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SB_UK
05-05-14, 09:39 AM
Apart from the post-WWII blip in some countries, famine/starvation will have been a strong reality for the majority since the original speciation event of man 30,000 years ago.

It's interesting that despite the speciation event occurring 30 - 40,000 years ago - that the recorded word only commenced a few thousand years ago <- this indicates a change in capacity for abstract thought.

To be followed up later - what's the logical conclusion in development of abstract thought ? To uniquely stipulate the properties of an entity which may be called (synonymously) - creator / creation[evolution]
- ie completion of mind.
Literature from the Iron Age includes the earliest texts which have been preserved in a manuscript tradition (as opposed to texts which have been recovered by archaeologists), including the Avestan Gathas (see date of Zoroaster), the Indian Vedas (see Vedic period), parts of the Hebrew Bible (the Old Testament; cf. dating the Bible), and the earliest literature from Ancient Greece.So - wisdom literature was available 5,000 years ago - but what followed were 5,000 years of not paying attention to what the texts actually meant.

Furthermore - note the recent evolutionary characteristic of activation of the reward system by music (sensory experience).

It is possible to switch from the use of glucose (the body can only carry ~500g 100g glycogen/400g muscle glycogen - on the last site examined - not verified) to ketone bodies (fat derived and so survival for longer).
Glucose can be spared for all but the rbc/liver - noting that presumably - the more aerobically fit that you are, the less energy required by rbcs to keep them in oxygen delivery mode.

Survival [not using glucose - a precious and limiting resource - particularly under starvation] would have placed a constant pressure on the epigenome to select for growth processes which're pruned (glucose-requiring/growth) ie epigenetic sculpting towards as energy efficient [as close to glucose spared] an organism as possible - with the capacity for fat deposition at the sight of any blood glucose/fructose elevation.

High insulin sensitivity - where insulin is responsible for fat deposition / anabolic processes.

Insulin would be the fat switch.

IE a population sculpted itself prior to an emergent population (ADDers) who're programmed to lay down fat.

This is not a flaw - it's a very significant evolutionary feature.

Which goes wrong if carbs are eaten / DIstress (glucose mobilizing) cortisol is felt.

Carbs/DIstress of the stress sensitive will result in incredible weight gain; all anabolic processes presumably - muscle included, I guess.

We're in the middle of a global T2D/Obesity epidemic.

This epidemic underlies all other closely associated diseases.

Underlying it all - is simply insulin sensitivity (<- ADDer state/Basis to 'thrifty gene' hypothesis/a strongly selected evolutionary trait) in a world with plentiful carbs, and overwhelming stress resulting in glucose mobilization to levels well in excess of the body's needs.

Overwhelming (particularly psych. stress) from pointless educational schemes and workplace designations - result in SNS/Cortisol resistance - result in the low arousal state.

The low arousal state characterizes ADDers.

The low arousal theory is a psychological theory explaining that people with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and antisocial personality disorder[1] seek self-stimulation by excessive activity in order to transcend their state of abnormally low arousal.

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How something so good goes so badly wrong.

The people suffering from T2D/Obesity are the products of positive evolutionary selection.

Just that they were born into the wrong (adverse food supply / adverse psychosocial environment) world.

Abi
05-05-14, 09:45 AM
Most ADDers have fast metabolisms and are super-active and skinny.

The fat ones are usually fat due to medications for o-existing conditions like depression or bipolar.

Fraser_0762
05-05-14, 10:02 AM
Most ADDers have fast metabolisms and are super-active and skinny.

The fat ones are usually fat due to medications for o-existing conditions like depression or bipolar.

Not necessarily. Boredom can drive a person to eat. If you're bored 24/7 and doing nothing productive, then you may eat vast amounts of food.

It's a very common occurrence for a person with ADHD.

Abi
05-05-14, 10:06 AM
Lets do some research.

Please vote on my poll: http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161539

SB_UK
05-05-14, 10:08 AM
So many papers on this subject.

Here's one from a couple of weeks ago which pretty much sums the idea up.

Childhood attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder symptoms are risk factors for obesity and physical inactivity in adolescence.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24655652

CONCLUSIONS:

Children with ADHD or CD symptoms are at increased risk for becoming obese and physically inactive adolescents. Physical activity may be beneficial for both behavior problems and obesity.

SB_UK
05-05-14, 10:10 AM
Lets do some research.

Please vote on my poll: http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161539

Not entirely fair since stimulants are appetite suppressants.

I lost 1/3 (actually one third) body weight on dexedrine.

meadd823
05-12-14, 01:44 AM
Depicting all or most ADDers as being over weight isn't fair either - Some of us who are ADD are neither inactive nor are we over weight - never have been -

Those in my family who tend to have weight issues also have bipolar which I believe is a sneaking metabolic disaggregation rather than an actual disorder of the mood - I think the mood is effected by metabolism variances that are simply more sensitive in the bipolar individual - It may be worth noting that bipolar people also have a higher than average incidence of also being ADD. . .I can see where this may effect weight.

I have always been sensitive to breads and starches - I feel bad if i eat to many of them so I have by nature avoided ingesting starchy things - Now that I am older I have found gluten to be bothersome and also added that to my list of things I avoid ingesting - which leaves me meat veggies and non-citrus fruits. . . .

peripatetic
05-12-14, 01:58 AM
i've long had a problem keeping weight on, regardless of medication (type) i'm taking or not taking

sarek
05-12-14, 02:03 AM
I seem to be buffering quite well, meaning that it doesn't make much of a difference what I eat. Even during extended periods that I used quite a bit of sugar and carbs I gained weight only so gradually that it was barely noticeable.

Now that I am cutting out a great deal of additional sugar and increasing my activity levels, its not coming off either.

SB_UK
05-12-14, 07:26 AM
It's not really very challenging to suggest that ADDers take stimulants to make us feel better.

Similarly it's not very challenging to suggest that sugar/high GI foods are stimulating (ie sugar rush etc).

And it's not very challenging to suggest that it's sugar/high GI foods which result in insulin production/fat deposition.

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Perhaps (because of the effects of stimulant medication) we'd find that people who have no medication, haven't located a self-medication will default to carbs to self-medicate.

It does seem as though it'd be the easiest to access stimulant to acquire.
Maybe physical exercise is also easy to acquire - but it's not compatible with the life we expect of people in this current world -

ie only study, only work.

Finding room for exercise is much harder than finding room for a doughnut.

Fast food drive-throughs ensure that you don't have to lose any time out of your busy study/working life to acquire a sugar/starch hit.

SB_UK
05-12-14, 07:34 AM
http://media3.policymic.com/ZDA1NTQ5NGMxMSMvWmJrbTBfOTM0TTBScGw0QmxSLTRld281UW gwPS8xMzl4MDoxNTYyeDg5Ny84NDB4NTMwL3MzLmFtYXpvbmF3 cy5jb20vcG9saWN5bWljLWltYWdlcy9kYWVlODM3OTZhNWZjOD FlYmUzYTI5MmIxZWY4MTcxMDFlMGZlMGRkNGQ5NTE2ZGQwMDNm MGUyNTk2ZmFhNTk3LmpwZw==.jpg

http://www.policymic.com/articles/88015/what-happens-to-your-brain-on-sugar-explained-by-science

On the left is your brain on sugar. On the right side is your brain on drugs. Notice the similarities?

http://media2.policymic.com/627d960acebd412262c8f63779005a4e.png

This PET brain scans show chemical differences in the brain between addicts and non-addicts. The normal images in the bottom row come from non-addicts; the abnormal images in the top row come from patients with addiction disorders. These brain scans show that that addicts have fewer than average dopamine receptors in their brains, so that weaker dopamine signals are sent between cells.

This is what sugar does to your brain — the exact same thing smoking, alcohol and cocaine do.

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Sugar's the socially acceptableand profoundly potentially addictive self-medication.

? Western diet's high sugar/starch as a major basis to ADHD ie you're generating a population of drug addicts - obvious to anyone who has a child at a birthday party
- sugar cocaine drug seeking behaviour.

Don't bother preparing a salad none'll touch it.

Sugar/Starch as THE gateway drug.
From the pattern above it's fairly obvious that chronic sugar/starch will lead into amphetamine usage to combat the tolerance which chronic hyperglycaemic agents appear to court (evidence above).

I really wouldn't worry about marijuana leading to heroin - look at chronic hyperglycaemia through the modern Western diet leading to cocaine and worse - extreme behaviours to excite a blunted (tolerant/resistant) reward circuit.

Fairly obvious no ???

someothertime
05-12-14, 08:30 AM
this line of treatment is way underpromoted... and i'm sure it is half the reason "the military" is said to be great for adders...

funny how over sugar ( or whateverthehellicangetmyhandsontosnappifymybrain ).... one must ask.... is there such a thing as a healthy diet these days... the fact that by default... instating a "natural" intake ( low gi grains + protein + vitamins ) I refer to as "treatment" sheesh!

for the majority of "modern society"...... one must study.... source.... prepare..... etc. etc. yet we are bombarded with "healthy" messages, which serve most as little more than a fairy tale.... or "specialised" thing that must me put in place... with considerable strain. ( aka, hoops and results distant from nature )

Such a shame.... SB... you have weight watchers there? wanna make a million dollars and help out some adders? call up branson and get 1 bill to start up "brain watchers"...

the "to your door" sugarless, low GI, brain nurturing meals on wheels ;)

( 30% off for ADDF members of course ;) )

SB_UK
05-12-14, 08:39 AM
this line of treatment is way underpromoted... and i'm sure it is half the reason "the military" is said to be great for adders...

funny how over sugar ( or whateverthehellicangetmyhandsontosnappifymybrain ).... one must ask.... is there such a thing as a healthy diet these days... the fact that by default... instating a "natural" intake ( low gi grains + protein + vitamins ) I refer to as "treatment" sheesh!

for the majority of "modern society"...... one must study.... source.... prepare..... etc. etc. yet we are bombarded with "healthy" messages, which serve most as little more than a fairy tale.... or "specialised" thing that must me put in place... with considerable strain. ( aka, hoops and results distant from nature )

Such a shame.... SB... you have weight watchers there? wanna make a million dollars and help out some adders? call up branson and get 1 bill to start up "brain watchers"...

the "to your door" sugarless, low GI, brain nurturing meals on wheels ;)

( 30% off for ADDF members of course ;) )

Healthy diet


Identify physiological parameters and feed them.

[1] We require an alkaline pH (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=acid+alkaline+foods&rlz=1C1ASAC_en&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&imgil=ipisjcu6RYWpKM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252F encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9 GcRlX6cfNNbvBMbPnt5DcZrumcveHyIJNTZgFF_cRjvBY6Rl9z R6AQ%253B886%253B644%253BkOV3DscFfgFf7M%253Bhttp%2 5253A%25252F%25252Fwww.billschoolcraft.com%25252Fp h%25252F&source=iu&usg=__hlpgVTnKO5z8imQSpsQPtq7zSf4%3D&sa=X&ei=0sBwU4LaDa_50gWW0oG4BA&ved=0CEkQ9QEwAw#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=ipisjcu6RYWpKM%253A%3BkOV3DscFfgFf7M%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fwww.billschoolcraft.com%252Fph.jpg%3 Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.billschoolcraft.com%252Fph %252F%3B886%3B644) - so feed foods which leave an alkaline pH
[2] We require a stable blood glucose - so feed foods which have an effectively zero GI
[3] We require foods which are ionically balanced with life so eat life

- and we've a MUFA-rich vegan (AND ONLY A MUFA-rich diet (PUFA if CP)) diet which ticks all 3 boxes ie which supplies sufficient calories too ... ...

Meat's out (acid forming), processed food is out (acid forming and mostly high GI and not ionically balanced by virtue of salt content), all drinks whether fruit juice or sugary (high GI), caffeinated beverages (elevate GI and acid forming), cake is out (starch + sugar - very high GI) ... ...

just:
CP vegetable based oils, soaked nuts/seeds, low GI fruits (berries), low GI veggies (ie not potatoes), salad and herb teas/green teas.

<- eating to optimal physiology and not (sugar/starch/meat) to your own death.

SB_UK
05-12-14, 11:02 AM
Apart from the post-WWII blip in some countries, famine/starvation will have been a strong reality for the majority since the original speciation event of man 30,000 years ago.

So handling starvation would strongly select.

The state of starvation would strongly select for human beings who can survive happily in ketosis.

The diet in the post above is very definitely a vegan ketogenic diet.

Point ?

That evolutionary selection hasn't generated 7' muscle laden superhuman barbarians.

But little people with highly efficient metabolisms who're custom designed to exist in ketosis.

Maximise survival by limiting energetic requirement.

'The Thrifty gene'

Do not expose to treacle tart world; Thrifty gene'rs (ADDers) go wrong - in treacle tart world.

Presumably we're blood glucose/insulin sensitive - and so in a high sugar/high starch world become addicted (see post above) more easily.
The addictive personality - all based around insulin/blood glucose sensitivity in a world where we swim in the stuff.

http://www.reneweveryday.com/20-tell-tale-signs-of-adult-adhd/

"ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY"

SB_UK
05-13-14, 03:51 AM
'addictive personality' - I'm 99% sure will prove an individual's best tool in defining themselves as ADD.
Most people will know if they're addictive personalities.
If so - then - because there's a mechanism underlying EVERYTHING in phenomenological reality
- addictive personality as - presumably a mechanism of handling tolerance induced to the reward system via high GI/sweet food consumption in the hyper (thrifty gene) sensitive.

SB_UK
05-13-14, 03:54 AM
Why the strong emphasis in this entire story on carbs ?

Simply carbs drive insulin favour fat deposition ensures survival.

We *only* need food to survive.
Carbs will ensure our survival through harnessing Insulin.

It makes sense that from an evolutionary perspective - not only should we be unsurprised that carbs play a key role - but moreso - there's no other chemical entity in the running.

SB_UK
05-13-14, 05:18 AM
http://www.eco-friendly-africa-travel.com/longevity-diet.html#

Aimed at ensuring a long HEALTHY life
- many aren't particularly bothered about the long - all are bothered though about the healthy part.

Longevity Diet lesson 1: Whole, organic fresh food
- raw vegan ketosis - eating to physiological parameters - little fructose/sugar/carbs.
Note - the stress of Western society drives high carb/high fat ie McDonalds consumption - and our own death.

Longevity Diet lesson 2: Vitamin D and exercise
Note - the workplace stress of Western society drives life indoors when the sun is out and sedentary living.

Longevity Diet lesson 3: Strong community values
Note - Western society's fundamentalist capitalism/consumerism drives an inevitable breakdown in society - since you're in competition with ALL other people for limiting resources; the world's citizens are your enemy - naturally resulting in a complete collapse (at every level) in community values.
Stong global community is required - and should be possible given a global internet.

The Longevity Diet lesson 4: Spirituality and a sense of purpose
Note - Western society pours scorn on anybody who seeks a spiritual existence, preferring to praise all of those addicted moronic fools that love expensive things ie money, power, sexual conquest.

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In summary

ADDers (on multiple levels) represent the emergence of a metabolically efficient (insulin sensitive) social species (predisposition to wisdom, empathy, telepathic communication) and are destroyed by life in a world (see above) which prevents activation of our reward system / causes us stress through contravening our reward system.

Everything to do with Western society's capitalism/materialism (see above) contravenes our reward system
- where our reward system is in alignment with (see above) - the epidemiologically validated optimal way of living - as assessed by human healthy longevity.

SB_UK
05-13-14, 05:30 AM
More simply.

ADDers aren't born with a death-wish (the urge to adopt growth-promoting/virulent behaviours).

ADDers are born with a reward system which is satisfied with a profile of life which is in alignment with an optimal life (as assessed by healthy longevity).

The very advantages which ADDers possess turns into profound disadvantages in the world which we are programmed to overcome - and we note ADDers turning into the worst offenders (standard addictive behaviour)
- but it's not because we're born of inferior genetic material

- it's that we're born of evolutionarily more efficient blue-print from the perspective of survival.

Evolution seeks to maximise survival.

Could evolution have known that man would generate sophisticated methods of injecting hfcs trans-fat laden MSG encrusted salt-filled saturated fat and cholesterol endowed doughnuts into our blood stream.

Why did we do it ?

Because of the stress (opioid effects of a 50% fat/sugar diet) of living in a sub-human society.
Western society.

Where people strive towards doing most harm.

Insist on money to survive, and make only the most ignorant zombies succeed in the workplace - and society enriches for ignorant zombies at the 'managerial' level and beyond.

Certainly from my experience - the higher one seems to progress up the ladder - the more psychopathic one becomes.

Just feeding the addictive reward system.

An alcoholic just ants their alcohol.
A money/power person just wants their money/power.
A heroin addict just wants their heroin.
A sugar addict just wants their sugar.

The Western society is BUILT on addiction - and it's therefore of no surprise that it's falling apart.

SB_UK
05-15-14, 03:56 AM
Starvation metabolite α-ketoglutarate extends lifespan by inhibiting ATP synthase and TOR

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature13264.html

Endogenous α-KG levels are increased on starvation α-KG is a key metabolite that mediates longevityhttp://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature13264.html

3 day fasts aren't too difficult <- this is around the optimal period with exercise included.
Any longer - have this feeling based on experience that we slow down.
Personal experience also - it is MUCH easier to fast when the sun is shining AND you're in it - appetite suppression through UVB [papers referenced elsewhere].

Anything that extends life obviously is a cure for ALL diseases - since all diseases are being halted to extend life.

Increased longevity is the single most important research area (consequently) in medicine - as it trumps all-comers.

SB_UK
05-15-14, 08:10 AM
Eating has become a pastime to handle the stress of Western living.
And the sensitive get to pay the price with extreme levels of disease kicking off shortly after birth.

It's switching cells from growth mode which is associated with cancer and ageing, into maintenance mode which is associated with good health and longevity.

growth (GH/IGF/insulin + protein/carb) -> maintenance (fat - aerobic respiration)

Stop feeding growth or you hurry your limited regeneration program into premature death.

ADDers = Thrifty gene.

Increased longevity - lower calorific intake required.
Strongly evolutionarily selected.

Break under psych stress / Break under inappropriate food consumption.

Max longevity as long as the rules are followed - which'll be fasting (routine 3 day I'm guessing), CR (pretty much ditch any item with high GI or fast metabolized protein leaving vegan protein), aerobic exercise, MUFA/PUFA-raw veganism ideally (high fat, low protein, no high GI carbs).

The basic pattern is -

growth = carbs/protein
vs
maintenance/metabolism = fat

However - very hard to do when blood glucose is being spiked through cortisol (psych stress) or diet (hfcs enriched treacle tart consumption).

Special note re:fructose eg 'fat switch' ie prevention of usage and predisposition towards laying down - upon particularly fructose consumption. (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/18/fructose-and-the-fat-switch.aspx)