets and then took off from a dead stand still to being out of sight within 30 seconds.


We can be fairly certain that none of this information was accurate. Since the object was unidentified, he would have no way of knowing its true altitude, or exactly how far and how fast it would need to go to escape from sight.



The story I just wrote is all he told us other than at the end he stated
" I have been around all types of aircraft all my life and I have never seen anything that looked like that or could move like that."


Probably not all types of aircraft. There is some truly weird stuff out there. For example, has he ever seen a Lifter (http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm)? The technology needed to build these things has been around since the 1920's and they are so simple that lots of people are building them at home.

So far, no one has managed to perfect the Buttered Cat Drive (http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf111/sf111p15.htm), but with aliens anything is possible.

Well I guess that what your saying there Mike is that you dont believe in spaceships, huh

hehe...well, it's just hard for me to understand why they would bother comming & going while making such a careful effort to hide themselves. If it were me, I'd just sit back at the edge of the solar system and download the latest alien porn godesses from hyperscape. Then, I'd send some remote nanoprobes to collect all my DNA samples and clone me up all the earthlings I needed.

There is also the vegetarian hypothesis (http://www.terrybisson.com/meat.html).

-Mike

Originally posted by aforceforgood

And I believe I have seen either a pair of ufos or VERY fast stealth planes- two dots of light, NO sound, went from horizon to horizon in like 5 seconds.

You may well have seen space junk re-entering or meteors.

However, a girlfriend and I in college were lieing on our backs looking up into the sky when we saw three white lights traveling across the sky. All of a sudden they split, one kept going the way it had been, the other two seemed to immediately go straight away from their mutual center point. I've seen lots of air craft shows... it would not have been consistent with my prior experience.

One has to ask, after such an observation, why would anyone want to do what was observed, and I am clueless.

Moving dots in the sky. Unidentified certainly, F O yep. Alien? Not much indication as to origin.

Garry

When I was between 5-10 yrs old, I looked out my window on a stormy wet night, and was surprised to see a light hovering above the water tower on the horizon. There were two lights, the one hovering and the one on the center top of the water tower. It hovered there maybe 5 minutes, then an arc of light passed between the two, which lasted what seemed minutes, and then the light that was hovering flew away. I was positive I had seen something that I could only explain as a space ship. What else could hover in a storm like that? No one believed me, and I never talked about it much after that. But I never forgot it.

Jonathan

every body has there own thoughts , experences and beliefs and the beauty of the formus is having the right to post them here without fear of being laughed at or ridiculed.

I am very happy to have found this place where people of all aspects of thought process whether it be positive, negative, disbelieving, curious, open minded or close minded, opinionated or non oppinionated all have the equal right to state there paticular views on any subject at hand.

I am also glad that we as mature ADDults have the privallige to participate in ,or ignore the posts made by others if we so choose.

What I find very enjoyable myself is the dicovery of the differnt viewpoints and thought process's of other participants and the ability to decide wheather or not you would want to get to know someone else who is participating in any of the forums.

It is really nice to meet people who are open minded enough to realise that maybee in this vast universe that we live in there are possibly other species that might even be more intellegent than we as a species seem to think we are.

It would be very nice to spend a whole day with a lot of the people who participate in the forums and really get to know each other as we are very fortunate to live in a world were we get to choose by our own thoughts and feelings, who you would like to spend time with and explore the fun, and exciting things of life .

We are a fortunate people who are lucky that we dont have to be couped up in a spaceship with for millions and millions of miles with other people who are not the ones you yourself would choose to play a game of checkers with just to pass the time and enjoy the privalige of the divercity of humun kind.

I have really enjoyed hearing of all the possible "I'm not sure what I saw but I'm sure I saw something stories".

Thank you to all the people who have shared their stories and thoughts openly without the fear of being laghed at by people who choose to live the short peiod of time that is called life constantly picking apart another persons thoughts , views, or dreams for there own self indulgences.

I live every day in the real world and see so many close minded, thoughtless and self centered, egotistical people who have really no concern for other people, that it is really a nice feeling to come home here to the forums and engage in some interesting, informative and some times totally silly topics and discussion.

elsensor

the reading material you provided links to was very entertaining. Thanks for the links!!!

Jonathan

PS: I'd flap my meat for you if I were not pounding my meat to you, due to this air barrier between our meats.

I liked the meat people story the best but the electofied plane has caught my attention also

thank you Mike for the enjoyable links and a look at another side of

"Do spaceships exist"

Im going to go catch one of the cats that frequently patrol my bird feeder. They are garding the bluejays against the squirrels who like to enjoy the smorgasboard that they find at the bird feedr. I will ask the cat , if it wants to participate in an experiment from my deck to the ground and let you know the results