View Full Version : Availability of Desoxyn in different countries


Herakles
06-08-12, 10:09 PM
Hey guyz,

I'm from Germany and want to give methamphetamin a try. Getting your fingers only on amphetamine is already very difficult here and getting them on meth is impossible (in no way prescribable).

So does anyone know in which countries desoxyn is prescribable?

Best regards,
herakles

relax21
06-08-12, 10:40 PM
The United States of America!

relax21
06-08-12, 10:45 PM
... I don't believe methamphetamine is legally available anywhere in Europe by prescription. But I may be wrong. I've just never heard of meth being used medicinally anywhere else other than in the United States, and even in the US meth is frowned upon.

Herakles
06-09-12, 08:31 AM
Can you describe me the situation in US? What does it costs, is there paper work to do,...?

What about Australia? I'm planning to do a trip for several months, so I would need to go to a doc there, to get regularly on my normal dose of amphetamines. If desoxyn is available there, this would be an opportunity.

relax21
06-11-12, 05:54 PM
It's rarely prescribed in the US. If it's considered at all it's after all other stimulants have failed. Methamphetamine is a highly addictive substance, so the vast majority doctors are not likely to prescribe it. They're only available in 5 mg instant release tablets and tend to be very expensive unless you have coverage.

Methamphetamine is illegal to prescribe and dispense in Australia, however Dexamphetamine is legally prescribed.

Why do you want to try Methamphetamine?

Herakles
06-14-12, 05:14 PM
I'm gone from methylphenidat to d/l-Amphetamine and I have to say that its great.
I made lot of improvements but some issues stay:

- sometimes feel to speedy; anxious and sweaty;
- relaxation is difficult; energy needs to be put into some activity
- a bit emotionally blunted
- reading and listening comprehension a bit impaired

All those points bettered a lot when changing from methylphenidate to d/l-amphetamine. I I think that methamphetamine would even yield better results.

What do you think?

Herakles
06-14-12, 07:25 PM
Is perhaps Deprenyl comparable?

relax21
06-15-12, 02:43 PM
What you list as issues while on other stimulants you will most likely run into similar issues while on methamphetamine. Methamphetamine is not without side-effects.

Perhaps your dose is too high on D,L-methylphenidate or D,L-amphetamine, which is why those issues are exacerbated?

Have you tried D-amphetamine or just D,L-amphetamine? You might have better results on D-amphetamine.

It would be nearly impossible to get a script for Desoxyn, so if I were you I would look at other alternatives.

Deprenyl might be a good option, but I don't think it's been studied on patients with ADHD. It partly metabolizes into L-amphetamine and L-methamphetamine.

I would say try lower doses or try D-amphetamine... Every drug has its pros and cons, you just have to deal with the cons unless they are unbearable. Hope things work out.

Herakles
06-15-12, 03:49 PM
I really have problems to find out the right dose.
I only take 5mg of amphetamine and every 3 hours when I remark that it gets too hard to understand what people are saying or when understanding written things, I take again 5 mg. Sometimes I take 10 mg in the morning and wait 5 hours for the next 5 mgs. With 10mg, I'm able to understand people the best and can think much better. But it seems that also my body and my behavior gets speedy.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to take smaller doses in less time, to see what happens.
But unfortunately the pharmacies need to make the capsules by themselves and more capsules are more effort for them and that would double the price.

Also my doc is some kind of an *******, he won't prescribe me D-amphetamine. He said that D-amphetamine isn't the standard treatment and he won't give it to me. I don't understand his reasoning in this case. Fortunately he gives me D/L-Amphetamine, so he isn't that a big ******* like all the other docs I tried here in Germany. Even in university clinic the said that its very uncommon to use amphetamines and they would only prescribe methylphenidate.

I was reading that methamphetamine won't emotionally blunt you is that right? Can you tell me which side effects you experience?
Also I heard that it sometimes makes you tired and relaxed, so if the dosage isn't right you won't feel anxious and speedy.


Often it is reported that with methamphetamine the thinking is the clearest. This is my biggest problem, that my working memory is so slow. Listening and reading is so exhaustive. Taking meds it gets better but its not perfect. Its very difficult to say for me if this is a side effect or if the efficacy of the meds isn't the best or the corresponding part of the nervous system needs more training because it couldn't develop fully.


I was reading of D-Deprenyl which seems to have not the side effects of the amphemines but has the good ones. Also D-Deprenyl is more effective than L-Deprenyl because it transforms to D-amphetamine and D-Methamphetamine.

I found some studies using Deprenyl with patients with ADHD and they sound promising. Here in Germany it seems much easier to get on it than on methylphenidate and a lot more easier than on D/L-amphetamine.

But what I fear is the potential long term issues. I can't find anything. Theres not much information out there. The only informations are about how good it is in the short term. Also informations might be very biased.
It's a bit like with modafinil. There was a big hype about it and studies showed how little the side effects are. But when there was an investigation by an EU-Commitee or something similiar, the pharma companies had to hand them over their reports about the side effects which occurred outside of the clinical trials and were reported to them by the docs or the patients. The Commitee concluded that the cost-benefit isn't that good anymore and now the only indication for modafinil is narcolepsyt. In some cases there were reported severe side effects which were detered from the public. Patients died and I think some healthy persons got irreversible heart damage.

Ridgerunner
06-15-12, 06:11 PM
Herakles,

This data is from the international authority on ethical pharmaceuticals, prescribed, in "forty" (40) of the more industrialized countries, in the modern world. Hostile countries, such as Iran, Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq,
as well as, many third world countries, such as every country in Africa, "ex-cluding South Africa, which is listed in the "Martindale Extra Pharmacopoeia" since the 1st edition, (1883), to the 36th edition (2009) which has grown into now a 2 volume set, and, formerly published every 3 years or more, is now published, every other year, over 3,000 pages of data, published by Pharmaceutical Press, with hqdtrs in London, UK, and,
a printing office, in Grayslake, Illinois, USA, on authority of the Royal
Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain: that being said......................

"Desoxyn" a tradename for Methamphetamine Hydrochloride, once marketed
widely, by Abbott Labs, of North Chicago, Illinois, sold, the licensing rights to Ovation Pharmaceuticals, in 1999, and it is still available in the USA, in a 5 mg tablet, but the price per pill, went, "way up" when Ovation, took over production of Methamphetamine, the the USA.

Technically, Methamphetamine tablets, was, formerly available, by Abbott
in one country in South America, from the years 2003, until, 2008, (five
years), as, "Cidrin Escanol", but the manufacturer, withdrew that med,
from the market, in the country of Chile, four years ago.

Note: the Martindale, covers only a minority of countries, in South America, and Latin America, (south of Mexico), thus, I am not aware, if it is available, in some of those 3rd world countries or not, I seriously doubt it. Martindale, covers, Mexico, Chile, Venezuela, Argentina, and Brazil. Other
countries, such as Peru, Colombia, Bolivia, Ecuador, and, most of Africa, and most of the Middle East, are not covered, the exceptions, again, are,
"South Africa", the United Arab Emirates, India, Malaysia, Philippines, and parts now of Japan, Thailand.

Desoxyn NDC 67386-0102-01 had a Average Wholesale Price in 2009, of
$381.65 cents for one bottle of five (5mg) tablets. The retail mark-up is usually 20% above that in USA pharmacies, cash price with a RX.

Sadly, it was marketed in the USA by approximatley one dozen manufacturers, 40 years ago, in the USA. Source, PDR's 1968 page 242, and PDR's from 1969 to 1973.
1. Abbott, then had Meth HCI in 5 mg I/R, plus 10mg and 15 mg tabs, white, pink, and yellow embossed with the small letter "a" plus, 5mg capsule, green, and 10mg, and 15 mg. tabs called "Desbutal Gradumet" containing different strength doses of I/R Pentobarbital.
2. Robins Pharma "Ambar"
3. Palmedico Pharma "Amphaplex"
4. Schering Pharma "Coriforte"
5. Mission Pharma "Fetamin"
6. B.W. and Company "Methedrine"
7. Massengil Pharma "Obedrin" and "Obedrin LA"
8. Lemmon Pharmaceuticals "Obestat Ty Med"
9. Boyle Pharma " Opidice"
10. Parke Davis Pharmaceuticals "Phelantin Kapseals"
11. Cole Pharma "Phetobese"
12 Metro Med Pharma. "Span-RD"

We can thank our BNDD, and, since 1973, the USA DEA for and the USA
press for demonizing "Methamphetamine" just like demonizing Cocaine
HCI, a C-II rarely dispensed for eye surgury, due to the street and once
high public demand for street Cocaine, exported to the USA, from Colombia, and, more so now, from Mexico, via Colombia, SA, and, the
"Crank" that has been available on the black market since the 1960's,
once all controlled by fierce biker gangs.....always in doses, like Cocaine
with "no quality control standards" and, used exclusively for recreational use, but, the stigma, destroyed, the ethical use of Methamphetamine, for
ethical pharmceutical use, IMHO, as the USA 1980's War on Drugs, formerly
on "illicit Cocaine" and "illicit Methaqualone" (the latter once made by the late Pablo Escobar gang) in South America, to the here and now, the war on drugs was lost on Cocaine, IMHO, and, our DEA, has switched the War on Drugs to ethical phamaceuticals, targeting, especially, Oxy Contin, and
other preparations, of Oxycodone, and, apparently, all forms of instant
release, or intermediate release, amphetamine and d-amphetamine tablets, coupled with corporate greed and manipulation, from the few manufacturers left, many feel ShireUS, is as guilty, as our DEA, on this
debatable, very controversial subject, in the USA, in the past 3+ years, on
stimulants, as well, as, a 10 year+ battle with another ethical pharmaceutical, oxycodone.

Herakles
06-18-12, 11:40 AM
Hey ridgerunner,
thank you for your post. It seems to be a very bad situation. I ask myself how it is possible that the war against drugs is possible swaps over to the war against medicine treatments. I can't really imagine that. For what reason would they do that? Also there seems to be a lot of money in stimulant treatment.

Can you tell me how much 5 mg tablets are in a bottle?

Perhaps, you also might tell me if you have something written about D-Deprenyl.
I almost can't find anything about that substance. Only one firm which sells research chemicals and they sell 2 mg for more than 200$. :-D

relax21
06-18-12, 09:35 PM
There are 100 5mg tablets per bottle. If dextroamphetamine is available in Germany I would pursue that, if I were you. Much better overall symptom relief than methamphetamine, in my opinion. Methamphetamine is complicated to dose, because it's very subtle in effect.

I really have problems to find out the right dose.
I only take 5mg of amphetamine and every 3 hours when I remark that it gets too hard to understand what people are saying or when understanding written things, I take again 5 mg. Sometimes I take 10 mg in the morning and wait 5 hours for the next 5 mgs. With 10mg, I'm able to understand people the best and can think much better.

You'll most likely encounter the same problem with dosing on methamphetamine. I can't seem to string a sentence together when I'm rebounding and I find that redosing doesn't help but only briefly.

Yellow
06-19-12, 09:33 AM
if you're in germany, just hop over into holland, try it first, or u sound like you already might have? haha

then see if all the legwork you want to make to get meth is worth it. running around the world to get a meth script is a lil.....hmmm.....how do i put it? well lets just say, "much"

(ps, id just stick to dex/adderall or ritalin/focalin for ur therapeutic needs)

Herakles
06-19-12, 10:32 PM
I'm thinking big. I take stimulants since I'm 8. And I think I will take them for a lot of years more. What I'm doing is investing in my life quality.

How do I get Desoxyn in Netherlands. Or do you mean Crystal (street drug)?

I'm doing lots of sports now. Often more than 5 times a week. How a change from d/l-amphetamine to dexedrine will affect this? Will I have less physical energy?

If desoxyn is only available in 5 mg tablets it would be very difficult do dose I think. Now I'm taking 5 mg d/l-amphetamine, which means probably 2,5 mg dexedrine. What would that be in dexmeth?

Are you sure with the working memory thing? That is why I wan't to take it. How much better got it when you took methamphetamine? Do I understand you right, it gets only better when the substance is flooding your brain? I experienced these moments as the best before reaching the peak of the effect. But perhaps this has to do something with mood also. Makes strong flooding addiction? Perhaps I might try something like 2.5 mg d/l-amphetamine every 1.5 hours and see which effect it will have.

LucasNL
06-20-12, 08:37 AM
Doctors in the Netherlands won't prescribe Dex to anyone who doesn't permanently reside in the Netherlands, because Dex is like Desoxyn is in the US. Although Dextro-amphetamine was prescribed in the Netherlands during the 70's and possibly the 80's, it has been since banned and didn't become available again untill 2006, when only 156 people received a prescription for it. The number of people who received a prescription for Dex has risen to 4.306 in 2010, but compared to the 141.520 for Methylphenidate that's only a miniscule fraction (source: GIP Databank (http://www.gipdatabank.nl/index.asp?scherm=tabellenFrameSet&infoType=g&tabel=01-basis&item=N06BA)). Except for a couple of specialists doctors in the Netherlands don't even know Dex is available for prescription, and the ones who do know and prescribe it will only do so after first having prescribed Methylphenidate for an extended period before trying Dex.

However, due to the recent EU laws that have been enacted in the new millenium, co-operation between EU countries regarding medical expertise and pharmaceutical products has become much more improved. Because of this it's now relatively easy for a pharmacy in one EU country to order pharmaceuticals from another EU country. So if you do manage to persuade your doc to have him prescribe Dex to you, your pharmacy can it order it from a pharmacy in the Netherlands. Dex IR has been commercialy available for a few years now and since a few months Dex XR has become available as well. I also now Venvanse(lisdexamfetamine) has now become available in the EU, which might be another viable alternative to Desoxyn, because its molecular make-up inherently makes it a slow-release drug which provides a much steadier effect and less rebound.

Anyway, good luck and keep us informed of any news you have, d-meth will also be useful to many others in Europe to who it could be greatly beneficial and who don't receive enough benefit from their current ADD meds. Sigma-Aldrich sells d-meth for €112 per 5 grams so if a pharmacy could custom compound it into capsules or tablets, you'd have an insanely cheap and easy to aquire alternative to Desoxyn, if you can find any doctors who'd prescribe it and pharmacies who'd compound it. If Dex XR doesn't turn out to be effective enough, that's a possibility my doc would consider, hopefully inspiring other doctors in the Netherlands and throughout Europe to consider it as well. We'll see.

Ridgerunner
02-27-13, 12:52 PM
Hey ridgerunner,
thank you for your post. It seems to be a very bad situation. I ask myself how it is possible that the war against drugs is possible swaps over to the war against medicine treatments. I can't really imagine that. For what reason would they do that? Also there seems to be a lot of money in stimulant treatment.

Can you tell me how much 5 mg tablets are in a bottle?

Perhaps, you also might tell me if you have something written about D-Deprenyl.
I almost can't find anything about that substance. Only one firm which sells research chemicals and they sell 2 mg for more than 200$. :-D

Herakles,
I have been away from this forum for nearly a yr. sorry for the delayed reply.
Deprenyl Citrate (Discovery) was offered in a 12 ML bottle of 300mg for US $75.00, and, Deprenyl HCL (Jumex) was offered in bottles of 50 or 200 tabs by
International Aging Systems in the Channel Islands of UK several years ago. I do not know of the current status. "Jumex" was US 39.00/US $145
Desoxyn, made now by Ovation Pharma, only comes in bottles of 100 tabs, for$381.68 US NDC code 67386-0102-01. Average Wholesale Price year 2009.