View Full Version : Segregating ADHD child in small room


sarahemook
10-26-12, 05:31 PM
i know there is a few asking same , ok here it goes and sorry for the spelling

my son josh now 6 has got bad adhd and is now waiting for austic people to see us , we knew that there was aproblem just after his mmr jabs . but was told to put in bad corner bla bla

primary 1 sent home early nearly every day, very high and could get to point that he was hitting and biting BUT ONLY WHEN THEY PINNED HIM DOWN they have been told NOT to do that to let him calm down . so with it coming to family fall out when school was told there was nobody to pick him up if sent home still phoned , so member of family picked him up with 3 people pinning him down , so we / school gor support workers down to help the staff cope . so end of primary 1 he was getting into class for short times and had some close girl friend .
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so we had a meeting before school( primary 2 ) and we had said a "time out room" so due to new primary 1 starting he got a small room , with a table and 3 chairs as he is 2;1 at all times a window that you can not see out off and hardly anything on walls . they stick to a time table to help him follow instructions . o yes and a time out chair in the time out room !!
we thought this room was TIME OUT but it is not he is in this room and is not allowed to be with the other class mates , we have been told its because he cant cope in class , i said i am not suprised been kept in that room and said about last year and was told that even then he should not have been allowed
health and safety thats why he cant even walk round class .

what can i suggest to school that they cant use heath and safty , the 2;1 has not got any qualifactions just your helper s within school . and he is in part time school .

LynneC
10-27-12, 10:53 AM
Sarah, what does 2:1 mean?
Is he kept isolated in that room with a teacher or aide, or is he in the room by himself?

SquarePeg
10-27-12, 11:14 AM
Iīm not sure I understand exactly whatīs going on here. Iīm not a fan of segregation, especially if it makes the child feel he is being punished, that serves no purpose.

However, I teach English to foreign children and having a disruptive pupil can mean the difference between everyone being able to learn something or the whole lesson being disrupted. I always try to involve a disruptive child from the beginning, helping me hand out sheets, and asking them an easy easy question so that they will answer correctly and feel good but despite this sometimes the childīs behaviour is so disruptive that the only answer is removal.

But sounds like your child is being sent to a cupboard with a naughty chair. This isnīt acceptable. You say you are being told that "he canīt cope in class". what does the teacher mean by this?

Lunacie
10-27-12, 11:56 AM
Very long post coming . . . hope the information is helpful.


My daughter is Autistic and had a very difficult time in 1st grade,
as they decided to mainstream her into the regular classroom without
an aide - and with the worst possible teacher for a kiddo like her.

We finally had a long talk with the principal after she had been put into
the in-school suspension room (desk, chair, no window) and had a
meltdown that lasted over two hours!

The principal recruited a new special ed teacher and we spent most of
2nd grade regaining lost ground.

There was a small room between the special ed room and the kindergarten
room with doors on it. The new teacher fixed it up with a soft sofa, a desk
and chair, and that became my granddaughter's room.

The door was left open and she could see the teacher but wasn't
distracted by the other kids in the room. If she had a meltdown she could
pound on the soft sofa.

In a couple of months she was ready to come back into the classroom,
with a divider places between her desk and the other desks, so she was
exposed to more noise but still very little visual distraction.

In a couple more months the divider was moved away and she was part
of the classroom again. If she felt a meltdown coming, she was free to
go into the little room again until she felt in control.

Kids with Autism almost always have Sensory Processing Disorder and the
noise and light and commotion in the classroom as well as the stress of
trying to do the work and learn new things can trigger meltdowns.

A great teacher and she got to stay in that class again for 3rd grade too.

Then she moved to the other special ed room for older kiddos, and a
teacher that wasn't so great - same special ed teacher from 1st grade.

And things began going downhill again. We eventually moved her to a
special school, and after a couple of months there, she is beginning to
adjust and do better.

They also do the pin down when she becomes violent - but we are
working with them to identify her triggers and help her calm before she
begins to lash out.

We've had some wonderful help from the local mental health clinic. They
spend a lot of time with my granddaughter and have never had to put her
in a safety hold. They are working with the school for us.



I don't believe the MMR vaccine has anything to do with the development
of Autism. Kids with Autism often regress at about the same age as the
MMR vaccine is given, it's just a coincidence.

Unlike some kids, my granddaughter had no language at all until she was 4
years old. So we didn't see a regression following the vaccine.

sarahemook
10-27-12, 12:20 PM
they wont even entertain him out of the small room i shall put it forward about a what they done with your grandchild but i think i will get the health and safety at me and lack of funds . there is indeed no proof of the mmr jab but will allways think what if , as we were not offered the injections one by one you were told about what could happen if you dont get it , and the fact that josh had a reaction with the injection .
josh was good with all goals like walking etc if anything was early with them .
thats what we thought the time out room was for but they dont want to take the risk of josh hits other children (tends to hit teachers/staff) as there could be big complaints made . thanks

sarahemook
10-27-12, 12:28 PM
2;1 he is with two aids all times , cant cope they can see him getting more and more stressed with whats going on round him like noise etc
that is kind of expected when kept in small room then tryed in class i dont think i would cope either . one extremism to the next .
i had suggested that even if the aids take him to class to walk round the class to get used to the noise people etc , but have refused

qanda
11-01-12, 11:37 PM
How does he handle crowds when with you, like shopping malls, grocery stores, large family gatherings, parties?

Lunacie
11-02-12, 08:13 AM
they wont even entertain him out of the small room i shall put it forward about a what they done with your grandchild but i think i will get the health and safety at me and lack of funds . there is indeed no proof of the mmr jab but will allways think what if , as we were not offered the injections one by one you were told about what could happen if you dont get it , and the fact that josh had a reaction with the injection .
josh was good with all goals like walking etc if anything was early with them .
thats what we thought the time out room was for but they dont want to take the risk of josh hits other children (tends to hit teachers/staff) as there could be big complaints made . thanks

My granddaughter did a lot of lashing out in 1st grade with the Very Bad
Teacher, throwing shoes and hitting her.

These behaviors stopped with the Wonderful Teacher in 2nd & 3rd grades.

And then . . . they started again in 4th grade when she moved to a
different special ed room with a not-so-great teacher.

This August we transferred her to a different school, but the scene was
already set and the transition was difficult as well.

So again with the lashing out and trying to hit and kick the staff.
Also with refusing to do the work and leaving the building.

So far she hasn't left the school grounds, but the staff was concerned
with that possibility at first, which only escalated the lashing out.

Now that they've seen she generally heads for the playground, they've
relaxed and don't agitate her further or put her into a safety hold.

But because of all this, she is not in the classroom with other kids.
She works one-on-one with a teacher and sometimes an aide as well.

It's been a difficult journey. None of the staff in either school seems to
know how to work with an Autistic child. It's so frustrating for everyone.


I don't remember my granddaughter having a reaction to the MMR vaccine.
Maybe some kids have an allergic reaction or something that triggers a
change in the brain from a mild disorder to one that is worse?

sarahemook
11-02-12, 09:16 AM
depending how he feels at the moment he is ok with crowds if not he runs and makes noises ,

today told not to take him home and back monday , she said she has put at least 25 reports reports for him with behavior , he says he is board don't really blame him. xx

LynneC
11-02-12, 01:15 PM
depending how he feels at the moment he is ok with crowds if not he runs and makes noises ,

today told not to take him home and back monday , she said she has put at least 25 reports reports for him with behavior , he says he is board don't really blame him. xx
Sarah, I'm sorry the school is so ill-equipped to be able to accomodate your son. Your son must be miserable in this environment. :(

Do you have any other options for him besides this school? Have you considered home-schooling?

When will he be tested for autism?

sarahemook
11-03-12, 07:27 AM
been phoning about the autism appointment but have got no ware could be 6 months or longer , and until we get answers from them nobody can really start dealing with it correct
there is other schools but we would just be faced with same problems , and proper school for likes of josh its a fair travel . have thought about home teaching i am not that clever but i think at this point i could do better and on the other hand its the only time i get to my self .`

LynneC
11-03-12, 08:31 PM
been phoning about the autism appointment but have got no ware could be 6 months or longer , and until we get answers from them nobody can really start dealing with it correct
there is other schools but we would just be faced with same problems , and proper school for likes of josh its a fair travel . have thought about home teaching i am not that clever but i think at this point i could do better and on the other hand its the only time i get to my self .`
Sarah, I'm sure you could do way better than what that school is doing, but you need to consider your own state of mind as well. Are there no services in your area that could provide you with a break for a few hours a day?

Any family that could help, or a sitter a few times a week maybe?

sarahemook
11-04-12, 06:31 AM
there is a group but you need to get social workers involved to access the group. so not sure about it yet . as i work a family member baby sits .

sarahemook
11-09-12, 01:03 PM
:confused:well excluded 3 times in one week !!!!!!!!!!!!!! how can the school deal with him kicking .:(

LynneC
11-09-12, 02:33 PM
:confused:well excluded 3 times in one week !!!!!!!!!!!!!! how can the school deal with him kicking .:(
Sarah, they sound awful; so sorry you are going through this... :(

ginniebean
11-09-12, 02:45 PM
Surely your child has educational rights, from the sounds of it, and I am not sure what they are in the uk but this seems like a violation of even basic human rights.

There must be a special education specialist who is not connected to that school who can tell you what your child at bare minimum should be able to have. He has two aids to be with him at all times and they can't manage in a classroom? Suspiocious. They are writing him up for behaviour? Sounds like they don't have the first clue what they are doing.


You definitely need more information about the rights of your child in the school system. Something smells really really bad.

ginniebean
11-09-12, 03:00 PM
http://www.autism.org.uk/our-services/advice-and-information-services/education-rights-service/useful-resources-in-advocacy-and-special-needs-education.aspx


http://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2010/07/16/delay-in-providing-for-special-educational-needs-does-not-breach-convention-right-to-education-says-supreme-court/

http://www.csie.org.uk/inclusion/education-disability.shtml


http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/education_e/education_support_for_learning_ew/special_educational_needs.htm

mirandatoritess
11-09-12, 11:45 PM
Seperating a child with problems can damaging to the childīs self esteam. They may think that they are "dumb". They may also be subject to the teasing of their peers. I had that happen to me.

sarahemook
11-12-12, 07:05 AM
i am just confused on what to do or where we stand , as they have answers for everything . and each person involved will stick up for each other . think this might get worse than what it allready is .

Lunacie
11-12-12, 08:58 AM
We take everyone we can with us to school meetings - the therapist, the
case managers at the mental health clinic, the parent support person.

That way we don't feel powerless and like we can't possible stand up
against the half-dozen people the school brings to these meetings.

And we try not to make it a battle but try to remember we are all working
to find a solution together.

We've had a couple of teachers who nod and agree during the meeting
and then don't implement any of the suggestions in the classroom.

It's certainly very frustrating.

sarahemook
11-12-12, 09:32 AM
:eyebrow:thats what we do aswell , but they all seem to back track on what they say or do . and as for people coming to school and us NOT knowing has really ****** me off . nor does the fact that sending him does not help the problem thats just going round it , they are a bit miffed that he does not kick at home , when he does i put my leg up to stop it so if i have hard shoes on its sore on him but as i said its at school . should have been nipped in the bud long time ago . and the fact we need to get social workers involved so he can go to a club is a ******* joke just somebody else to poke there nose in . been asked to go to a parents course but at same time to keep my gob shut as a lot of things we have tryed dont work or only work for a couple of weeks . but i might get some tips . wow thinks its help at school they need it.:eyebrow: