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Tara
08-05-03, 06:00 PM
The local Boston News just did a piece on Dore Achievement Centers http://www.dorecenters.com/.

They have some sort of exercise program that is supposed to help people with AD/HD and other LDs.

Dore Achievement Centers' individualized exercise programs are aimed at minimizing or eliminating Cerebellar Developmental Delay (CDD), the likely cause of many learning disabilities.

They also interviewed a medical professional from Mass General Hospital who said that the AD/HD and the other LDs didn't have anything to do with that part of the brain.

The News also said the the program runs about $2800 and usually takes about a year.

Alfred Mann
08-16-03, 08:44 PM
As I dug into the DDAT, Dore website, I read some research that was published about their program. What was interesting, was that the research gave credit to something called The Learning Breakthrough Program as the basis for the development of the exercises you mentioned. As I kept digging around the web, I found the site www.learningbreakthrough.com.

From what I read, users with ADD/ADHD may find it beneficial because it's use puts demands on the balance system and as you reach higher levels of balance, you must react faster. (Increased brain reaction time is one of the effects of stimulant drug therapy (Ritalin)). It seems this Learning Breakthrough Program has been around for many years and has been used to help improve cognitive performance and that attentional benefits may have come unintentionally. The learning breakthrough website appears to be very realistic, not making wild claims as I saw on the Dore site. And the program costs only $319, a whole lot less than the $2800 you mentioned.

I would check this out. Sounds like the Dore group has taken this program and turned it into a medical venture, treating a never heard of condition called"Cerebellar Development Delay" CDD. I guess that is their theory. Maybe that is why it iso costly.

waywardclam
08-16-03, 08:47 PM
According to Dr. Amen any sort of regular workout program will be beneficial to people with ADD anyways...

joanrdtobe
08-16-03, 10:41 PM
That's been my experience....I walk or swim 5 to 6 times per week....(of course Florida humidty has forced me to go mall walking)....and my head and brain feel clearer as a result....and I feel less nuts and crazy....and a bit more motivated and focussed....

freestyler
08-20-03, 05:10 PM
Not having done exorbitant amounts of research on the subject, I can't really comment on the DORE program. it does sound too costly, not for me. As you mention a good workout is always good, especially for people with ADD. Now how is this DORE program so closely related to Biofeedback. I don't see any support for that on any of these forums. Can someone guide me???? Keep up the good work.

healthwiz
08-20-03, 06:44 PM
The learning breakthrough program that you mention sounds like it overlaps on the same idea of IM therapy, which is creating better timing, and thus faster and more accurate reaction times...... and they claim the IM patients are getting excellent results, so this is very interesting, that two modes of therapy, operating from different techniques and slightlyt different exercises, both result in increased brain processing speed, and both focus on reaction time. There may be something to this, and 300 bucks sounds reasonable - i'm going to check it. To me, any amoutn sounds reasonable if it is effective, considering how much probable income loss is involved with not functioning at or near ones potential best.

On the other hand, don't take this as an invitation to rip off people with ADD who are sincerely looking for answers. I still want to get everything for as low as or as reasonable a price as feasible, especially since many people with ADD don't have the big bucks and need their treatments to be within reason on price.

Jon

Alfred Mann
08-21-03, 07:31 AM
Here is some very specific information regarding the question of BIOFEEDBACK. I sent a question asking about biofeedback to the folks at www.learningbreakthrough.com and here is the response I recieved. I will warn you, it took me a few times of reading it through to really understand as it was a little confusing at first. If you have an interest in biofeedback this may be of interest.

"To understand the comments that follow, you need to visualize the activity being described. One would be standing on a blance board that has grid lines on it to allow precise symetrical positioning of your feet. The pendulum ball is a a rubber ball the size of a baseball attached to a string that would be hanging from the ceiling directly in front of you as you stand on the balance board. It can freely swing as you tap it and try to make it go where you want. The ball is affixed in a way that it never gets tangled. It acts as a true pendulum. Instructions for the activity might say something like "hit the ball with the back of your right hand and make it go in a counter=clockwise direction, then when it comes back, hit it with the back of your left hand and make it go in a clockwise direction and continue in that fashion (or you may be hitting it over a target that sits on a stand) The exercise and equipment are both part of The Learning Breakthrough Program.

The activities in the Learning Breakthrough are probably some of the most powerful biofeedback activities that you can perform. Standing balanced and centered on the Balance Board used with the program aligns the body and brain with the gravitational field. Precisely controlling the trajectories of the pendulum ball involves cortical, visual and motor processes, vestibular and cerebellar processes, and the antigravity reflex systems.

You see the ball orbiting through space. You track it and predict when and where you must intercept it. You determine the exact amount of force and the direction in which the force must be applied to change the present trajectory to the trajectory the ball must travel to reach your target. You act. You track the ball to your target. If the ball goes where you want it to go the case is closed. If you miss your target you review the entire sequence. You must remember what your originally saw, review what you planned, and review what you actually did. You equate this to what happened and determine what elements in the sequence must be modified to gain proper control of the pendulum for the next try.

This activity involves precise timing and the coordinated functioning of many brain areas. It is as elegant a biofeedback activity as you can find.

It is the essence of the Learning Breakthrough Program. In the Learning Breakthrough you can precisely adjust the precision demanded by or the difficulty level of the activities."

healthwiz
08-21-03, 11:05 AM
SOunds very interesting and again, goes back to improving response speed and accuracy to a stimuls involving timing. I believe the IM Therapy uses visual cues on screen of computer, so again, combining physical response to a visual and auditory stimulus.....this is about cognitive exercise requiring physical movement. A friend cured his son of a learning problem many years ago by attending an institute of cognitive development, in Pennsylvania somewhere, and attended two weeks of training, in order to learn how to physically train his son in order to improve the brain development in the areas that were diagnosed to be lacking. The kid started getting straight A's 2 years later, but it involved building a literal gym in the man's house, the mother quitting her job and staying home to do the exercises with the child for hours each day. But it worked!! So this appraoch of using physical development to be a catalyst for cognitive development is not new, and sounds more and more interesting.

Jonathan

waywardclam
08-21-03, 12:20 PM
With effort like that put into it, while it is good to see that it worked, it seems to me like there MUST be an easier way to improve.

Do any of you know anything about Neurofeedback? I have become very interested in it as it seems like it has similar methodology and results, but without all of the associated gymnasium building... :D :D :D

healthwiz
08-21-03, 06:45 PM
Actually this was an adopted child from a very disadvantaged background, who was adapted by a family who could afford for one parent to stop working. I was so impressed with what they did for their adopted son, that I chose to ask them to help me solve my own learning problem, which I could hardly admit to anyone. I had to drop out of college because I simply lost the ability to read - period - could not comprehend one sentence. I was on the medical merry go round for almost a decade without any real answers, and the suggetions were getting mpore and more bizarre, so I went to this friend, a chiropractor, and asked him to help. He is the one who saw me in his office, and had me return in 3 days, and had a neurologist there waiting for me, to see me. The result of that day, ended with the discovery of my sleep apnea condition, which allowed me to return to college.

I have the most respect for these people. They literally turned my life around and made college possible for me again.

Jonathan

Tara
09-29-03, 02:55 PM
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Unique...But Effective?
Research shows that up to 20% of Americans have a learning disability. Now an unusual method for treating learning disabilities, created in England has come to the U.S. - one located just outside of Boston. Claims of its success are boundless, but there is little independent evidence to support it. For more information visit www.dorecenters.com (Julia Bovey reports, 9/23/03 10 p.m.) from
http://www.boston.com/news/necn/Health/



Click the link below to watch the video:
rtsp://necn.mirror-image.com/media/VIDEO/dore_0923_9p.rm

k_moments
12-01-03, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Alfred Mann
As I dug into the DDAT, Dore website, I read some research that was published about their program. What was interesting, was that the research gave credit to something called The Learning Breakthrough Program as the basis for the development of the exercises you mentioned. As I kept digging around the web, I found the site www.learningbreakthrough.com.

From what I read, users with ADD/ADHD may find it beneficial because it's use puts demands on the balance system and as you reach higher levels of balance, you must react faster. (Increased brain reaction time is one of the effects of stimulant drug therapy (Ritalin)). It seems this Learning Breakthrough Program has been around for many years and has been used to help improve cognitive performance and that attentional benefits may have come unintentionally. The learning breakthrough website appears to be very realistic, not making wild claims as I saw on the Dore site. And the program costs only $319, a whole lot less than the $2800 you mentioned.

I would check this out. Sounds like the Dore group has taken this program and turned it into a medical venture, treating a never heard of condition called"Cerebellar Development Delay" CDD. I guess that is their theory. Maybe that is why it iso costly.

k_moments
12-01-03, 11:40 PM
I would like to know if anyone has actually tried the Dore Achievement Cetners program, or, the Learning Breakthrough program. Did it work? Or not? Did you use it for LD or ADHD or what? I am considering trying this....the logic seems pretty compelling, the testimonials look great. But, did anyone try it and feel it was a waste of money and time. Thanks for the feedback!

NLPer
01-22-05, 02:03 AM
After reading US News and Report April 26, 2004, about DORE I started looking into it for myself. If it would work, 3,000 dollars would be cheap. The other problem is I would have to drive 8 hours to a center. So I did research and came across- Brain Gym, Learning Break Through-which was started by Frank Belgau creator of the "Belgau balance board", also a book Stopping ADHD, copyright 2004 which talks about the Symmetric Tonic Neck Reflex, and how crawling against resistence deals with it. Also I found some stuff on sensory intergation disorder. It was all getting confusing.

Jan 5th Ed Hallowell came out with his new book, Delivered from Distraction. In chapter 29 intitled Cerebellar Stimulation: A specific kind of physical exercise that can be used to treat ADD.- he talks about his journey. It is mostly about DORE...but very interesting.

Fo myself I decided to try learning breakthrough because it is $350 instead of $3,000. I hope I can keep doing the excersizes required. The DORE testing would help with motivation. But to far to drive and to much money.

Any one else try DORE or learning break though ???I would be excixted to hear about it!!

Nachi2005
01-22-05, 03:01 AM
Hi Everyone..I just wanted to ask if there are any online resources of technique for better management of ADD.

I live in India and dont have the means for all those wonderful packages, courses which are discussed in here..but would love to learn something to able to deal with my ADD, BPD and Panic attacks.

I find myself paralysised with fear and panic and just dont know where to begin.

Nachi

Ian
01-31-05, 02:38 PM
Try the search function here on the forums to isolate they types of help you are looking for. Most of the help here is in referrence to books or personal stories that others have found useful.
Cheers! Ian.

Jerseythursday
02-04-05, 04:50 PM
I came across your forum, because I have a Daughter enrolled in the Dore Achievement Program and was looking for others to compare experiences with.
A quick summery: Our daughter just turned 7 (the youngest age Dore will accept). She suffers from ADHD and we were also suspecting dyslexia.
We saw a report about Dore on Good Morning America. I sounded great, the spokesman for Dore explained that several LD's like ADHD and dyslexia were the result of underdeveloped cerebellum stimulation. He explained they had developed exercises that helped increase and strengthen cerebellum stimulation with amazing results for everything from ADHD and dyslexia to overall coordination and athletic ability. The clincher for us was that Dore tests for Dyslexia starting at age 7. We desperately wanted this because we could not find anyone locally that tested for this until 3rd grade. We also were looking for a nonprescription alternative to help the ADHD.
But, the commitment was substantial. Chicago was 6.5 hours away and the initial visit and testing was $1200.
The series of tests (lasted about 2.5 hours) involved monitoring eye movement and balance with electrodes imputing data to their computer system.
At the end of the testing, you meet with the physician who goes over the results. She has compiled a series of exercises to address the various needs. Our results stated that our daughter does have slight dyslexia (an 8 on a 20 scale they use) and a high level of ADHD.
They then ask to set up an appointment to retest (not as extensive) to monitor improvement 6-8 weeks later. Another $250.
We did the exercises diligently twice a day for 7 weeks and returned to find out virtually nothing had improved. They told us this was fairly normal and that it took much longer to start to see progress. From my observation (we are now at 10 weeks), I have seen nice improvement in her coordination and balance but no progress with the ADHD and dyslexia.
I will return one more time and if I don't see any tangible improvements they will see the last of me and my money.
So, do recommend I recommend it? Sorry to say I'm still not sure but am growing skeptical. I will return to this forum a bit later to give updated results an an updated opinion.

Emma
02-25-05, 04:37 AM
We tried this with our 10 year old son and spent about a year on the programme. There were some improvements but not of the core ADHD. So would not really recommend it. However, quite a few people I know said their children's dyspraxia and dyslexia improved. Many said it didn't.

The exercises start off okay but a year on they are ridiculous and a 10 year old can't possibly do them. Can't do them myself for that matter!

tess
05-12-05, 10:28 AM
I've been on the Dore program now for 5 days. I was told that if I was not suitable for the program, they would recommend against it.
I had the assessment done and they told me that my results were perfect and that I probably wouldn't benefit but they claimed that if I signed up, I would probably improve my concentration.
After reading the forum, I was dismayed at their money making scheme. I just sent them an email asking them to contact me in the morning so that I could cease the program.
I feel like I have been taken advantage of.
I was diagnosed with Adult ADD when I was 17. I am now 28 and have been on dexamphetamines since then. I have to take a lot more to function, which means I go through 200 tablets within 15 days, which means I can't pick up the next prescription until 30 full days have passed.
I have been prescribed every possible anti-depressent and I also did my own research and decided to ask my doctor for Modafinil. Nothing has worked, not even Ritalin. The only thing that works is Dexamphetamines.. I'm worried about the long-term effect on my brain, especially on the dopamine available in my brain.
I have been to psychiatrists, psychologists, Dore centre, behavioural optometrists. neurologists and all they do is take my money and offer me nothing..
I would like to get psychoneuroplasticity done, but it's in the USA and I live in Australia.
Hopefully I will get a refund on the Dore program. All they are doing is introducing EXERCISE into peoples lives.. I can do that on my own.. I have paid $4200 on the program and I am disappointed.. They tell you they give you all the equipment and yet I didn't get half the equipment.. I called them and they told me that some of the equipment they don't provide.. They were able to provide the pilates ball and the wobble board but couldn't provide the tennis ball and the playing cards.. so I have $4200 for what exactly? For some exercises that I may not get any advantage out of..

They stand in shopping centres and con people like me.. I feel so stupid..

Ian
05-13-05, 12:58 AM
tess that's a horrible thing to have happen. That sinking feeling in your gut when you know it's all a sham. Ouch.

Thanks for thinking to help others to not have to follow your path through the mud on this one.

Oh and if some of the members here catch wind of you feeling too stupid, they'll make you repeat after them something along these lines:

"You are beautiful, you are strong and you are worthy of praise." I'm not kidding. Wheezie still does it to me now and again... well not the beautiful part, I'm a guy and just don't qualify for the title.

Welcome to the forums. I hope you can find some fun here.
Cheers! Ian.

scuro
05-13-05, 01:17 AM
Barkley doesn't buy this stuff. It's genetics....would you try to cure bad eyesight with brain exercises?

boothie
05-14-05, 09:07 AM
14th May 2005
My son has had behaviour problems at school and has delayed speech. He is now 7.5 yrs old. Tantrums & not waiting his turn. Also failing to complete tasks.

He has been in Speech pathology for 2 years, & has been diagnosed in the Austism Spectrum, though I have my doubts myself...or perhaps I am a overprotective parent. Everyone wants to label "our" children it seems.
You couldn't "pick it" by looking at him. He does not display the classic symptoms of the disorder & I will not have him on any medication.

I have just been through the Dore assessment yesterday with him and observed all the diagnostic tests. I must say, that if the tests are not a con, every child should do them. There does seem to be science behind it.

We started the excerises this morning. We are looking for behavior changes, and social improvements. His reading is above average for some reason.

We go back for a checkup in 6 weeks, where they compare the original baseline assements against new data.

Should be interesting....& yes..its expensive..$4500.00 Aussie Dollars
Here's Hoping..
I may update this for people's info as we go.

Hopeful Dad!

snowcatrm
10-29-05, 06:23 AM
I am thinking about the Dore Program and am starting to think twice about the $4220. I am still researching this site, but have found no definitive answers. I can read and read and read all the info on this forum and process it to make sense to me, but I can not for the life of me explain it to someone else and have them understand me. I don't know if people are too scared to say they got swindled by DORE or that DORE works and they forgot to come back and tell the unknowing. If it did or did not work, why isn't anyone coming back to preach their gospel of praise or dismay? I googled DORE and came to this section of the forum and the last post was 5 months ago.

Alfred Mann
11-19-05, 02:03 PM
You should really take a look at www.learningbreakthrough.com. They provide an at home program of exercises and equipment that was the basis for the Dore Centers. The cost is only $359US plus shipping.

mrwhiskers
03-21-06, 02:58 PM
How are things going now? I am very interested in hearing an update.




I came across your forum, because I have a Daughter enrolled in the Dore Achievement Program and was looking for others to compare experiences with.
A quick summery: Our daughter just turned 7 (the youngest age Dore will accept). She suffers from ADHD and we were also suspecting dyslexia.
We saw a report about Dore on Good Morning America. I sounded great, the spokesman for Dore explained that several LD's like ADHD and dyslexia were the result of underdeveloped cerebellum stimulation. He explained they had developed exercises that helped increase and strengthen cerebellum stimulation with amazing results for everything from ADHD and dyslexia to overall coordination and athletic ability. The clincher for us was that Dore tests for Dyslexia starting at age 7. We desperately wanted this because we could not find anyone locally that tested for this until 3rd grade. We also were looking for a nonprescription alternative to help the ADHD.
But, the commitment was substantial. Chicago was 6.5 hours away and the initial visit and testing was $1200.
The series of tests (lasted about 2.5 hours) involved monitoring eye movement and balance with electrodes imputing data to their computer system.
At the end of the testing, you meet with the physician who goes over the results. She has compiled a series of exercises to address the various needs. Our results stated that our daughter does have slight dyslexia (an 8 on a 20 scale they use) and a high level of ADHD.
They then ask to set up an appointment to retest (not as extensive) to monitor improvement 6-8 weeks later. Another $250.
We did the exercises diligently twice a day for 7 weeks and returned to find out virtually nothing had improved. They told us this was fairly normal and that it took much longer to start to see progress. From my observation (we are now at 10 weeks), I have seen nice improvement in her coordination and balance but no progress with the ADHD and dyslexia.
I will return one more time and if I don't see any tangible improvements they will see the last of me and my money.
So, do recommend I recommend it? Sorry to say I'm still not sure but am growing skeptical. I will return to this forum a bit later to give updated results an an updated opinion.

Jerseythursday
11-29-06, 07:12 PM
We gave up after 6 diligent months of exercises. It made absolutely no difference (for ADHD or dyslexia). Our family physician (who is also a friend of mine) said he was very skeptical, all along, but felt it was worth a try (he had never had a patient try anything like this). Our daughter is now on 10 mg of Ritalin and although it helps her concentration, it almost works too harshly. She is concentrating so hard, at school, that she has a tough time being sociable. By the time it wears off, she becomes her self again. Trying to do what is best for her ADHD has made me very frustrated and cynical.

:mad:

FrazzleDazzle
11-29-06, 08:24 PM
Hi Jerseythursday! Thank you so much for coming back and posting! I am so sorry it hasn't worked well for your daughter. It doesn't work for everyone, and I understand your frustration and cynicism. I would surely believe that you would notice some positive changes within 6 months, and I do know that most have to go on to complete at least 12 months to get full benefits of the program.

There is something I want you to know about and consider, and that is the primitive (baby) reflexes. Dore does test for them, and say that they are addressed if necessary in the program. However, I have done some more research on this, and am corresponding with another mother who's daughter went about 9.5 months into the Dore program with little results. We are both doing a different therapy to address a retained reflex that MUST be out of the way, we believe, before one can get the full benefits of the Dore program, again this is in our opinions. She has noticed more results from this other therapy than from the Dore, but will continue on with the Dore program when through with the reflex therapy, to address the higher neurological issues from Dore. My son had only completed 1 month before we stopped for the other therapy, and we (I'm doing it to, but cannot afford Dore for myself) have also had some great results. To summarize, it appears, in our opinion, that the primitive reflexes need to be fully matured before Dore can take over and work. They had told me they were looking more into this as well, as others have not gotten the results all had hoped for. The reflexes that interfere with learning are the STNR reflex, and the ATNR reflex. There is much information on the web regarding these reflexes. When retained, they effect learning and behavior. The therapy we are currently doing is just the cost of the book. Your daughter may be a candidate if she did not crawl properly, or long enough (a ful 6-8 months) as an infant, as this is how those reflexes mature and ges out of the way, to put it simply. If you think this may be an issue for her and would like more information, please feel free to PM me, or you can do a search here on this site for "STNR" as I have a journal running. The results are truly amazing, and worth a look, and we are excited at gaining the full benefits of both programs when completed with Dore. I know this was lengthy, but I want to give you some hope and encouragement to keep up your search for answers, or at least to keep it in the back of your mind if her meds are not either working like you would hope.

Best wishes, and please continue to keep us posted!

1kid

mrwhiskers
11-30-06, 12:44 AM
Jerseythursday-

Hang in there! The suggestion by 1kid2dogs was very thoughtful and supportive. I hope that you are able to give it a try. Dore is nice in that you can come back to it at a later time and it will not cost anything extra (at least that is the way I understand it). It sounds like you are not alone in your frustration but most people that complete the program see life changing results. I can attest to that. I am finding that I am much more comfortable in social situations. They say that is one of the first things that is noticable. I have been in the program for 6 months and still have a ways to go to get the full benefit. It is not always easy to get the exercises in every day but, with only a few exceptions, I have managed to get them in.

I hope that you find 1kid2dogs comments to be encouraging and that they give you hope for your daughter. Please hang in there and give her suggestions a try. We all need encouragement as this kind of therapy is a paradigm shift from conventional treatments.

Keep us posted on how you are doing.

Warm Regards,

Mr. W

mrwhiskers
11-30-06, 01:02 AM
There is another link/thread that shows what people with ADD deal with in social situations. It was good to see that I was not a freak and that other people are in the same boat. Your daughter may be experiencing similar feelings. It is hard to articulate but if you read the comments together with your daughter, she may give confirmation that she is feeling the same frustrations.

I do not struggle with these things now after being in the program for 6 months. There should be more improvement in this and other areas but even if there is not, it is already worth the $ and investment in time.

http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28202

mrwhiskers
11-30-06, 01:04 AM
This is from the Hallowell Center.

http://www.drhallowell.com/hallowell_center/dore_center.html