View Full Version : I'm worried about Bipolar


noradd
01-02-14, 06:25 PM
I suffer from depression and anxiety and have a lot of stress
and I notice that my stress resistance is sometimes very low.
Even small things can totally upset me and make my head spin
for example if I get some kind of bad report or a bill over something
I didn't order. Then I instantly feel totally overwhelmed and it's like
my head starts to spin.
On such days I am very hectic and also talk fast when people ask me
something and I just want to be alone and try to gather my thoughts.
I often have to do activities like walking around outside in the dark
in order to clear my head again.
Even as child I had it that when many things happened on a day which
were exciting then it was like my mind is upset and I had to gather my thoughts again.
What if this is bipolar? But I never experience any highs. I mean I dont have days where I feel manic or something.

I'm worried now. I mean how can one find out if one's bipolar or becoming bipolar? Shall I ask my doc about this? But I don't want to take bipolar drugs. I am already scared of antidepressants.

I mean how can you distinguish between someone who is bipolar and someone who is simply totally stressed out?

I also have days where I feel hostile and then later on I'm ashamed for feeling hostile. I simply think that the stress is simply too much for me.
:(

Could adhd mimick bipolar or vice versa?
Would ritalin trigger a manic episode in people who are bipolar?

Nicksgonefishin
01-02-14, 07:25 PM
why are you so stressed out?

mischaelman
01-02-14, 07:30 PM
My ADD was under-medicated for several years. This would cause me to have reactions like you've described.

This was discovered when updating documentation for graduate school. I was administered a TOVA on and off of medication. When the results of both TOVAs were compared to each other and with my IQ, it became obvious that I was underperforming and medication needed to be increased.

I found I was better able to control my emotional response to stressful situations after my medication was adjusted.

noradd
01-02-14, 07:53 PM
@ Nicksgonefishin

Because of studying. I have been under stress for years all due to studying. I have had so many phases were I just wanted to quit or felt like I cannot make it. It's just terrible. I also have nightmares about this.
The pressure is simply insane. I feel like it's life or death and everything depends on me finishing studying.

@ mischaelman

What's a TOVA? I am trying out ritalin LA but I dont think it's working.
It doesn't seem to do much at all. But what worries me is being so stressed out. Could it be that all the stress simply totally depleted my body somehow and now I'm a walking wreck waiting to snap? :(

mischaelman
01-02-14, 08:08 PM
TOVA information can be found at http://www.tovatest.com

Consider starting a journal to figure out how stressful events relate to medication.

I took Ritalin LA for many years. It would last for 8 hours in my system. Not everyone will benefit for 8 hours from that medication.

Remaining on the same dose of medication for many years could lead to tolerance. I had been on the same dose of medication for 8 years.

Are you seeing a therapist or anyone to help you with coping skills?

noradd
01-03-14, 03:22 PM
Tova looks good. Unfortunately my doc doesn't seem to have this.
Can you diagnose adhd with certainty when you use Tova?

No, I have no therapist I only go to a psychiatrist. I think most therapists aren't good at least from my experience.

phantasm
01-03-14, 03:38 PM
Norrad, I'm sorry to hear you are so stressed out. it sounds about unbearable for you. :(

Based on what you've mentioned, it seems like you are more anxious. bi-polar has a lot of mood imbalances as well as depression and anxiety. I didn't get the feeling you had a mood imbalance, aside from stressed to less stressed.

I agree about the journal. You could be overwhelmed with the weight of your schedule/responsibilities, not managing your time effectively, not noticing stress triggers, it could be anything. A journal might help you recognize when the stress is the highest and after what activity.

A psychologist would be the best option to help test you and determine the possibilities of disorders (assuming there is one).

I have bi-polar II and had no idea. I took a bunch of tests and it was clear to my docs what my disorders were.

Ask your psychiatrist for a referral to a psychologist.

Hang in there.

noradd
01-03-14, 05:39 PM
Hello,

but when you're bipolar do you not have times where you feel really good? Cause I don't have this.

I'd also be scared of being misdiagnosed. I mean what if someone said I'm BP and in reality I'm not? That would also be pretty bad. :confused:

For me the stress or the stressed feeling highly depends on the situation I'm in. For example when I'm all alone I feel much better than when I'm around people.

BellaVita
01-03-14, 05:47 PM
Hello,

but when you're bipolar do you not have times where you feel really good? Cause I don't have this.

I'd also be scared of being misdiagnosed. I mean what if someone said I'm BP and in reality I'm not? That would also be pretty bad. :confused:

For me the stress or the stressed feeling highly depends on the situation I'm in. For example when I'm all alone I feel much better than when I'm around people.

Doctors are pretty good at what they do.

Some people have only dysphoric hypomanic episodes as their "up."

It usually involves rapid thoughts, extreme irritability, rages, etc...it doesn't consist of good feelings from what I've researched.

Then of course there are the lows, depression.

Also, this is in BP II.

noradd
01-03-14, 05:55 PM
And how long do these episodes last?
A few minutes or hours?

When I get into a stressful situation then I start to feel agitated and irritable. But when I go outside and can walk around and calm down then I also quickly feel better. But the same stuff also quickly comes back when I am back in a stressful situation.

BellaVita
01-03-14, 05:59 PM
And how long do these episodes last?
A few minutes or hours?

When I get into a stressful situation then I start to feel agitated and irritable. But when I go outside and can walk around and calm down then I also quickly feel better. But the same stuff also quickly comes back when I am back in a stressful situation.

Usually 3-5 days at least.

I think diagnostic criteria for a hypomanic episode is 5 days, but I could be wrong.

A few minutes to hours is likely ADHD, or something else possibly.

It sounds like ADHD, from what you just described.

When in an episode, you can't just "walk and calm down."

mischaelman
01-03-14, 06:08 PM
I recommended the TOVA to help determine if your medication was effective.

There is not a single test used to diagnose ADHD. Several tests (including IQ), inventories, questionnaires and interviews occurred before I was diagnosed.

A therapist was very helpful for me. ADHD can cause emotions to stockpile. One of the most important things I learned was how to sort through emotions and put labels on them. Otherwise they take over. If you do get a therapist, get one who specializes in ADHD.

Therapists won't prescribe or suggest medication. They're job is to give you tools to cope. (You mentioned you're scared of antidepressants.)

Anxiety and stress are only healthy if they motivate you in a positive manner.

Phantasm is completely right about getting a referral to a psychologist.

Hope you are able to get answers and start reducing your stress level.

noradd
01-04-14, 05:06 PM
Hi,
I definitely dont have episodes which last days.
For me when I get up in the morning and get a letter or a bill which upsets me I am directly agitated and restless. But if I could lets say go for a run or simply release some tension I'd already feel better again. Also when I'm alone I am much calmer and structured I feel like I have more control over my day but when other family members are present it totally interrupts my day. I feel stressed by other people or by noise in general.
I often feel like tension builds up really fast on the inside and then I have to release it somehow.

I have been tested for adhd but I dont know how good these tests were.
I had to fill out questionaires and do an IQ test and a memory test and concentration tests on a computer. My memory and concentration werent normal for my age, I was told. The doc said it could be adhd. Then I was sent to an adhd specialist and had to fill out questionaires and the specialist wasn't 100% convinced he said other things can mimick adhd. I have symptoms but not all symptoms. I also dont know if I had issues in childhood. In school I did well. But for me a lot of issues only come up when the circumstances are "right".

But the thing is since I have already been on wellbutrin which didnt work and ritalin also doesnt seem to "work" either there isn't anything left. We don't have Adderall. Strattera has a bad rep and I dont want to try it.
Wether I have adhd or not doesnt really matter if the only meds available dont work. :(

mischaelman
01-04-14, 06:36 PM
You sound like you're ready to give up because other medications haven't worked for you. Don't! Medication isn't always the answer.

Focus on what you can do to help yourself instead of worrying about what can't be done. This is said with great concern and respect.

As someone who has learned to not focus on what they can't change, I know it's incredibly draining to live this way. You owe it to yourself to talk through these concerns with qualified therapist. One who specializes in anxiety and/or ADHD.

A therapist could help you sort out your stressors and if needed make an appropriate referral to a psychologist for a diagnosis. Therapists can be very helpful as an objective third party in situations like this.

noradd
01-04-14, 06:46 PM
Hello,
I have also ocd which probably makes it harder for me to not think about certain things.
There are also issues which I struggle with which drag me down and I cant escape them. I have nightmares about studying and exams and I cannot escape it. I wish I could. It's before me and I suffer from it and there is nothing I can do to simply make it stop.
I also tried therapy a few times and it was disappointing. I have no more trust in therapists. I think many of them suck and also don't really care. They only think about their money. I don't think I will go to a therapist again ever.
I feel like I'm trapped in a vicious circle. There really isn't much I can to do change my situation. Most of the time I'm either depressed or moan about things or I'm disappointed or angry at myself. It's always one of these things. There are things I simply cannot get over. I cannot count how often I dream I'm back in school and the whole future lies ahead of me. I wish I could turn back the time 15 years. I simply can't get over how much I ruined everything with false decisions. It's so damn painful. I know that moaning about the past doesn't help me but I can't stop. I simply feel like I ruined it all. :(
There are no smart advice from a therapist which would fix everything. I wish it was that easy.

Daydreamin22
01-04-14, 07:45 PM
BPii is hard to catch. It's often misdiagnosed as major depression. That's because it is depression most of the time... but has bouts of hypomania.
difference between adhd and bipolar ii
http://www.livestrong.com/article/87315-differences-between-bipolar-ii-/
http://www.livestrong.com/article/218577-drugs-that-treat-adult-adhd-bipolar-together/

anti depressents in bipolar ii have a bad reaction.. so if you have a bad reaction to antidepressants, that's a sign that you may have bpii.

wow.. everything and I mean everything about bipolar disorder
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/569751_4

Objective Measures of Behavior Manifestations in Adult ADHD and Differentiation from Participants with Bipolar II Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, Participants with Disconfirmed ADHD as Well as Normative Participants
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3497060/

difference between adhd, bipolar, and ptsd
http://www.nhchc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Aug2006HealingHands.pdf

Daydreamin22
01-04-14, 08:32 PM
The Farsi version of the Hypomania Check-List
32 (HCL-32): Applicability and indication of a
four-factorial solution

http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/578/art%253A10.1186%252F1471-244X-11-14.pdf?auth66=1389054706_ff9d5291e7d066bf779596f96 9c1161f&ext=.pdf

JesseB138
01-04-14, 11:26 PM
I suffer from depression and anxiety and have a lot of stress
and I notice that my stress resistance is sometimes very low.
Even small things can totally upset me and make my head spin
for example if I get some kind of bad report or a bill over something
I didn't order. Then I instantly feel totally overwhelmed and it's like
my head starts to spin.
On such days I am very hectic and also talk fast when people ask me
something and I just want to be alone and try to gather my thoughts.
I often have to do activities like walking around outside in the dark
in order to clear my head again.
Even as child I had it that when many things happened on a day which
were exciting then it was like my mind is upset and I had to gather my thoughts again.
What if this is bipolar? But I never experience any highs. I mean I dont have days where I feel manic or something.

I'm worried now. I mean how can one find out if one's bipolar or becoming bipolar? Shall I ask my doc about this? But I don't want to take bipolar drugs. I am already scared of antidepressants.

I mean how can you distinguish between someone who is bipolar and someone who is simply totally stressed out?

I also have days where I feel hostile and then later on I'm ashamed for feeling hostile. I simply think that the stress is simply too much for me.
:(

Could adhd mimick bipolar or vice versa?
Would ritalin trigger a manic episode in people who are bipolar?


I've been down this road before, doctors say I'm Bi-Polar just by looking at me, depressed etc.

If you're a guy, I'd get your T levels checked, your thoughts may trigger depression, but what starts depression? is your depression a way of you're physical body telling you it's not physically healthy?

I had the exact same symptoms stress, overwhelming, angry bursts until I self diagnosed myself with low testosterone, which was the cause of major depression which has left me unemployed and in need to start my life over.

And Yep I did take anti depressants (head up in the clouds). Bi-Polar medication (I almost walked out onto traffic not realizing pain was associated with being hit by a car or bus).

I personally would make sure you get yourself physically checked by a doctor (Blood Test for everything!) before you're given those mind bending pills.

Just be reminded, for years I said no to doctors taking anti medication and stuck with researching into the reasons why my mind and body were doing what it was doing.

noradd
01-05-14, 07:47 PM
@ Daydreamin22

Thank you for the links. I will read a bit into that when I have more time.

@ Jesse

I have low T. But all doctors I have been to were total ******** and always refrained from treating me cause I'm still borderline normal. I am so sick of begging doctors for help and these jerks simply go by their silly normal ranges.