Just wondering if anyone has tried Holosync or Tomatis.

I heard its good for stress relief for us ADD'ers.

Thanks

S

I've never heard of these and what are they?

I use holosync and love it. It costs a bit of money, but they do offer a free sample which I used for a long time. They mailed me a cassette tape free and I loved it. When I could afford it, I sent for the CD Set 1. There are 12 levels. I am suppose to graduate to level 2 soon. I have many friends and know many therapists who use holosync and swear by it. I'm sure it helped me a lot. I just love relaxing into it, when I put on the headphones. The person I flew to Santa Fe with wore headphones on the plane, and he was listening to holosync... and he swears by it and uses it daily religiously.

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I really love it, whether the research it is based on is correct or not, I do not know, but I must admit, I have never felt anything like it in my life.

Jonathan

Johnathon,

Thanks for info, Just wondering if it affected your ADD at all ie made it worse or did it just allow you to relax more?

Steve

Steve

It did not make my ADD worse. Centerpointe CDs helped calm my states of anxious thinking. I feel more centered when using Centerpointe, and very interestingly, I believe I need less sleep and am more awake, when using Centepointe.

Whatever it did, it was positive, and I have never met anyone with a negative thing to say about it. I have a belief that it really does rewire the brain a bit, but I can hardly prove that....can I?

Take care and if really interested, just order the free cassette tape and enjoy that demo tape for a while. The demo tape does the job for quite a while!

Jonathan

Johnathon,

Thanx for your info it's been really helpful. Gonna order me a set

Steve

I ordered the first set, "Awakening Prologue" yesterday and, after listening to the freebie CD, I can't wait for the stuff to get here!

Its great stuff, isn't it?!!! I realy enjoy it and function better with it, when I listen to it. Very healing.

The holosync is the real thing. I don't know about the Tomatus. I did get a letter from Centerpointe warning that a company was posing as a holosync technology.


Jon

Got it Friday (9/12). So far, so good! Except my cats tend to want to jump on my lap, so they can be a little distracting. Still trying to figure out how to get them to leave Mommy alone for 30 minutes! :D

Hang cat nip somewhere else in the house?

OR get a handsome dog.....or two......then the cats will be distracted....LOL

Hee hee! Y'all are just awesome! :)

Catnip doesn't affect all of my kitties...and puppy dogs would absolutely turn my house upside down! There's enough hollerin' and chasin' and fussin' between the kitties. To add a pooch or two..... I shudder to imagine! :)

Maybe I'll lock myself in a closet.... ;)

Its important to have one place you can call your sanctuary, where you can get peace and quiet once daily when you choose to. Thats not always possible, of course, but if you can set up a corner of a room with your peaceful collection of items used to meditate, things associated with calm and life, and soothing, that might help. As for the cats, throw them outside with a dog for a couple hours, that will tire em out! hehe

Jon

Last night was the best so far...the only cat interference I had were two brief touches from cold, wet noses during the entire session. :)

I'm going to concentrate your sanctuary idea...there's gotta be somewhere in my house just waiting to become my "Holosync Home." Thanks! :cool:

:) You're welcome

Jonathan

I am curious...in what way do you feel different from using this. I have seen tha ads in australia for holosync, but havn't known anyone using it.

Sleepz

Very relaxing. I require less sleep when i use this the night before.

I've ordered the demo, so will find out soon.

Sleepz

It's really helping with my anxiety. One of the aspects I like best about it is that you don't HAVE to focus on any one thing (an ADDer's nightmare!). You can listen and just let your thoughts take you where ever they take you.

Had my psychiatrist appt. this week and gave him my demo. I'll be interested to hear what his response will be.

And let us know what you think, Sleepz! :D

OK. Wha tis this and where is a link to it? <grin>

Here is the link to Centerpointe Research Institute for Holosync Technology.

It provides powerful meditation by simply listening. They are designed to do more than that, and I am happy with the results. Read more on it here and if you want to try it you can order a free demo tape, which is what I did, before I decided to order the CD set.


http://www.centerpointe.com/links.cfm?ad=27188




Jonathan

Hi,

Just want to ad that I have the Holosync level I (also started with free demo tape). If I can afford it... will certainly keep moving up the levels.

They have a new AWESOME "Virtual Audio" technology. If you call for the free demo tape - ask if it is in Virtual Audio. I don't have any Holosync tapes in Virtual Audio but listened to the Virtual Audio demo tape and was BLOWN AWAY!!!

Regarding Tomatis - there is a really good thread on that topic on the ldonline.com forums (Learning Disabilities) under the section "Parenting a Child With LD".

Tomatis is VERY expensive. For my LD/ADD child I will be using The Listening Program as an alternative to Tomatis (wish I could afford Tomatis). (look up The Listening Program on Google) Also, when you get to that website, look into BrainBuilder - I will also be ordering that soon for myself as well as my kids - builds up your short term memory and more...

Holosync and Tomatis are COMPLETELY different and work in very different ways. Tomatis was created by the "Father of ALL Auditory Integration Training Programs" All AIT programs are built upon Tomatis' research.

Tomatis Training can easily reach 10,000k (really!)

TLP costs around $500 and you have a support person.

The Listening Program is a home-based (less intensive) program but gets RAVE reviews and is used by most every Learning Disability and Learning Centers.

Feel free to e-mail me with any questions as I have done TONS of research into this kind of therapy.

TLP is not targeted for ADD - more for building up ineffective Auditory Processing.

BrainBuilder would be more targeted for ADD.

But IMO, the best intervention for inattentive ADD (not a total solution but lots of positive feedback from users and a decent amount of research... is IM - Interactive Metronome).

Kind of rambled... Hope some of this is helpful!

I got my holosync demo and am going to do it tonight, hope it's not to good to be true as I haven't had much success with meditation!
Got to find some headphones now. Bye

Hey janine~

Just wondering how you liked the demo/whether or not you decided to order anything.... :)

smoo

Smooch, I am still undecided. I am enjoying the Demo and would like to get the udder stuff, but money slows me down.
I am not sure of the results yet. I have been falling asleep faster because it is relaxing. I just don't know. You are supposed to be sitting and I wind up listening only lying in bed. I am enjoying the C.D and have had a lot of unusual dreams. I want to order some of the real thing, because one way or another I think I will benefit.
What did your doc. say smooch?

I'm planning on calling them for the demo, to try it out. I tried the web-based one, and at the very least, felt very relaxed before bed. (That's a plus, btw...lol)

I clicked the link for centerpointe and the only demo I see is one online. Is there some way to get a demo tape for my son?

Ginger

I noticed when I tried to help a friend get on that they changed it.
I emailed them her address and explained she didn't have a computer. They sent her one. Try emailing they are very responsive.

I stopped taking the over the counter sleeping pills as I get to sleep faster with the holosync. The first few times I sat up and listened and did feel refreshed after it.

The theory behind holosync matches very well with slowing down our active minds.

I have tried a few other less expensive options as well as the free demo. I think there is a lot of potential in this technology for us having had some pretty good experiences.

I have tried making my own with mixed success......If I could concentrate longer I could get better results....my catch 22.

Sleepz.

Originally posted by Jellybean
Smooch, I am still undecided. I am enjoying the Demo and would like to get the udder stuff, but money slows me down.
I am not sure of the results yet. I have been falling asleep faster because it is relaxing. I just don't know. You are supposed to be sitting and I wind up listening only lying in bed. I am enjoying the C.D and have had a lot of unusual dreams. I want to order some of the real thing, because one way or another I think I will benefit.
What did your doc. say smooch?

OOPS! I apologize for not getting back to you on my doc's response, Jellybean! Actually, in his typical fashion, he "lost" the demo I gave him somewhere on his desk....lol! I don't know that he's ever found it, but he said if it works, keep using it! :)

:D
smooch

Thanks Smooch.

Holosync is horrible, I have used it for about 5 months and it just made everything so much worse. I felt so overwhelemed confused and spent a good deal of time feeling unhappy and depressed much more than when i used it.

I stopped for awhile and then when i started using it again straight away i felt bad!

Can somebody fill me in on what this "holosync" is that you are all talking about

Hi Gary,

Holosync is based on a technology called brainwave entrainment.

It is an ausio based program that feeds sounds to one ear at one frequency and feeds the same sounds to the other ear at a slightly different frequency. The difference in the frequencies is noticed by the brain which then synchronises with the difference. IE 440Hz to the left ear, 450Hz to the right ear. The difference, 10Hz, is what the brain will synchronize with.

The sounds played are usually things like waves on a beach, forrest sounds, generally what most people would call background music.

The idea behind the technology is that the brain operates at different frequencies and that through the use of brainwave entrainment, the brain will change to the frequency that is provided by programs such as holosync.

So what does that mean in engish??? I'll explain by example (as I understand it).

When meditating and being very relaxed, the brain is operating at a low frequency around 608 Hz, and when the brain is concentrating, the brain operates at higher frequencies around the 15-20 Hz. Sleeping is down around the 4 Hz. These different frequencies are what are also known as Alpha Theta and Delta frequency ranges.

What the Holosync demo CD does is provide a very low frequency binaural sound that the brain normally operates at when sleeping.. As the brain aligns to the sounds without you having to actually do anything, it helps you fall asleep easily where before you may have taken hours or needed sleeping pills.

As JellyBean pointed out, it can help.

Though nearly all people find the demo helpful, there are people such as Sparky who try the full holosync program and find themselves feeling worse.

The full holosync program is designed to progressively help you "release" emotional blockages, and as you complete each stage(you listen to the sounds and feel no blockages), you then progress on to the next level.

For those who have a bad experience with holosync or don't want to spend the money...what alternatives are out there???

The main alternative is Hemisync which was developed by one of the guys who worked with the Holosync team but left to start up his own company.

The Delta Sleep System CD put out by Jeffrey Thompson is another alternative that has many people speak highly of.

There are many medical opinions that ADD folds brains operate at too high a frequency to maintain concentration and that this technology could be beneficial to people with ADD.

I have yet to see any structured tests showing any particular product improving any particular ADD symptom but there does seem to be some logic in the reasoning. It is definately a different approach though.

Hope this helps.

Sleepz.

ok I understand now

thanks

*The Delta Sleep System CD put out by Jeffrey Thompson is another alternative that has many people speak highly of.*

I've tried this. If you're having sleep trouble, it's good.

Where do you get these various Demo Cds

Anybody got a link to the sites

Hey Garry, here's the downloadable demo:
http://www.centerpointe.com/index.php?page=demo
I just tried it without obvious results but I'm feeling pretty crappy to start with today.



Here's another thing that works on brain wave manipulation with a mild electrical current: http://alpha-stim.com
I mentioned this here a few days ago:
http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8949&highlight=ces

Well, I tried the demo a few times & didn't get anything really dramatic, some tingling and interesting visual patterns. If nothing else, it is pleasant to listen to and maybe an easy way to do mediation. It's rare to get me to sit down with my eyes closed and relax for 15 minutes straight. I didn't even take a cigarrette break LOL.

I asked my wife to try it (she agreed if I did the dishes Ha). She felt her heart racing at one point and got sort of annoyed/bored toward the end.

Now here's something interesting. I was curious what Dr 'brain-scan' Amen thought about this and he doesn't discuss this or the CES device but does talk about biofeedback being somewhat useful for ADD. The weird thing is the holosynch tapes are designed to slow down your brain and Amens mention of slow brain waves is in reference to ADDers brains slowing down too much when they try to concentrate. Normal people get faster brain waves when asked to concentrate, ADDers get 'brain farts'. So, I dunno, the holosynch literature says slowing down the brain allows tremendous super thinking but Amen says the opposite. I believe the object of biofeedback for ADD is to get a more alert faster brain wave.

The Alpha-stim CES electrotherapy device is designed to stimulate fast brain waves. They say it may keep you awake if you use it in the evening. They also say it just kinda improves overall connectivity stimulating more neural connections so after turning it off you might be able to relax knowing you can think when required but maybe not having to always keep the hyper-panic button on. I kind of made up that last part. The holosynch tapes also describe an intended effect of creating more neural connections between the left and right hemispheres. Not sure how that relates to ADD but they say it produces super-thinking... more wholistic genius type thought. IMO ADDers are capable of that already but it is a draining and erratic condition. Also the holosynch claims to increase endorphin (our natural opium) and some other hormones and stuff.

Hmmm...

i have listened to the sample sound track... and it is amazing. its a form of meditation like as in buddist monk or yoga meditation. its seems to be a great way to excercise to quiet the mind down. my mind is always chattering, and this meditation sound track was able to tame my mind just enough to notice. im buying this thing for sure. coolness for sure.

Hi, I did The Listening Program and The Sound Health Series; both of which are based on the work of Tomatis. They make no medical claims and I am not endorsing anything here. You can view them for yourself if you like @ www.advancedbrain.com

To Smarky and the others,

Holosync (I am a user not a seller of it) has an EXTENSIVE support system. If you call them they will (would have) helped you get through your emotional turmoil. It is to be expected that you felt bad. Most people who turn to Holosync do so because they wish to feel good. So in order to get to the good stuff, some upheaval is in order. But SUFFERING over this upheaval does not have to happen due to Holosync. Neither does depression.

I wish for anyone and everyone who has a desire to use Holosync to know it does work. Absolutely! but you have to use their support staff, and read the materials.

I have EXTREME ADD and it helps me sleep at night (if I wake up I put my headphones back on and go back to sleep), it helps me focus at work incredibly, I have been through so many changes in the past year it is just amazing. No one would believe you can by a product that really works much less can help you solve life's most pressing and important problems. This isn't instant relief (like drugs or other 'cures'). This is a 9 year adventure!

The other thing I recommend is the online course. I just started using it and around lesson 5 I learned a huge key to my ADD. I discovered a way that I make decisions using unconscious patterns based on feelings. I learned how to notice this process and how to change it (when I notice it). I have been making great strides in staying focused at home and completing tasks!

Anyone wish to know more just ask.




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Hi smeagle978,

Could you elaborate on the lessons?

I read somewhere that the "overwhelm" feeling is due to the brain not functioning right, and the good feelings is due to the release of endorphins. The brain develops an immunity to the stimulus and requires more powerful stimulus to generate the same feelings, hence the need for higher levels (stronger stimulus). Eventually the body breaks down.

The relaxed feeling is due to the entrainment to lower Theta waves, which ADDs have too much of.What is needed is more Alphe/Beta waves.So, how does Holosync help?

Thanks,

Nezh

Here are some exerpt/links to the above information.
Michael Hutchison On Holosync



There's a thread (http://integralnaked.org/forum/m.asp?m=23745) on Integral Naked where one member posted an interesting e-mail from Michael Hutchison (http://store.avsjournal.com/ewimihu.html) regarding the use of Holosync (http://www.centerpointe.com/index.php?page=faq). (google links were added for convenience.) I have much to say about the holo sync process, none of it good. Among other things I suggest you look up on internet such words as Beta brain waves head injury brain damage (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Beta+brain+waves+head+injury+brain+damage&btnG=Google+Search) (that would be one search) and also kindling effect brain (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=kindling+effect+brain&btnG=Search). Also brain wave hypersynchrony and brain damage (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=brain+wave+hypersynchrony+and+brain+damage&btnG=Search). these are just a few the starting points....A summarized response (http://integralnaked.org/forum/tm.asp?m=23745&p=2&tmode=1&smode=1) was posted by another forum member based on his conversation with Centerpointe (http://www.centerpointe.com/) (creators of Holosync).
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1. On Hutchison's email: They have heard about Hutchison's comments from a number of people and are mystified since Michael had been a supporter of binaural beat technologies in the past. They are trying to reach him to have a conversation about this.

2. On the matter of "kindling" and "hypersynchronicity": Holosynch has not received a single medical complaint that the use of their tapes caused these type of medical conditions. They are willing to provide a signed letter to vouch for this since there have been a number of insinuations that Holosync know more about this problem than they let on. Also, as a commercial enterprise they would expect an investigation from the FDA if any such concern had been aired by a physician or psychiatrist treating a patient.
....

DISCLOSURE: As a user of Holosync (Level 1 only) I was at first concerned when I've read Mr. Hutchison's e-mail. Ironically, one of the reasons I started experimenting with brain-mind machines was because I've read Mr. Hutchison's classic book, Megabrain (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0345410327/coolmel-20). Centerpointe's response seemed sincere and professional, yet I would still like to hear from scientists/neuroscientists who have extensive background on this subject-matter so I can form a more informed opinion.

I find brainwave entrainment highly effective, but be careful to avoid theta/delta waves for the most part as they could worsen add symptoms. I find neuroprogrammer2 from transparentcorp.com to be cheaper and more applicable to add than Holosync. I am in no way affiliated with this company; I use it daily and find it very helpful. I find the beta sessions, smr, alpha and gamma sessions most helpful.

I just got the Demo. I noticed I feel pretty good and I slept well. I do have a question. Does it help your concentration and mental skills? Meditation often helped my ability to focus so I was wondering if I could expect the same from this.

Well I had to quit. It seems to have made me have some anger problems. Maybe it would have been something I could have worked through but right now I'm
just putting it aside. Don't need anything to make me angry.:(