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Milwaukee55
06-21-13, 05:34 PM
Hey everyone,
I'm gonna try my best not to blabber, but I am frustrated and desperate for some help.
Yesterday my psychologist's secretary called me up, saying they would no longer follow me and my future appointments have been canceled. He made this decision on my last visit after I told him I spoke pot everyday...
It's totally ridiculous that they would do something like this and leave me out and dry with out my meds... but what ever, I dont need a quack doctor..

I have ADD and I believe it has a direct link with my pot addiction. My friends and family brush it off, but I have a serious problem. I dont want to smoke weed. I NEED to smoke weed. I dont even feel high anymore, but if I dont have it in my system I start to panic.
I used to think it helped, but it's just a crutch. And that crutch is really starting to slow me down. I was depressed a lot of the time during my life and this was all i had.

Society has made it quite difficult for me to kick it though. 1st it was a drug and now its like the magic medicine for everyone and its weirder if you dont smoke pot.... everyone enables me, from my employer who smokes, to all my friends, to even my father who doesnt care that I smoke in my room.
I literally feel like turning myself into the police just so someone would get on my *** and threaten me with a ****-test and jail time. :(

The best way I could describe how I feel, is a vice for a hat. When I smoke the vice releases tension. But as soon as it releases, it starts to slowly turn and tighten until it gets too tight and I have to smoke again.

Mix this with my ADD that Im still trying to grasp and control. And Im really having trouble getting anything in my life done.

Joining this forum and typing this out probably took me a few hours, which drives me nuts!

Im trying my best to find the right doctor for me, I just want to get my problems under control :-/ and move on with life

janiew
06-21-13, 07:54 PM
That's horrible that your psychologist dropped you because you smoke pot daily! Would he have dropped you if you drank daily? What is the orientation of this psychologist?

A lot of people smoke pot to self-medicate. Hopefully you will find a pdoc who will diagnose the ADHD and prescribe the meds you need.

I was just diagnosed early last month and I've been on Adderall XR and Zoloft for anxiety since. It's making a huge difference. Not perfect but much better.

Good luck!

Fraser_0762
06-21-13, 07:59 PM
Your psychologist probably doesn't see the point giving you medication to help you focus, when you're destroying your attention span with grass anyway.

My advice would be to gradually cut down until you're clean. Then to see a new psychologist.

Smoking grass for ADD is completely counterproductive and will only make the symptoms worse.

Milwaukee55
06-21-13, 10:41 PM
Your psychologist probably doesn't see the point giving you medication to help you focus, when you're destroying your attention span with grass anyway.

My advice would be to gradually cut down until you're clean. Then to see a new psychologist.

Smoking grass for ADD is completely counterproductive and will only make the symptoms worse.

****, I would agree with him. Just wish he would've given me some help or a # to someone who can...

I bought my "last" bag so many times, but here i am still toking.. I just feel like I have a problem and Im self medicating.. but I cant just be off my weed-medicine with out having something to keep me at bay...

sarahsweets
06-22-13, 04:40 AM
well your doctor has the right to refuse treatment to someone doing drugs even if you wanted help and they didnt give it. have you checked around for an addiction therapist or specialist that can help? If you can not stop smoking weed, just like if you cant stop drinking, then you need professional help.

jdgrandcru
07-18-13, 09:35 AM
i have been smoking pot since 1972. I gave it up three weeks ago, because I'm going to be job hunting soon, and i don't want to fail a drug test. I feel better in the morning, but unfortunately my ADHD symptoms for the last 3 years have gotten much worse. I wonder if all the trials i did with various
ADHD meds (none of which worked) were made worse because of my use of pot? I'm also wondering if I should try them again, now that I don't use anymore. I haven't been a daily user in years but, i'd say 3-4 times a week (a small amount). I still drink alcohol, but only a few times a week. (I'm in the wine business lol)

Blanched Dubois
07-18-13, 10:42 AM
The truth is that you live in Ft Lauderdale - it's illegal. Nothing done daily is good and one must take into account the fact that we all have to be conservative and follow the protocol of your pdoc - presumably a good one.

The biggest problem in this country is lack of privacy and the abuse of people and resources and rampant power abuse.

If you're going to keep smoking move to colorado - or give it up and seek another way to de stress - anti anxiety meds and therapy?

Your body is your body and your Dr has the right to exercise his or her discretion as you are - do the right thing for yourself and your life. Only YOU can do it.

Parterxred
07-18-13, 04:31 PM
Collateral Sanctions. This concept is how a criminal charge negatively affects other dimensions of your life.

For example, If you have a Marijuana charge in New Mexico and you intend to stay in New Mexico you're life is generally unaffected. The collateral sanctions in New Mexico in regards to Marijuana are the most lenient. Penalties are less severe than states where Marijuana is legal.

Florida is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. This a very serious charge. It can be crippling so to speak.

Be careful and do you your homework.

janiew
07-18-13, 06:30 PM
Yes, of course a doctor can refuse to treat a person because of drug use. At the same time, Milwaukee55 was seeking professional help.

Asylum
07-18-13, 09:28 PM
I don't think you're self-medicating as much as addicted to it. What kind of drug addiction treatments are in your area?

ADDinHDefgHi?!
07-21-13, 06:56 AM
I think you should find a new psychologist, in my experience a good psychologist won't drop you just because you have an addiction, especially one that you're trying to quit. Besides, proper treatment demands complete honesty on the part of the patient. You're better off now in my opinion, you can find a psych who can help you deal with your issues now.

Maybe you should see a psychiatrist as they could prescribe meds to help you get off the marijuana.

I used to smoke pot daily for years, it was partially my ADHD diagnosis and the meds that came with it that got me to stop it. When I started on Ritalin I no longer had a desire to smoke weed anymore.

I know what it feels like to have a weed habit turn on you though, I used it daily for years with no problem then it started giving me panic attacks. I had to change the people that I hung out with when I first stopped smoking pot. Like you, all my friends and even my employers were pot smokers. The first job I ever had when I was 15 was at a restaurant and the boss would give me weed to take home if I didn't have any, it was just assumed that everybody smoked weed.

You may find when you stop smoking pot that the people you used to smoke pot with are no longer as interesting as they once were. There is a lifestyle component to pot smoking that can be as hard or harder to quit than the actual drug. For me, the lifestyle aspect of weed was harder to quit than the drug, I realized when I quit that all of my relationships were in part based on a mutual love of smoking pot.

It all takes time, if you can't quit, cut down. Realize it's a big change and try not to fall in the habit of replacing the weed with other more addictive drugs. I made this mistake and ended up getting addicted to Opiates and Benzos and Alcohol, now those drugs were REALLY HARD to quit!

In general I think it's not the drugs that are the problem, it's the addiction and the self destructive habits we embrace when we're not dealing with our issues in a healthy way that are the real problem. If you can deal with your stress without smoking pot and without substituting your old addiction with a new one you are doing well.

One day at at a time...

Mitch45
07-23-13, 08:06 PM
I stopped drinking and smoking pot 22 years ago with the help of Alcoholics Anonymous. I still go to AA meetings 4 or 5 times a week. I truly enjoy AA and the awesome relationships I have in and out of the rooms thanks to AA.

I started smoking pot a age 12. I smoked pot daily from age 13 through 28. Plus a considerable amount of Rum. Each morning I started with a wake and bake and continued through out the day and night everyday.

I agree with the doctor refusing to see you wile you are smoking pot. If you want to stop you can; with help. If you do not want to stop, you will not. And rehabs are not necessary and don't work if you don't want to stop. It's up to you. Your choice.

I think giving up pot is your first priority. And do not replace it with Alcohol or benzodiazepine tranquilizers.

Try "Narcotics Anonymous" or AA. You can do it. Its not that tough if you accept help with out argument and you want to stop.

If your successful in getting off pot, I would find help with ADHD with a doctor that has training and experience in addiction recovery. It harder for and addict to con a doctor trained in addiction recovery into giving us drugs we (addicts) should not take.

There is no recovery from the brain fog wile your smoking pot or abusing alcohol.

Rebelyell
07-23-13, 11:14 PM
Gee I wish I could smoke.....

RossMarkowitz
08-19-13, 07:17 AM
You'll be fine, just find a new psych. That's complete garbage and discriminatory. You're self-medicating, maybe it would occur to them to try and help you, rather than cutting off what is helping you...

I have a similar issue, with a bad doc. I'm prescribed vyvanse at a dose that just isn't helping. My doctor is ridiculously greedy and makes me go to 4 appointments a month for 1 prescription of vyvanse, plus therapy appointments. It's ********, but I can't switch just yet because I have a grueling work schedule and don't have the time right now.

Vyvanse isn't working for me, and I've taken concerta and adderall before--both worked far better and didn't give me the ice-cold, emotionless, zombie feeling I get from V. If anyone has any advice, or is looking to to unload some extra advice or trade advice, please contact me directly by email, thanks.

someothertime
08-19-13, 11:21 AM
Rough to get dropped without alot of notice.......

Kind of understand why they would do it tho....... or at least stop the meds and keep seeing you........

Pot and stims don't mix man/woman..... are you young? Were you on Stims? I also self medicated with weed, was a hardcore smoker for 12 years. When I started stims, I don;t feel the need much if at all. Stims enable, pot "partialially enables" by getting you (me) over fusation but in a hyperfocus kind of way but this only lasts for an hour or two then it't back into the shell / bed ( withdrawl )

Chemically it's no good too ( which is why I suspect the cologist got so distancy. Stims spped you up, pot slows you down.


Do you wan't to stop pot? and continue meds?

Do you believe there is a counterproductive thing going on?

Were you getting good non-medicinal therapy from this person?

What are you going to do?

someothertime
08-19-13, 11:23 AM
My doctor is ridiculously greedy and makes me go to 4 appointments a month for 1 prescription of vyvanse, plus therapy appointments.

**** me!

That is greedy!

hetware
08-22-13, 10:56 AM
Yesterday my psychologist's secretary called me up, saying they would no longer follow me and my future appointments have been canceled. He made this decision on my last visit after I told him I spoke pot everyday...
It's totally ridiculous that they would do something like this and leave me out and dry with out my meds... but what ever, I dont need a quack doctor..


This is the catch 22 of shrinks. "You have to be completely honest with use, and hold nothing back." But when you are completely honest, you suffer adverse consequences.

As for weed, I haven't smoked in years, but I do like it. OTOH, it magnifies my ADHD significantly. I came to realize that when I smoke pot, I get a lot more inattentive than most people.

I also believe that chronic marijuana use can have an adverse effect on a person's mood and personality. Depending on the type of work you do, it can also have a significant detrimental effect on job performance.

I understand what you are saying about being surrounded by druggies. I have isolated myself just to stay away from drugs. The people who like me like drugs. The people who don't like drugs don't like me.

I suggest you do what you can to get away from regular use of marijuana. Good luck.

kbhassan
12-02-13, 05:11 AM
Marjuana and adhd dont mix, your just making your adhd worse by smokint pot.

Modafinilguy
12-15-13, 02:28 PM
Marjuana and adhd dont mix, your just making your adhd worse by smokint pot.

Smoking it 24/7 probably isn't a great idea, especially if you on a stimulant.

However I often smoke it before bed (3-4 times per week at the moment), its not a big deal.

DichotOhMy
12-20-13, 04:17 PM
I'm probably in the minority here, but I do enjoy marijuana on occasion and feel that it has a place with conventional ADHD treatment. Marijuana works as a standalone ADHD treatment for some people, and is approved for medical use for ADHD in at least California, so it should not be discounted as an option for the undiagnosed - especially in light of the fact that self medicating with alcohol or illicit stimulants is undeniably more dangerous.

When I do use marijuana, I try to go for a sativa with low THC and low CBD content. That sort of strain can clear my head up and minimize the increase in inattentiveness that any marijuana causes for me. If I feel like approaching ideas or complex issues from a different angle, a high-THC sativa gets me "wierd" enough to formulate insights and creative measures from a perspective I can't experience otherwise

All this is to say that while marijuana is good for squashing hyperactivity and impulsiveness for me, every strain of marijuana I've ever tried causes a significant increase in inattentive symptoms for me. As such, I only smoke weed on days where the brain fog is so bad that the day is pretty much lost anyway, or I smoke late in the day when I want to relax and unwind prior to going to bed.

sarahsweets
12-21-13, 07:05 AM
Waaay back in the day when I dabbled in weed, it only made my attention and focus worse, and paranoia awful.

spacewoman
12-21-13, 07:42 AM
Waaay back in the day when I dabbled in weed, it only made my attention and focus worse, and paranoia awful.

For Sarah and others, for how long do you find yourself additionally impaired after smoking ... for just the few hours after or does it continue to affect you for days. I'm trying to explore if this is something I can do occasionally (being strategic with timing as some discussed here) now that I'm diagnosed and on meds, or if it's something I really need to avoid all the time.

DichotOhMy
12-21-13, 05:05 PM
For Sarah and others, for how long do you find yourself additionally impaired after smoking ... for just the few hours after or does it continue to affect you for days. I'm trying to explore if this is something I can do occasionally (being strategic with timing as some discussed here) now that I'm diagnosed and on meds, or if it's something I really need to avoid all the time.

This is a tough question because the only useful answer is "everyone experiences drugs differently."

Personally, I only smoke around 1/16 of a gram when I smoke so I'm not "baked over" the next day like higher amounts of marijuana can cause. I don't feel any different the next day, or for any period of time after cessation if I've been smoking for a longer period of days. I will be impaired for the rest of the day after I comedown, if I smoke early in the day, which is why I only smoke late in the day. Marijuana is known to cause melatonin production to increase, which makes you tired when you come down. Marijuana is also known to decrease the quantity of REM sleep and increase the quantity of non-restorative N1 and N2 sleep, so one will objectively sleep worse after smoking marijuana - even if the subjective experience says otherwise.

It's inadvisable to use marijuana with ADHD meds active in your system, for a lot of reasons, but again, the "everyone is different" caveat applies.

Musical Dreamer
12-24-13, 12:28 PM
I agree that smoking pot can be a really good way to engage hyperfocus. Though, the more you use, the less likely you will be able to get there. I'm having the same sorts of issues. I'm very high-functioning when it comes to my addiction (I think the technical definition involves adverse affects to you life, of which I have none that come to mind), but there are so many reasons to quit. I smoke and drive a lot. There's no need to lecture me, I know it's wrong and I'm trying to stop. With decriminalization, that's pretty much the only way I could get into trouble here. An OUI could cost me my job, and a dirty CORI would guarantee that I could never work with children again. So it's a huge gamble every time I do it, which shows just how powerful the habit is.

I've never had a psychologist quit on me because of my addiction, but my first psychiatrist was pretty harsh about it. A lot of time in sessions was spent on "teaching" me about the negative side-effects (as if I didn't already know). It's kind of a moot point, since this state is moving in the direction of California on the issue. Again, that makes it even more difficult to quit since the stigma is shrinking. Anyway, he prescribed me Wellbutrin, thinking it would help my ADD symptoms and get me to quit smoking (pot and cigarettes). A lot of good that did me.

That was kind of ranty, but I wanted to say that I feel your pain, dude. It is true that using can derail your treatment, but what you need is support not judgment.