View Full Version : Treating Childhood Bipolar with Ketamine


Lunacie
03-26-13, 02:36 PM
My daughter heard this program on NPR and suggested I check it out too.

Dimitri Papalos is a psychiatrist who has been treating childhood bipolar for
many years and is considered something of an authority. He noticed that
some children have a very fearful type of bipolar and sometimes the fear
makes them react violently.

He also noticed that this subtype of bipolar includes frequent night terrors
and overheating, especially when sleeping. He looked at animal studies for
a treatment that would reduce the fear and lower the body temperature. He
found studies in animals where ketamine did just that.

Ketamine is approved as an anesthetic. It's also a club drug that can cause
out-of-body experiences. And research in the past few years shows that
ketamine can lift severe depression, often in a matter of minutes.

Go here: How An Unlikely Drug Helps Some Children Consumed By Fear (http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/03/25/174928768/how-an-unlikely-drug-helps-some-children-consumed-by-fear) to
read the entire article.

MellyFishButt
03-26-13, 02:41 PM
Well I definitely wasn't depressed in my last k hole.

So...is it being used as an anti anxiety med? A sleeping pill? (Girl, I am way too lazy to read.)

Lunacie
03-26-13, 02:59 PM
"They're functioning on a very primitive fight-or-flight level. When these kids do become violent, it's not premeditated," Papolos says. "They're not potential mass killers. They're responding the way an animal might, defending its territory."


It seems to treat both the mental fear/anxiety and the physical overheating.

Tyler Durden
03-26-13, 03:12 PM
Not read the article, my last K-hole was quite a pleasant experience... not! To reduce fear you say... i didn't get much out of it, but at least i was certainly not up to fighting anyone, in fact i wasn't even up to p*ssing straight, made quite a mess of the bathroom.

Have a mate who seems to self medicates with it, he loves the stuff.

MellyFishButt
03-26-13, 03:18 PM
I guess I am viewing it from an experienced perspective. Having done both benzo and ketamine, they appear to have the same effect. To me. Although I have never noticed whether I was overheating or not. Hmm.

Tyler Durden
03-26-13, 03:44 PM
Only used benzos to come down and sleep... never thought to compare the 2.

Lunacie
03-26-13, 03:45 PM
With stimulant meds to treat ADHD there is a "theraputic dose" and the
much larger dose that's taken to feel "high." Maybe this works the same?

Also, Dr. Papalos is seeing what looks like a sub-set of bipolar, and the
ketamine may not work for bipolar type 1 or 2.

Lunacie
03-26-13, 03:48 PM
I guess I am viewing it from an experienced perspective. Having done both benzo and ketamine, they appear to have the same effect. To me. Although I have never noticed whether I was overheating or not. Hmm.

What effect did the ketamine have for you?

Did you have night terrors?
Fear out of proportion to what was actually happening?
Violent reactions to parents or others trying to control your behavior?

It's an interesting article if you read it, and not too long.