It is not uncommon for people who have ADD, bipolar, or whatever, to naturally tend to self-medicate with drugs or allcohol. I guess it is analogous to a dog chewing on grass to settle his stomach... It is an insinct... There are medications that work better than pot for add and they cost a lot less. Plus, they wont' get you tossed in jail like posession of pot can.

Self medicating will usually work for a while, but not for long. The situation typically degenerates and things get worse and then you have untreated ADD along with a chemical dependency problem... etc.

See your doctor and get proper mediical care.

Me :D


Ok guys. what do you think of this. Someone i met during my brief stay at a collge in NYC told me that he smoked weed for his add and it got him through college. He said it helped clear his mind and helped him focus. I totally laughed my head off. what do you think? has anyone heard this before?

You are supposed to get high when you smoke Pot, but I didnt. I dont know what my friends mean when they say they are high. I was expecting some sort of dramatic change in my awareness and perceptions. I smoked alot they said. "Youre still not high?" They thought I was lying. All I felt was a lessening of the bad sinus headache I had and a level of Focus more intense than I have ever experienced. So I can see how Pot can help for ADD/ADHD. But its a rather dangerous and expensive fix. Definatly not worth it.

Lots of people will be able to justify all kinds of self medication. I know I did. After a long absence of smoking grass I've experimented with it again recently in regards to treating my ADHD.

It's turned out to be a very complex compound of 60 or so active ingredients so I heard. It's muddy in it's effect at best. I can't say I'm "sharp" when I'm high. I might tolerate boredom better but it leaves me fuzzy and stays with me for a couple of days afterward.

It's a recreational drug but inappropriate for my needs in ADHD. It has uses in treating some things I suppose but for focus, inattention, distraction and executive function I've seen only a worsening of those things while high. My memory really suffers big time when I'm smoking grass.

If I was to smoke it, the vapourisers are the way to go. Medically the only thing I could find that was a big problem with grass was that smoking is bad for you. I bought a couple of little simple vapourisers that release the active ingredients prior to combusting the carbon material. It's a cleaner high but if you're a "burner" you'll likely miss the smoke inhalation.
Cheers! Ian.

well the bit that rox is tetra hydro cloride (THC) of the delta-9 varien (whatever that means) I guess it makes the brin release whatever chemical its missing, ADhD people usualy have a higher tollerance to it than those who do not have the dissoder, (i found that with most drugs actualy). In short, dont be a tit. Its cheeper to get proper meds (in the long run). At one stage i was smokin around 1/2 ounce just during the day, every day, my bank ballance went bye bye, as did my abbility to think clearly and my ccoordination, and reaction times. More woryingly i was also VERY emotionaly unstable, i mean realy bad, always strung out and i regret it. At first it helped my ADhD but the addictive attitude thing got out of controll and i messed up. Ill live with the conciquenses the rest of my life, i truly beleve that. In a nutshell, DONT

I am here very briefly so I havent read anyones responses but I say YES it does. I am proof. I am sure some others may agree. um... be back soon! lol

Marijuana most certainly DOES NOT help. From my experiences it would make me even lazier. My brain would be more in tune while I was high, but once I came down I felt a lingering foggyness that was worse than what I even normally feel. Marijuana is not the answer at all.

I smoked it daily for ~10 years or so. I do not believe it helped with ADHD, and I am definately better off without it. I haven't touched it for ~18 years or so.

i think the general concensus is it can help, in correct modoration, for a small period of time. However, over long periods itll f__k you right up. Your best off finding a med designed to help instead of some over priced hydro skunk. Ive seen hash cut with all sorts of stuff as well, plastic, sump oil alot of the time, old McDonalds cartons, anything that allows the producer to make more for less. The stufs street quality @ best when you get it, not pharmacutical quality, and as many will know, the difference is phenominal. Even the results off home grown arnt that great, it aint worth id man, take it from somone who has expiriance, or ask my bank manager, theyll tell you it aint worth it.

I haven't smoked pot in years, but I smoked recreationally in high school. Something really weird happened to me in 11th grade, that I really cannot explain. I was taking this college prep Physics class, and while the teacher was interesting and talked about a lot of cool things, the class was REALLY boring to me. You know, all those equations and formulas! I guess I basically pretty much sat through every class with my mind wandering and could never participate, because I could never remember anything I read. So, one day I went out with some friends and we ended up smoking a joint together before class. I then went to Physics class, and for some reason I found myself following along. Then the teacher asks for this complicated equation, and all of a sudden, I raise my hand (and when I raised my hand, I'm saying to myself "what the he%$ are you doing???") so the teacher gets all excited that I, for once, am raising my hand, and asks me to go write it on the board. So I go up and write it, and when I'm done, I hear the brains in the class going "ooooooooohhhhhh", and I realized that I was actually right!!!! I guess somehow I had the info in my brain, but I had too much going on to get it out usually, but the pot did something to get it out??? It was really weird!!!!

hmmm just realized something that makes total sense now. When I was a teenager I tried LSD on two separate occassions. I remember everyone loving the experience but on both occassions I went crazy and was dying to come down. I remember trying to control my thoughts to the point of freaking myself out. Anyone else have a similar experience? Not a good drug for people with ADD.

well, thats debatable sweetheartsok. Bad trips are too easy to pull off, your enviroment plays a huage part as does your state of mind @ the time as to weather your trip is good or bad. The ADhD hyper brain thing isnt exactly an advantage though. Besides, chemical halucinagenics are freekin volitile.

yeh, when I tried LSD, which I did on about 4 seperate occasions, I HATED it! I was scared to talk to people, and could not focus on anything. It sucked. But about weed helping adhd. I was the biggest pothead in my ENTIRE school when I was in 11th grade. I would smoke more than an ounce a day, and I could afford it because I sold it too. I would get good **** too. My friend would grow it because his parents would not care. Anyways, when I smoked, I realized that I got MUCH higher than any of my friends did. It did help me focus on conversations and actually care about small talk, but it made me so paranoid to the point where I was afraid of talking to people, so I ended up quitting. Also, weed led me into alcohol addiction, coke addiction, cough syrup addiction (which is the best drug ever in my opinion), and numerous other addictions. I quit all drugs for a period of 3 months recently after a suicide attampt, but I am now back drinking plenty and poppin xanis. My OCD also makes me have an exteremely addictive behavior. But, guys, if I had to say whether weed or any drug for that matter helps in the long run, DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING OTHER WHAT YOUR DOCTOR PRESCRIBES. Weed ****** me up BIG time, and I totalled 2 cars while high too, along with almost failing high school.

dOOd.. you gotta watch the language or we'll have to tie you up and paint you blue.. lets spare us the trouble.. please.. K?

i cant be botherd to keep posting here now, i think the point is made and if any idividual cant see it then their not worth s__t 4 s__t. I was in a similar position to you streetsk8er794. I just can be a__sed with yappin about it right now.

I agree with what was recently said. Drugs are bad. Even marijuana. It may be fun while your high but my friend is a pothead and I have noticed him getting dumber and dumber during the duration of our friendship. Stay away from it.

Not sure it was deliberate self-medication. However, a lot of thoughts that seemed locked up in my head suddetnly became a lot clearer when I was high. Also, the next day, when I was only half-high, I was far calmer, and I think, higher-functioning than normal.

Meh...weed just hurts my throat. I tried, it sucked, I tried again, it still sucked, and I wasn't even high. Waste of time, so I don't bother.

Strattera treats my ADHD just fine. And it's free thanks to the wonders of health insurance..whereas weed is, well, ok if I wanted weed it'd be free as well, but I don't.

I hear cocaine "treats" ADHD as well, but I'm not going near that ****. Keep it on the legal/prescription side of things people.

I think a lot of ADDers like pot because it calms them and takes the edge off of things - gives them an extra "skin." So when you're high on pot you are less volatile, less impulsive and calmer. That's good.

You are also lazier, more forgetful, less organized and have less initiative. Seeing that these are all problems ADDers already have, methinks this is not the drug to take if you would actually like to achieve something in your life.

Also, pot only helps when you are *on* it. Being high all day means you can't drive, you can't operate machinery, you can't function on a high level intellectually. And you are breaking the law in a big way - you're smoking all day and in possession of larger amounts of weed. That can't be good in the long run.

Lots of experience with grass here. I did a bit of an experiment earlier here and posted results. In the cold light of day I am no longer a believer.

Dextroamphetamine for me. Clean and clear, just what I always dreamed of. Grass looks muddy and unclear for me. I even went to the trouble of losing the smoke issues with an inhalor, which actually helped keep straight the difference between the rush from smoke and the effects of the active ingredients. Smoke = bad. Active ingredients = memory issues and muddy thinking.

I've read here that the compound has something like 60 active ingredients, so it's a pretty complex compound to be expecting consistant results from, at least in my mind.
Cheers! Ian.

Lots of experience with grass here. I did a bit of an experiment earlier here and posted results. In the cold light of day I am no longer a believer.

Dextroamphetamine for me. Clean and clear, just what I always dreamed of. Grass looks muddy and unclear for me. I even went to the trouble of losing the smoke issues with an inhalor, which actually helped keep straight the difference between the rush from smoke and the effects of the active ingredients. Smoke = bad. Active ingredients = memory issues and muddy thinking.

I've read here that the compound has something like 60 active ingredients, so it's a pretty complex compound to be expecting consistant results from, at least in my mind.
Cheers! Ian.
Rereading my post, it sounds like I"m advocating pot. I"m not. I liked it, still do, but it's a very muddy drug, and my memory's bad to begin with -- pot makes it hopeless. Fun, yes. Therapeutic, no.

We are on the same page. I still enjoy it periodically for recreation, but not often and not much. The sex is so good though! :D

Thanks for the post back.
The don't need any help forgetting! Ian.

Only at night(if you do it).When you have nothing else to do,no responsabilities.

I believe to this day that my smoking pot all day , every day through high school and part of college is what intensified my ADD symptoms. My memory and focus got worse and worse over those years. When I sopped, nearly 20 years ago, I think I was able to cope with my ADD symptoms alot better. Until that is, after I got pregnant and was put into a job that requires far more concentration and organization than I was ever capable of. Not sure what broke the camels back, the becoming a mom or the sucko job, but it's worse now than it was when I was smokin' weed. Cigarettes, however, seemed to relly increase my attention and focus for an hour or two before I went on Concerta.

But back to the question....weed BAD!!!!!! Feels great...Not therapeutic!!

yeah i think weed is good for add and dealing with all kinds of situations

The answer is obviously "No."

Yes I can admit that pot, street speed and alcohol have all been used by me not to mention pill popping with my medications at times just to feel "normal", I find when I smoke about 7 joints that I can think straight and I lose all the excess mental noise and thoughts.

I find smoking pot for adhd is not a very good thing to do. Our memory isn't the best and its not a good idea to "handicap" it more. I find when i've smoked pot a day before or the morning before work I am less modivated and I tend to make alot of stupid careless mistakes that I'd otherwise never make. I read somewhere that smoking pot lowers your iq by approx. 10 points. Either way, if u got nothing to do that day and your looking for some fun then by all means smoke some(i know i will) but when it comes to getting your life in order or anything inorder for that matter pot is your enemy! Beware the weed.

It definitely takes the edge off, but my humor turns cynical and I've already alienated enough people. ;)

It's definitely for recreation.

I used to get high a lot when I was younger. My friends said it made me a lot more relaxed but I also got a lot more paranoid. I had a lot of good times when I was smoking weed but thats only because I had something to focus my mind on at the time. Weed and going out to socialize was a big no-no.

The only really bad part about getting high was a few days after. I would turn into the biggest, most unmotivating dumb **** you can imagine. Its because of that, that I have decided to refrain from doing it again, although my roomate has lately been tempting me a bit

Hi Guys Im new to this website and only today was diagnosed Adhd. Now as for Pot Being good for Adhd i think it may differ from person to person. I Suffered With Marijuana Problems for the last 3 years. I could never really pin point the reason why i smoked didn't know what Adhd was at that point, i hated smoking the stuff it but it made me able to focus on things without being distracted by a fly flying around the room for example, unfortunatly it only allowed me to focus on things i enjoyed like Pc Games and Tv. I could barely hold down a job due to all my adhd symptoms and the marijauna only made it worse. I went from being able to at least motivate myself to look for work and attempting to keep it to couldn't even think about working. I believe weed is a horrible drug. The damage i feel i have done to my lungs in the last three years of smoking feels horrible. Im unfit, its affected my mental health depression, paranoia, psychosis,anti- social the list goes on. I think anyone who is self medicating using weed should weigh up the pros and cons. I think You will find that the cons far out way the pros it took me 3 years of smoking myself stupid and quiting and relapsing to finally ask myself Why i smoked it, which led to my Diagnosis. I'm now motivated to chuck out the weed and treat the reason why i was smoking. My personal advice to anyone thinking of using Marijauna Take it from me it does so much more damage than good. I hope this has answered your question.
Cheers Rabs

I've smoked pot for over 20 years. Not constantly, but more often than not. I havn't smoked since Febuary and the 2 biggest differences I've noticed is that I'm better able to control my impulsive nature and I can think with so much more clarity. I would say that right now pot is not in my best interest, but I wouldn't rule it out in the future.

And besides my ADHD meds are working way better than pot ever did ! ! Although when I broke my leg in 5 places back in '99 and had 6 surgeries to fix it, weed was my friend. Don't know how I would have made it otherwise, the painkillers the docs were giving me only went so far.

The answer is obviously "No."
mctavish23 is obviously right.

My Mom and Dad are 81 and 85 respectively. My Mom has ADD symptoms and always has and my Dad is having panic attacks and his stomach is so bad he eats a bottle of antacids a day. I think they should start smoking pot and I have mentioned it to them. Of course their major concern is that it is illegal.


Am I a "bad" daughter for making this suggestion to them? I genuinely believe that it would make their twilight years a little happier. They live out...way out in the country and really don't have to get much of anywhere very often.
Anyone have an opinion on that???:D

I was never a huge fan of marijuana, but I've always enjoyed having pothead friends, because they will completely understand when I manage to lose my car keys without even taking them out of my pocket, or forget about important things that I need to do...basically it's one of the few social subgroups where ADD symptoms are considered completely acceptable.

That being said, marijuana is really not going to help much with ADD. It might make you too stoned to care about ADD, but that's a separate issue completely.

That is exactly right Hypervision Marijuana has the ability to work its way to the top of someones Priority's before they even see it happening. Jenjor No i don't think you are a bad daughter for trying to find your parents something that may make their quality of life better. Look all i can say is the Weed will stop the panic attacks and i know for a fact if i feel sick in the stomache a Cone will generally get rid of the pain. I do recommend that they Speak to a GP before actually self-medicating just incase its not a good idea at their age. Good Luck Hope it Helped.

Jenjor,

I can just here your parents conversation*:

Do you want something to eat?

...................what?

I asked, if you're hungry.

Do you mean am I hungry for food, or in the abstract sense, like, am I hungry for knowledge?

hehehheehhehehehe

.................

Well, are ya?

Am I what?



*actually, this is from an old comedy album about pot.

I've been self-medicating with pot for years. In some ways it's helped me. In some ways it's hurt me.

I do know that I've written dozens of 'A' essays and tests stoned off my @ss, along with many brilliant articles. I also know that when I'm smoking heavily I can go a full week without accomplishing anything of note.

I think I use it as a crutch. And that's bad.

Any illicit drugs just aren't the answer to problems. In fact, it has the potential of causing more problems. I'd suggest you do what I do with weed. Once I found a bunch of marijuana plants (about 150 of them all told). I went to work on them with a dull machette. I chopped them down, loaded them in a car and took them home where they were promptly burned (and they don't burn easy green). That's the best thing you can do with it.

Pot smokers are HILARIOUS! The way they go on about the stuff, you'd think it would cure a rainy day. The mythology is amazing!

"This pot stuff is a miracle cure for everything! It'll cure your neuralgia and gout, and leave a clear waxy coat on your floors that repels dust!"

Just replace the word "pot" with "beer" and you can see the absurdity of the statements made. And before you get all up in arms about pot not being like alcohol, keep in mind history... in the past beer (alcohol) was credited with many life enhancing properties, Guinness having all the vitamins you need in a day, in one pint, for example.

Pot is just an intoxicant, and an unregulated intoxicant at that. There is no way of knowing the % of active ingredients in it before you use it.

I have to agree with Ian on this one. It may feel like it helps, heck you might even talk yourself into thinking that it really does help... But it doesn't. In fact it is probably making things worse. I even used to make myself think it helped me, but now I understand that it is something that I have to resist because if I don't, it begins to rule my life. (I'm not saying you can't be successful while self-medicating, but it is easy to become a slave to it.)

Pot smokers are HILARIOUS! The way they go on about the stuff, you'd think it would cure a rainy day. The mythology is amazing!

"This pot stuff is a miracle cure for everything! It'll cure your neuralgia and gout, and leave a clear waxy coat on your floors that repels dust!"

Just replace the word "pot" with "beer" and you can see the absurdity of the statements made. And before you get all up in arms about pot not being like alcohol, keep in mind history... in the past beer (alcohol) was credited with many life enhancing properties, Guinness having all the vitamins you need in a day, in one pint, for example.

Pot is just an intoxicant, and an unregulated intoxicant at that. There is no way of knowing the % of active ingredients in it before you use it.

I feel the same way about people who every day take xanax, adderall, and ambien. They're all powerful drugs, illicit or not, prescribed or not.

Pot smokers are HILARIOUS! The way they go on about the stuff, you'd think it would cure a rainy day. The mythology is amazing!

"This pot stuff is a miracle cure for everything! It'll cure your neuralgia and gout, and leave a clear waxy coat on your floors that repels dust!"

Just replace the word "pot" with "beer" and you can see the absurdity of the statements made. And before you get all up in arms about pot not being like alcohol, keep in mind history... in the past beer (alcohol) was credited with many life enhancing properties, Guinness having all the vitamins you need in a day, in one pint, for example.

Pot is just an intoxicant, and an unregulated intoxicant at that. There is no way of knowing the % of active ingredients in it before you use it.

Well, the simple fact is that pot is not alcohol. If you don't understand the difference, just google "fatal dosage alcohol marijuana." I can go down to the corner and for $12 buy a bottle of cheap vodka, drink all of it at once, and would likely kill me. On the other hand, according to the US Government, I would need to smoke at least 50lb. of very good marijuana to even approach a fatal dose. That is why fatalities from alcohol poisoning don't even make the news, and why there is not a single death from marijuana overdose in about the last 5-7000 years.

That, it would seem, is a pretty big difference.

[For the impatient: scroll down to bottom for point of the post.]

My own thought on this is a bit ambiguous. While I hardly think that marijuana is a "miracle" plant, there is a reason that humans have been cultivating it for as long as we have been cultivating anything else. It seems that there certainly should be some serious study of the effects of marijuana on all kinds of things, since the anecdotal evidence for its benefits for many ailments is really enormous. It seems obvious that it is worth considering that not all those people who claim benefit from marijuana are somehow deluded, and that maybe there is something there.

As for ADD, I'll throw in my own $0.02, and maybe touch on some things that have been left out of the thread so far. First, I have been smoking marijuana off and on for about 25 years. (And just to set aside the "stupid stoner" stereotype, I also have a PhD from what is arguably the best University in the US.) My interest in pot was basically as a mind-opening chemical, and not as a "fun" drug. In fact, I would usually abstain at parties since it often made me much quieter than normal, and much preferred smoking with one or two friends, while playing music, hiking, or watching an interesting film. So, it was never a sort of cheap "good time" thing for me. I bet that if I counted up all the times that I smoked weed, at least 2/3 of the times it was while I was alone, and then I spent the time reading, thinking and writing.

Why? Well, I don't find the physical effects of pot all that nice. I don't like the dry mouth (which, by the way, I get at least as bad from Adderall). I don't like the fact that when I smoke pot, I know that I am unfit to drive for a good 6-8 hours. What I do like, however, is that I get a mental sharpness that I simply don't have normally. And no, this is not some kind of stoned illusion -- this is something that I have verified many times, and that other people have noticed as well.

About 2 years ago, I was diagnosed with ADD inattentive, and received an Adderall prescription. Now, the Adderall is nice in that it lifts the mental fog pretty well. But what I lose (and I think many inattentives will agree with me on this) is the kind of big picture, multiple-angle, dialectical thinking that is great for certain kinds of problem solving and creative work. In other words, I've found that Adderall is great for housework, OK for doing writing on ideas that I have already traced out, but not really good for sparking new thoughts. What's worse is that Adderall also makes me incredibly unreflective -- I feel like it makes me move, but it seems to strip away the meaning of the movement, the bigger picture of why I am doing what I am doing.

With pot, on the other hand, I get both the sharp focus and the big-picture, meaning-oriented component. You can tell me that I am wrong all that you want, but until you are in my shoes (or in my head), you really don't know.

What I don't like are the side effects, and I have never even considered going to work after smoking pot, or really doing anything that demands lots of interaction with other people who are not close friends. It is absolutely not a "miracle cure for ADD" -- but neither is Adderall. For that reason, I find Adderall much more practical, even though it seems that there is something in marijuana that, if properly harnessed, could really be much better for me. In other words, it seems that there should be some research on this.

Left out of all of this discussion is the fact that there is no single "marijuana." There are two main strains: Indica and Sativa. Most pot bought and sold on the street is some kind of blend. When I had the privilege to live in Madison, Wisconsin, I was able to sample pure strains of each, as well as all kinds of hybrids. The two varieties are very, very different as it relates to ADD.

If other ADD-inattentives are like me, Indica will make you stupid. I found Indica (which is what hash is usually made from) extremely unpleasant -- it would usually just amplify the mental fog, make me laugh for a while, and then fall asleep or get "couch lock." Not good for ADD, and I gather from many of the comments here that it is either Indica or indica-heavy strains that people are associating with generic "pot."

The pure sativa varieties, on the other hand, are brilliant. Where indica made me sleepy, sativa wakes me up, clears the mental fog, and gets the neurons moving in some really interesting and often wonderful ways. Absolutely no comparison at all. It seems that a very worthwhile experiment for inattentive ADD would be to give lower doses of a pure sativa strain -- just enough to do something, but not enough to make the person feel "high." (In other words, exactly what we do with Adderall.) That, it seems to me, could have lots of potential.

Well, enough already. Let me just add that after all these years of smoking marijuana, I have never gotten "out of control" or felt an absolute need for the plant. Right now, I smoke once per week (Friday evenings). I actually find Adderall much more troublesome in that my ADD seems worse than before when I don't take it.

Point of the post: with all the different ADD meds that people here are taking, some will work great for some people but not at all for others; some will work great for some people, but have intolerable side effects. It seems to me that the skeptics should at least entertain the idea that just because smoking weed made them worse, that it would be like that for everyone. Certainly caution is in order, but so is a bit of consideration for what certain individuals find works for them.

I'm not about to tell anyone that pot is good for them - or bad for them - but I do think it gets evaluated in a completely different way than prescription drugs. First of all, merely having a doctor prescribe something does not make it 'safe' or even a good idea. There are plenty of doctors who will prescribe anything you ask for, and plenty of others who prescribe based on the most recent freebie they got from a pharmaceutical company (look it up - it has a huge influence). My mother has a chronic liver disease (hereditary) and she has been on steroids, immune suppression drugs, sleeping pills, painkillers, etc. for 15 years. At least twice, she has identified a drug that her GP prescribed that would interfere with her other meds - and once, it might have killed her. She has a good GP and the best liver specialist in the country, but neither one of them checked the drug interaction.

My point is this: the difference between an illegal drug, a prescription drug, a nutraceutical, and a holistic health product is purely semantic (it depends on what people call them, not what they are). Merely having a doctor's approval does not make is safe - please read some of the drug side-effect threads on this site. Therefore, we should judge substances on their risks and benefits, whether you get them from the health food store, your dealer, or your pharmacist.

Based on these criteria, this is what I have determined:

Adderall, Concerta, Ritalin, etc. - Impotence, loss of appetite, sudden chills, feeling faint, rushing heart, inability to ejaculate... sorry, someone has to come up with a much better reason to subject myself to that kind of risk. Also, no-one knows what the long-terms effects might be for many of these drugs, because no-one has taken them for long enough.

Red food dyes - Aggravates ADD. No reason to ingest it, except I love red jujubes.

Caffeine - short term benefits, sometimes a crash when you stop drinking coffee. Makes the heart rate increase, improves focus, interferes with sleep.

Pot - definitely bad for your lungs, probably memory effects. Also, withdrawal symptoms that are almost identical to many of the prescription drugs (irritability, loss of appetite, abnormal sleep patterns).

Anyway, I would like to see the same critical thinking applied to everything I put into my body, whether it is prescribed or proscribed. Doctors are not infallible; pharmaceutical reps and advertisers can be deliberately misleading; health food stores are a culture unto themselves; at least with weed, I know what I'm getting (at least when I know the grower).

Pot - definitely bad for your lungs,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer

In theory a vaporizer eliminates combustion products and the lower controlled temperature vaporise less tar.

I chopped them down, loaded them in a car and took them home where they were promptly burned (and they don't burn easy green). That's the best thing you can do with it.

Well I would have dried it out before burning it - green weed taste like crap.

keep in mind history... in the past beer (alcohol) was credited with many life enhancing properties, Guinness having all the vitamins you need in a day, in one pint, for example.

Keeping history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_alcohol) in mind I will need to make a slight additions -


The Puritans brought more beer than water on the Mayflower as they departed for the New World. While this may seem strange for Puritans viewed from the modern context, it should be understood that drinking wine and beer at that time was safer than water - which was usually taken from sources used to dispose of sewerage and garbage. Their experience showed them that it was safer to drink alcohol than the typically polluted water in Europe. Alcohol was also an effective analgesic, provided energy necessary for hard work, and generally enhanced the quality of life.
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Pot is just an intoxicant, and an unregulated intoxicant at that. There is no way of knowing the % of active ingredients in it before you use it.

I feel the same way about people who every day take xanax, adderall, and ambien. They're all powerful drugs, illicit or not, prescribed or not.

#1 Feelings are not facts -

A)most who are prescribed these drugs legally know how much active ingredient it contains

B) All of these drugs are heavily regulated for those who are on them legally

#2 Flaw in logic -

A)if people use the same dosage of these drugs every day will rapidly adjust to the chemical changes they make therefore the medication will cease to be intoxicating

B) It is the people who take these medications irregularly who are most likely to experience changes in their conscious experience - not daily users


C) The reason a drug is used determines the habits of use - the drugs them selves have no will of their own

3} Apples are not oranges even though they are both fruit

A) Some one who takes a pill to be able to function is NOT looking for the same effect as one who is taking the same pill to get high - it is in search of "effect" that cause people to increase the amount they use

B) Biology reacts according to chemistry not moral issues - let us not get treating with medication mixed up with addiction - it is annoying at best manipulative at it's worse

C)
That is why fatalities from alcohol poisoning don't even make the news, and why there is not a single death from marijuana overdose in about the last 5-7000 years.

That, it would seem, is a pretty big difference.

My point is this: the difference between an illegal drug, a prescription drug, a nutraceutical, and a holistic health product is purely semantic (it depends on what people call them, not what they are).

Actually no - there is a bit more than semantics

legal implications - for pot

purity regulations - herbal supplements




My mother has a chronic liver disease (hereditary) and she has been on steroids, immune suppression drugs, sleeping pills, painkillers, etc. for 15 years. At least twice, she has identified a drug that her GP prescribed that would interfere with her other meds - and once, it might have killed her. She has a good GP and the best liver specialist in the country, but neither one of them checked the drug interaction.


Many times drug on drug interactions are caused by one doctor not knowing what another doctor has prescribed - it is up to the patent to make sure all health care professional have an up-to dates list of all current medications OTC medications and herbal supplements -

As a means of extra protection going to the same pharmacy to get ALL prescriptions filled and checking with the pharmacist who has your medication history before taking over the counter medications or herbal supplements will help eliminate this problem


Although I disagree with some of your perspective I agree very strongly with others


Merely having a doctor's approval does not make is safe - please read some of the drug side-effect threads on this site.

One of my "mottoes"

Any thing that has an effect on the body can have a BAD effect - herbal supplements prescription medications foods air ect. . .- any thing includes every thing


Therefore, we should judge substances on their risks and benefits, whether you get them from the health food store, your dealer, or your pharmacist.

agreed - education is key


Based on these criteria, this is what I have determined:

I am assuming this determination is restricted to your personal experiences or perspectives and doesn't include mine - cool I can live peacefully with that


Anyway, I would like to see the same critical thinking applied to everything I put into my body, whether it is prescribed or proscribed.

Agreed -

Very decent post - I may disagree with a few points but hey keeping my attention long enough to respond is a compliment :)



Is weed good for ADD - this is one of the few times I will have to say that ADD subtype may be a pretty good sized factor.

I can see where those who have a lot of inattention may have symptom worsening with marijuana where are those who are more impulsive or hyperactive may actually experience some benefits to the use of marijuana - this has nothing to do with any legal or moral issues - it is based upon experience and comparison of various experiences among diverse individuals


Hyperactive ADDers may be able to be les distracting and impulsive

In high school my grades actually improved when I began smoking pot - I could actually sit and listen - I could stay in one place long enough to do home work - teachers were nicer to me because I was less distracting

Now that I am older and more inattentive it just makes me tired -it seem like a waste to engage in illegal activity just to get tired when I can work for a living and have the same thing happen

Presently I am in agreement with Ians post


The sex is so good though!:D

Ahh the enhancement of one of the two things that does improve with age -sex