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Fuzzy12
02-13-14, 07:32 AM
Sorry, I'm flooding this board...

We've been talking quite a bit about accepting and allowing your feelings but how does this work with depression? I've been feeling better yesterday and today morning but now I can feel my mood sinking. Drastically. I'm not sure why.

So what do I do? Accept it? Analyse it? Try to cheer myself up? Try to stop the slide?

Uggh..I don't want to feel this way. I also can't afford it. I've got too much work to do today but suddenly I'm too depressed to even think straight. So what do I do? To me it seems that the best would be to ignore the feelings (or put them on hold) and just try to get on with work. But how? Or should I wait for 30 mins, when my next stimulant dose is due and hope that it will make me feel better? Or should I try to figure out why I'm suddenly so miserable and deal with it? I just want to sleep.

someothertime
02-13-14, 07:51 AM
I do not believe it is helpful with clinical depression Fuzz... The only possibility here is to not be harsh on yourself... or ruminate... nor ignore/repress... almost impossible without meds.

I saw your explosive post yesterday... a true work of art... one becomes curious about how to differentiate... flow ebbs, from more biological / pure depressive / bipolar symptoms... bed would be an indicator to me that it may be either the ADHD strides and resulting absence have triggered a more clinical state... or maybe not... but resisting will not help... nor will full allowing either... Light... light... light... and specialist...

Or yesterday was more manic, bipolar and this again is the flipside... Now this is an uber fine line here... Perhaps... same meds and time will help to stabilise... or... perhaps it will compound... hence... doc needs to monitor... Lower stims > crash anyways...

The whiplash of pure ADHD is void... which the mind fills, usually with ruminbabble... Mood is flat... though... not so heavy if that makes sense... If we don't allow ourselves to go up so much we can't fall so hard... though, i'm yet to work out how workable that is... without constant vigilance... For you though... there is more at play

Either way... best to talk with the doc if it gets heavy... or keep it as simple as possible... give yourself some space to digest and recoup...

There is a small risk that stims might effectively mask or prolong this emotional onset resulting in a much harder crash when it comes...

Take easy Fuzz... Bare minimum...



NOTE: Anyone who counteracts thinking whether they have underlying illnesses or not gets a big whack when they start... This is not to say that what you are experiencing is pure thinking alone... though it is to be expected.

agirlandherdogs
02-13-14, 11:21 AM
can you keep a journal with you ... acknowledge the feelings ... what's bringing on the feelings .. what you'd like to do about them etc ... but then write them down and hopefully be able to move on .. and then do the same when you see that the mood has change. I guess kind of what your doing here on the forum, getting it out of your mind at least ...

Fuzzy12
02-13-14, 11:22 AM
Someothertime, which explosive post?? :eek:

Raye
02-14-14, 07:35 AM
Fuzz- I think quickly analyzing the depression may be a good way to go. WHY am I depressed? is it something that can be fixed? ( ie, a certain situation you are in)

if it's something specific you can do something about, just remember its fixable and try not to let it ruin your day. Especially at work when you need to do your best.

p.s....I missed quite a bit. when and why were you put on a stimulant med.?

Fuzzy12
02-14-14, 08:28 AM
Fuzz- I think quickly analyzing the depression may be a good way to go. WHY am I depressed? is it something that can be fixed? ( ie, a certain situation you are in)

if it's something specific you can do something about, just remember its fixable and try not to let it ruin your day. Especially at work when you need to do your best.

p.s....I missed quite a bit. when and why were you put on a stimulant med.?

I do that but the problem is often that there isn't a simple reason and more often it's nothing that can be fixed.

I finally got diagnosed with ADHD last year (((:eek:))), hence the stimulants ...

daveddd
02-14-14, 08:32 AM
you asked

ACT seems to have the best results of the mindfulness acceptance based therapies


http://books.google.com/books?id=4VUp7wlwXH8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=acceptance+and+commitment+therapy+depression&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bwz-UqnpG-rMyQHGnYC4AQ&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=acceptance%20and%20commitment%20therapy%20depres sion&f=false

Raye
02-14-14, 08:44 AM
Oh wow Fuzzy-

I def. missed you being diagnosed with adhd!

were they wrong about the bi polar diagnoses? or is it both?

someothertime
02-14-14, 08:57 AM
Someothertime, which explosive post?? :eek:

Soz for delay Fuzz... Maybe explosive was not the best word... maybe optimistic would better suit... Your baby steps thread... I'm pretty sure that's the one I saw...

I read that and I saw the spark of change... / momentum... almost optimism... I thought to myself... holy ****! Is this really Fuzz?

SO yeah... just making a connection with that post and the last line in my response to this thread... The mindfullness whiplash factor... RUss Harris ( happiness trap ) calls these screaming demons... basically fears manifested through negative thought and avoidance...

He says every step toward them lessens their power... But I think with co-existings it's a real mindfeild as to what's at play... I'm back at tapes... I faught demons though they were just orks... So out came the Ringwraiths... I'm looking for saʊron... once i get past them...



But yeah... I like ginn's advice ( diary - small thoughts ) and going slow.

Fuzzy12
02-14-14, 09:04 AM
Oh wow Fuzzy-

I def. missed you being diagnosed with adhd!

were they wrong about the bi polar diagnoses? or is it both?

It was the event of the century ;)

I'm not sure. The psychiatrist who diagnosed me with ADHD thinks that I'm not bipolar but just have severe problems with emotional regulation, which does seem more likely, I think.



I read that and I saw the spark of change... / momentum... almost optimism... I thought to myself... holy ****! Is this really Fuzz?



Really?? :lol:

:grouphug:

daveddd
02-14-14, 09:10 AM
and yes several things from ACT helped me tons

but i still need help from meds for depression, especially in the winter

Fuzzy12
02-15-14, 07:52 AM
Woke up terribly depressed, hubs pushed me out of bed and I immediately took my meds. Felt a bit better but now they are wearing off and my mood is sinking. Did 20min of cardio in the hope that it will make me feel better. It hasn't improved my mood but now I feel light headed and dizzy. :lol::doh::doh:

I can't afford to mope around. I've got too much to do. So accept the depression and just continue with my work? Is that the next step? Mope while cleaning?

daveddd
02-15-14, 09:17 AM
Woke up terribly depressed, hubs pushed me out of bed and I immediately took my meds. Felt a bit better but now they are wearing off and my mood is sinking. Did 20min of cardio in the hope that it will make me feel better. It hasn't improved my mood but now I feel light headed and dizzy. :lol::doh::doh:

I can't afford to mope around. I've got too much to do. So accept the depression and just continue with my work? Is that the next step? Mope while cleaning?

yep, get to it

its all you can do

Fuzzy12
02-15-14, 09:54 AM
Cleaned the kitchen and washed clothes. Still feeling a bit lightheaded. Took my 2ndose and my mood is improving already. I don't want to use the stims as anti depressants and I'm worried that I'll become dependent on them just cos they make me feel better and because I feel like **** when they are c wearing off. Maybe an xr version would help.

I started reading the link you posted on act dave. Thanks. I've tried to do this before but it's almost impossible to get moving when the depression hits. But I need to learn to do this not only because being productive makes me feel better but also because getting rid of depression is hard. I can't afford to keep putting my life on hold. It s getting more and more difficult to pick up the pieces everytime and undo the damage. . It's a vicious cycle. Feel bad, do nothing, feel worse because of doing nothing, etc. I need to break the cycle.

daveddd
02-15-14, 10:24 AM
Cleaned the kitchen and washed clothes. Still feeling a bit lightheaded. Took my 2ndose and my mood is improving already. I don't want to use the stims as anti depressants and I'm worried that I'll become dependent on them just cos they make me feel better and because I feel like **** when they are c wearing off. Maybe an xr version would help.

I started reading the link you posted on act dave. Thanks. I've tried to do this before but it's almost impossible to get moving when the depression hits. But I need to learn to do this not only because being productive makes me feel better but also because getting rid of depression is hard. I can't afford to keep putting my life on hold. It s getting more and more difficult to pick up the pieces everytime and undo the damage. . It's a vicious cycle. Feel bad, do nothing, feel worse because of doing nothing, etc. I need to break the cycle.

yea, I'm no doctor or anything, but from the writings on ADHD , this seems to be the style of therapy that is most useful

the methods in the book did not cure me, but it made me a different person , importantly the person i knew i was , and WANTED to be so bad

and everything you post, hits home 100%

VeryTired
02-15-14, 10:32 AM
Fuzzy--

Where is sarahsweets when we need her?! She always explains this so well when people need to hear it. You are thinking about this all wrong. You are supposed to depend on your medication BECAUSE YOU NEED IT. Without it, you won't be OK. Like glasses for the myopic, insulin for the diabetic, etc etc.

You seem to be assuming that being depressed or not depressed is in your own control and if you just tried harder, you wouldn't be depressed. Well, if that were true, weren't you have long ago eliminated depression? Your medicine is indeed supposed to make you feel better, and if it does, that's a good thing.

Maybe xr would be good--sure, discuss it with your doctor. Also review with the doctor what the medication does and doesn't do, how it fits into your life. It can't fix all your problems--that's why you hear so many people say that medication + therapy is what yields insight, transformation, life improvement. The meds make you feel enough better to open the door to learning, retraining your thought loops, making new choices, etc. You probably can't do all those things without the support the meds provide, so let them help you to help yourself.

Depression is insidious--it makes us think things that aren't really true and that don't make sense. Right now, you are not thinking as clearly as you can and should about your medication. Accept this, but be gentle with yourself. I'm so sorry you're having another tough patch now. Remember, though, it's possible to be making big life progress and still have times when you feel bad. It's not necessarily a contradiction.

daveddd
02-15-14, 01:11 PM
fuzzy

if anything , read the couple page section called "the dark side of human language"

it starts on 13 and is only 2 or 3 pages