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Abi
09-15-13, 11:33 AM
HOW TO PLAY

1. There will be two teams, the INNOCENTS and the VAMPIRES. Initially, there are approximately 80% Innocents and 20% Vampires. There is also an unallied SERIAL KILLER who does not belong to either team. More about him later.

2. * The VAMPIRES will all be made aware of each others identities and will be informed of such by me via PM, and will work together.
* The INNOCENTS will also need to work as a team, but none of them will know whether another player is a Human (or Human-allied) or a Vampire.

3. There will be two phases, the DAY PHASE, and the NIGHT PHASE.

* In the DAY PHASE everyone will vote on the thread to STAKE one of the players as a VAMPIRE. The species of the Staked player will be revealed, and they will be eliminated.
* In the NIGHT PHASE the Vampires will choose a human to turn into a Vampire; by PMing me. They must also select and tell me which one of them will do the turning. (The Vampires may also choose to just kill someone instead of turning them, though it is almost always in the Vampires' interests to turn someone to increase their numbers.)

A "turned" human will become a VAMPIRE and be privy to the identities of the other Vampires, and will automatically become allied with them. A killed human will be eliminated.

4. The day and night phases will alternate until a win condition is met:
* The INNOCENTS win if they kill off all the Vampires and the Serial Killer has been killed or rehabilitated.
* The VAMPIRES win once they make up at least 50% of the population, and the Serial Killer has been killed or turned.
* The SERIAL KILLER wins if he is one of the final 2 surviving players.

5. * Each day phase shall last at least 46 hours real time, unless a majority vote for staking someone is achieved.
* Each night phase shall last at least 22 hours real time, unless the Vampires and all the Special Roles (see below) have made their moves.
* The durations of the Day and Night phases will be longer in real time over weekends, since some people actually have real lives in meatspace. :eek:
* The durations of the Day and Night phases *may* be reduced below the minimums above when the end of the game grows near.

Abi
09-15-13, 01:35 PM
Note: 1. The choice of either a male or female pronoun for each Special Role is random and purely for convenience. It says nothing about the actual gender of the player assigned the role.

2. Unlike in Games 3 and 4:
there may be "surprise" secret roles not listed here;
there may be some special roles that are listed here, but which will not be assigned;
there may be some special roles that may be assigned to more than one player;
there *will* be secret items like vervain and wolfsbane extracts, magical rings, and what-not randomly assigned to players each "day", usually during the "twilight" period after the staking but before the thread is closed for the "night".



SPECIAL ROLES 1: KILLING ROLES

1. WEREWOLVES
Species: Werewolf
Allegiance: Innocents

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/TVD/Characters/__trevinoWolf.jpg.....https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/TVD/Characters/__hayleyWolf.PNG

How many in this game? 0, 1 or 2

Nature of role: Killing

Once every three nights, starting at the 3rd night phase, the WEREWOLF turns into a wolf-like creature and has the OPTION of killing a suspected Vampire with their poisonous bite; they should PM me during the night phase if they wish to kill someone.

The WEREWOLF doesn't know for certain whether the person they want to kill is a Vampire or not, so they may accidentally kill an Innocent.

Identity Revelation: Revealed upon the Werewolf's death.

Abilities & Vulnerabilities: The Werewolf can be killed by a Vampire. The Werewolf CANNOT be turned into a Vampire due to incompatible genetics. If a Vampire tries to turn a Werewolf, the Werewolf *DIES*.

Special Notes:
Despite the bad reputation of werewolves, our Werewolves are good guys and allies of the Innocents.
LIKE EVERY PLAYER, the Werewolf will die if staked by the mob during the day phase.



2. HUNTER
Species: Supernatural Human
Allegiance: Innocents

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/TVD/Characters/__jeremyHunter.jpg

How many in this game? 0, 1 or 2

Nature of role: Killing

The HUNTER has many nifty devices used for killing Vampires.

During each night phase, the HUNTER may CHOOSE to attempt to kill a suspected Vampire (by PM'ing me during the night phase). The Hunter may not know for sure that someone is a vampire, so he may accidentally kill an Innocent.

Identity Revelation: Revealed upon the Hunter's death.

Special Notes:
Hunter's Curse:
The Hunter cannot be turned into a Vampire; an attempt to do so will cause the Hunter to die. If the Hunter dies at the hands of a Vampire, that Vampire will be afflicted by THE HUNTER'S CURSE. She will become insane and kill herself at the dawn of the second day phase following the Hunter's murder. The insane cursed Vampire can still play normally during the period prior to her suicide. The Hunter's Curse does not apply if a non-Vampire kills him, or if he is staked by the mob.



3. BOURBON VAMPIRE
Species: Vampire
Allegiance: Vampires

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/TVD/Characters/__damonBourbon.jpg

How many in this game? 0 or 1

Nature of role: Disabling, "Turning", Killing

The BOURBON VAMPIRE is like any other Vampire, except that he has an unlimited supply of Bourbon Whiskey.

Each evening, the BOURBON VAMPIRE quietly leaves a bottle of Bourbon at the door of one of the players. The player finds the whiskey, drinks the whole bottle, and passes out for the rest of the night. If the player concerned has a special night role, they will be unable to carry it out, because they would have passed out.

The Bourbon Vampire must PM me his target; he is allowed and encouraged to do so in the day phase due to the rules of chronology described in post 8. Nevertheless, the Bourbon will only be actually delivered at the start of the night phase. He should also PM me a secondary target, in case his primary target is staked that day.

The Bourbon Vampire's special role is known to all other Vampires. He may discuss whom to send bourbon with his fellow Vampires, but the final decision is his own.

Identity Revelation: Revealed upon the Bourbon Vampire's death.

Special Notes:
Bourbon may not be sent to the same person on two consecutive days.


4. SEDUCTRESS
Species: Vampire
Allegiance: Vampires

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/TVD/Characters/__katherineSexy.jpg

How many in this game? 0 or 1

Nature of role: Disabling, "Turning", Killing

The SEDUCTRESS is a VAMPIRE who happens to be very SEDUCTIVE.

Each evening, the SEDUCTRESS chooses a player to visit (while wearing a mask of course) and... play Scrabble with. The player falls asleep after... playing Scrabble and will be unable to carry out their special night role if they have one.

The Seductress must PM me her target; she is allowed and encouraged to do so in the day phase due to the rules of chronology described in post 8. Nevertheless, she will only visit her target at the start of the night phase. She should also PM me a secondary target, in case her primary target is staked that day.

The Seductress' special role is known to all other Vampires. She may discuss whom to seduce with her fellow Vampires, but the final decision is her own.

Identity Revelation: Revealed upon the Seductress' death.

Special Notes:
The Seductress may not target the same player on two consecutive days.
The Jailer cannot be seduced - his orientation is such that he prefers... Monopoly.



5. SERIAL KILLER
Species: Human
Allegiance: Solo

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/TVD/Characters/__evilaric.jpg

How many in this game? Exactly 1

Nature of role: Killing

(Role has changed SLIGHTLY since Vampire Diaries Game 3)
Once a respected Vampire Hunter himself, the SERIAL KILLER is now insane, and wants to kill anyone and everyone - Vampires and Innocents alike.

Each night phase, he may choose to kill any player.

The SERIAL KILLER wins the game if, and only if, he is one of the last 2 surviving players.

Identity Revelation: Revealed upon the Serial Killer's death.

Special Notes:
May be turned into a regular Vampire just like any other human.
May be rehabilitated by the Witch, and become a regular Innocent human. The mechanism of the SK's rehabilitation is discussed in the section about the Witch.

Abi
09-15-13, 03:57 PM
SPECIAL ROLES 2: THE TOWN COUNCIL

The Town Council is led by the Mayor, and also comprises the Sheriff and any Doctors and Jailers who may be in the game.

The Town Council Members have an unlimited supply of Vervain, and so are immune from being turned or killed by Vampires at night. They are, of course, still vulnerable to Werewolves, Hunters, the Serial Killer, any surprise secret night-killers, and being staked by the mob during the day phase.

The Town Council Members function like the members of a Masonic Lodge. Their identities are known to one another and they may communicate amoung themselves privately, just as Vampires do.


6. MAYOR
Species: Human
Allegiance: Innocents

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/TVD/Characters/__hopkinsMayor.png

How many in this game? Exactly 1; and replaced upon death so long as there are living members of the Town Council.

Nature of role: Tiebreaker, Mason

(Role has changed SOMEWHAT from Vampire Diaries Game 2)
If there is a tie between two or more people regarding who to stake at the end of day phase, the person the MAYOR voted for is automatically staked.

If the MAYOR voted for someone other than one of the players involved in the tie, did not vote at all, or is dead the person the SHERIFF voted for will be staked. If the aforementioned situation also occurs with respect to the Sheriff's vote, I shall resolve the situation by choosing the name of the player to be staked from a hat containing the names of both/all players involved in the tie.

Identity Revelation: Only Revealed at the end of the game.

Abilities & Vulnerabilities: As a member of the Town Council, the Mayor guzzles vervain and therefore can never be night-killed by a Vampire nor turned into one. He is also aware of the identities of the other Council Members and allowed to communicate with them.

Special Notes:
As long as there are living members of the Town Council, the Mayoral role will be re-assigned.
The Mayor is the ONLY player that COULD hold two special roles - the second will necessarily also be a Town Council role.


7. The SHERIFF
Species: Human
Allegiance: Innocents

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/TVD/Characters/__liz_forbesSheriff.jpg

How many in this game? Exactly 1

Nature of role: Investigative, Tiebreaker, Mason

(Role has changed SOMEWHAT from the "COP" role in Game 3)
The SHERIFF is one the Innocents' greatest assets, and The Vampires' greatest threats.

Each night, the SHERIFF chooses one player to investigate, and can determine their SPECIES AND SPECIAL ROLE. If the Sheriff identifies a Vampire or the Serial Killer, it is up to her to convince the rest of the players to stake the villain the next day.

The Sheriff must PM me the name of one player to investigate each night phase, and I will inform her of the chosen player's species and role.

The Sheriff's vote may act as a tiebreaker for stakings under some circumstances. Please see the description of the Mayor's role.

Identity Revelation: Only Revealed at the end of the game.

Abilities & Vulnerabilities: As a member of the Town Council, the Sheriff guzzles vervain and therefore can never be night-killed by a Vampire nor turned into one. She is also aware of the identities of the other Council Members and allowed to communicate with them.

Special Notes: A human turned into a Vampire on night X will be regarded as being in transition for the duration of night X, and will investigate as human. Therefore, there is no reason for the Sheriff to delay her investigation till the end of the Night Phase. Similarly, there is no reason for the Vampires to delay turning their target.



8. JAILER
Species: Human
Allegiance: Innocents

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/TVD/Characters/__bill_forbesJailer.png

How many in this game? 0 or 1

Nature of role: Protective, Disabling, Mason

(Role has changed SOMEWHAT from Vampire Diaries Game 3)
The JAILER likes locking Vampires up in dungeons. Each evening, the Jailer chooses one player to lock up in the dungeon for the night, either because he suspects that they are evil, or for their own protection.

If the prisoner is a Vampire, the Serial Killer or a Special Role Innocent, they may NOT perform any actions that night. However, the prisoner is also safe that night from any form of attack.

The JAILER must PM me the name of his intended prisoner; he is allowed and encouraged to do so in the day phase due to the rules of chronology in post 8. The prisoner will only be actually locked away at the start of the night phase. The Jailer should also PM me a secondary prisoner, in case his primary choice is staked that day.

Identity Revelation: Only Revealed at the end of the game.

Abilities & Vulnerabilities: As a member of the Town Council, the Jailer guzzles vervain and therefore can never be night-killed by a Vampire nor turned into one. He is also aware of the identities of the other Council Members and allowed to communicate with them. The Jailer is immune to the wiles of the Seductress. The Jailer may not jail himself.


9. DOCTOR
Species: Human
Allegiance: Innocents

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/TVD/Characters/__meredithDoctor.png

How many in this game? 0, 1 or 2

Nature of role: Protective, Disabling, Mason

(Role has changed SOMEWHAT from Vampire Diaries Game 3)
The DOCTOR is a PROTECTOR of the Innocents.

Each night, the DOCTOR sneaks into one player's room, and injects them with a cocktail of vervain and wolfsbane, which are toxic to Vampires and Werewolves respectively.

If the injected party is:
* Human - she will be immune to any attacks by Vampires or the Werewolf that night.
* Vampire - she will be knocked unconscious for the entire night, and not be able to engage in any night activities; she will also be immune to an attack by the Werewolf.
* Werewolf - same effect as on Vampire, except he will be immune to attacks by Vampires.

The Doctor must PM me her choice of "patient"; she is allowed and encouraged to do so in the day phase due to the rules of chronology described in post 8. Nevertheless, the Doctor will only actually administer the injection at the start of the night phase. She should also PM me a secondary "patient", in case her primary choice is staked that day.

Identity Revelation: Only Revealed at the end of the game.

Abilities & Vulnerabilities: As a member of the Town Council, the Doctor guzzles vervain and therefore can never be night-killed by a Vampire nor turned into one. She is also aware of the identities of the other Council Members and allowed to communicate with them.

Special Notes:
The Doctor IS ALLOWED to inject herself.
The Doctor MAY NOT inject the same person on two consecutive days.

Abi
09-15-13, 05:09 PM
SPECIAL ROLES 3: THE REST OF THE SPECIAL ROLES

10. WITCH
Species: Supernatural Human
Allegiance: Innocents

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/TVD/Characters/__bonnieWitch.jpg

How many in this game? 0 or 1

Nature of role: Investigative, Rehabilitative

(Role has changed SOMEWHAT from Vampire Diaries Game 3)
The WITCH is another strong asset to the Innocents and threat to the Vampires.

Each night phase, the WITCH performs a magic ritual which allows her to divine the species of a player: Human, Vampire, Werewolf or Shapeshifter. Unlike the SHERIFF, the Witch cannot divine the exact role of each player. Specifically she can't distinguish between the Serial Killer and any other human. If the Witch identifies a Vampire, it is up to her to convince the players to stake the Vamp the next day.

The Witch must PM me the name of one player to investigate each night phase, and I will inform her of the chosen player's species.

On any given night, the Witch may forgo her investigative ritual and instead send herbs to a suspected Serial Killer. The herbs will have no effect on other characters, however, if taken by the Serial Killer, will cause him to be rehabilitated and become an Innocent human.

Identity Revelation: Only Revealed at the end of the game.

Abilities & Vulnerabilities: Due to her magical abilities, the Witch has a 75% chance of SURVIVING any violent night action. If she survives, she will become aware of her attacker's identity (except for the Werewolf, who looks like a - wolf :rolleyes:) and the nature of the attack.

Special Notes:
A human turned into a Vampire on night X will be regarded as being in transition for the duration of night X, and will investigate as human. Therefore, there is no reason for the Witch to delay her investigation till the end of the Night Phase. Similarly, there is no reason for the Vampires to delay turning their target.
If the Witch is turned, she becomes a regular Vampire.
Like every other player, the Witch will die if staked by the mob during Day Phase.



11. REPORTER
Species: Human
Allegiance: Innocents

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/TVD/Characters/__andieReporter.jpg

How many in this game? 0 or 1

Nature of role: Investigative

(Role has changed SLIGHTLY from Vampire Diaries Game 3)
Each night, the REPORTER chooses one person to SPY ON & FOLLOW around for the course of the night. At the end of the Night Phase, the reporter is informed of everyone (if anyone) her target visited, as well as everyone who visited her target while the target was at home. The Reporter is NOT informed of what specific actions occurred.

The Reporter must PM me the name of the player she wishes to spy on that night; she is allowed and encouraged to do so in the day phase due to the rules of chronology in post 8 below. She should also PM me a secondary target, in case her primary choice is staked that day.

Identity Revelation: Only Revealed at the end of the game.

Abilities & Vulnerabilities: The REPORTER is a more powerful role than one might guess. Technically, the Reporter is *almost* immune from night kills, since she spends the entire night spying on/following her chosen player. So, if she chooses to spy on someone every night, and informs me timeously, she will never be in her room if a potential attacker visits. The exception occurs if she is targeted by the Bourbon Vampire or the Seductress.

If the Reporter's identity is suspected or revealed, the Vampires would be advised to bourbonise or seduce her, and turn or kill her. If the Reporter reveals her identity and is believed by either the Jailer or the Doctor, they can protect her either by locking her away or injecting her respectively.

Special Notes:
If the Reporter is turned, she becomes a regular Vampire.



12. SHAPESHIFTER
Species: Initially Unspecified
Allegiance: Initially Unspecified

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/TVD/Characters/__silasShapeshifter.jpg

How many in this game? **To be advised.

Nature of role: Placeholder

(Role has changed SIGNIFICANTLY since Vampire Diaries Game 3)
The SHAPESHIFTER is a placeholder role, that initially has no species, alignment or special abilities.

If a player resigns during the course of a game, a SHAPESHIFTER will be assigned the role of the resignee, and given all information that the resignee had collected, effectively taking over that player's role. The Shapeshifter may also be brought into play under other circumstances, at the Narrator's discretion.

Prior to being assigned a team, the Shapeshifter participates in discussions on the game thread and votes each day just like every other player. It is in the Shapeshifter's best interest to maintain a balance between the Vampires and the Innocents, as he does not know which team he will be assigned to. The Shapeshifter is entirely immortal until he is assigned a role. He cannot be staked during the day phase, night-killed, or turned.

Once assigned a team/role, the Shapeshifter retains that role for the remainder of the game (unless turned).

If either team wins before the Shapeshifter is assigned, but while still alive, he is regarded as co-winner.

Identity Revelation: Irrelevant as he is immortal prior to being assigned. Role will be revealed in the event of resignation or other unusual circumstance.

Abi
09-15-13, 05:52 PM
QUESTIONS, COMMUNICATION AND RULE INFRACTIONS

1. If you have a question about the rules of the game of a general nature, please post the question on this thread, during the DAY PHASE, and I shall answer as soon as I can.

2. If you have a question relating specifically to the rules pertaining to your secret identity (Vampire, Serial Killer or Special Role) you may ask me via PM.

3. You are allowed to state on this thread, during the day phase that "Abi told me such and such in a PM". You may (honestly or falsely) claim roles, make accusations, and give whatever true or false information you wish to. However, please note:

(i) I will neither confirm nor deny the truth of any such statements; and
(ii) You may NOT cut and paste direct quotes from PM's. Nor are you allowed to fabricate direct quotes and claim they were sent via PM. "PM quoting" is a game-rule infraction*.

4. Vampires may communicate amoung themselves privately, as well as post on the game thread during the day phase. Vampires may NOT privately discuss material info about the game with non-Vampires.

Town Council Members may communicate amoung themselves privately, as well as post on the game thread during the day phase. They may NOT privately discuss material info about the game with non-Members.

Other players may not privately discuss material info about the game with any other player; they may only post on the game thread during the day phase.

Proven prohibited communication is a game-rule infraction*.

5. Please adhere to the ADDF guidelines. Guideline violations are game-rule infractions*, and will also be subject to forum moderation actions.

6. When players wish to exercise their special roles they must do so by PMing me. Do NOT contact any player directly.

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* Rule Infractions:

- For a first offense - I shall take appropriate (private) action to penalise the offender and her team.
- For a second offense - The offender will be expelled from the game.

Abi
09-15-13, 06:04 PM
ONE-SHOT IMMUNITY

One-Shot Immunity has been introduced to prevent the game from becoming unreasonably prejudicial against either side due to the death or turning of a high-power player very early in the game.

One-Shot Immunity (hereafter called OSI) will be assigned to:
(i) Either the Bourbon Vampire or the Seductress (if at least one of these roles is in play), otherwise to one regular Vampire;
(ii) The Sheriff;
(iii) An additional Innocent of reasonably high power (Witch, Reporter, or Hunter); and
(iv) Two randomly chosen non-Vampires, just to muddle things up. Note "non-Vampires" does not equate to "Innocent humans" - Werewolves, Serial Killers, Shapeshifters, etc. are also eligible.


OSI will protect a player from the first action that would otherwise be guaranteed to result in them being killed (or turned, if human). If a player survives a night attack due to having OSI, the attacker will receive a message stating:

"Your attack against Player X was unsuccessful due to her having One-Shot Immunity."

The would-be victim will receive the message:

"An attack against you was blocked due to your One-Shot Immunity, which is now no longer active."

If a player with OSI receives the most votes to be staked during Day Phase, the player with the second-most votes will be staked, and it will be revealed on the thread that the player with the most votes had OSI.

One Exception: OSI has no protective effect on a Vampire afflicted by the Hunter's Curse.

In keeping with the reason for introducing OSI, all players' OSIs will expire at dawn on Day 3.

Abi
09-15-13, 06:08 PM
SECRET ITEMS

Each day, during Twilight (the period just before the start of the Night Phase), a randomly selected secret item will be given to a randomly selected eligible player. Innocents and the Serial Killer are eligible for most secret items, tho' Vampires are also eligible for a few.

Some secret items may be used only once, others multiple times. I won't say any more about the secret items, given that they *are* supposed to be secret afterall. :)

Abi
09-15-13, 06:18 PM
SOME FINAL GENERAL PRINCIPLES

1. Principle of Minimal Necessary Information

With respect to night actions, I shall only give the minimal necessary information regarding what occurred to the players involved. Particularly, a killed player will only be told their manner of death, not the identity of their killer.

At the beginning of the day phase, I shall only announce deaths on the game thread. The person killed, her manner of death, and species will be revealed. Special roles will be not be revealed in most cases.

If someone was turned, it will be announced since players need to keep a tally of how many Vampires and how many Innocents are in the game. Obviously, the identity of the turned human will not be revealed!


2. Principles of Chronology (Order) of Night Actions

In order to prevent paradoxes arising from night actions, they will be processed in the following order:

(i) a) Bourbon Vampire delivers bourbon.
b) Seductress seduces someone.
c) Sheriff investigates someone.
d) Jailer locks someone up.
e) Doctor injects someone.
f) Witch investigates someone or sends herbs.
g) Reporter begins spying on someone.

^^^The above 7 actions will be implemented in a (different) random order each day.
***Note: If I am only PM'd about the above actions after the start of the Night Phase, they will be implemented in order of receipt of PM's, just like the actions listed under (ii) below.

(ii) a) Vampires turn or kill someone.
b) Werewolf kills someone.
c) Hunter kills someone.
d) Serial Killer kills someone.

^^^The above 4 actions will be implemented in chronological order of the PM's I receive from the concerned players.

(iii) Just before the start of the day phase, the Reporter obtains the results of her investigations.


3. Principles relating the the Narrator (ME!!)

(i) The Narrator is neutral.
This is self-explanatory. I am not biased towards either team.

(ii) The Narrator is sane.
In some games like this, there are insane narrators, who do things like give the investigator ("Cop", "Witch", etc.) false or random information. I shall always either answer direct questions honestly, or say that I am unable to answer that question.

(iii) Clues
Clues will play A MUCH SMALLER role in this game than in previous games, and will be confined mainly to the first few game "days".

About two-thirds of the clues will be valuable, the other one-third will be deliberately misleading. In keeping with the principles of neutrality and sanity, both teams will have roughly equal opportunity to benefit from the clues.

Abi
09-16-13, 12:58 PM
DAY ONE

Camp Crystal Lake has been a thorn in the side of the Town Council for decades. Years ago, it was rumoured to be the site of numerous spree killings by Jason Voorhees, who was supposedly eventually captured and cryogenically frozen. The taxpayers donít want to pay for the Camp's upkeep, but residents nearby complain about the noises, the smells, the trash.

The police havenít been patrolling the area despite the complaints. Itís a pain to get through the woods and brush just to see a bunch of juvenile delinquents getting drunk or high and having promiscuous sex. Now and again, theyíll poke around a bit if thereís a Missing Person's Report, but maybe some mysteries just arenít worth solving. . . So thereís no real information about whatís going on there.

The Council makes a decision to go on a fact-finding mission so that they can decide on a use for the property that the voters will go along with. Itís a large piece of land, so theyíre roughing it in some borrowed campers and a couple of tents. A handful of citizen volunteers has been selected to come along and help.

But when a scream rips through the air on the first day, and everyone eventually manages to find where it came from, they end up staring in horror at a gruesome sight... Six bodies in various stages of decomposition lay in twisted disarray inside a large hollow in the woods. Their positions suggest that they struggled, but itís hard to determine what killed them because of how little of them is left... except for one. Members of the party with greater gastric fortitude examine the freshest body and find neat pairs of puncture marks on the neck, forearms, and thighs. This is not the work of an animal, and these are not needle marks.

The group realises that this is the work of Vampires and that the perpetrators have clearly infiltrated the group. They resolve to stay on and vote to stake one of the group each day - until all the Vampires are dead.

Abi
09-16-13, 01:32 PM
Something Interesting to note:

In Games 1 to 3, I selected most if not all roles manually, playing around with different combinations.

For this game, I chose all roles totally randomly - with the exception of 1 Vampire and the Sheriff who were (randomly) chosen from a subset of the players who have had some experience with the game before.

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I'm done waiting. All of you should have received PM's informing you of your teams and special roles where applicable.

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GAME ON

You *will* need to vote to stake someone before the end of the Day Phase. Day Phase 1 ends on Wed 18 Sep at 1130 AM EST, or when a player has a majority of votes against them.

**State of the Game / Player's List and your first Clues to follow!

Lunacie
09-16-13, 01:48 PM
Lunacie looks around to see if any of those who who were nauseated by
the sight are just acting. And to see which people were able to look more
closely at the dead bodies.

I don't mind looking at the most recent kill, but not those the animals have
gotten to.

Abi
09-16-13, 01:52 PM
State of the game

Players in the game:

Amber
Amtram
Fuzzy
Lunacie
Midnight
Pooka
Rebs
Sarek
Siliv
SomeOther
Tina
Tony
Turbo
Tyger


INNOCENTS*: 9
VAMPIRES: 3
SERIAL KILLER: 1
UNALLIED SHAPESHIFTER: 1


*"Innocents" refers to all the "good guys", and includes regular humans, humans with special abilities (cop, reporter, etc.) and good supernatural beings (werewolf, witch, etc.).

Abi
09-16-13, 01:59 PM
I shall use black text for "sane narrator honest information" and Indigo text for clues, which may or may not be accurate, and general banter that may contain clues. Remember all clues have a 67% chance of being useful and a 33% chance of being nonsense.

Clue 1:

At least one of the following players is a Vampire:

Fuzzy (of course ;))
Pooka
Sarek
Tina
Tony
Tyger

sarek
09-16-13, 02:07 PM
So, eh, we're supposed to get staking now? Shall we actually nail us a real vampire for a change?

Abi
09-16-13, 02:11 PM
Clue 2:

Find all combinations of the following 5 statements that maximise the number of statements that can be true without creating contradictions. One of these combinations will yield accurate information:

1. Midnightstar is human.
2. Midnightstar is a Shapeshifter.
3. Tony is a Hunter.
4. Exactly 2 of this set of statements are true.
5. All 5 of these statements are true.

Abi
09-16-13, 02:18 PM
So, eh, we're supposed to get staking now? Shall we actually nail us a real vampire for a change?

This from the guy who was an Original Vampire in the last 2 consecutive games, and who has been explicitly listed as a possible Vampire :rolleyes:

Lunacie
09-16-13, 02:19 PM
I think we can rule out #5, eh? Midnight can't be both a shapeshifter and a human.

So #4 is true, and one of the first three statements is also true. Which one???

Lunacie
09-16-13, 02:19 PM
This from the guy who was an Original Vampire in the last 2 consecutive games, and who has been explicitly listed as a possible Vampire :rolleyes:

:lol:

Abi
09-16-13, 02:19 PM
Q: Is the Tony who's playing this game the Anthony who played the last few games? Did I miss a notice of name change?

A: Yes. Tony is Anthony, Game 3's ill-fated Werewolf on one of Game 4's Vampires.

sarek
09-16-13, 02:20 PM
Clue 2:

Find all combinations of the following 5 statements that maximise the number of statements that can be true without creating contradictions. One of these combinations will yield accurate information:

1. Midnightstar is human.
2. Midnightstar is a Shapeshifter.
3. Tony is a Hunter.
4. Exactly 2 of this set of statements are true.
5. All 5 of these statements are true.



That makes Tony a hunter.

Abi
09-16-13, 02:21 PM
Lunacie: Impressive, and very quick. And this is coming from a Computer Science / Math person. Good job.

Abi
09-16-13, 02:22 PM
Sarek: Disappointing.

That's just one possibility.

sarek
09-16-13, 02:24 PM
Sarek: Disappointing.

That's just one possibility.

You really have it in for me, dont you. Remember the last one standing gets to eat the narrator.

Lunacie
09-16-13, 02:25 PM
Clue 2:

Find all combinations of the following 5 statements that maximise the number of statements that can be true without creating contradictions. One of these combinations will yield accurate information:

1. Midnightstar is human.
2. Midnightstar is a Shapeshifter.
3. Tony is a Hunter.
4. Exactly 2 of this set of statements are true.
5. All 5 of these statements are true.




The possibilities:
1 & 4
2 & 4
3 & 4

The certainties:
0

Lunacie
09-16-13, 02:26 PM
Lunacie: Impressive, and very quick. And this is coming from a Computer Science / Math person. Good job.

Do I get OSI for doing that so quickly? ;)

Abi
09-16-13, 02:56 PM
No.

//message too short

Abi
09-16-13, 03:01 PM
Clue 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=211myGaCEhc

No more clues for Day Phase 1.

Discuss. Accuse. Claim. VOTE.

Lunacie
09-16-13, 03:25 PM
I don't get it. I didn't get the Tom Cruise video either.

I'd feel really dumb right now if I hadn't been able to figure out the riddle clue.

Tinatheawesome
09-16-13, 03:40 PM
I say some of your clue is 33% nonsense because I am human

Abi
09-16-13, 03:59 PM
It's still early in the US.... and it's a Monday.... Monday blues.... I guess we won't be seeing much action till tomorrow evening North American time... *sigh*

sarek
09-16-13, 04:39 PM
OK lets see what we got so far. We have clue one giving us a list of possible vamps and we got clue two, giving us two names who perhaps may not be vamps. And than there's the vid which i cant make heads or tales of. Unless there are Celine Dion lovers among us.

I think I'll go for Pooka, who is mentioned in the first clue and not in the 2nd.

Abi
09-16-13, 04:42 PM
We have a vote.

1 vote Pooka

See, it's easy. Now we just need 13 more.

Tinatheawesome
09-16-13, 04:44 PM
Tony has my vote

Lunacie
09-16-13, 04:53 PM
I dunno. Pooka isn't the only player that was mentioned in the first clue
but not the second one.

Turbochica
09-16-13, 04:56 PM
Takes a deep breath, and begins to look around the scene, viewing it with a clinical eye to distance myself from what actually has happened. Starting to take notes for this fact finding mission, observing what was left behind, the scene and all that it contains.

I wonder who did this .......

Abi
09-16-13, 04:57 PM
1 vote Pooka
1 vote Tony

12 votes outstanding

Turbochica
09-16-13, 05:03 PM
Looking down at my notes and the clue presented I surmise the following combinations can be true:
1+3
2+4
1+3+4
3+4

midnightstar
09-16-13, 05:09 PM
Can we start staking vampires yet

Turbochica
09-16-13, 05:10 PM
After much thought. . . I vote for Pooka too

Abi
09-16-13, 05:10 PM
What the hell is that Turbo?

Are you a Bourbon Vampire whose been sipping your own bourbon?? :lol:

Edit: Refers to Turbo's weird math, not her vote.

Speedy voting is always encouraged.

Also, just a reminder, please be CLEAR when you are ready to cast your final vote. Do not mention multiple people's names, place winky faces after the vote, or vote in a way that suggests speculation rather than voting.

Sentences with "Maybe" and "I think" in them count as discussion, and not as votes.

sarek
09-16-13, 05:11 PM
Takes a deep breath, and begins to look around the scene, viewing it with a clinical eye to distance myself from what actually has happened. Starting to take notes for this fact finding mission, observing what was left behind, the scene and all that it contains.

I wonder who did this .......

That is a mysterious text, undoubtedly denoting an equally mysterious individual.....

midnightstar
09-16-13, 05:12 PM
I vote pooka

Abi
09-16-13, 05:19 PM
3 votes Pooka
1 vote Tony

10 votes outstanding

Abi
09-16-13, 05:38 PM
State of the game

Players in the game:

Amber
Amtram
Fuzzy
Lunacie
Midnight
Pooka
Rebs
Sarek
Siliv
SomeOther
Tina
Tony
Turbo
Tyger


INNOCENTS*: 9
VAMPIRES: 3
SERIAL KILLER: 1
UNALLIED SHAPESHIFTER: 1


*"Innocents" refers to all the "good guys", and includes regular humans, humans with special abilities (cop, reporter, etc.) and good supernatural beings (werewolf, witch, etc.).

Amtram
09-16-13, 05:50 PM
That makes Tony a hunter.

Not necessarily. Midnight could be human OR shapeshifter, AND Tony could be the hunter.

You're welcome.

Turbochica
09-16-13, 05:51 PM
What the hell is that Turbo?

Are you a Bourbon Vampire whose been sipping your own bourbon?? :lol:

correction gin and tonic NOT bourbon :P

Edit: Refers to Turbo's weird math, not her vote.

Weird math ? weird math ! yes, that's my forte ;)

Amtram
09-16-13, 05:53 PM
Oh, crud. I didn't even think that statement 4 could be one of the two.

Abi
09-16-13, 05:59 PM
The cleaning lady OWNED the Accountant/Lawyer AND the Linguist/BioMed Fundi :yes:

Tony72
09-16-13, 06:00 PM
Ok I just finished reading the new roles and I'm now working on that whole statement thing (:scratch:) so I would be very grateful if any votes and/or conjecture concerning me was put on hold until I catch up.

Tony72
09-16-13, 06:14 PM
IDK What mood Abi is in. I would say he would find it hilarious if Sarek is a vamp again, but if he tried to be clever he'd think we'd think that and make him human and put suspicion on him so we stake a human (same thing with me and that list). The only thing IDK is if Abi would double bluff and make Sarek a vamp again and then put him in that clue so we all think Abi was trying to mess with us and he's just getting that extra laugh. I suggest an investigatory role figure that one out right away. And another one on night two. If he is human I would make him the first turn if I were the vamps.

BTW people, even if I'm not the hunter (maybe I am, maybe I'm not) that doesn't mean I'm not human. Or another special role.

Abi
09-16-13, 06:25 PM
IDK What mood Abi is in.

Gotta love that. :lol:

You know my primary dx is a mood disorder, right? :cool:

Abi
09-16-13, 06:29 PM
For Tony, and anyone else who may have missed this:

Something Interesting to note:

In Games 1 to 3, I selected most if not all roles manually, playing around with different combinations.

For this game, I chose all roles totally randomly - with the exception of 1 Vampire and the Sheriff who were (randomly) chosen from a subset of the players who have had some experience with the game before.

This is actually even more fun.

Tony72
09-16-13, 06:52 PM
Gotta love that. :lol:

You know my primary dx is a mood disorder, right? :cool:

Actually, I did not.

Ok guys, everything I said with Sarek stands. Investigate him asap. Now Abi's hint forced my hand. I'm the hunter. Midnight can't be human and a shapeshifter so only two of those statements are true. You can choose to believe me or not, but get this:

If I'm telling the truth (I am) midnight is a vamp. Guaranteed vamp. Do NOTE vote to stake midnight. Discuss, see if we can figure out who else on that list is a vamp, but I'm going to go after midnight tonight. If midnight has OSI then you guys can get her tomorrow during the day.

Second part of this, I have OSI. That makes me safe from anything tonight. And probably safe from a vamp on night 2 also. It'd be a bad idea for a vamp to go after me night 2 because of the curse. However, that still leaves the serial killer. I'd be awesome if the jailer could help me out with that.

And now I'm wondering, if we can't get a good handle on who the vamp from that list is then should we stake midnight? I might be burbounized/scrabbled(?) and unable to go for the kill. (hint serial killer) So if we vote midnight we have a guaranteed vamp kill. Unless Abi's whole hint thing is a lie.

I'm gonna think more while I eat dinner.

Amtram
09-16-13, 07:07 PM
Geez, Anthony, I certainly hope you're not a vamp, or we're gonna lose again!

pooka
09-16-13, 07:07 PM
Omg what is going on?! I just got here and I'm already being accused! :eek:

Guys, as we all have seen from the previous game where I was the second one dead, I am a crappy vampire, so thank gosh I'm not one this time. Trust me when I say you do not want me dead this time! Not to mention it would be a waste of a staking since I've got OSI. Our efforts are best used elsewhere.

Not sure if this is of any note but everyone on Abi's potential vamp list has already been a vampire except for Tony.

Amtram
09-16-13, 07:13 PM
I'm going to tell some scary stories around the campfire. With voices and sound effects and everything.

Abi
09-16-13, 07:16 PM
I may go to bed soon, so a few things:

1. Voting closes Wednesday at 1130 AM US Eastern Standard Time. (That's mid afternoon Euro time, and midnightish Aussie time.) Please try to finalise your votes sooner, though.

2. The Bourbon Vampire, Seductress, Jailer, Doctor/s, Sheriff, Reporter and Witch are reminded that you are allowed to send me your targets during the Day Phase, and it is in your best interests to do so.

It is also fine if you send me your targets after the Night Phase starts as well, but please take note of the consequences explained in post 8 of the thread. If you message me in the Day Phase, please also send a secondary target, in case your primary is staked during the day.

Vampires can discuss their Night Actions amoung themselves before contacting me. The same applies to the Town Council.

I shall only accept actions sent via ADDF PM or to one of my two email addies boy...@gmail [NOT yahoo] and coh...@gmail. Please note that your choice of targets, once messaged to me, will be considered final.

silivrentoliel
09-16-13, 07:34 PM
your email address formats confuse me, Abi :lol:

I wonder what my reaction would be upon seeing so many dead... shock, curiosity, anger?

Tony72
09-16-13, 07:44 PM
I was a vamp last game Pooka.

I'm guessing Tina is a vamp based on her vote for me. There is no reason other than that clue to vote for me and she didn't even open up a dialogue about it. Due to the nature of the clue, the vamps know I'm the hunter and it behooves them to stake me since I can't be turned and whoever tries would die from the curse.

With that said, I think one investigator needs to check out Tina and one Sarek. Hopefully the investigators don't double up.

I'm also going to vote midnight and suggest you all do too. If Abi's clue is true, and considering the mutual exclusivity of 1, 2, and 5, and me being the hunter, then midnight has to be a vamp per sane narrator rules. I'm assuming sane narrator rules based on number 4's very explicit and direct parameters.

If midnight does get staked and has OSI then I'll go after her tonight. If she doesn't have OSI then I'll either sit out tonight or go after another person of interest. The latter depends on how the thread develops between then and now. If midnight has OSI and I get "held up" by a special role tonight, we got a stake target tomorrow.

I'd love to hit two vamps on day one, but I believe going after midnight is the safest and smartest play.

#midnight

Unfortunately I'm playing this without longevity in mind. Abi's clue kind of precluded that so I don't expect to make it through the whole game. However, I am aiming to do as much damage to the vamps as possible while I'm here. OSI makes me safe tonight no matter what. Serial killer could get me tomorrow night if someone takes my OSI tonight. Assuming there are no turns tonight I don't see the vamps going after me tomorrow. The curse will further thin out their already thin numbers. And considering how widespread non-OSI vamp turning immunity is out there this game, the vamps can't afford to waste a night killing me and guaranteeing one of their deaths without bringing their numbers up first.

Believe me or don't people, but Innocents I implore you--my logic is sound and a real good play.

Abi
09-16-13, 07:50 PM
3 votes Pooka
1 vote Tony
1 vote Midnight

9 votes outstanding

pooka
09-16-13, 07:56 PM
Tony is awfully persuasive.

I'll vote midnight as well.

Tony72
09-16-13, 08:01 PM
BTW, I'm about 87% sure Sarek is a vamp. He was pretty quick to say I'm definitely the hunter. I figure it this way:

A person with no knowledge of who is who would read that clue and sooner or later would figure either I'm the hunter, midnight is a human, or midnight is a shapeshifter.

Essentially that clue gives the vamps a guaranteed fact, and gives the innocents a 1 out of 3 possibility. He was sure I was the hunter right away. No maybe in his statement. He said I'm the hunter. In my mind, only a person who knows that 2 of the 3 possibilities isn't true would go straight to that possibility without even considering the other 2. Only a vamp would know that the other 2 midnight non-vamp possibilities were false. I'd be more comfortable calling this if he was investigated, but if midnight gets staked and doesn't have OSI, I just might make Sarek my visit tonight.

Oh yea, and his name was included in clue 1. That's two strikes.

Amtram
09-16-13, 08:17 PM
Tony, you are wicked at this. Did you ever play RPGs?

Tony72
09-16-13, 08:20 PM
Yea, love rpgs. But this is from selling.

Of course, the midnight stuff depends on sane narrator. The sarek stuff I'm pretty sure of, but not definite. I think my logic is sound, but it's entirely possible he saw #1 and #2 and thought they were mutually exclusive to #4. Though him being in clue 1 makes me think more along the lines of my hypothesis.

Oh, and just occurred to me. When you say RPGs do you mean something like D&D? If you mean that then nope. Never done any of those.

Abi
09-16-13, 08:27 PM
State of the game

Players in the game:

Amber
Amtram
Fuzzy
Lunacie
Midnight
Pooka
Rebs
Sarek
Siliv
SomeOther
Tina
Tony
Turbo
Tyger


INNOCENTS*: 9
VAMPIRES: 3
SERIAL KILLER: 1
UNALLIED SHAPESHIFTER: 1


*"Innocents" refers to all the "good guys", and includes regular humans, humans with special abilities (cop, reporter, etc.) and good supernatural beings (werewolf, witch, etc.).

TygerSan
09-16-13, 08:48 PM
Hmm... Lotsa talk and action this time. Can humans and shape shifters coexist?

I'm torn btw midnight and tony. Tony is a bit too convincing in my book. Then again, I was much too timid in proclaiming my innocence last game, and it really bit me in the rear...

Tony72
09-16-13, 08:58 PM
If we stake midnight and she's human I'm done. No way you guys believe me after that. While I maintain it is a possibility I think it shouldn't be one based on the stuff I already mentioned. First staking is random as it is. Midnight will not only confirm my role, it'll eliminate one vamp, and convincingly point a big finger at another.

amberwillow
09-16-13, 09:41 PM
Atm I can only access Wifi at work, so do a lot of talking so I can figure out who not to vote for.

Fuzzy12
09-16-13, 10:12 PM
I've been waiting desperately for this game to start and now when I'm gone for a few hours I come back to 5 pages? :mad::lol:

Fuzzy12
09-16-13, 10:18 PM
Tony. Even if you are the Hunter midnight star doesn't have to be necessarily a vamp. She could be the were wolf.

Ok I need to sleep. See you tomorrow. How I won't return to another blood bath:rolleyes:

Tony72
09-16-13, 10:24 PM
Tony. Even if you are the Hunter midnight star doesn't have to be necessarily a vamp. She could be the were wolf.

Ok I need to sleep. See you tomorrow. How I won't return to another blood bath:rolleyes:

Ahhh, had the nagging feeling I was missing something. Though we don't know for sure if a werewolf is in play. I still think midnight is a vamp though. Considering the clues are supposed to be generally even between the camps and I don't think it was expected that I would come straight out as the hunter. If midnight is a vamp then the vamps are/were guaranteed to know I'm the hunter--which I think was the intended clue result. The other intended result would be for me to go after midnight as the hunter. I think me coming out just changed a bit of that dynamic and I still maintain that we stake midnight.

midnightstar
09-17-13, 02:51 AM
Ahhh, had the nagging feeling I was missing something. Though we don't know for sure if a werewolf is in play. I still think midnight is a vamp though. Considering the clues are supposed to be generally even between the camps and I don't think it was expected that I would come straight out as the hunter. If midnight is a vamp then the vamps are/were guaranteed to know I'm the hunter--which I think was the intended clue result. The other intended result would be for me to go after midnight as the hunter. I think me coming out just changed a bit of that dynamic and I still maintain that we stake midnight.

Why are you so insistent about me getting staked?



Tony has something to hide so stake him people

sarek
09-17-13, 02:56 AM
I still think midnight is a vamp though. Considering the clues are supposed to be generally even between the camps and I don't think it was expected that I would come straight out as the hunter. If midnight is a vamp then the vamps are/were guaranteed to know I'm the hunter--which I think was the intended clue result. The other intended result would be for me to go after midnight as the hunter. I think me coming out just changed a bit of that dynamic and I still maintain that we stake midnight.

Likely only two of the statements were true(as it can not be all five) and that includes the statement saying that only two are true.

So if it says something about midnight then it doesnt say anything about you and vice versa.

midnightstar
09-17-13, 03:24 AM
If I get staked do I get a last request

Abi
09-17-13, 04:36 AM
Sure, you get a last request.

You can also return and haunt people, just not too much :)

Fuzzy12
09-17-13, 05:34 AM
If I get staked do I get a last request

I'd recommend requesting not to get staked. :D

Abi
09-17-13, 05:42 AM
^^^ That made my morning :lol:

Fuzz, you plan on voting anytime soon or are we gonna drag this out till like 5PM tomorrow UK time?

Fuzzy12
09-17-13, 05:47 AM
I shall use black text for "sane narrator honest information" and Indigo text for clues, which may or may not be accurate, and general banter that may contain clues. Remember all clues have a 67% chance of being useful and a 33% chance of being nonsense.

Clue 1:

At least one of the following players is a Vampire:

Fuzzy (of course ;))
Pooka
Sarek
Tina
Tony
Tyger





Midnightstar isn't even in this list. Of course that doesn't mean that she's not a vamp, but I think, right now, with very little else to go on, I'd rather stake someone from the list.

Clue 2:

Find all combinations of the following 5 statements that maximise the number of statements that can be true without creating contradictions. One of these combinations will yield accurate information:

1. Midnightstar is human.
2. Midnightstar is a Shapeshifter.
3. Tony is a Hunter.
4. Exactly 2 of this set of statements are true.
5. All 5 of these statements are true.



If a statement is not true, does it imply that it's false?

So Abi said, we should maximise the number of statements that could be true. '5' is not possible
'4' if 4 is true, that means one and only one of the previous statements is true.
'1' and '2' can't be true at the same time, neither can '1' OR '2' AND '3' be true since that would apply that 2 statements are correct, but '4' makes this impossible.

So, it's either
'1' AND '4'
'2' AND '4'
'3' And '4'

or
'1'
or
'2'
or
'3'

but then the number of statements are not optimised. So I'm guessing, 2 statements are true, one of them being '4'. So if Tony is the hunter, Midnight is either a vamp or the werewolf. If Midnight is human or a shapeshifter, Tony can be anything but the hunter.

Sorry, if I'm repeating stuff that has been said already. I'm just thinking aloud.

I guess, at this time it might be prudent to not vote for either Tony or Star but to investigate them at night.

I'll pick someone among
Fuzzy (of course ;))
Pooka
Sarek
Tina
Tony
Tyger

well, except for myself (who isn't obviously a vampire at all :mad:) and Tony (for now).

We know that one of the vamps is an experienced player. Sarek and Tyger have been vamps before but Tyger has played in fewer games than Sarek (as have Pooka and Tina). So is Sarek a vamp? But then he was the vamp in both the previous games. But then Abi did say that he picked one player among a group of experienced players so it's possible that he picked Sarek randomly from this group.

Fuzzy12
09-17-13, 05:48 AM
Abi, can you give us an update of the votes so far?

Abi
09-17-13, 05:57 AM
3 votes Pooka
1 vote Tony
2** votes Midnightstar

8** votes outstanding

Edited cos I can't count :o

Fuzzy12
09-17-13, 07:28 AM
Why are people lusting for pooka s blood? she was just one of the vamps mentioned in abi s list. Sarek voted first for her, then turbo and then star. However why would pooka have osi. How many humans can have osi? Need to check. Ughh... blocked addf on my browser s do now I'm on my mobile :doh:

Fuzzy12
09-17-13, 07:33 AM
So one vamp and 4 non vamps have osi. So this doesn't tell me anything. Pooka could have osi and still be anything. I still find it very suspect that 3 people voted for her with very little reason.

I'll vote for sarek
Who started the whole hunt for pooka.

..@ vote sarek :)

Abi
09-17-13, 07:39 AM
3 votes Pooka
1 vote Tony
2** votes Midnightstar
1 vote Sarek

7** votes outstanding

Edited 'cause I can't count :o

silivrentoliel
09-17-13, 07:49 AM
did I vote yet? I don't think I did.... if I didn't, here's my vote.

#sarek

Abi
09-17-13, 07:55 AM
3 votes Pooka
1 vote Tony
2 votes Midnightstar
2 votes Sarek

6 votes outstanding

Abi
09-17-13, 08:24 AM
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8264615/Woman-Corpse-21.jpg

TygerSan
09-17-13, 08:47 AM
Abi, so we know from previous games (and from personal experience :rolleyes:) that the bourbon vamp leaves the bottle of bourbon on the stoop and leaves so that others can do their dirty work.

Is there anything preventing either the bourbon vamp or the seductress from doing something untoward towards their now rendered unconscious targets?

Or do they just render someone unconscious and then need someone else to come in and finish what they started?

TygerSan
09-17-13, 08:49 AM
Also, since I'm so unsure this time round re my primary suspicions, I'm going to vote for my 3rd choice: #Sarek (sorry, nothing personal, just need more info and confirmation re the first 2 clues, and you're claim that Tony is the hunter . . . well, only a vamp would know that for sure, right?)

Abi
09-17-13, 08:50 AM
Tyger,

The Bourbon Vamp or Seductress can also turn or kill their target.

However, they must send me the turn / kill PM after the Night Phase is declared, although they can and should send me the bourbonisation/seduction PM during the day phase.

Abi
09-17-13, 08:52 AM
3 votes Pooka
1 vote Tony
2 votes Midnightstar
3 votes Sarek

5 votes outstanding

And the tension mounts.... :D

Abi
09-17-13, 09:15 AM
Contemplating paying the Bourbon Vamp a visit... it's been 48 hours... I'm even typing in his colour :rolleyes:

Abi
09-17-13, 09:16 AM
State of the game

Players in the game:

Amber
Amtram
Fuzzy
Lunacie
Midnight
Pooka
Rebs
Sarek
Siliv
SomeOther
Tina
Tony
Turbo
Tyger


INNOCENTS*: 9
VAMPIRES: 3
SERIAL KILLER: 1
UNALLIED SHAPESHIFTER: 1


*"Innocents" refers to all the "good guys", and includes regular humans, humans with special abilities (cop, reporter, etc.) and good supernatural beings (werewolf, witch, etc.).

Abi
09-17-13, 09:17 AM
3 votes Pooka
1 vote Tony
2 votes Midnightstar
3 votes Sarek

5 votes outstanding

Fuzzy12
09-17-13, 09:41 AM
Contemplating paying the Bourbon Vamp a visit... it's been 48 hours... I'm even typing in his colour :rolleyes:
Is this a hint? 48 hours since what? since you've heard from him? Or eRr his since this thread has been opened? I guess your use of the male gender isn't a hint.

So who hasn't been active yet in our little gory vamp camp?

Hmm according to that theory sarek is not the bourbon vamp.

I don't want to check the entire thread but if I remember right people who haven't posted are:

Amber
Tina

Anyone else?

Fuzzy12
09-17-13, 09:51 AM
Ignore me. I did check the thread and both tona and amber have posted. Sorryb:doh::o

Has amtrwm posted? I think she has. if not she would make a good vamp. She is experienced, was allied with the vamp s and has not been a vamp herself. I think.

Hmm I think she did post. Abi is this one of your rubbish clues?

Abi
09-17-13, 10:01 AM
It wasn't a clue at all.

Clues are in Indigo

Rule clarification and other important info is in Black.

That post was in Bourbon colour, because, I, Abi, personally, am "jonesing" for Bourbon.

Fuzzy12
09-17-13, 10:09 AM
Grr.. so what did you mean by 48 hours :scratch:

Fuzzy12
09-17-13, 10:38 AM
I think I get it. :doh:

You want to visit the bourbon vamp to Nick some of his bourbon. nothing to do with game. :scratch:

Sorry Abi :o

Abi
09-17-13, 10:49 AM
Lunacie.

Do you plan on voting, or just sitting there?

Lunacie
09-17-13, 10:50 AM
I shall use black text for "sane narrator honest information" and Indigo text for clues, which may or may not be accurate, and general banter that may contain clues. Remember all clues have a 67% chance of being useful and a 33% chance of being nonsense.

Clue 1:



At least one of the following players is a Vampire:

Fuzzy (of course ;))
Pooka
Sarek
Tina
Tony
Tyger





3 votes Pooka
1 vote Tony
2 votes Midnightstar
3 votes Sarek

5 votes outstanding

Hm. From the first clue of 6 possible vampires, 4 of them have gotten
votes to be staked tonight. Apparently the second clue and Tony's posts
have convinced some that he's actually the hunter. I agree that he should
be investigated to see if he's telling the truth.


(although last game I was the sheriff and investigated Tony on night one,
revealing that he was human, but after my investigation one of the
vampires turned Tony, making him a vampire. The order of events is very
tricky so I'm not sure what good investigating actually does)


*sigh* I #VOTE Tyger

Amtram
09-17-13, 10:51 AM
Argh. This is so hard. I was thinking about making it difficult for Abi and voting midnightstar just so he had to pick a name out of a hat, but there are too many votes outstanding, so that would be a waste. I could add a vote for Tony, but if he's honest about having been outed as the Hunter, then that really tips the scales against the humans too much. I'd be willing to bet that sarek has OSI, just because.

Fuzzy, Abi has been very careful about switching things around. At this point, almost nobody will have played for one side more than the other. Anyone who's been in all the games is likely to have been vamp two or three times or innocent two or three times. At most. So I wouldn't be so quick to make decisions based on previous games. Plus, Abi likes to mess with us. :giggle:

The first vote is random, so I'm gonna go random. No hard feelings, Tina, I'm voting you because you're least likely to actually get staked this round!

#vote Tina

Abi
09-17-13, 10:56 AM
3 votes Pooka
3 votes Sarek
2 votes Midnightstar
1 vote Tony
1 vote Tyger
1 vote Tina

3 votes outstanding... {Amber; Rebs; SomeOther}

Tony72
09-17-13, 12:13 PM
Lunacie, last game I was a vamp from the beginning.

Guys, you really gotta think about this. It's a complete waste to not vote for midnight. I've literally put a target on my back coming out as the hunter. Actually Abi did that, but either way, I'm gone soon. And if you think I'm lying, come on. If midnight get's staked and comes out as anything other than a vamp do any of you really think I'm not getting staked next? You guys think I wouldn't know that? It makes no sense for me to go the route I have if I'm anything but the hunter. I could aggro so hard last game because there were so few players we coulda won on night two. This game has way too many to come out as hard as I have. Only reason I did is because of the clue.

BTW, Sarek. Fuzzy had it right. If I'm the hunter then midnight can't be a human or a shapreshifter. #4 means exactly 2 are right to the exclusivity of the rest.

Rebelyell
09-17-13, 12:16 PM
I say the ax falls on pookster, she gets it lol.

Fuzzy12
09-17-13, 12:17 PM
Lunacie, last game I was a vamp from the beginning.

Guys, you really gotta think about this. It's a complete waste to not vote for midnight. I've literally put a target on my back coming out as the hunter. Actually Abi did that, but either way, I'm gone soon. And if you think I'm lying, come on. If midnight get's staked and comes out as anything other than a vamp do any of you really think I'm not getting staked next? You guys think I wouldn't know that? It makes no sense for me to go the route I have if I'm anything but the hunter. I could aggro so hard last game because there were so few players we coulda won on night two. This game has way too many to come out as hard as I have. Only reason I did is because of the clue.

BTW, Sarek. Lunacie had it right. If I'm the hunter then midnight can't be a human or a shapreshifter. #4 means exactly 2 are right to the exclusivity of the rest.

Tony, nice try. :D

Even if you are are the hunter, coming out as the hunter doesn't make you a target, on the contrary. If the vamps think you are the hunter, they won't touch you with a barge pole. The serial killer is also unlikely to target you since you are helping him kill off humans or vamps. And the innocents will want to keep you alive, of course. :cool:

Tony72
09-17-13, 12:21 PM
Tony, nice try. :D

Even if you are are the hunter, coming out as the hunter doesn't make you a target, on the contrary. If the vamps think you are the hunter, they won't touch you with a barge pole. The serial killer is also unlikely to target you since you are helping him kill off humans or vamps. And the innocents will want to keep you alive, of course. :cool:

Or midnight or sarek will come after me because they know they're being investigated soon and won't last long anyway so they'll take one for the team and come after me to protect the others. It's literally what I did last game. Only difference is Abi turned out to not be the hunter.

Abi
09-17-13, 12:28 PM
4 votes Pooka
3 votes Sarek
2 votes Midnightstar
1 vote Tony
1 vote Tyger
1 vote Tina

2 votes outstanding... the two Australians - where it's LITERALLY the middle of the night right now. Damn Ozzies.

Fuzzy12
09-17-13, 12:28 PM
Or midnight or sarek will come after me because they know they're being investigated soon and won't last long anyway so they'll take one for the team and come after me to protect the others. It's literally what I did last game. Only difference is Abi turned out to not be the hunter.

I'm still curious why you are so sure about midnight? (sorry if you mentioned that already :o)

Just my opinion but I think, it's unlikely, at least at this stage of the game. The vamps will try to keep their numbers up at any cost. Larger numbers mean more chances to win the game and more voting power.

In game 3, we sacrificed Ginnie but that was after she'd tried to turn the hunter, so we knew, she was going to die anyway.

Anyway, in case you are the hunter-> Vamps and serial killer, take note: There's no point killing Tony tonight...

Abi
09-17-13, 12:38 PM
Some! You're awake :)

Vote! I'll send you cookies.

Fuzzy12
09-17-13, 12:40 PM
Some! You're awake :)

Vote! I'll send you cookies.

Damn, wish I hadn't voted already. I'm starving. Could do with some cookies!!! :umm1:

someothertime
09-17-13, 12:49 PM
I vote Tony cause he's good!

Abi
09-17-13, 12:51 PM
4 votes Pooka
3 votes Sarek
2 votes Midnightstar
2 votes Tony
1 vote Tyger
1 vote Tina

1 vote outstanding

Lunacie
09-17-13, 01:21 PM
Lunacie, last game I was a vamp from the beginning.

Guys, you really gotta think about this. It's a complete waste to not vote for midnight. I've literally put a target on my back coming out as the hunter. Actually Abi did that, but either way, I'm gone soon. And if you think I'm lying, come on. If midnight get's staked and comes out as anything other than a vamp do any of you really think I'm not getting staked next? You guys think I wouldn't know that? It makes no sense for me to go the route I have if I'm anything but the hunter. I could aggro so hard last game because there were so few players we coulda won on night two. This game has way too many to come out as hard as I have. Only reason I did is because of the clue.

BTW, Sarek. Fuzzy had it right. If I'm the hunter then midnight can't be a human or a shapreshifter. #4 means exactly 2 are right to the exclusivity of the rest.

Sorry, I meant the last game Abi moderated. They all may be starting to
run together in my mind. :eek:

Tony72
09-17-13, 01:29 PM
Sorry, I meant the last game Abi moderated. They all may be starting to
run together in my mind. :eek:

I was never turned to a vamp the first game. I was the werewolf.

Lunacie
09-17-13, 01:54 PM
I was never turned to a vamp the first game. I was the werewolf.

See what I mean, those last two games have run together in my mind - all mixed up now.

Abi
09-17-13, 02:12 PM
We need a break after this game :)

BellaVita
09-17-13, 02:20 PM
I wish this could be turned into a movie. It's so entertaining. :)

Lunacie
09-17-13, 02:24 PM
We need a break after this game :)

Well, I probably do. The rest of you can go again. ;)

Abi
09-17-13, 02:26 PM
Bella.

The game is based on a TV Show.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Vampire_Diaries_characters

BellaVita
09-17-13, 02:36 PM
Bella.

The game is based on a TV Show.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Vampire_Diaries_characters


Pshhh they're totally different :p

Besides the show doesn't have an evil narrator does it? :p

Abi
09-17-13, 03:22 PM
Look everybody it's JASON:

http://www.heavenlyswords.com/image.php?type=T&id=22453

Abi
09-17-13, 03:31 PM
State of the game

Players in the game:

Amber
Amtram
Fuzzy
Lunacie
Midnight
Pooka
Rebs
Sarek
Siliv
SomeOther
Tina
Tony
Turbo
Tyger


INNOCENTS*: 9
VAMPIRES: 3
SERIAL KILLER: 1
UNALLIED SHAPESHIFTER: 1


*"Innocents" refers to all the "good guys", and includes regular humans, humans with special abilities (cop, reporter, etc.) and good supernatural beings (werewolf, witch, etc.).

Abi
09-17-13, 03:33 PM
4 votes Pooka
3 votes Sarek
2 votes Midnightstar
2 votes Tony
1 vote Tyger
1 vote Tina

1 vote outstanding

amberwillow
09-17-13, 05:09 PM
I vote Pooka. Sorry I'm so delayed... Just got to wifi

Abi
09-17-13, 05:14 PM
AMBER!!!!

http://clipart-finder.com/data/png/secretlondon_pink_heart.png

Turbochica
09-17-13, 05:14 PM
Pshhh they're totally different :p

Besides the show doesn't have an evil narrator does it? :p

And we won't let them snatch Abi away either!
( from what I have seen and heard, you are doing AWESOME at this Abi)

Abi
09-17-13, 05:19 PM
Final Tally:

5 votes Pooka
3 votes Sarek
2 votes Midnightstar
2 votes Tony
1 vote Tyger
1 vote Tina


It is now Twilight, you guys may chat while I do my stuff.

Night 1 starts at 5:59 PM EST, after which those with violent actions can PM me.

Those with non-violent actions - last chance to get in the randomisation queue; if you send me your action after the start of Night Phase, it will be processed in the order it was received, possibly after some action that you might otherwise have investigated / observed / blocked, etc.

TygerSan
09-17-13, 05:28 PM
I await the outcome with baited breath. Is it possible we may actually open by staking the enemy? (I don't think that's happened yet, has it?)

Abi
09-17-13, 05:54 PM
The group gathers in outside their campers at dusk, and votes to stake Pooka... but wait... where is she? Pooka is nowhere to be found... Restless, agitated, and bloodthirtsy the group decides to stake Sarek instead... he the second most votes, ... but where is he? He's painfully thin and kinda short, but where could he be hiding?

All eyes are now on Midnight. Midnight runs swiftly - at almost supernatural speed - to her camper... the group catch up to her, and while some of them pin her down, the rest raise a stake that they whittled out of the wooden cross Turbo brought along and drive it thru her heart....

Tony72
09-17-13, 05:55 PM
Suspense is killing me.

Abi
09-17-13, 05:56 PM
Midnight explodes into smokeless flames, lets out a shriek as she burns for less than a minute, and dies. YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY STAKED A VAMPIRE.

One down. Only 3 more scum to go.

Yes, Pooka and Sarek both had OSI, which has now expired.

Thread closes in 3 mins.

Tony72
09-17-13, 05:57 PM
And they doubt me. :D

TygerSan
09-17-13, 05:59 PM
OMG! We did it?? We staked a Vamp on the first try? Wow. I think I'm actually in shock.

Turbochica
09-17-13, 06:06 PM
Grabbing the stake and carefully washing it off before putting it back in it's place, then turning to the others. . .

*^5's all around* well done * happydance time*

Lunacie
09-17-13, 06:25 PM
Was that a hint that Turbo is one of the good guys?

Abi
09-17-13, 06:26 PM
Thread closed for Night Phase, which ends Wed 18 at 5:59 PM EST or sooner if all Night Actions have been implemented, which is what we always aim for :)

Abi
09-17-13, 07:28 PM
DAY TWO

These Southern summers... long, stuffy days... short, sweaty nights... believe it or not, the were no incidents of significance last night - though not for want of anyone trying!

But this is no time to be complacent. There are still 2 Vampires and a Serial Killer amoung you.

Someone needs to be staked.

Discuss. Claim. Accuse. Vote.

**I'll post the "State of the Game" soon. :)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Day Phase 2 ends on THURSDAY 19 Sep at 5:30 PM EST, or when a player has a majority of votes against them.
As always, let's aim for a Day Phase that's not too long and drawn out.

Abi
09-17-13, 07:40 PM
State of the game

Players in the game:

Amber
Amtram
Fuzzy
Lunacie
Pooka
Rebs
Sarek
Siliv
SomeOther
Tina
Tony
Turbo
Tyger



INNOCENTS: 9
VAMPIRES: 2
SERIAL KILLER: 1
UNALLIED SHAPESHIFTER: 1


ELIMINATED:

1. Midnight.........Deceased, Staked by the mob on Day 1..........SPECIES/ROLE: Vampire/None

Tony72
09-17-13, 07:43 PM
Ok I got seduced last night and someone used up my OSI. Either the Serial Killer came after me or one of the vamps did. It couldn't have the seductress if I understand the rules right. If it was one of the vamps the only reason I could think that one of the remaining two vamps would guarantee their death with the hunter's curse and waste a night without trying to turn one of the few people who can be turned is because they don't expect themselves to last long--the very same move I pulled last game. Considering I already suspect Sarek for two reasons that I already explained that that Sarek was my original vampire partner last game and was privy to the very reasoning I used that I think was just used on me, I'm voting Sarek.

#Sarek

I was right about midnight. Please give me the benefit of the doubt here too.

Lunacie
09-17-13, 07:43 PM
One vampire eliminated - lucky break there actually.
Two vampires left. Are you going to vote Pooka again today?

Abi
09-17-13, 07:49 PM
Clue 1: I admit it, there are 2 Werewolves in this game, but all of this Tony VS Sarek as the Alpha Dog is going too far :p

Abi
09-17-13, 07:50 PM
To Midnighstar,

You asked me once to remind everyone once in a while that this is just a game.

Love you sweets, and sorry to see you go so soon :grouphug: <33

Tony72
09-17-13, 07:58 PM
And I just got an idea. We know two of the three vamps have OSI. We also know the vamps have the seductress and not the bourbon since, according to the rules, there can only be one and I got seduced last night. Again, I am pretty confident that Sarek is a vamp, but what if Pooka is one too? I mean, Sarek and Midnight voted Pooka, and Pooka voted midnight. If two of the three vamps have OSI I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to vote for one of the vamps with immunity to throw everyone else off the scent AND make us think that the sacrifice vote could be the sheriff or another HPI.

I mean, isn't it weird that we had such a unanimous decision for Pooka? Sarek voted for her first and then midnight voted second...investigative role? Check her out?

And as far as that first clue: It say's AT LEAST one of the following is a vamp. That totally allows more than one of those people to be vamps. And wouldn't that curve ball really be something Abi would like to do?

Abi
09-17-13, 08:22 PM
In lieu of clues 2 and 3, I shall correct the following statements:

We know two of the three vamps have OSI.

False. I have stated that exactly one Vampire was given OSI.

We also know the vamps have the seductress and not the bourbon since, according to the rules, there can only be one and I got seduced last night.

False again. The rules allow for a Seductress only, a Bourbon Vamp only, Neither, or Both.

------

Since there shall be no more clues for Day 2, start voting :)

Abi
09-17-13, 08:23 PM
Votes so far:

1 vote Sarek

12 votes outstanding.

Rebelyell
09-17-13, 08:42 PM
Sarek

Abi
09-17-13, 08:48 PM
Votes so far:

2 votes Sarek

11 votes outstanding.

silivrentoliel
09-17-13, 08:50 PM
I #vote Tony

Abi
09-17-13, 08:52 PM
Votes so far:

2 votes Sarek
1 vote Tony

10 votes outstanding.

pooka
09-17-13, 09:24 PM
I am not a vampire. I am totally baffled as to why you people are wasting your time voting for me with zero logic involved.

I would have gone with Tony's logic again because it seemed sound to me and he was right about midnight, but now that he is falsely accusing me on much shakier grounds, I don't know if I trust him anymore. He is very adamant about controlling the game and directing suspicion away from himself.

#vote Tony.

Abi
09-17-13, 09:51 PM
Votes so far:

2 votes Sarek
2 votes Tony

9 votes outstanding.

Abi
09-17-13, 09:51 PM
*waves* to Mango. Missing you!

Tony72
09-17-13, 09:54 PM
In lieu of clues 2 and 3, I shall correct the following statements:



False. I have stated that exactly one Vampire was given OSI.



False again. The rules allow for a Seductress only, a Bourbon Vamp only, Neither, or Both.

------



My bad. Really misread that one.


So either Pooka or Sarek are vamps and I'm pretty sure Sarek is a vamp because for my previous reasons.

As far as the votes for me. Those votes make no sense. Based on clue 2 for day 1 you guys know I'm the hunter. You don't have to take my word for it. It is literally the only possibility since midnight was a vamp and proven to not be a human or shapeshifter. And one combination of those 5 statements is accurate: me being the hunter. The narrator can be misleading, but the narrator can't lie.

And Pooka, i was putting forth an idea, not accusing you. I even asked for an investigative role to check you out. And I don't need suspicion taken off me. I can'tbe anything else but the hunter.

In fact, as far as I'm concerned, any votes for me are suspect since any vamp that kills me at night is cursed to die so the vamps would want to kill me in the morning. Now I had a good idea that Sarek was the vamp. And considering only one vamp can have OSI (thanks for the correction) then one of you is definitely human. But you're starting to make me think I might be wrong about Sarek, Pooka.

Again, just so everyone catches it. Based on the rules and clue 2 it is impossible for me to be anything but the hunter. Since I am the hunter I can not be turned. My OSI was used up last night. I was seduced but unless we have a bourbon vamp I will be going out tonight, assuming I don't get jailed.

BTW, that suspicion goes towards Sivil too. I guess I got a list for the night. Assuming I'm able to get out without booze or scrabble stopping me.

someothertime
09-17-13, 10:06 PM
#Tony

Rebelyell
09-17-13, 10:08 PM
Sarek gotta go.

Tony72
09-17-13, 10:18 PM
#Tony

:doh:

amberwillow
09-17-13, 10:36 PM
I vote Pooka

Tinatheawesome
09-17-13, 10:55 PM
Rebeyell

Abi
09-17-13, 11:19 PM
Votes so far:

2 votes Sarek
3 votes Tony
1 vote Pooka
1 vote Rebs

6 votes outstanding.

This pace I like :)

Abi
09-17-13, 11:20 PM
Hi Lunacie *wave*

Tony72
09-17-13, 11:21 PM
Well, before I go to sleep I want to make sure to throw this out there in case anyone misses this. Based on the fact that midnight was a vamp and that day 1's clue 2 was guaranteed to give us one accurate combination: I can't be anything other than the hunter. It is impossible for me to not be the hunter.

Since it is impossible for me not to be the hunter anyone who votes for me is suspect as a vamp. A vamp is literally the only player here who should want the hunter to get staked. I'm not gaming anyone, I literally can not be anything but the hunter.

If for some reason i still get more votes and get staked and then all my vampire hunting equipment gets found to the surprise of the mob, remaining humans please go after anyone who voted for me. Matter of fact, cross reference anyone who votes for me with the list in the very first clue. There will be vamps there.

Lunacie
09-18-13, 12:19 AM
Hi Lunacie *wave*

Hi Abi *waves back*






Oh ... okay. I'm still suspicious of Tyger but this time I'll #vote POOKA.

pooka
09-18-13, 12:24 AM
Guys I'm not a vamp I'm just really bad at logic and deduction

I completely forgot Tony's the hunter :doh:

too late now...

Abi
09-18-13, 12:35 AM
Votes so far:

2 votes Sarek
3 votes Tony
2 votes Pooka
1 vote Rebs

5 votes outstanding. (Morning Fuzzy :))

Fuzzy12
09-18-13, 12:38 AM
I know I'm coming a bit late to this but

We actually staked a vamp? :faint:

Midnight you made a deceptively human vamp.

Please continue to haunt this thread or we'll miss you. :grouphug:

Fuzzy12
09-18-13, 12:44 AM
Morning abi :)

Tony this clears you. And I guess you actually are the Hunter :faint:


Sarek is the serial killer

@Vote sarek

Abi
09-18-13, 12:49 AM
Votes so far:

3 votes Sarek
3 votes Tony
2 votes Pooka
1 vote Rebs

4 votes outstanding.

Abi
09-18-13, 12:55 AM
Since voting is proceeding rapidly, I am reminding

seductress
bourboniser
sheriff
witch
jailer
doctor/s
reporter


to send me their targets.

I go sleep now.

midnightstar
09-18-13, 02:44 AM
Am I getting staked irl

Sorry idk whats wrong with me this morning

Fuzzy12
09-18-13, 03:04 AM
Am I getting staked irl

Sorry idk whats wrong with me this morning

In real life you are an absolute sweetheart and anyone even dreaming of hurting you, should get staked!!! :grouphug:

TygerSan
09-18-13, 05:47 AM
I can tell you from personal experience that getting staked early sucks , no matter what you alliance :(

I'm sorry that you had to go so soon. If you're up for it, I suggest some good old fashioned haunting.

midnightstar
09-18-13, 06:02 AM
meh can't be bothered atm too depressed

sarek
09-18-13, 06:45 AM
Hey, I'm not going to volunteer to get staked here. How would you people feel if they tried to do that to you?

So I am enough of a coward to vote Tony. Its nothing personal, just my butt being on the line.

#Tony

Abi
09-18-13, 06:48 AM
Votes so far:

3 votes Sarek
4 votes Tony
2 votes Pooka
1 vote Rebs

3 votes outstanding.

Fuzzy12
09-18-13, 07:39 AM
Humans (serial killer excluded :rolleyes:), Tony is not a vampire. In fact, he is the only person who cannot be a vampire based on the clues given so far.

Look at the following clues please:

Clue 2:

Find all combinations of the following 5 statements that maximise the number of statements that can be true without creating contradictions. One of these combinations will yield accurate information:

1. Midnightstar is human.
2. Midnightstar is a Shapeshifter.
3. Tony is a Hunter.
4. Exactly 2 of this set of statements are true.
5. All 5 of these statements are true.



To maximise the number of statements that can be true without creating contradictions, one of the following combinations of statements has to be true:

1&4
OR
2&4
OR
3&4

Midnight explodes into smokeless flames, lets out a shriek as she burns for less than a minute, and dies. YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY STAKED A VAMPIRE.

.[/B]

Now, we know that midnight was a vamp, i.e. neither human nor a shapeshifter. So statement combinations 1&4 and 2&4 are definitely false, which means that 3&4 is true.

statement 3: Tony is a Hunter.

Also, he voted for midnight. It's unlikely that he'd vote for a fellow vamp.

midnightstar
09-18-13, 07:45 AM
midnightstar comes back to life as a unicorn and gallops round the thread

Abi
09-18-13, 07:54 AM
YAY

xx

Fuzzy12
09-18-13, 07:58 AM
[FONT="Times New Roman"][SIZE="3"]ONE-SHOT IMMUNITY

One-Shot Immunity (hereafter called OSI) will be assigned to:
(i) Either the Bourbon Vampire or the Seductress (if at least one of these roles is in play), otherwise to one regular Vampire;
(ii) The Sheriff;
(iii) An additional Innocent of reasonably high power (Witch, Reporter, or Hunter); and
(iv) Two randomly chosen non-Vampires, just to muddle things up. Note "non-Vampires" does not equate to "Innocent humans" - Werewolves, Serial Killers, Shapeshifters, etc. are also eligible.




Now, we know that midnight was a vampire but she couldn't have been the seductress, since the seductress visited Tony last night (or so he claims but since he is the hunter, we have no reason to not believe him).

1. The sheriff has OSI and at least 3 of us know exactly who that is. :D

2. Tony claims he has OSI.

3. Two more non vampires have got OSI.

4. We still have one vamp with OSI since midnight did not have OSI.



Yes, Pooka and Sarek both had OSI, which has now expired.

Thread closes in 3 mins.

Pooka and Sarek both had OSI. Sarek is the serial killer, so he is one of the randomly assigned non vamps with OSI. Pooka might be the other randomly assigned OSI player. She can't be the witch or reporter, since she the hunter has OSI and that's Tony.

Sigh, so after all this writing, Pooka can basically be anything, except reporter, witch, hunter, serial killer, sheriff, mayor or jailor.

Um...which leaves vanilla human, werewolf or shapeshifter. (No doctor in this game according to Abo).

Ok, so all that writing and not much of a conclusion there. Uggh. :rolleyes:



Clue 1:

At least one of the following players is a Vampire:

Fuzzy (of course ;))
Pooka
Sarek
Tina
Tony
Tyger



[/B]

Among that list containing exactly one vampire, we can strike off Sarek (serial killer), Tony (hunter) and me (of course :rolleyes:). So our vamp has to be either Pooka, Tina or Tyger.

Since Tony has 4 votes and Sarek 3, I guess, there is no point in voting for pooka, tina or tyger. Anyway, Sarek is the serial killer, so please vote for him :)

Please do stake him or I might be his next victim :umm1:

Fuzzy12
09-18-13, 08:00 AM
midnightstar comes back to life as a unicorn and gallops round the thread


Awww....I can so imagine that picture!!!!!!!!! I love unicorns!!!

On another note, apologies for all the super long posts with messy reasoning. Tony, you better be the hunter. I'm putting my *** on the line here for you. :mad:

Abi, can you tell me please who hasn't voted yet?

BellaVita
09-18-13, 08:02 AM
I'm going to haunt this thread too.

*grabs machete*

Fuzzy12
09-18-13, 08:04 AM
midnightstar comes back to life as a unicorn and gallops round the thread

I'm going to haunt this thread too.

*grabs machete*

Gets on the unicorn and quickly rides away into the sunset :)

Abi
09-18-13, 08:14 AM
Votes so far:

3 votes Sarek
4 votes Tony
2 votes Pooka
1 vote Rebs

3 votes outstanding.

The outstanding voters are AMTRAM, TURBO, TYGER.

Abi
09-18-13, 08:16 AM
State of the game

Players in the game:

Amber
Amtram
Fuzzy
Lunacie
Pooka
Rebs
Sarek
Siliv
SomeOther
Tina
Tony
Turbo
Tyger



INNOCENTS: 9
VAMPIRES: 2
SERIAL KILLER: 1
UNALLIED SHAPESHIFTER: 1


ELIMINATED:

1. Midnight.........Deceased, Staked by the mob on Day 1..........SPECIES/ROLE: Vampire/None

Tony72
09-18-13, 08:30 AM
Thanks Fuzzy. I still can't believe I have 4 votes after it being out there that I'm the hunter, it being impossible for me to be anything other than the hunter, and my vote and one other person I convinced being the only reason we staked a vamp the first day.

BTW, this is the second time someothertime has voted me. The first time he voted for me:

I vote Tony cause he's good!

Then the second time he voted for me it was after I went through a whole explanation about how I can't be anything other than the hunter. Oh, and this is his vote as if he wished for it to fly under the radar.

#Tony


I smell ash there.

Oh and so there is a list.

Voted for THE HUNTER:

Sivil
Pooka
Someother
Sarek

Fuzzy12
09-18-13, 08:36 AM
Regarding someother it's weird that he voted for you but he is a good guy. Honestly!!!

I know that Sarek is the serial killer so it makes sense for him to vote for you.

Pooka I think, said she made a mistake voting for you. Maybe she just said that so that it looks less suspicious or maybe it was a genuine mistake. I think, Pooka might be a vamp because 1. She had OSI, 2. She is in the list of potential vamps, 3. her pointy teeth :cool:
Hm Sil, no idea... :rolleyes:


Thanks Fuzzy. I still can't believe I have 4 votes after it being out there that I'm the hunter, it being impossible for me to be anything other than the hunter, and my vote and one other person I convinced being the only reason we staked a vamp the first day.

BTW, this is the second time someothertime has voted me. The first time he voted for me:



Then the second time he voted for me it was after I went through a whole explanation about how I can't be anything other than the hunter. Oh, and this is his vote as if he wished for it to fly under the radar.




I smell ash there.

Oh and so there is a list.

Voted for THE HUNTER:

Sivil
Pooka
Someother
Sarek

someothertime
09-18-13, 08:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG6oy46qKE4

Tony72
09-18-13, 09:18 AM
Yes, thank you. Totally awesome.

midnightstar
09-18-13, 09:26 AM
ELIMINATED:

1. Midnight.........Deceased, Staked by the mob on Day 1..........SPECIES/ROLE: Vampire/None


Can I be marked out as having come back as a unicorn please Abi

Amtram
09-18-13, 09:32 AM
Again, just so everyone catches it. Based on the rules and clue 2 it is impossible for me to be anything but the hunter. Since I am the hunter I can not be turned. My OSI was used up last night. I was seduced but unless we have a bourbon vamp I will be going out tonight, assuming I don't get jailed.

BTW, that suspicion goes towards Sivil too. I guess I got a list for the night. Assuming I'm able to get out without booze or scrabble stopping me.

Sil and Pooka were the first ones to vote for you this round, knowing that. Hmmmm. Vamps would definitely want the Hunter to be staked by the mob. . .

Amtram
09-18-13, 09:35 AM
midnightstar comes back to life as a unicorn and gallops round the thread

And a strange new clue pops up - everyone keeps stepping into rainbow colored poops.

Abi
09-18-13, 09:36 AM
State of the game

Players in the game:

Amber
Amtram
Fuzzy
Lunacie
Pooka
Rebs
Sarek
Siliv
SomeOther
Tina
Tony
Turbo
Tyger



INNOCENTS: 9
VAMPIRES: 2
SERIAL KILLER: 1
UNALLIED SHAPESHIFTER: 1


ELIMINATED:

1. Midnight.........Deceased, Staked by the mob on Day 1..........SPECIES/ROLE: Vampire/None..........(Resurrected as a UNICORN on Day 2 :))

Amtram
09-18-13, 09:43 AM
It makes no sense to vote for Tony. It also makes no sense for the vamps to attack Tony. At least when there are only two!

Sarek may be advocating against Tony because he's the Serial Killer and doesn't like the competition.

Pooka and Sil voted for Tony right away. There are still some OSIs out there, but Pooka already used hers. So if Pooka's a vamp, she's got nothing to protect her now.

#vote Pooka

Abi
09-18-13, 09:47 AM
Votes so far:

3 votes Sarek
4 votes Tony
3 votes Pooka
1 vote Rebs

2 votes outstanding.

The outstanding voters are TURBO and TYGER.

Lunacie
09-18-13, 09:48 AM
Can I be marked out as having come back as a unicorn please Abi

Coming back as a ghost was fun, but if I die early again I'll have to think of
something really different like you did. :D

Maybe a hoot owl. Then instead of saying BOO I can say WHOO. :lol:

pooka
09-18-13, 10:00 AM
S*** I've really dug my own grave this time.

I'm human, I'm just really bad at this game!!

Fuzzy12
09-18-13, 10:02 AM
Tony, I really hope that you have OSI. You said, you did, didn't you?

TygerSan
09-18-13, 10:39 AM
I vote Sarek (again).

Fuzzy12
09-18-13, 11:33 AM
I vote Sarek (again).

I vote sarek again as well :D

Can you count my vote twice please? Abi? :) :grouphug: :)

;)

Fuzzy12
09-18-13, 11:44 AM
Sorry Sarek for campaigning against you. :o

You are my favourite fake serial killer in the world :grouphug:

Tony72
09-18-13, 12:15 PM
No, my OSI was used last night. That tidbit was in that whole campaign for me not to get staked. Turbo better vote for Sarek or I'm at risk for a staking. I really can't believe it's this close. Someone is going down tonight.

And Amtram, why did you vote Pooka? Considering what's happening, that makes you suspect.

And in case Turbo missed that previous posts. I am confirmed the hunter. Literally can not be anything but the hunter. If you don't vote Sarek I'm getting staked.

Lunacie
09-18-13, 12:58 PM
No, my OSI was used last night. That tidbit was in that whole campaign for me not to get staked. Turbo better vote for Sarek or I'm at risk for a staking. I really can't believe it's this close. Someone is going down tonight.

And Amtram, why did you vote Pooka? Considering what's happening, that makes you suspect.

And in case Turbo missed that previous posts. I am confirmed the hunter. Literally can not be anything but the hunter. If you don't vote Sarek I'm getting staked.

Good grief, all this fuss over getting staked.
:umm1:
It's happened to quite a few of us ya know.

Tony72
09-18-13, 01:14 PM
Good grief, all this fuss over getting staked.
:umm1:
It's happened to quite a few of us ya know.

Yea, me too. :p

Just really in character. And since I finished the last of us this game is like the only thing keeping my mind off cigarettes. And fantasy football, but I've got nothing to do there till Saturday.

Fuzzy12
09-18-13, 01:15 PM
Sigh, it is addictive, isn't it?

EDIT: I meant this game, not cigarettes, though cigs are of course very addictive too. I think, I need to stop talking :eek:

Tony72
09-18-13, 01:17 PM
Yup :\. Second day without patches so it should be purely mental withdrawal by friday. I think I might reward myself with a hookah. Surprisingly those things helped me quit last time. And I've never found em addicting.

edit: haha and yes to both. Only one will kill me for real though.

Fuzzy12
09-18-13, 01:18 PM
Yup :\. Second day without patches so it should be purely mental withdrawal by friday. I think I might reward myself with a hookah. Surprisingly those things helped me quit last time. And I've never found em addicting.


That's brilliant!! Congrats!! I love the hookah's with fruit flavoured tobacco...hmmm..strawberry. Tobacco and strawberry, can there be anything better?? :o

Tony72
09-18-13, 01:22 PM
I'm partial to mint, but it depends on the place. Grapefruit mix--forget the second part--in a grapefruit cup and vodka liquid...ugh. Best hookah I've ever had.

sarek
09-18-13, 02:04 PM
Sorry Sarek for campaigning against you. :o

You are my favourite fake serial killer in the world :grouphug:

Than you. You're too kind.

(for someone who wants my head on a pole)

Turbochica
09-18-13, 02:08 PM
Grabs coffee and sips s l o w l y while reading what has transpired over the last few pages of posts. * thoughtful look* With a finger, carefully slides glasses on the bridge of my nose up to where they should be. Turns around in my chair *squeak* opens a desk door and starts rifling through it
( insert random noises of things movin' and shakin' )

AHA!

"Voila!" Pulls hand out of the drawer with magic 8 Ball(8)* smirks* , and places it carefully on the desk in front of me. Grabs it and sHakEs VigoRouSly, then carefull plaes it back on the desk, watching the clear window for the answer to appear. S L O W L Y , a shape bobbles to the top and letters appear spelling

P O O K A

* broad smile*

I vote for pooka, for being one of the first to vote for Tony


Grabs the magic 8 ball , tosses it gently over my shoulder, it floats through the air and back into the drawer *grins* " who says those Cracker jack magic lessons were useless " spins around in the chair (squeeeak) and gently closes the drawer

peace - out

TygerSan
09-18-13, 02:18 PM
I do believe that that last vote sent us into a three-way tie, whatever shall we do now?

Turbochica
09-18-13, 02:19 PM
Than you. You're too kind.

(for someone who wants my head on a pole)

LMAO soo...funny soo good
umm.......
what you said!
not the idea of your head being on a pole...

Abi
09-18-13, 02:27 PM
Mayor's vote - unless the Mayor was the person who voted Rebs, then Sheriff's vote - counts double.

Just woke up. Need to medicate and stuff.

It is now Twilight, which shall continue for the next hour.

Non-violent Night Actions that have not been sent may be sent now.

Tony72
09-18-13, 02:59 PM
'jeopardy music'

Abi
09-18-13, 03:13 PM
The group gathers a little further away from the campers tonight... don't want the camp to catch fire if they (hopefully) stake another Vamp...

The group has chosen to stake...

Tony... They converge on him, hurling accusations. Tony, too smart for his own good, continues to protest his innocence instead of running.

He pulls out a STAKE from his pocket. "I'm the HUNTER"... Bad move... the crowd panics and lunges upon him, staking him through the heart, his blood literally covering their hands.

With his dying breath Tony says "I'm a Hunter, you f**king idiots."

Later investigations of Tony's camper found more stakes and other Vampire killing implements. Tony WAS the Hunter. Well, maybe you people have another one.

Brilliant player Tony, maybe a bit too brilliant. Really sorry to see you go so soon. :(

You have, however, been eliminated.

Twilight will continue till 3:30 PM EST , after which players with VIOLENT actions may send me their intended moves.

Players with NON-VIOLENT actions can send me their targets now if they have not done so already.

You may all discuss today's staking until then.

Tony72
09-18-13, 03:15 PM
My ghost shall take the hint and ride the waves beside the unicorn. Peace

midnightstar
09-18-13, 03:16 PM
Abi is it ok if I start a thread for us ghosts to hang out

Abi
09-18-13, 03:21 PM
State of the game

Players in the game:

Amber
Amtram
Fuzzy
Lunacie
Pooka
Rebs
Sarek
Siliv
SomeOther
Tina
Turbo
Tyger



INNOCENTS: 8
VAMPIRES: 2
SERIAL KILLER: 1
UNALLIED SHAPESHIFTER: 1


ELIMINATED:

1. Midnight.........Deceased, Staked by the mob on Day 1..........SPECIES/ROLE: Vampire/None..........(Resurrected as a UNICORN on Day 2 :))
2. Tony.............Deceased, Staked by the mob on Day 2..........SPECIES/ROLE: Human/Hunter

Abi
09-18-13, 03:23 PM
Midnight,

Yeah,

You can use the Game 3 Ghosts Thread I made. Or you can make a new one for this game if you prefer :) You don't need my or any mod's permission provided you are making threads that are within guidelines.

Enjoy.

midnightstar
09-18-13, 03:26 PM
OK here's the thread for the spooks http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1540290

Abi
09-18-13, 03:33 PM
NIGHT TWO

Night has fallen. Discouraged at the loss of one of their own, and fearful of the prowling Vampires and Serial Killer, the members of our little group head to their tents and campers.

The following players need to PM me their special night actions:
Team Vampire;
Serial Killer;
Hunter

Night 2 ends on Thu 19 Sep at 1:30 PM EST, or earlier if all night actions have been implemented.
Please aim to submit your actions as early as you can so that the pace of the game does not become sluggish.

No posting on the Game Thread during the Night Phase.

No private material info conversations regarding the game amoung players.

Abi
09-18-13, 06:41 PM
http://iconsoffright.com/news/Wilkie_with_Jason.jpg

xx

Abi
09-18-13, 07:40 PM
DAY THREE

Once again, there were no incidents of significance last night. :eek:

There remain 2 Vampires and a Serial Killer amoung you; not to mention an evil narrator with an obsession with Jason Voorhees. The staking must go on!

Discuss. Claim. Accuse. And most importantly: VOTE!

(State of the Game remains as noted above.)


------------------------------------------------------------------------

Day Phase 3 ends on FRIDAY 20 Sep at 5:59 PM EST, or when a player has a majority of votes against them.
As always, let's aim for a Day Phase that's not too long and drawn out, please :)

Abi
09-18-13, 10:02 PM
Note: All players (if any) whose One Shot Immunity has not been used are reminded that it has expired as of the start of Day Phase 3.

pooka
09-18-13, 10:58 PM
So we now know that one of the people who voted Tony was either the sheriff or the mayor, and thus human ;)

Abi
09-18-13, 11:10 PM
I have 3 statements for you today. It is MOST LIKELY (but never 100% certain :)) that 2 of them are true and one of them is nonsense.

1. Fuzzy is a Town Council member

2. Turbo is a low powered player

3. Lunacie is a low powered player

sarek
09-19-13, 03:22 AM
So interestingly there was no turning either. And no killing.

Fuzzy12
09-19-13, 05:19 AM
Grrr...I would love to tell you guys "I TOLD YOU SO" regarding Tony being the hunter, but..ok I will anyway:

I TOLD YOU SO!! :mad:

:)

So interestingly there was no turning either. And no killing.

There were attempts though!! Someone tried to kill me last night but thankfully I had OSI. Sarek, I'm guessing that it was you? :D

Fuzzy12
09-19-13, 05:23 AM
So interestingly there was no turning either. And no killing.

I shall use black text for "sane narrator honest information" and Indigo text for clues, which may or may not be accurate, and general banter that may contain clues. Remember all clues have a 67% chance of being useful and a 33% chance of being nonsense.

Clue 1:

At least one of the following players is a Vampire:

Fuzzy (of course ;))
Pooka
Sarek
Tina
Tony
Tyger





Ok, let's look at the list again.

Tony was the hunter. I'm not a vamp and according to my sources, Pooka isn't either. Sarek is the serial killer (again according to my sources :rolleyes:).

So that leaves Tina and Tyger. Or maybe both.. :scratch:

someothertime
09-19-13, 07:51 AM
#Turbo

Abi
09-19-13, 08:12 AM
Gooood Morning America. See, it's easy. Vote!

1 vote Turbo

11 votes outstanding.

Lunacie
09-19-13, 08:28 AM
#Turbo

That's what I got from that clue as well. But ... I still have an eye on Tyger.

Abi
09-19-13, 08:44 AM
Ok, let's look at the list again.

Tony was the hunter. I'm not a vamp and according to my sources, Pooka isn't either. Sarek is the serial killer (again according to my sources :rolleyes:).

So that leaves Tina and Tyger. Or maybe both.. :scratch:

Or maybe your "sources" are a figment of your imagination, and you and Pooka are the Vampires? :eek:

Fuzzy12
09-19-13, 08:46 AM
Or maybe your "sources" are a figment of your imagination, and you and Pooka are the Vampires? :eek:

You are my source Abi :D

TygerSan
09-19-13, 08:47 AM
Darn it ! I vote Sarek again! Though now fuzzy also seems suspect...

Fuzzy12
09-19-13, 08:49 AM
Tyger, I'm not. :D

I've got no idea about what you are or what turbo is but I do know that sarek is the serial killer.

# vote Sarek

Abi
09-19-13, 08:56 AM
You are my source Abi :D


I neither confirm nor deny this.

Abi
09-19-13, 08:57 AM
1 vote Turbo
1 vote Sarek

10 votes outstanding.

TygerSan
09-19-13, 09:03 AM
That should be 2 votes Sarek by my count.

Turbochica
09-19-13, 09:26 AM
#Turbo

*claps* thanks for your vote of confidence that I am a power player /flex *

Abi
09-19-13, 09:51 AM
1 vote Turbo
2 votes Sarek

9 votes outstanding.

pooka
09-19-13, 10:02 AM
There were attempts though!! Someone tried to kill me last night but thankfully I had OSI. Sarek, I'm guessing that it was you? :D

I have it on good authority that sarek was not up to anything suspicious last night.

Turbochica
09-19-13, 11:07 AM
for your listening pleasure vamp it up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLABwwmKdyc

Fuzzy12
09-19-13, 11:12 AM
I have it on good authority that sarek was not up to anything suspicious last night.

Someome tried to kill me last night and I know that Sarek is the serial killer and Sarek knows that I know.

Hmmm I also know who you are so I believe you that Sarek didn't leave his tent last night.

I wonder who tried to kill me then. Couldn't have been a vamp. Was it the werewolf? Are there any other killing roles? :scratch:

Turbochica
09-19-13, 11:16 AM
so many vampires...so little votes. . . .
*thoughtful look*
perusing the posts again, hmmm...
My gut tells me that those who voted for Tony,
knowing that he was probably the Hunter are suspect.
Why else would they be so quick to want to have him snuffed out?:faint:
Who else but one on the dark side would want him out of the picture?:faint:


Once again, the person who voted for Tony first in the last round, is the one that I will vote for

I vote for Siliv

* gasp! * empty coffee cup time for a refill. . . .poof! gone

Vote cast * smile*

Amtram
09-19-13, 11:26 AM
Argh! I am so confused now! Fuzzy knows too much, but that could be from being Town Council OR from being a Vamp. sarek hasn't defended himself very well against the accusations, though.

What to do, what to do?

I am very worried about Fuzzy, so. . .

#vote Fuzzy

Turbochica
09-19-13, 11:38 AM
I just wrote this poem in the poetry thread but wanted to share it here as well
Vampires Desires

The full moon, dark night
and that look in your eyes
is something that startles
but to me is no surprise

the distant screams
echo on in the night
as another human
is taken by your bite

Those long white fangs
now dripping with blood
and your ankle deep
in deaths miry mud

walking away satiated
raising face to the sky
targeting your next victim
the next innocent to die.

Abi
09-19-13, 11:45 AM
1 vote Turbo
2 votes Sarek
1 vote Siliv
1 vote Fuzzy

7** votes outstanding.

Fuzzy12
09-19-13, 11:45 AM
Amtram, I'm the sheriff. I investigated Sarek in the first night, and was told that he is the serial killer. I investigated Pooka last night and was told that she is an innocent. I don't know if she'd like me to share what kind of innocent though though.

I don't expect you to believe me (and you've voted already anyway :rolleyes:) but how about we stake sarek and if he is the serial killer, you'll know that I've been speaking the truth :cool:

Abi
09-19-13, 11:46 AM
State of the game

Players in the game:

Amber
Amtram
Fuzzy
Lunacie
Pooka
Rebs
Sarek
Siliv
SomeOther
Tina
Turbo
Tyger



INNOCENTS: 8
VAMPIRES: 2
SERIAL KILLER: 1
UNALLIED SHAPESHIFTER: 1


ELIMINATED:

1. Midnight.........Deceased, Staked by the mob on Day 1..........SPECIES/ROLE: Vampire/None..........(Resurrected as a UNICORN on Day 2 :))
2. Tony.............Deceased, Staked by the mob on Day 2..........SPECIES/ROLE: Human/Hunter

Amtram
09-19-13, 12:44 PM
Ah, but Fuzzy. . .we ALL say we're telling the truth! :giggle:

Fuzzy12
09-19-13, 12:49 PM
Ah, but Fuzzy. . .we ALL say we're telling the truth! :giggle:

Really?? :eek:

I only believe myself, so everyone else should believe me too :D