You know, it's good to have a place to admit the following foibles...:o


I am honestly not exaggerating, or even trying to be funny (although I have used both of those techniques to distract from the truth of the following):




1. At work yesterday, I asked a coworker if it was the left or the right faucet for hot water. I feel safe with her, so it was much faster than what I usually have to do to figure it out....(let it run until the temperature is revealed)

2. To remember directions, I have to think of the West coast as Left/East coast as Right/North as my head/South as my feet. (Clearly, this doesn't always work...I am chronically lost). Visualize me shaking one or the other of my hands when someone is talking about geography.

3. To remember what comes next in the alphabet, I sing it.

4. For years, I have surreptitiously counted on my fingers. Thank GOD for calculators.

5. I never write or type anything without a dictionary by my side. It is an exhausting exercise simply to make myself understood.

I'm a little angry as I write this.

Does anyone who doesn't have to go through this secret shame ritual REALLY believe any adult would pretend to do these things...for attention...or medication...or as an excuse to not be held responsible for something?

No wonder I am worn out before I even BEGIN to attempt to function in the "Normal" world.

So...in my ongoing struggle to accept my limitations, and embrace my strengths, I am trying to make accomodations for myself, as I would for someone else who needs help or compassion (is there an IEP for life skills?)

How wierd is it that I have to step outside myself...to think of myself as I would someone else...to give myself a break?



Geez...can ya tell someone around here didn't sleep well last night?:eek:



I think I am rationalizing (actually, I know I am, in retrospect), why I couldn't, wouldn't, answer the phone when my brother called last week.

It's irrational fear that unless I am feeling bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, I am too ashamed to be seen or heard...the fear that people who (at least, used to) love me will reject me,or detect my flaws and judge me harshly.

AND GUESS WHAT?


Even though I can figure this out, and realize that, by behaving in this manner, I have almost assured that my behavior will now certainly cause me to be judged harshly...I can't seem to break the cycle.

I really need some help. I wonder if I'll actually do something to get some anytime soon...:cool:

Oh, and another thing...I also do rationally realize that life is not all about me and my issues...FOR SURE! It's ridiculous, in the light of day, to realize I actually marinated myself in fear and shame over a stupid PHONE CALL!

In fact, this is all so shameful, I want to erase or not post it. I won't though...maybe someday I'll be able to look back on these days and say to myself that I've come a long way since the darkness...or maybe someone else feels like this, and I have helped give this crazy behavior a face...ARRRGGGHHHHH.....

*3. To remember what comes next in the alphabet, I sing it.

4. For years, I have surreptitiously counted on my fingers. Thank GOD for calculators.

5. I never write or type anything without a dictionary by my side. It is an exhausting exercise simply to make myself understood.***

Wow I do these and have been doing it so long I forgot why I do them.... :)

I have for years counted on my finger to figures something out...sang the alphabet song cant remember the next letter ....i am starting to use the dictionarary more but how can I look up word if I dont know how to spell it? auntchris

I don't need to sing the alphabet song, but I do have to say the alphabet in order to know the next letter...sorry...blurb.

i am starting to use the dictionarary more but how can I look up word if I dont know how to spell it? auntchris
That is why I want to lobby for spell check on this forum!
It is really hard to find a word you can't spell...and it takes a LONG time...like I said, no wonder we're all worn out!:eek:

Dear Stuck:
Don't get me started on faucets! We have single faucets in every room and I have to visualize separate faucets and think, left is hot, right is cold.

I work with special needs kids and it sounds like you have developed good coping skills. Would it help if I told you there is no "right" way to remember directions, the alphabet and counting? I wish more people would use a dictionary as I find misspelt words distracting.

"It's irrational fear that unless I am feeling bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, I am too ashamed to be seen or heard...the fear that people who (at least, used to) love me will reject me,or detect my flaws and judge me harshly."

Lose the shame, Stuck. It sounds like you have good self-awareness and know when you're not up to dealing with people or situations. You seem pretty together from my perspective.images/icons/icon14.gif

Laura

How wierd is it that I have to step outside myself...to think of myself as I would someone else...to give myself a break?


I'm sorry you didn't sleep well last night, Stuck. But I have to tell you that I don't think this is weird at all! I think it says a few things about you. First, you are certainly generous and kind-hearted towards others. That's a great thing! Secondly, it says that you've taken the time to deeply consider your self-judgment as it relates to that of judging other people. I tend to fall on your side myself, but I wouldn't trade the kind heart for anything in the world. The trick is of course, to be self-aware and STILL recognize the times in life where giving ourselves a break is so important. I think it may be that for the truly self-aware, there is a major victory to be had when we can simply (don't you love how the simple things are the ones that beat you up for years...;) ) look at ourselves as no less and certainly no better than any other human being who walks the planet. With that comes the ability to view what we perceive as our (insert negative terminology of choice here) as no more a definition of our entire worth than we do those traits in someone else.

Oh, and another thing...I also do rationally realize that life is not all about me and my issues...FOR SURE!

True, but not only in the sense that the world doesn't revolve around any single person in a "me, me, me" selfish way, though we ALL know people who believe it does. Sometimes the best gift we can give ourselves is to realize that despite the fact that WE sometimes think otherwise, most people are so caught up in their own chaos, they really don't THINK TWICE about all of the parts of us that we think they do. Isn't that GREAT??!! They aren't home at night ruminating over US because frankly, we just aren't all that important! I love that knowledge, it's good for a laugh on a regular basis!!!:p

BTW, I still count with my fingers too.....and I sing along to THAT.....so don't bust on yourself for the alphabet thing! I've always figured (in my own nutty mind) that music and laughter are the two absolute necessities of life. So keep on singing your alphabet, heck sing it at the top of your lungs! Perhaps you'll find yourself laughing as a result. Embrace it. I've learned that whether I'm singing alone or in front of an audience on my piano, whether I'm laughing by myself or with a group of friends, life is perfection in those moments because a life without music and laughter is a life that hasn't been lived. Figure out what brings you joy. Then incorporate it into your life as often as possible even if that's only into your thought-life for now! Even thoughts become habits over time!

None of us ever really get there. The interesting part of life is to make the ride as incredibly, indescribably, awesome as possible.

I hope you sleep sound as a baby tonight.....or perhaps I should say sound as a middle aged man after a big meal....my kids weren't great sleepers....Take care.:)

Hey stuck.

Go to www.iespell.com (http://www.iespell.com/). You load it into IE and it's a spell check you can use anywhere.

and my eyes are going bad too keith... damn dictionary ~aunt chris

I do like kmiller, i have to say the alphabet . I dont count on my fingers ,but i will make beleive i am writting on the table with my finger to make the calculation. I refuse to use a calculator, cause i know personaly i will get dependant on it. But i do use it to do my income tax return tho lol. i aint that crazy .!!!!

I can sympathize with you in some of your struggles. I think everyone has limitations- some are jsut more noticable than others. My h does not have a creative hair on his head but can figure out what to do with someone else's vision.

A couple things I am ashamed about and don't want people to know is I CAN NOT do any kind of mental math - as in adding or subtracting without paper or calculator. I really need the calculator. I also can't put together words that are spelled out loud letter by letter. I read well and am very visual but my auditory skills stink.

**A couple things I am ashamed about and don't want people to know is I CAN NOT do any kind of mental math - as in adding or subtracting without paper or calculator. I really need the calculator. I also can't put together words that are spelled out loud letter by letter. I read well and am very visual but my auditory skills stink.**

I'm the same way...... I was also told I'm numeral dyslexic.

I can definately relate to some of your list...

- I can never get cold water out of the tap at work. It has red and blue on it to show where hot and cold are but when you turn it - the red and blue part turns too - it's so confusing.

- I have no sense of direction and get lost all the time.

- I sing the alphabet song in my head to remember what comes next, but I ussually don't start at the beginning - ussually it's the qrstuv part

- I use a calculator whenever possible. I still count on my fingers when I don't have one handy.

- I hardly ever use a dictionary. But I agree that it's really hard to find a word in the dictionary if you don't know how to spell it. The most frustrating thing for me is when I can't get a word close enough to correct for spell-check to figure out what I'm saying

I dont count on my fingers ,but i will make beleive i am writting on the table with my finger to make the calculation.
YES!! I also do the same thing if I have forgotten how to spell a word. Our bodies use more than one way to memorize or learn things; all of the senses. New studies tell us that most people learn best visually, but teachers are still standing in front of classrooms talking to students. Telling me to put my pencil down is the kiss of death.
Thanks for starting this thread, Stuck.
Laura

I am also guilty of "saying" the alphabet in my head. I don't need to count numbers however for some reason. The biggest thing I've noticed is when I fly. When I use the compass, which is all the time, it seems backwards to me. When I was learning, my instructor always wondered what was wrong with me, but it seemed that it spun in the wrong direction when I was making a turn. Now, I calculate how much I want to turn and do quick math in my head or have it written out ahead of time to determine my desired bearing when coming out of the turn. It sounds king of dangerous, but I don't fly in less than desired weather or at night much, so it's all good. I actually visualize the compass as if I'm looking at it from the top as in a hand held device. It works for me.

I wonder who created the stigma about using calculators for math? A gifted teacher once asked why society spends a fortune trying to teach people to do something a $5.00 calculator can do.

Laura

People who can do math in their heads, that's who!!!

I LOATHE AND DETEST MATH!

I can't remember a number to save my life. I can remember a pattern for a phone number, but not the actual number. I literally can't remember a number long enough to write it down if I'm not actually looking at it. The most frustrating thing is when people say "well if you just..." or "if only you'd try...", no... numbers just don't stick! I will literally lock up if pressed to do math in my head (or on scratch paper in front of someone!) and if I need to look at something with a lot of numbers in it (a computer screen with a lot of info) I just don't SEE what I need to see. I'm dyslexic with numbers too.

My darling son, who is autistic, parroted me once when I mistakenly didn't choose my words right and told his teacher "My Mom can help me with English and Language Arts, but she can't help me with Math because she sucks at it!"

Ooops!

However, with the exception of the occasional typo, I've always been a walking dictionary and thesaurus. I laugh because I used to have a boss that couldn't say "thesaurus"... he called it "the dinosaur book"! :D

I have a sense of direction that borders on bizarre... like a built in compass. Never get lost and always know where North, South, East and West are. I can find my way anywhere by instinct and can remember EVERYTHING about a place and how to get there... But you take me into a crowded room and I'll stake out my territory (near the back... against a wall... away from the door but planning a path to escape) and I won't move unless I have to.

I can't get the words in my brain out of my mouth... a lot of the time the brilliant thoughts I have (ha-ha) come out stumbling nonsense, which is really frustrating. When I write I sound relatively intelligent... but when I speak I sound like... duh... uh... hmmm... uh... errrrr... (I know a lot of that is social anxiety). I'll use humor to cover it up.

So often I have to ask people to repeat what they just said because I heard the sounds... but it was like they were speaking a foreign language.

I can't write by hand because my brain works soooooooooooooo fast that my hand just can't keep up and it looks like code. Pretty bad when even I can't read it!

I am a font of "useless information" (for instance, explaining to my co-workers the difference between a "mule" and a "hinney", what a "tombolo" is, and countless other bits of trivia that just makes you sound weird) but I can't remember how to explain something I've done a hundred times. Oh... yeah... I did that last week didn't I? Uh... well you just... uh... damn... brain fart!

But I hate numbers. Hate 'em, hate 'em, hate 'em... I have a calculator and I know how to use it! :p

Rain

Well...

Woke up feeling feverish and achey this A.M., so no wonder the whine factor has been turned up in my head lately!

I'm having trouble using the "post reply" function today...so I'm using "quick reply" instead...and even though there is an option to check "Quote message in reply", it won't let me check the box...so here goes...

Free-
Thanks for the tip on spell check. I haven't looked at it yet...but it would be great if it could be used in this forum.

Zippy-
When I was a kid, some friends of mine had a little "sailfish" boat. It really used to throw me for a loop which side of the boat I was supposed to swing my bottom to, when they were "tacking"...I mean, if you want to turn left, it seemed like you'd want to lean left! :^
The whole wind over the wing, lift, propulsion, etc. kind of physics fascinates but eludes me, unless someone very patient explains it with REALLY good pictures. :#

Rain-
Don't EVEN get me started with MATH! Yech, blech...that NASTY word is still stuck in my teeth. :(
I have often wondered if it's possible to go back and learn to love "M-word" skills, when your grades are not dependent on learning them...?

Wow, stuck, I woke up yesterday like that......

I'm feeling a bit better right now but have ben sick all day. I think I have a sinuses :(

Also having the same troub;es with posting and quotes,it must be the weather :D

Jeeze you guys, don't be so hard on yourselves!

Stuck, these things are just some good solid coping skills for managing ADHD, and are every bit as valid and useful as any other skill we need to live and function in society.

When I can't remember what letter comes next I don't sing. I cheerthe alphabet and when I'm not paying extremely close attention I will catch myself doing the dance I learned in kindergarten to go with the cheer...sooooooo next time won't you cheer with me. :rolleyes:

I don't count on my fingers ever, I had a teacher in the second grade who whacked me one too many times on the back of my head with a ruler and broke me of that habit. I roll my eyes to the left and utter deep throated ummmmm as if looking at a black board in my brain. Attractive wouldn't you say?

I have a favorite potty at work and don't/won't use any other for the specific reason that I applied bright red nail polish were no one else would think to notice on the hot water handle. :D

When given directions with E,W,S or N I look blankly at the person and ask left or right? If they make fun of me I just say either you want me there or you don't...left or right? any really big road signs or barns in funky colors around?

I mis-spell everything especially here in the forums due to my busy schedule I lack the time to hit every subject if I'm always checking my spelling and marks. I do however keep a dictionary close by for work drafts and such.

I don't always answer the phone myself...I find it a criminal invention (unless of course I'm the one doing the calling then you had better answer). I can't tell the tone of a conversation over the phone and make people very angry and sometimes I just don't have the energy to figure out my siblings junk let alone my own. When someone calls and I don't feel like answering...I let the answering machine pick it up and yell at everyone to be very quiet as if they can hear us.


Well, obviously your not alone. Isn't that a little relief?

I can't get the words in my brain out of my mouth... a lot of the time the brilliant thoughts I have (ha-ha) come out stumbling nonsense, which is really frustrating. When I write I sound relatively intelligent... but when I speak I sound like... duh... uh... hmmm... uh... errrrr...
Rain
I'm like that, too. Come to find out it can indicate a learning disorder called Information Processing Disorder (auditory). Here's some info I just looked up... http://www.ld.org/LDInfoZone/InfoZone_FactSheet_InformationPD.cfm

Everyone: here's a site I use a LOT, it even suggests "did you mean...?" substitutions when you've not spelled it right... http://dictionary.reference.com/

My secret confessions: I have to say "lefty loosey" any time I try to unscrew something (including lightbulbs), I remember the cardinal points by poking my finger in front of me four times in a clockwise direction and chanting "Never Eat Soggy Wheaties" (out loud), and am so glad that the creativity I got from being AD/HD allows me never to be bored!

Stuck.....

Hope you have a WONDERFUL day tomorrow, or rather, today......

I was thinking of you.

Free

When I was a kid I used to be terribly embarrassed about not knowing where each letter was in the alphabet. So I decided when I was 11 years old to allocate a number to each letter (A=1 B=2 etc.) and spent weeks memorising this. Ever since when I need to think about the alphabet I think of the numbers instead and I can instantly recall the order. Works well for me anyway.

I'm glad you started this thread. I never even thought about those things being related to AD/HD. I do them all, plus a few others folks mentioned. The math in my head or spelling something outloud is particularly hard (not that my math or spelling on paper is particularly stunning either!).LOL My 7 year old daughter is better at directions than I am. I can't even reverse directions to leave a place I just went to.

Scattered

I can't remember a number to save my life. I can remember a pattern for a phone number, but not the actual number. I literally can't remember a number long enough to write it down if I'm not actually looking at it.


I do remember phone numbers, but by the way it's dial on the phone. If i had all the sudden a phone like in the old days with the round thingy there...i would not be able to call anyone LOL

A couple things I am ashamed about and don't want people to know is I CAN NOT do any kind of mental math - as in adding or subtracting without paper or calculator. I really need the calculator. I also can't put together words that are spelled out loud letter by letter. I read well and am very visual but my auditory skills stink.
I am a visual also... Oral spelling things at school were hell for me. I know how to write words, but if i am not sure of the spelling i do have to write it down ,and that is how i know if i spelled it right or not. When someone read to me something, i dont understand. I have to read it myself.

WOW those things are ADD? I am still discovering that these magical things I do have a reason! This is amazing haha I never thought anyone else ever forgot which tap is for what... I never go to the wrong one because I just naturally know, but if you ever asked me whether left is hot or right......................just don't expect me to give you the right answer.
Calculators are my hero. Still I can't do math. Period.
I have no sense of direction so why bother knowing which way is south? I do know that though..unless someone says "point south" then pff I have no idea.
I have to sing or recite the alphabet
I also forget how to turn the car on and off sometimes. I drive more than any family memeber, my car is my second home..yet noone else every seems to forget what they're doing when they turn on or off the car. If I'm not sitting the same way everytime, I get thrown off. I think that is my worst confession here..considering I eat, sleep and breathe my car lol.

Looking up # in phone book - hell. Sing alphabet over and over.
Still get teased by family over ADD mishaps I've done. They think it's funny and don't know it hurts me that they're laughing at me.
I hate it when I bring myself to ask someone for help (like your faucet thing) and instead of giving me an answer straight away they ask me why I don't know. I wouldn't mind explaining after they answer, but it's like they're holding the answer hostage to make fun of me. I know it's not that way, but that's how it feels.

Recently, I had some work done in my bathroom. The maintenance guys fixed some leaking pipes, and then I realized they had switched the direction of the hot and cold water in the tub/shower. This has completely messed with my head. I was freezing myself by accident for two years, and now I am accidentally scalding myself instead. LOL I am seriously considering making myself a little reminder note and getting it laminated, to attach above the faucet in the tub. I figure it should only take me another few years to remember which direction I should turn the knob, ya know?

Recently, I had some work done in my bathroom. The maintenance guys fixed some leaking pipes, and then I realized they had switched the direction of the hot and cold water in the tub/shower. This has completely messed with my head. I was freezing myself by accident for two years, and now I am accidentally scalding myself instead. LOL I am seriously considering making myself a little reminder note and getting it laminated, to attach above the faucet in the tub. I figure it should only take me another few years to remember which direction I should turn the knob, ya know?

Girl, I'm telling you slap a little HOT & READY red nail polish on the hot faucet were only you would notice it...saved me in a lot of homes a lot of times. Don't ask me were I got the polish. :o

1. At work yesterday, I asked a coworker if it was the left or the right faucet for hot water. I feel safe with her, so it was much faster than what I usually have to do to figure it out....(let it run until the temperature is revealed)


The faucets in my bathroom sink are reversed, so I'm doubly confused with which side is hot.



2. To remember directions, I have to think of the West coast as Left/East coast as Right/North as my head/South as my feet. (Clearly, this doesn't always work...I am chronically lost). Visualize me shaking one or the other of my hands when someone is talking about geography.
I do the same thing for east & west. For north & south I visualize whether I'm above or below NYC ...but I used to think Connecticut was south of NYC before I moved here, so this didn't always work.:p



3. To remember what comes next in the alphabet, I sing it.
Virtually every needs to repeat the alphabet in order to figure out what comes next. How about saying a rhyme for how many days each month has? Actually, I do a thing where I count on my knuckles to figure out how many days in each month.



4. For years, I have surreptitiously counted on my fingers. Thank GOD for calculators.I count on my figures sometimes. I almost always do the 9 times table on my fingers (not that I'm multiplying by nine all that often, but geez).



5. I never write or type anything without a dictionary by my side. It is an exhausting exercise simply to make myself understood.
I can never find the dictionary when I need it, so I've got http://dictionary.com (http://dictionary.com/) bookmarked. I have yet to lose my computer!

My secret shame, the thing that I hide the most is my messy house. Virtually no one gains entrance to my home because it is such a mess. I went a week without heat so I could get the house somewhat presentable before calling the repairman in.

I'm like that, too. Come to find out it can indicate a learning disorder called Information Processing Disorder (auditory). Here's some info I just looked up... http://www.ld.org/LDInfoZone/InfoZone_FactSheet_InformationPD.cfm



Yes, this is me too. Cental Auditory Processing Disorder if memory serves. When The Brain Can't Hear is a good book. It is very frustrating because although you're literally straining to absorb to what's being said, you still miss the meaning. Your ears hear the words but the brain doesn't process them. So you're like Wha???? :confused: The speaker grows frustrated and exasperated at what he perceives to be your lack of interest. Painful disorder. :o

On my job, I do better with the written word than spoken. I'd much rather communicate by e-mail than phone or in person because I can get confused sometimes.

Well I just had myself a good cry after reading this thread. I'm newly diagnosed with ADD at 42. Here after all these years SO much is finally starting to make sense...why I can't spell to save my life, why I have always counted on my fingers, why I have to sing the alphabet to remember what letter comes next, why I have trouble with north, south, east and west and have to use right, left, up and down instead, all those things and probably lots more! It's not that I mind doing those things if that's what it takes to get the job done...if it works, why not? BUT it would have been so nice to have this information when it all seemed to matter so much...childhood would have been so much easier if someone could have just told me that this is WHY I do things the way I do. It really makes me sad, but on the other hand I feel so much better knowing there is a reason why I do things the way I do AND that I'm not alone.

Yes, this is me too. Cental Auditory Processing Disorder if memory serves. When The Brain Can't Hear is a good book. It is very frustrating because although you're literally straining to absorb to what's being said, you still miss the meaning. Your ears hear the words but the brain doesn't process them. So you're like Wha???? :confused: The speaker grows frustrated and exasperated at what he perceives to be your lack of interest. Painful disorder. :o

On my job, I do better with the written word than spoken. I'd much rather communicate by e-mail than phone or in person because I can get confused sometimes.


This is going to sound a bit silly. But when I really need to remember something I will read it once silently. Then I will read it again with my lips forming the words as I read them. For some reason the act of moving my lips makes the words real and I can remember them.

I wonder how many kids in schools were told not to move their lips while reading and then fell behind.

In conversation sometimes I have to go blank and listen without response. Then once the person leaves I replay it in my head, decipher it and move forward.

OMG... I have a hard time with NORTH ...SOUTH... EAST ....WEST. That is a terrible one for me if I am in a different city and suppose to give directions. I am use to living byt the lake and I know that is north and the rest falls into place. As for the HOT and COLD I have a H or C on my faucets so no problem. I do have red nail polish on my ancient stove. I live in an apt and the old lady who lived here before me put red nail polish on the off button.... I have push buttons and numbers for High is like a 5 and Med High is 4 and so on it drive me nuts. As for my Right and Left I better be wearing my watch or I get confused. I do know them but I have to wear that stupid watch.

I still count on my fingers and have to write a word out to spell it unless it is a simple on like CAT. I am glad there are otheres who go through the same things .... so I am not crazy.... just Normal in this room hehehe auntchris

1. At work yesterday, I asked a coworker if it was the left or the right faucet for hot water. I feel safe with her, so it was much faster than what I usually have to do to figure it out....(let it run until the temperature is revealed)

I also have to rediscover this on occasion.
There are many times I have to ask for something that I feel that everyone should know.


2. To remember directions, I have to think of the West coast as Left/East coast as Right/North as my head/South as my feet. (Clearly, this doesn't always work...I am chronically lost). Visualize me shaking one or the other of my hands when someone is talking about geography.

I am OK if I have a map, but do not give me left/right type directions.


3. To remember what comes next in the alphabet, I sing it.

I also have to recite the alphabet.


4. For years, I have surreptitiously counted on my fingers. Thank GOD for calculators.

I picture dice in my head and then count the dots.
I guess they might be cards, becuase I have an 8 and 9 dotted pattern as well.
Even doing math on paper, I will tap the pattern when adding numbers.


5. I never write or type anything without a dictionary by my side. It is an exhausting exercise simply to make myself understood.

I have an xtreme issue making myself understood.
I do better when writing, becuase I can think a little longer, but I swear my verbal vocabulary is much, much smaller than my written one.

I also have trouble with spelling (although I used to be very good), and must sing the alphabet song in my head, and count on my fingers (very hidden). Unfortunately, I am ashamed of all of these things. I know I should be, but I am.

Another thing I've never shared with anyone: I have a TERRIBLE face recognition issue. That is, I cannot remember what someones face looks like with my eyes closed... I immediately DO recognize them when I see them, but couldn't conjure up the image in my head if it were to save my life.

Is this a normal part of ADD, or just a normal part of me?

Hi Michael,

Does this help?

Spatial working memory (swm)

Impaired spatial working memory in adults with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder: comparisons with performance in adults with borderline personality disorder and in control subjects.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi...t&list_uids=15180779 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi...t&list_uids=15180779)<MCD c="/url" />

AND SIMILARLY ...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi...t&list_uids=15338103 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgicmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15338103)<MCD c="/url" />
Neurocognitive effects of methylphenidate in adult attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder.
RATIONALE: Features of childhood attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) often persist into adulthood. It has been shown that adult ADHD is associated with various neurocognitive deficits, including impairments in spatial working memory (SWM) and attention. It is not known whether these deficits are ameliorated by methylphenidate in adult ADHD.
CONCLUSIONS: Adults with ADHD had a similar neurocognitive response to methylphenidate to that previously reported for childhood ADHD. Our results provide further support for the validity of the ADHD syndrome as defined by DSM-IV and indicate possible neurocognitive substrates for clinical improvement with chronic methylphenidate.

SB.

Thank you, SB.

It does not help me much, for two reasons.

1) The links do not work.... I get a "can't find the requested page" error. Are the links complete?

2) My SWM seems to be ok. I have a very well developed sense of 3 dimensions and depth perception. I'm an Architect, and my spatial perception is quite strong, but my handwriting (and sketching) is quite horrible. How's THAT for irony!?!?

i have alphabet trouble too. it takes me a long time to look up the dictionary or phone book. :) i have to sing it (but i can start from a given place, not just from a - z)

in my defence: there are A LOT! of letters in the alphabet, and there's nothing which designates a certain letter to have a particular value or place.

why does it need an order anyway?!

I found all of your comments so funny. One time I was giving some account number to a guy over the phone and I said "D as in David, Z as in xylaphone!!!!", good thing my mom was standing there to quickly correct me. I am so slow when it comes to stuff like this. I have also wished that this had a spell check.

Even when asked for my kids birhtdates I usually have to stop and think about it and then kind of question if it's right or not.

It's wierd though that I can be so slow with stuff like that but I am really quick in a witty way.

That is why I want to lobby for spell check on this forum!
It is really hard to find a word you can't spell...and it takes a LONG time...like I said, no wonder we're all worn out!:eek:
Yes I know! I usually cut and paste my posts in MS Word to check by spelling before I post them. It would be nice to have an online spell checker built in to this Message Board.

For email, I'm using Gmail, a web-based email service that actually does have a built in spell checker. I find it's really convenient. I used to use MS Outlook for that same reason, but I find web-based email to be far more convenient.