View Full Version : Adderall and Opiates


ADHDisAjoke
05-06-13, 06:53 PM
I STRONGLY URGE NOT TO MIX THE TWO but unfortunately I got addicted to both, adderall and tramadol/Kratom. I was actually clean from the tramadol but I hated the way Adderall made me felt, I couldnt eat and would get a headache and couldnt go to the gym. I would get super depressed coming off in the evenings. However, I combined Kratom with it and I noticed I could eat a decent sized breakfast, ate lunch, went to the gym, etc. The combination turned into a bad addiction so dont think this is a post recommending this unless you want to flush your life down the toilet, but what else is out there that you can take with adderall that takes that edge off? What about Loperamide? I am a guy and want my muscles back, but I either have to get off the adderall for good or it will never happen.

namazu
05-06-13, 07:13 PM
(From your post it's not clear if you're taking the Adderall for therapeutic reasons or for a high, or if it started as the former and turned into the latter. The rest of this post assumes you're taking it to treat ADHD. If not, I'll endorse your suggestion that aiming to get off Adderall for good would be the way to go.)

Have you discussed the possibility of taking a lower dose of Adderall with your doctor? If it works, but the side effects are problematic, it may be worth a try.

Also, are you keeping well enough hydrated?

Does your appetite come back in the evening, or in the morning before it kicks in? If you can get a healthy breakfast or dinner with good protein, that may help.

Are you taking any body-building or nutritional supplements? Some supplements contain caffeine, other stimulants (which might not be listed as such), or other ingredients that can interact badly with Adderall, making you feel "edgy". If you're taking any of these, be sure to let your doctor know so s/he can check for interactions.

If you're having to take or looking to take a medication simply to counter the side effects of the first medication, you may be better off changing the first medication instead of adding more substances into the mix.

Good luck.

ADHDisAjoke
05-06-13, 08:27 PM
I got the script the same way 90% of adderall users do, I told the doctor how I couldnt concentrate, felt lethargic, blah blah blah, basically just normal feelings everyone has when at work.

However, when I went overseas my responsibilities at work were much higher, and I am sure a not of you know that people start just thinking you probably always work that hard, so its gets to a point where you think you need it because otherwise people will notice if you stop.

Career wise I have made strides while on adderall, but I also think it can backfire because you are not as personable (at least I wasn't). I am all work, all serious, and then when it wears off I just want to go back to my mess of an apartment and eat a dinner of ice cream or chicken nuggets from the grocery store. I hold down a $120,000k job in the middle of nowhere, I am not really the average junkie who is strung out on opiates and speed.

Until you have dealt with an opiate addiction its hard to know what kind of depression one goes through when they are at that stage where they want off, they are going through a taper, or they have just recently quit. Its as if nothing in life, and I mean nothing, can make you happy. I could win a $500 million lottery and wouldnt want to get out of bed to go cash in the ticket because you feel so worthless. A lot of opiate abusers switch to adderall when going though W/D's, then they suddenly just start abusing that but convince themselves and tell others they have ADHD so they need it.

Most countries dont even believe ADD/ADHD is a real condition, they dont offer adderall overseas in most countries. When I was gone I had to have a 3 month supply mailed to me.

I asked the nurse once if I could get another prescription of adderall, like a 5-10mg of immediate release just to take on the weekends to sort of taper down a bit but she acted like I was crazy and said you just stop and thats it. I just want to tell her I am not a college kid taking these during exam week to pass finals, I take these everyday just to keep my job, suddenly quitting with my responsibilities is a scary situation to think about.

Fortune
05-06-13, 08:48 PM
I got the script the same way 90% of adderall users do, I told the doctor how I couldnt concentrate, felt lethargic, blah blah blah, basically just normal feelings everyone has when at work.


This is inaccurate. There's a difference between the "normal feelings" people have at work and the difficulties people with ADHD have, which is why ADHD is a psychological/medical diagnosis and being at work is not.

Are you saying you exaggerated your symptoms to get a prescription?

Edit to clarify: The above question doesn't necessarily mean you're faking ADHD to get a prescription. I guess my point is more that ADHD is something real and 90% of people don't exaggerate to get treatment (there is a percentage, but it isn't that high).

namazu
05-07-13, 12:28 AM
Until you have dealt with an opiate addiction its hard to know what kind of depression one goes through when they are at that stage where they want off, they are going through a taper, or they have just recently quit. Its as if nothing in life, and I mean nothing, can make you happy. I could win a $500 million lottery and wouldnt want to get out of bed to go cash in the ticket because you feel so worthless. A lot of opiate abusers switch to adderall when going though W/D's, then they suddenly just start abusing that but convince themselves and tell others they have ADHD so they need it.
Hey, I'm not judging you. If you have a legitimate prescription from a doctor, who am I to dispute that?

I won't pretend to know what it's like to come off an opiate addiction, but I imagine it's utter hell. I do have experience with severe depression, so I can sympathize on that front.

It's a tricky thing -- some addicts do fake ADHD to get pills. Other addicts have ADHD and have been unknowingly self-medicating. Some probably have ADHD but think they need to fake it to get pills -- it's complicated. Like I said, addictions are no fun and I'm not here to judge.

Still, if you believe that your use of Adderall is strictly tied to depression from getting off opiates (i.e. if you don't have any childhood history of ADHD symptoms and your difficulties at work are related primarily to depression and high expectations), you may do well to contact an addiction specialist. (Actually, even if you have clear-cut, life-long ADHD -- perhaps especially in that case -- you'd still do well to contact an addiction specialist if you have access to one where you are. They may be able to help you manage opiate withdrawal and behavior patterns associated with addiction, to lessen the depression and emptiness.)

I am not in a position to tell you whether or not you should be taking Adderall or whether or not you have ADHD, but it's worth giving these issues some hard thought. For some with ADHD, treating the ADHD makes it easier to break other addictions because that need for stimulation (or anticipation of constant failure) diminishes once the ADHD is managed well. For others, use of ADHD meds also becomes problematic.

Most countries dont even believe ADD/ADHD is a real condition, they dont offer adderall overseas in most countries. When I was gone I had to have a 3 month supply mailed to me.
Yes, the lack of Adderall in other countries does make continuity of care tricky. Methylphenidate or other forms of amphetamine may be available in other countries, but that would likely require finding the one person who's heard of ADHD in adults... (I exaggerate only slightly -- and in some countries, that is reality.)

I asked the nurse once if I could get another prescription of adderall, like a 5-10mg of immediate release just to take on the weekends to sort of taper down a bit but she acted like I was crazy and said you just stop and thats it. I just want to tell her I am not a college kid taking these during exam week to pass finals, I take these everyday just to keep my job, suddenly quitting with my responsibilities is a scary situation to think about.
That's odd -- most people with ADHD who are prescribed medications are prescribed them 7 days a week. ADHD doesn't go away on weekends.

Some people do prefer to take breaks on weekends, or want their kids to do so due to concerns about growth or tolerance. (It's unclear to what extent these strategies make a difference.) But a lot of people find that a) they need to be functional on weekends, too, and b) jerking their brains around like that by stopping and starting medication every few days isn't a good idea, so they take medication every day.

Do you have enough medication by prescription that you could take your regular dose every day? This would avoid the need for a separate IR prescription for tapering...you'd just take it all week.

But back to the all-work-no-play-antisocial-not-hungry-edgy-feeling problem -- these could be an indication that your current dose of Adderall is too high, or perhaps that Adderall just isn't the best ADHD medication for you. Other meds may be easier that Adderall to obtain overseas, and perhaps they'd play better with your body chemistry. Then taking it consistently all week would be less of a burden -- you wouldn't need to take weekends off to feel social and relaxed.

Talk to your prescribing physician to see whether a trial of a reduced dose of Adderall might be beneficial (effective, without the unpleasant side effects), or whether it might be worthwhile to try something else.

Good luck.

sarahsweets
05-07-13, 04:31 AM
The problems you describe sound seem like an issue of to high a dose of adderall. Was the adderall to help coming off opiates or were opiates used to treat the crash of adderall?

CthulhuMinion
05-31-13, 11:49 PM
Man, Tramadol is no joke.

Kratom on the other hand has a completely safe, but uncomfortable detox. I'm addicted to Kratom but I found recently that when I take my regular 10 mg dose of Adderall it completely masks the withdrawal symptoms.

MrMike223
06-06-13, 12:01 AM
I got the script the same way 90% of adderall users do, I told the doctor how I couldnt concentrate, felt lethargic, blah blah blah, basically just normal feelings everyone has when at work.

A lot of opiate abusers switch to adderall when going though W/D's, then they suddenly just start abusing that but convince themselves and tell others they have ADHD so they need it.



This pretty much sums it up. It sounds like you should be seeking real help like NA or some form of treatment program. Its common narcissistic behavior for addicts to assume that others "do what they do". Most people who are on adderall or other forms of highly controlled substance dont just feed their Dr.s BS to "get what they want" to abuse meds. Thats addictive behavior that needs treatment.

A lot of opiate users don't just "switch to adderall" when having W/D. These are all false statements. I think what you mean to say is that drug addicts, find away to abuse medication no matter what type it is.

If you want to get better and get healthy then you should seek a treatment program that doesn't involve any narcotics or highly addictive medications. Regardless at some point or another you will need to go through an uncomfortable w/d period but should taper meds your currently taking under a real Dr.s supervision, as in one your going to be honest with instead of taking advantage of to feed your addiction...

Im ADHD and have been since birth. I can assure you its not some made up condition to get meds to help us feel better. I say this is narcissistic behavior because addicts are notorious for such behavior. Because so many drug abusers take to medication like Vicodin, tramadol, adderall etc... it make it a nightmare for people with legitimate medical conditions to be treated properly. You should seek the proper treatment you really need, good luck to you.