View Full Version : Testing for Autism/Aspergers in Adults


JamalJ
07-05-12, 08:04 PM
http://glennrowe.net/BaronCohen/Faces/EyesTest.aspx

Why did no one post this test here yet?

It is believed that people with Autism/Aspergers have weak mirror neurons and, because of that, cant feel their own emotions or other people's emotions (source: social intelligence).

The test linked above has photos of eyes and you have to guess which emotions the person is displaying. Score low enough, and you have Aspergers or Autism. Score high and you have a lot of emotional and social intelligence.

Just took that test now, got 31/36.

Fortune
07-06-12, 12:53 AM
I think the mirror neuron thing hasn't held up in later studies. One example being this article (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18837-mirror-neurons-seen-behaving-normally-in-autism.html).

Anyway, that test can't be used to rule out or diagnose autism spectrum disorders, nor does a high score necessarily reflect a lot of emotional and social intelligence. For example, it appears that people with BPD may score higher than neurotypicals on this test (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19460187).

crystal8080
07-06-12, 01:14 AM
i got 27/36.

most of the ones I got wrong...I thought were more negative than they were.

ana futura
07-06-12, 01:42 AM
I did much better than I thought I would, I got 33, but it was really hard! Is this supposed to be easy for most people? I think I have a lot of trouble with feeling "connected" to my own emotions. I wouldn't say that I'm "emotionally intelligent", but I also don't seem to have difficulty deciphering the emotions of others. I spent years taking figure drawing courses, I'm sure that helps.

I had the most trouble with women. I kept thinking they were panicked or impatient when they were actually fantasizing or interested. That has to mean something...

Fortune
07-06-12, 01:51 AM
If you can identify the emotion, can you explain why that person might be expressing that emotion?

ana futura
07-06-12, 01:55 AM
Maybe my aptitude at this explains why I'm so easily bothered by other people's emotional states. I'm disconnected from my own emotions, yet I'm also highly in tune the emotions of others. Emotion doesn't really make any sense to me so I shut it down, but I'm also very good at reading it. I'm like if Spock and Deanna Troi had a child.

ana futura
07-06-12, 01:55 AM
If you can identify the emotion, can you explain why that person might be expressing that emotion?

I don't know. Maybe? A lot of the time I felt like I was guessing. I kept relating the faces to faces I've seen in movies. Sometimes I thought the answer was "happy", but "happy" wasn't an option, it was all things like terrified and aghast. I still got it right somehow.

Fortune
07-06-12, 02:00 AM
Well, a guess doesn't have to be accurate. I just mean, when I look at these pictures I see eyes. I can analyze them and make guesses as to the intended emotion, but I scored ~18 when I first took this.

One thing someone else described was how she would look at the eyes and come up with this entire story about what's going on. The idea of looking at pictures and actually coming up with a story like that strikes me as very much not me.

ana futura
07-06-12, 02:08 AM
Well, a guess doesn't have to be accurate. I just mean, when I look at these pictures I see eyes. I can analyze them and make guesses as to the intended emotion, but I scored ~18 when I first took this.

One thing someone else described was how she would look at the eyes and come up with this entire story about what's going on. The idea of looking at pictures and actually coming up with a story like that strikes me as very much not me.

Yes, I did do the story thing. It wasn't that involved, but if I was stuck I would try to see that face acting out a scene in a movie.

Fortune
07-06-12, 02:12 AM
I think this is more involved:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/152278/social_attribution_task/

The idea is to watch the action and describe it using as many social elements as possible.

ana futura
07-06-12, 02:18 AM
Ok, that was very easy for me. That big triangle is a jerk.

Fortune
07-06-12, 02:21 AM
When I watched it I saw shapes moving around, noted that two of them appeared to fight, although I couldn't have said why, and then the triangle broke the large rectangle.

I showed it to a friend and she said it bothered her because the scene looked like domestic violence and child abuse.

ana futura
07-06-12, 02:51 AM
I showed it to a friend and she said it bothered her because the scene looked like domestic violence and child abuse.

Wow, I did not get that at all. I got that the big triangle was a grown up, and I thought the other two were playing, and then the big triangle was annoyed by the other two and told them to stop running around, and then there was a big chase scene were various shapes tried to trap each other in the rectangle, and finally the big triangle broke the rectangle trying to escape/ find the other two. I read them as cartoons, I thought it was funny.

Fortune
07-06-12, 02:57 AM
Yeah, that interpretation surprised me too.

Lisa_Mac
07-12-12, 04:27 AM
I only scored 24, but I feel sure that if I was in the presence of the person and was able to read the other body language, I would do much better. Reading just eye expression is just too one dimensional. Not a very good test in my opinion.

Lx

Fortune
07-12-12, 04:33 AM
I only scored 24, but I feel sure that if I was in the presence of the person and was able to read the other body language, I would do much better. Reading just eye expression is just too one dimensional. Not a very good test in my opinion.

Lx

Some studies involving that test found that NTs and autistic people averaged very similar scores. It's really not a very good test.

arrested_truth
07-12-12, 12:14 PM
Scored 23/36... not surprising. I was having a hard time choosing between the 4 emotion choices because I'd be looking for one that wasn't listed.

Fortune
07-12-12, 01:02 PM
This site has several tests used to evaluate the possibility of an ASD (http://www.aspietests.org/). Most are screening tools, not diagnostic.

lordmarcusuk
09-24-12, 07:00 AM
People with AS tent to avoid eye contact so maybe that’s why we don’t pick up there emotions? This just shows if you do look at someone eyes you will pick up there emotions.

ConcertaParent
11-24-12, 02:49 PM
I was pleasantly surprised that I also got 31.
"You are very accurate at decoding a person's facial expressions."

I am a winning poker player at casinos. I thought it was mainly because of being more mathematical, but maybe all that staring I do at my opponents gives me another edge subconsciously. Just took that test now, got 31/36.

Phoenix Ash
11-24-12, 06:35 PM
I scored a 29/36. I'm surprised it wasn't quite a bit worse, though. I tried to look at each picture and guess what it was before reading the possible answers. Most of the time my guess wasn't represented in the choices so I had to just play process of elimination to try to figure out the 'right' answer.

On the ones where I was wrong, 6/7 were because I guessed something more negative than it really was. I think that probably says more about my past (and maybe social anxiety) than it does about anything else.

Subtract81
11-24-12, 10:03 PM
Scored 29, probably could have done better had I not rushed through. Thought most were pretty obvious.

When I saw the big triangle I assumed it was a 'bully', after seeing the domestic violence comment I can see how they came to that, the size of the triangles isn't that relevant I don't think it is just the aggressive and invasive behavior vs avoidant, but without knowing the context could be any number of things, possibly the smaller shapes were dangerous or potentially harmful and the larger one was trying to protect the host, or neutralize them.

ConcertaParent
12-01-12, 07:57 AM
Thanks for the link. Has anybody tried and found these ASD tests useful?
This site has several tests used to evaluate the possibility of an ASD (http://www.aspietests.org/). Most are screening tools, not diagnostic.
I think the mirror neuron thing hasn't held up in later studies. One example being this article (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18837-mirror-neurons-seen-behaving-normally-in-autism.html). Ever since the neurofeedback clinic mentioned that my child may have a problem with mirror neurons, I've been trying to find out if it applies to treatment. There is a recent article in ScientificAmerican.com called "What’s So Special about Mirror Neurons?"

'the one conclusion that’s emerged loud and clear from all these debates is that mirror neurons aren’t the end-all of understanding, empathy, autism, or any other brain function. The closer we examine the parts these neurons play, the more we find ourselves peering between the cracks of these mental processes – watching them unravel into threads that run throughout the brain. It may very well turn out that “meaning” and “understanding” aren’t single processes at all, but tangled webs of processes involving motor emulation, abstract cognition, and other emotional and instinctual components whose roles we’re only beginning to guess.'

Fortune
12-01-12, 08:02 AM
Those tests are actual clinical tests, is my understanding. Some of them are for screening only, and some assist with a diagnosis. None is actually used to make a diagnosis, or at least they shouldn't be.