View Full Version : what should human beings pay attention/motivation to ?


SB_UK
05-03-14, 09:55 AM
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Attention/motivation should only be paid when it makes sense so to do.
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Making sense can be translated as increasing the survival likelihood of individual/species (where making the world as much fun for all people together definitely would increase species survival likelihood).
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However - people appear to be able to be motivated towards behaviours which are not in their, nor their species best interests.
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Addictive drug seeking behaviour (notably including the desire for money/power) is a classic example of what the majority of people appear to strive towards (as big a car as possible, as many sexual partners, as much money as possible, as large a car as possible) ... ... with no attempt to ask the question whether the individual/species is actually receiving any benefit from this behaviour.
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It doesn't make sense for an individual to pursue that form of agenda - what is being followed is a primal agenda which results in reward from success in obtaining {money, power, partners}.
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If we either make human motivation/attention completely subservient to an enforcedly moral mind, or make an enforcedly empathic mind in charge of behaviour - then we can overcome the psychopathic reward system activators, described above - defining an individual's behaviour.
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So - question - the ADDer is born into an empathic reward system, which with education and development of mind becomes a moral reward system ie behaviours only possible (rewarding) if empathically appealing (ie you can see/'feel' the lives of others improving as a consequence) and, in addition, and as the mind builds - this empathic connection is re-inforced by the capacity to explain why one's actions are for the best.

So - we've a natural empathizing nature which accumulates (with construction of mind) into a systematizing basis to the empathizing condition.

The important part about systematizing and empathizing working together - is that it's possible to derive empathizing reward eg you giving your neighbour some heroin and seeing the look of happiness on their face - but we need systematizing (ie a globally logical viewpoint or complete mind) to prune behaviours which re-inforce through empathy, but are actually in nobody's best interests.

The problem I've had before is in trying to make a young ADDer morally consistent.
This problem can be overcome by simply shifting the ADDer into a placeholder empathy based reward system, which is supported in time, with a mind.

So what's the difference between ADDer and nonADDer?
The nonADDer has a choice of following the empathic or the selfish approach to reward; the ADDer hasn't.

--- Summary ---
Attention/Motivation guided by empathy - which with learning grows to be supported by sense, which can be simply expressed.
Empathy without Systematizing capacity can be flawed.
Systematizing without Empathizing will go awry.
Balance between Empathizing and Systematizing won't fail.

The difference between ADDer and nonADDer is simply our relationship to reward.

We place systematizing as subservient to empathizing.
As opposed to empathizing as subservient to systematizing.

So - we'd expect the ADDer to have an Anterior Cingulate Cortex over Pre-frontal cortex developmental trajectory, as opposed to the other way around.

Abi
05-03-14, 11:01 AM
My subjective answer: Treacle tarts :)

SB_UK
05-03-14, 12:04 PM
No sugar/starch (treacle tarts) no dental disease.
-- Bob Marley

There's absolutely no way that we can lay the dental disease epidemic at anything other than the feet of human stupidity in failing to ask and see through why it is that people eat scientifically validated poison.

Human greed (Consumer) meets Human greed (Producer) under the stress of Human greed (Everybody).

Abi
05-03-14, 12:21 PM
I had 4 teeth out last week. One was quite difficult, it was rotten to the gum. The extraction site still hurts. Thank Pharma for opioids.

I'm getting lovely new implants soon :)

SB_UK
05-03-14, 12:23 PM
I had 4 teeth out last week. One was quite difficult, it was rotten to the gum. The extraction site still hurts. Thank Pharma for opioids.

I'm getting lovely new implants soon :)

Poor people can't even afford to look through the windows of dental implant shops.

SB_UK
05-03-14, 12:27 PM
Did you know that pediatric dental disease, also referred to as childhood tooth decay, is the #1 chronic childhood illness? http://www.ncohf.org/resources/tooth-decay-facts

Whether it has any genetic component is immaterial.
Avoid environment (treacle tarts) and you'll be OK.

There's absolutely no way that a life in [vegan] ketosis 'd suffer from dental decay.

Abi
05-03-14, 12:31 PM
Without getting too political, I do believe in socialised medicine.

Treacle tarts for all, dental implants for all!

SB_UK
05-03-14, 12:38 PM
Without getting too political, I do believe in socialised medicine.

Treacle tarts for all, dental implants for all!

Not affordable - especially at the runaway rates private healthcare charges.

Ageing populations are going to break the bank.

We need people to stop taking the disease causing route.
Which, I'm hoping will be possible if we simply reduce the distress they're under by removing the requirement of money to survive.

SB_UK
05-03-14, 12:41 PM
An ageing population has pushed the NHS and social care system to the brink of collapse, the health minister Norman Lamb has warned.
No form of medicine other than preventative can work.

Abi
05-03-14, 12:41 PM
I'm intereted in exploring the differene between money as a medium of exchange and store of value (good/convenient) and money as a commodity (LM curves, interest rates, inflation)(bad) but the topic is too inherently political for open forums.

Maybe I'll start a thread in Debates sometime....

SB_UK
05-03-14, 01:25 PM
I don't think that any system can work if the individual requires payment - since this will always pre-empt attempting to get as much as possible for whatever has been produced.

IE money in any form requires greed to work.

Without greed - money cannot function.

Eliminate greed and the individual doesn't want anything back in return.

SB_UK
05-03-14, 01:37 PM
If what you do, you do for personal reward - you won't want anything back.

Production is reward in itself.

SB_UK
05-03-14, 04:32 PM
No sugar/starch (treacle tarts) no eye disease.
-- Bob Marley


Dr. Fredrick’s excellent review of myopia fails to acknowledge that diets high in refined [sugar/]starches such as breads and cereals increase insulin levels that can adversely affect ocular development and predisposition to myopia.
http://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/29/myopia-possible-link-increased-refined-carbohydrate-intake-and-hyperinsuli

SB_UK
05-03-14, 04:35 PM
No sugar/starch (treacle tarts) no obesity and Type 2 diabetes.
-- Bob Marley

The fat switch
The author explains that the reasons for the fat switch to always be turned on in humans is due to the ingestion of high glycemic foods such as sugar, fructose (which the author seriously maligns) and simple carbohydrates.

SB_UK
05-03-14, 04:37 PM
what should human beings pay attention/motivation to ?
No sugar/starch in the gourmet raw vegan (ketosis) diet.

ruby.149.42
05-04-14, 12:47 AM
No sugar/starch (treacle tarts) no dental disease.
-- Bob Marley

There's absolutely no way that we can lay the dental disease epidemic at anything other than the feet of human stupidity in failing to ask and see through why it is that people eat scientifically validated poison.

Human greed (Consumer) meets Human greed (Producer) under the stress of Human greed (Everybody).

I try and make light conversation around this at present round of 4 year old birthday parties we're doing. The FOOD that most parents are teaching their children are "treats" and party food. I'm seen as the hippy wowser who goes to a great deal of trouble getting loads of yummy healthy party food at my daughter's gigs. Lots of parental eye-rolling all around as you can imagine. Sh*ts me no end.

SB, you are officially invited to a 5 year old birthday party down under in November. I would love you to have this debate with all those parents.

SB_UK
05-04-14, 03:37 AM
I try and make light conversation around this at present round of 4 year old birthday parties we're doing. The FOOD that most parents are teaching their children are "treats" and party food. I'm seen as the hippy wowser who goes to a great deal of trouble getting loads of yummy healthy party food at my daughter's gigs. Lots of parental eye-rolling all around as you can imagine. Sh*ts me no end.

SB, you are officially invited to a 5 year old birthday party down under in November. I would love you to have this debate with all those parents.

I have this problem also.
People are killing their own kids.

Why bother doing science if human beings aren't going to listen ?

SB_UK
05-04-14, 03:49 AM
Right now - I'm surrounded by students about to take exams.

They're forcing, energy drinks (caffeine, sugar), sweets (sugar), fast food (starch) into themselves to stop them falling asleep and being able to study.

Are we sure that the only difference between ADDers and nonADDers is boredom threshold - where the stimulant (sugar, caffeine, wheat, dexedrine, exercise) is simply being used to stop people falling asleep ? ADDers/NonADDers both susceptible to boredom - it's just that if we've ACC over PFC dominance, as opposed to PFC over ACC dominance - then we'll be at a disadvantage when it comes to learning pointless but intricate systems ie will become bored more quickly - as a mechanism underlying the different boredom thresholds.

The goal should be to immerse children within a type of activity which is rewarding - which they want to do.

As far as I can see - and from all of the students that I've talked to - it's just a case of finding the best 'cheat' guide to get the highest grade for least possible pain (studying) information which none of them are interested in acquiring.

Imagine an average party.

Sugar.
Alcohol.
Presents.
An excuse to dress up (show off).
Lots of wheat and dairy.
Often meat.
Coffee and chocolate.
Cigarettes.
Drugs.
Sexual activity.

All stimulants.

Do people actually want to see other people - or is it simply an excuse to drug themselves silly on the materialist reward system ?

Now - take away all of the above - and would you go and see somebody else ?
The answer for me is no unless there's something productive (including exercise) to do - though I wouldn't exercise with others as it's hard to find a matched partner.

All forms of human party (including the kiddy party) as an excuse to develop drug seeking behaviour ?

SB_UK
05-04-14, 04:04 AM
what should human beings pay attention/motivation to ?

As far as I can see it's healthy mind (morality) and healthy body (aerobic fitness).
A consequence of healthy [complete] mind / healthy body will be an understanding of the nature of God (evolving fundamental substance) - which puts all else into perspective - healthy spirit.

Healthy mind, body, spirit - is all that the individual should be paying attention to - since that's all that the individual is.

And instead all that people are interested in are treacle tarts in treacle tarts whilst listening to 'Stuck on you'.

Abi
05-05-14, 05:15 AM
A personal anecdote: I'm having a cheeseburger and chips with Scotch and Coke right now and I find it gives me great personal satisfaction,

SB_UK
05-05-14, 10:17 AM
A personal anecdote: I'm having a cheeseburger and chips with Scotch and Coke right now and I find it gives me great personal satisfaction,

I don't think we can use the term satisfaction unless something positive arises ie by some definition of improved physical or psychological functioning.

That diet will only kill you.

Abi
05-05-14, 10:18 AM
I will use the term satisfaction when and how I please

SB_UK
05-05-14, 10:25 AM
I will use the term satisfaction when and how I please

Heroin addicts derive satisfaction when they inject heroin.
Runners derive satisfaction when they run.

We need to separate the 2 forms of satisfaction to use the term meaningfully.

Epidemiologically validated as being EUstressful as opposed to DIstressful works ie with prolonged exposure you'll live a longer healthier as opposed to a shorter sicker life.