View Full Version : Genes and Environ. in ADHD (Split from Allergies Thread)


mildadhd
03-06-13, 10:22 AM
Yes, allergies have a genetic link. But if you were never exposed to the
thing, you wouldn't ever know it. Sometimes all it takes is one exposure.
More often it takes several exposures, with the allergy getting worse each
time.

Everything in our lives is interconnected. No one here has made any claims
that ADHD or anything else is solely caused by inherited genetics. This is
getting soooooo old.

I don't care which came first - the chicken or the egg - I'm grateful for any
and all research that leads to better diagnostics, better treatments and,
maybe for my great-grandkids, prevention. Of allergies and mental health
disorders.


Don't you think it is important to know what environmental factors there are to get best treatment possible?

Why don't you feel when someone writes about the genetic factors of ADD that it is getting "soooooo old."

I find the environmental factors the most exciting part.

Although I am certainly interested in them both, they are intertwined.

That is where the best treatment options would be found.

Especially when we can't change the genes, but we can change the environment.

Why would discussing the environment bore you.

We haven't even begin to understand the environment conditions.

Don't you think we should?

Why discourage the topic?

I'm sorry I don't understand?

Why do some people keep saying environment has little effect in ADD?

I think when people ignore environmental issues affecting ADD,

is a huge barrier in understanding proper treatment and understanding the origins of ADD.


Nothing old about it in my opinion.




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mildadhd
03-06-13, 10:37 AM
Why does members ,

thank you, when you say they are intertwined,

then argue against environmental topics like attachment and stress?

This happens all the time.

I could give you lots of examples, but I am sure you know this already.

It makes no sense to me.

If environment and genetics are intertwined,

why do people get upset when I discuss environmental factors in a thread about genetics?

If they really think they are intertwined, what is wrong with discussing the environmental factors in a genetic thread?

This is very upsetting to me.

maybe if people supported the intertwinement.

Then we could move on, from the obvious question that ADD is both environment and genetically influenced.

Why don't you say something when people argue against environmental factors?

I'm adopted, don't you see why these envrionmental stress and attachment topics are important to me?

When people say environment stress and attachment are not a factors,

is like punching me in the face.

It hurts so much that I would think actually being punched in the face a better alternative.

How many adopted people have ADD?

A lot.

Environmental factors affect us all in some way.

Down playing the role of environment is a huge barrier, in many of us getting better treatment.

Why can't some people see this?





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Lunacie
03-06-13, 10:37 AM
Don't you think it is important to know what environmental factors there are to get best treatment possible?

What? Where did I say that it's not important to know about environmental
factors? I'd be fascinated to read some replicable research into how those
environmental factors can lead to better treatment. Do you know of any?



Why don't you feel when someone writes about the genetic factors of ADD that it is getting "soooooo old."

Both are interesting to me. And anything else to do with ADHD, it's causes,
and it's impact on our lives.

Unfortunately I haven't seen much interesting research into environmental
factors. About the only information I've seen on the impact of environment
on ADHD is quotes from Dr. Mate.

I'm not saying his viewpoint isn't interesting, but there isn't any replicable
research there, just quotes from the same books over and over.

It's not new, it's not interesting, it's not changing anything.[/quote]



I find the environmental factors the most exciting part.

I am interested in them both.

Really? Because every time someone mentions the genetic factors, you
interject some opinion about environmental factors, rather than discussing
the genetic factors.



Because that is where the best treatment options would be found.

Especially when we can't change the genes, but we can change the environment.

Why would discussing the environment bore you.

We haven't even begin to understand the environment conditions.

don't you think we should?

Why discourage the topic?

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When we know the way in which the environment plays into the impairment
of ADHD, there will be something worth discussing. For now, there doesn't
seem to be any replicable research worth discussing. Do you know of any?

mildadhd
03-06-13, 11:30 AM
Really? Because every time someone mentions the genetic factors, you
interject some opinion about environmental factors, rather than discussing
the genetic factors.-Lunacie

Lets start here.(I plan to respond to all your questions)

If environment and genetics are intertwined,

if there is a thread about genetics,

and nobody mentions the intertwined environmental factors.

Then the genetic topics are only part of the story.

Why not discuss the whole story,

for the most accurate picture?

If I discuss environment only,( which I don't)

I would not have a problem people mentioning that hereditary is part of the picture.

In fact I would encourage looking at the whole picture.

ADD is not genetic.

ADD is genetic and environment.

Intertwined.

Giving the perception that ADD is genetic only is false.




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mildadhd
03-06-13, 11:42 AM
Lunacie,

I am not finished answering your questions.

I have a question for you.

What is the intertwined parts?

What do you mean by intertwined, when you say genetic and environmental part are intertwined, specifically?

Lunacie
03-06-13, 11:52 AM
Lets start here.(I plan to respond to all your questions)

If environment and genetics are intertwined,

if there is a thread about genetics,

and nobody mentions the intertwined environmental factors.

Then the genetic topics are only part of the story.

Why not discuss the whole story,

for the most accurate picture?

If I discuss environment only,( which I don't)

I would not have a problem people mentioning that hereditary is part of the picture.

In fact I would encourage looking at the whole picture.

ADD is not genetic.

ADD is genetic and environment.

Intertwined.

Giving the perception that ADD is genetic only is false.




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An example:
Both food and sleep are important parts of living a health life.

If someone starts a thread discussing food, why would it be necessary to
bring in the topic of sleep? Maybe start a new thread on the topic of sleep.

Yes, they are both important to overall health, but we can certainly discuss
each one separately without diminishing the importance of the other one.

I don't think that discussing only genetic factors in a thread diminishes the
importance of environmental factors in any way.

The fact is, we have more information on genetic factors than environmental
ones, so it's only natural that there will be more discussion on the genetic
information.

mildadhd
03-06-13, 12:32 PM
An example:
Both food and sleep are important parts of living a health life.

If someone starts a thread discussing food, why would it be necessary to
bring in the topic of sleep? Maybe start a new thread on the topic of sleep.

Yes, they are both important to overall health, but we can certainly discuss
each one separately without diminishing the importance of the other one.

I don't think that discussing only genetic factors in a thread diminishes the
importance of environmental factors in any way.

The fact is, we have more information on genetic factors than environmental
ones, so it's only natural that there will be more discussion on the genetic
information.

I have no problem if someone brings up the topic of food, sleep, environment or genes in any post related to ADD.

They are all very important "angles".

Some Members do it here all the time.

And I am so greatful for there insight.

A few years ago some members where telling those members that where interested in discussed food (blood sugar, importance of diet, sleep, meditation, breathing, etc),

there is no research.

No! "ADD is genetic."

Good thing those interested members stuck to there true knowledge,

because there help really really really helps me.

I can go without medication without throwing tantrums,

by practicing breathing techniques,

by eating better I can improve my depression, lessen my hyperactivity, and have normal bowel movements, better energy.

Life changing! ( I am still ADD, still sensitive, but being aware makes things better.)

All caused by having sensitivity, that resulting in ADD.

(this sensitivity can be hereditary in nature, but not always, it can also be cause by extreme stress, or a combination of both)

depends on individual circumstances.

When a person who has ADD related to experienced extreme stress is told that ADD is genetic. Is not true.


I also learned from a group of members physiologically and emotionally why, and can explain.

Did you know that when a person literally stands up (vertical),

they activate the the sympathetic response (speed up),

and if the same person lays down(horizontal), they activate a parasympathetic response (slow down).

There are tonnes of fascinating things like this to discuss.

Especially when discussing a Neurological Condition like ADD.



I thank these people for speaking up when others where disgreeing.

They have literally improved my life.

Along with Methyphenidate (ritalin), when I started taking ritalin,

I used to get really irratible when I didn't take the ritalin

I still need methylphenidate to focus when I read.

But I don't need to take it, all the time now.

I still do when I need it.


I admit that understanding genetic hereditary parts is important.

They are part of the picture.


Question #2

If we know more about genetics than environment,

and we both agree that genes and environment do matter,

then would it make sense to focus on the environmental parts we need to learn more about?

How could something we need to learn more about be considered ,

"sooooold".


Wouldn't moving on mean learning about what we don't know?


I am 130% sure, Dr.Mate, Dr.Barkley, Dr. Hallowell, and other ADD researchers.

Consider environment along with genetics.

When people give the impression ADD is genetic without environment, emotions...

It gives them the impression there is nothing we can do.

There is lots we can do.





(I plan to answer all of your questions today)

KellySG
03-06-13, 12:50 PM
My husband and I have no allergies but our 3rd child has MANY. She was born early. Its the only reason I can think of as to why she has them. None of my other kids have any.

Conman
03-06-13, 01:01 PM
like many things, im pretty sure allergies can have genetic ties or be completely genetic in some cases, but there also plenty of people in the world who seemingly have no genetic basis for allergies at all.

when i was 5 or 6 i got the allergy skin test thing, i tested all 26 out of 26. go figure. practically allergic to anything.

today, im only allergic to cats/dogs if im in a place with a high concentration of them (like a house that has 5 cats and 2 dogs for example). if its one cat or one dog, no problem just so long as i dont rub my eyes before washing hands at some point (i usually use my non-petting hand).

however what doesnt make sense is im allergic to my grandma's shih tzu (****zu) since she got it and it's apparently a Hypoallergenic dog, and im allergic to it. whatever, i hate 99% of toydogs anyway.

pollen is a nightmare for me. springtime is my hell when it starts. im mostly allergic to plants now, although go figure, i have no clue which ones specifically.

there are a few people in my family who have much more severe allergies to animals than me, but allergies are not widespread. my dad's allergic to penicillin and me and bro are fine, only like 3 people total (out of 25) on my moms side actually have allergies

dresser
03-06-13, 01:13 PM
I could sit on the toilet for a very very long time fluctuating on all the probability, the lefts,N the rights the migration the food has taken the??? the point is that unless I take some action and wipe I"m goin to be sittin there for a loooooong time or be verry noticible when I get up and leave. A journy of 10,000 miles only takes 1 houre of talk about the doin, but over 1,000 hrs of doin the shoein. talkin aint going to get me to
the solution, dstination, action is. The U.S.A. had a president that had a singhn on his desk that said N I quote: " the buck stops here" why cant we ADDers set up some guide
lines, oppinion N facts to prsent ot the medical, pharmicsuticl. we use "there" methods
we are conditioned do I realy need a docter to tell me Im sick

Lunacie
03-06-13, 01:24 PM
I have no problem if someone brings up the topic of food, sleep, environment or genes in any post related to ADD.

They are all very important "angles".


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(I plan to answer all of your questions today)

It is considered forum etiquette to keep your posts related to the topic
that is posted for that thread. If you are more interested in the connection
between all the angles, then start a new thread to discuss the connection.

Even if you feel it's all related and you should be able to talk about
everything in a thread about just one thing, it's annoying to those who
read the title and were expecting a discussion on the subject in the title.


Were you really wondering if allergies are caused by inherited genetics?

Or were you trying to make the point yet again that everything is intertwined?

If it's all about allergies, then I'm sorry for going off-topic.

mildadhd
03-06-13, 01:53 PM
It is considered forum etiquette to keep your posts related to the topic
that is posted for that thread. If you are more interested in the connection
between all the angles, then start a new thread to discuss the connection.

Even if you feel it's all related and you should be able to talk about
everything in a thread about just one thing, it's annoying to those who
read the title and were expecting a discussion on the subject in the title.


Were you really wondering if allergies are caused by inherited genetics?

Or were you trying to make the point yet again that everything is intertwined?

If it's all about allergies, then I'm sorry for going off-topic.

Lunacie,

No worries,


Here is my opening post below.




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Are allergy sensitivities genetic?

I think they could be.


Does that mean there is no environmental factors in allergies?





Should I start a different thread about my own opening post question?



What is an allergy without environmental factors?

Get my point?

What if I am allergic to cats, and there are no cats?


ADDers are allergic to stress physically and emotionally.

So much so, we become more impaired when we think about stress.

Attachment is mandatory for survival of all infant mammals.

No attachment, No survival, Mandatory.

Sensitivity can be hereditary.

But why do ADDers not all have the same allergies.

We have physical allergies and emotional allergies.

We are more sensitive to the environment. Hyper reactive

When I wash the house with a wet cloth I feel better because there is less dust.

I am allergic to cats if I touch or hang around where they live.

The same emotionally reactive over sensitive physical nature that causes ADD.

Interacts with the environment,

equals the result.

That is why we all have slightly different results.
















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mildadhd
03-06-13, 02:19 PM
My husband and I have no allergies but our 3rd child has MANY. She was born early. Its the only reason I can think of as to why she has them. None of my other kids have any.


This is also possible.

I don't now KellySG.

Hi KellySG, Nice to meet you.

I am not speaking about your family specifically.

But there does seem to be some evidence that chemical exposure in previous generations.

Can epigenetically skip a generation.

There is many reasons to be born more physically and emotionally over sensitive.

What I am curious about is the relationship between the sensitivity and the expression.

Lunacie
03-06-13, 02:31 PM
That's what I thought. The thread title is misleading.

It's like "bait & switch" advertising. From the thread title, posters think this is about allergies, but you were comparing how allergies develop to how ADHD develops. You just weren't clear about that.

mildadhd
03-06-13, 02:31 PM
like many things, im pretty sure allergies can have genetic ties or be completely genetic in some cases, but there also plenty of people in the world who seemingly have no genetic basis for allergies at all.

when i was 5 or 6 i got the allergy skin test thing, i tested all 26 out of 26. go figure. practically allergic to anything.

today, im only allergic to cats/dogs if im in a place with a high concentration of them (like a house that has 5 cats and 2 dogs for example). if its one cat or one dog, no problem just so long as i dont rub my eyes before washing hands at some point (i usually use my non-petting hand).

however what doesnt make sense is im allergic to my grandma's shih tzu (****zu) since she got it and it's apparently a Hypoallergenic dog, and im allergic to it. whatever, i hate 99% of toydogs anyway.

pollen is a nightmare for me. springtime is my hell when it starts. im mostly allergic to plants now, although go figure, i have no clue which ones specifically.

there are a few people in my family who have much more severe allergies to animals than me, but allergies are not widespread. my dad's allergic to penicillin and me and bro are fine, only like 3 people total (out of 25) on my moms side actually have allergies


Wow, I am so curious to know why?

I am kind of the opposite, (when it comes to those tests, because I am mildly allergic to things that don't show up as allergic.)

:scratch:


But dust mites swelled big time,

cats less.

One Doctor said something about missing an enzyme, but for some reason I never looked up what that means, not sure why I don't want to?

:scratch:

Enzymes Supplements made me feel better,

but not the entire sensitivity.

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mildadhd
03-06-13, 03:00 PM
That's what I thought. The thread title is misleading.

It's like "bait & switch" advertising. From the thread title, posters think this is about allergies, but you were comparing how allergies develop to how ADHD develops. You just weren't clear about that.


See this is just insulting.

If I asked is Autism genetic?

There would be no problem.

This thread is about allergies and ADD.

We are at a ADD Forum.

I don't get your point?

You come to my thread, give me advice about etiquette, then don't follow the advice you give.

The sensitivity resulting in ADD, is the same sensitivity that resulted in allergies.

If the allergies require and environment to react with.

So does ADD.

Your perspective seems to be leaning toward disagreement,

but you say you don't disagree.

Doesn't seem like a intertwined perspective to me.

Maybe that is why we are not seeing eye to eye.

I posted the opening post title, at the same time opening post.


Do you read the OP before you argue about them?


What is your reply the the opening post question?

Lunacie
03-06-13, 03:04 PM
If you're missing the right enzymes to digest milk, you're not actually
allergic to milk.

I've never been completely sure what the difference is between an allergy
and a sensitivity. I'm very sensitive to sand flea bites, but they don't cause
anaphylaxis, just unbearable itching.

I have seasonal allergies, that's what they're called. The only medication
that has ever helped me is Zyrtec. And I've tried a lot, prescription and OTC.

I've only had an anaphylactic reaction once, to a medication to treat high
blood pressure.

mildadhd
03-06-13, 03:06 PM
I could sit on the toilet for a very very long time fluctuating on all the probability, the lefts,N the rights the migration the food has taken the??? the point is that unless I take some action and wipe I"m goin to be sittin there for a loooooong time or be verry noticible when I get up and leave. A journy of 10,000 miles only takes 1 houre of talk about the doin, but over 1,000 hrs of doin the shoein. talkin aint going to get me to
the solution, dstination, action is. The U.S.A. had a president that had a singhn on his desk that said N I quote: " the buck stops here" why cant we ADDers set up some guide
lines, oppinion N facts to prsent ot the medical, pharmicsuticl. we use "there" methods
we are conditioned do I realy need a docter to tell me Im sick


Good Idea!


I learn from every person here.

Tonnes of unique perspectives.

We could do it to.

I'm going to go and sit on this topic for a while.

I will send a copy to the Prime Minister.

And the United Nations.




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Lunacie
03-06-13, 03:13 PM
See this is just insulting.

If I asked is Autism genetic?
There would be no problem.

This thread is about allergies and ADD.
We are at a ADD Forum.
I don't get your point?

You come to my thread, give me advice about etiquette, then don't follow the advice you give.

The sensitivity resulting in ADD, is the same sensitivity that resulted in allergies.
If the allergies require and environment to react with.
So does ADD.

Your perspective seems to be leaning toward disagreement,
but you say you don't disagree.
Doesn't seem like a intertwined perspective to me.
Maybe that is why we are not seeing eye to eye.

I posted the opening post title, at the same time opening post.
Do you read the OP before you argue about them?

What is your reply the the opening post question?

I answered the opening post - read post #4 on this thread.

In the poll, I chose "other" because I do think it's likely to be both, but
there was no option for "both."

The thread title and opening post were about allergies, but since I've read
so many of your posts I guessed that you were relating it to ADHD. Those
who haven't read your previous posts might not know that though.

If you asked "Is Autism genetic?" or "Is ADHD genetic?" you'd probably get
a lot of "yes it is" answers. That doesn't mean there aren't environmental
influences that may turn on or turn off certain genes.

But neither is there any research showing that the environment does that.
Not that I'm aware of anyway. I asked you twice if you know of any?

Lunacie
03-06-13, 03:18 PM
This study about whether allergies are genetic shows results that are very
similar to the studies that ask whether genetics are responsible for ADHD.
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f03/web3/m1teicher.html

mildadhd
03-06-13, 03:37 PM
I answered the opening post - read post #4 on this thread.

In the poll, I chose "other" because I do think it's likely to be both, but
there was no option for "both."

The thread title and opening post were about allergies, but since I've read
so many of your posts I guessed that you were relating it to ADHD. Those
who haven't read your previous posts might not know that though.

If you asked "Is Autism genetic?" or "Is ADHD genetic?" you'd probably get
a lot of "yes it is" answers. That doesn't mean there aren't environmental
influences that may turn on or turn off certain genes.

But neither is there any research showing that the environment does that.
Not that I'm aware of anyway. I asked you twice if you know of any?

So your answer is "yes" there is environmental factors that turn genes On and OFF?

And we both say many gene expressions are involved in developing ADD,

and your so curious about the genetic parts of ADD.


Why are you less curious about environment that could turn the genes ON or OFF?


Its like your saying a coin only has one side.


If you agree that ADD is intertwined with genetics, tell me what research you have to prove environment is intertwined.

You said you agreed.



Side Note: I will produce research for anyone who asks me but you just ignore it and say there is none.

I don't disagree their is genetic expression in ADD.

I think it is up to you show there is not environment.

Or stop telling be when I can, or can't stop discussing something,

you agree is intertwined with ADD.



If you put news that ADD is genetic and don't mention the environment.

Your going to get a reply every time.

That is my right.

I don't go around trying to **** people off.


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mildadhd
03-06-13, 03:48 PM
No wonder there is less known about environmental factors.

When people who say they believe in science,

don't believe a coin has two sides.

Telling people what they can and can't discuss.

Directly related to the topic.

Telling me not to discuss the topics that they admit could turn the genes related to the condition, ON or OFF?




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mildadhd
03-06-13, 04:06 PM
This study about whether allergies are genetic shows results that are very
similar to the studies that ask whether genetics are responsible for ADHD.
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f03/web3/m1teicher.html

Both, Allergies and ADD are the result of a relationship,

between the genes and the environment.

I'm not trying to be a buttox.


It is just the way it is.


Not environment

Not genetic

Environment and Genetic

Consider the relationship for prevention, severity, and treatment.


An allergy needs to be allergic to something in the environment for the hyperreaction to occur.

Gene Expression related to ADD, also requires an environment for the expression occur.

Until til someone proves otherwise.

(There is no brain damage in ADD.)

There is critical time of development before the age of 7 to 10.

Critical Periods of development.

The most critical period involving development of implicit/self regulation. (more specifically right hemisphere, right Orbito Frontal Cortex) is birth, to the age of 3

Genetic Sensitivity before birth probably occurs in the middle and lower (emotional) brain.

Affecting the development of the higher brain (self regulation brain)


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Lunacie
03-06-13, 04:54 PM
So your answer is "yes" there is environmental factors that turn genes On and OFF?

My answer was not "yes." More like "maybe" or "probably."


And we both say many gene expressions are involved in developing ADD,

and your so curious about the genetic parts of ADD.


Why are you less curious about environment that could turn the genes ON or OFF?


Its like your saying a coin only has one side.

I'm not less curious about environmental factors. But I haven't seen any
good research linking any particular factors to the development of the
ADHD genes.

I've asked you to share that information if you have it.
Doesn't that sound like I'm curious to read such research?



If you agree that ADD is intertwined with genetics, tell me what research you have to prove environment is intertwined.

You said you agreed.

I agreed that it's likely they are interconnected. As far as I'm aware there
isn't any proof.



Side Note: I will produce research for anyone who asks me but you just ignore it and say there is none.

I've been asking you for the research, but all I've seen are quotes from
Dr. Gabor Mate's books, which are not replicable research. What else do
you have?



I don't disagree their is genetic expression in ADD.

I think it is up to you show there is not environment.

Or stop telling be when I can, or can't stop discussing something,

you agree is intertwined with ADD.



If you put news that ADD is genetic and don't mention the environment.

Your going to get a reply every time.

That is my right.

I don't go around trying to **** people off.

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If you put news that UV rays cause skin cancer, what is the point in saying
that smoking causes lung cancer? Many things can trigger cancer, but isn't
it possible that there is something already in place that they trigger?

That's one problem that they've been coming at from the other direction.

It's possible that many things can cause ADHD, but research shows that
the genetics have to be in place first before those things MAY trigger the
ADHD. Why can't we simply have a discussion about the genetics since we
don't really understand what things in the environment trigger ADHD?

mildadhd
03-06-13, 05:31 PM
It's possible that many things can cause ADHD, but research shows that
the genetics have to be in place first before those things MAY trigger the
ADHD. Why can't we simply have a discussion about the genetics since we
don't really understand what things in the environment trigger ADHD?

They are not a separate discussion.

I do have lots of research, but your not willing to see the relationship.

So there is no sense.

Why do you want to ignore the whole picture.

I am not leaving out anything.

You are.

Why can't I discuss the whole picture.

If you can show me some reasearch proving ADD is genetic alone but you can't because that's not the way it works , regarding the higher brain.

Higher brain develops in interaction with the environment. (that's it is why the higher brain is symbolic)(newer)

If you where discussing the hereditary (sensitivity) (genetic) factors involving the middle and lower emotional brain,(pre-verbal))(came first)(ancient)

Interacting with environment shaping the development of the higher brain , in some people.

I would not totally disagree.

Lunacie
03-06-13, 05:48 PM
The only one ignoring anything here seems to be you.

I've asked you three times in this thread alone whether you know of any replicable research into how environmental factors may trigger ADHD or
can lead to better treatment of ADHD.

Until we have something that shows the coorelation, they are separate
discussions IMO.

mildadhd
03-06-13, 06:02 PM
The only one ignoring anything here seems to be you.

I've asked you three times in this thread alone whether you know of any replicable research into how environmental factors may trigger ADHD or
can lead to better treatment of ADHD.

Until we have something that shows the coorelation, they are separate
discussions IMO.

Ok I will find some research.

By the end of the day.

I won't ask you anymore to provide research for a genetic only bases for ADD,

because there isn't any.

But in the future,

it will be your turn to show research why I shouldn't discuss environment influence in gene expression.


OK?

I want to move on from this discussion/debate as well.

Do you agree?


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Lunacie
03-06-13, 06:21 PM
Ok I will find some research.

By the end of the day.

I won't ask you anymore to provide research for a genetic only bases for ADD,

because there isn't any.

But in the future,

it will be your turn to show research why I shouldn't discuss environment influence in gene expression.


OK?

I want to move on from this discussion/debate as well.

Do you agree?


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You keep changing what I've written! :(
I did not say that ADHD is "genetic-only."
I thought we reached an understanding on that a few posts ago.

I'm not aware of any research that demonstrates how the environment
triggers genes and causes ADHD. But have fun looking. You may find
something really interesting.

mildadhd
03-06-13, 06:28 PM
You keep changing what I've written! :(
I did not say that ADHD is "genetic-only."
I thought we reached an understanding on that a few posts ago.

I'm not aware of any research that demonstrates how the environment
triggers genes and causes ADHD. But have fun looking. You may find
something really interesting.


If you are not saying genetic only, why do you want me to stop discussing /learning about environment?

I am not trying to be a Buttox,

the topics are very important,

to not discuss,

when discussing ADD.

I am not denying the possibility of genetic predisposition.

And am not sure why you want me to stop talking about important parts of the equation?

I've never asked anyone not to talk about anything proven to be related to the topics.

Thanks






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Lunacie
03-06-13, 07:07 PM
If you are not saying genetic only, why do you want me to stop discussing /learning about environment?

I am not trying to be a Buttox,

the topics are very important,

to not discuss,

when discussing ADD.

I am not denying the possibility of genetic predisposition.

And am not sure why you want me to stop talking about important parts of the equation?

I've never asked anyone not to talk about anything proven to be related to the topics.

Thanks


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No! I wasn't saying genetic-only. Why is that so hard to understand?

Nor have I said anything about stopping you from learning or discussing
the environment in relation to ADHD.

I said it may not be pertinent to Every Single Discussion you participate in.


I understand there is a bigger picture.

I'm trying to get you to understand that sometimes it's good to look at just
one piece of the picture individually.

When someone wants to discuss genetics, that's one piece. If you don't
want to discuss just that one piece, then start a thread connecting that
piece to other pieces of the big picture.

We can have both. They don't have to be together in the same thread.

Abi
03-06-13, 07:16 PM
I said it may not be pertinent to Every Single Discussion you participate in.


I suggest that, in future, when any of us makes a thread about some or other aspect of ADHD, and we do not wish to discuss environmental factors in that post, we should note, either on the thread title or in bold in the first post "No Environmental Discusson Please"

In that way moderators will be justified in (re)moving any such posts as being off topic and disrespectful to the thread starter's wishes.

Lunacie
03-06-13, 07:18 PM
I suggest that, in future, when any of us makes a thread about some or other aspect of ADHD, and we do not wish environmental factors in that post, we should note, either on the thread title or in bold in the first post "No Environmental Discusson Please"

In that way moderators will be justified in (re)moving any such posts as being off topic and disrespectful to the thread starter's wishes.

*sigh* I suppose that might be the best solution.


But . . . how to let everyone here know to handle it that way?

mildadhd
03-06-13, 09:21 PM
LOL

How can you have a discussion about genetics with out environment?

I would like to see that.

Abi
03-06-13, 09:57 PM
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