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Kunga Dorji
05-09-14, 03:12 AM
The later phases of this history need more expansion- but the following gives a degree of background as to the evolution of the concept of ADHD.

Hippocrates described a condition that seems to be
compatible with what we now know as ADHD.


He described patients who had....

"quickened responses to sensory experience, but also less tenaciousness because the soul moves on quickly to the next impression".
Hippocrates attributed this condition to an "overbalance of fire over water".
His remedy for this "overbalance" was "barley rather than wheat bread, fish rather than meat, water drinks, and many natural and diverse physical activities"

From Hippocrates: Aphorisms.

translation:

The Genuine Works of Hippocrates, Adams F (ed) 1849

Melchior Adam Weikard
In 1775, Melchior Adam, a prominent German physician, published the textbook Der Philosophische Arzt Weikard's text contained a description of ADHD-like behaviours, Weikard described many of the symptoms now associated with the inattentive dimension of ADHD in the DSM For instance, according to the English translation provided by Barkley and Peters, Weikard stated that:




"An inattentive person won’t remark anything but will be shallow everywhere. He studies his matters only superficially; his judgements are erroneous and he misconceives the worth of things because he does not spend enough time and patience to search a matter individually or by the piece with the adequate accuracy. Such people only hear half of everything; they memorize or inform only half of it or do it in a messy manner. According to a proverb they generally know a little bit of all and nothing of the whole....They are mostly reckless, often copious considering imprudent projects, but they are also most inconstant in execution. They treat everything in a light manner since they are not attentive enough to feel denigration or disadvantages."
According to Weikard, the treatment recommended was:


"The inattentive person is to be separated from the noise or any other objects; he is to be kept solitary, in the dark, when he is too active. The easily agile fibres are to be fixated by rubbing, cold baths, steel powder,cinchona , mineral waters, horseback riding, and gymnastic exercises."

Alexander Crichton (Scottish physician 1763-1856) was
was the second person to describe a condition similar to the inattentive subtype of (ADHD), in his book An inquiry into the nature and origin of mental derangement: comprehending a concise system of the physiology and pathology of the human mind and a history of the passions and their effects (1798)


"The incapacity of attending with a necessary degree of constancy to any one object, almost always arises from an unnatural or morbid sensibility of the nerves, by which means this faculty is incessantly withdrawn from one impression to another. It may be either born with a person, or it may be the effect of accidental diseases."When born with a person it becomes evident at a very early period of life, and has a very bad effect, inasmuch as it renders him incapable of attending with constancy to any one object of education. But it seldom is in so great a degree as totally to impede all instruction; and what is very fortunate, it is generally diminished with age." (p. 271)
Crichton further observed:


"In this disease of attention, if it can with propriety be called so, every impression seems to agitate the person, and gives him or her an unnatural degree of mental restlessness. People walking up and down the room, a slight noise in the same, the moving of a table, the shutting a door suddenly, a slight excess of heat or of cold, too much light, or too little light, all destroy constant attention in such patients, inasmuch as it is easily excited by every impression." (p. 272)
Crichton noted that



"they have a particular name for the state of their nerves, which is expressive enough of their feelings. They say they have the fidgets.'" (p. 272) .



Dr. Crichton suggested that these children needed special educational intervention and noted that it was obvious that they had a problem attending even how hard they did try.




"Every public teacher must have observed that there are many to whom the dryness and difficulties of the Latin and Greek grammars are so disgusting that neither the terrors of the rod, nor the indulgence of kind entreaty can cause them to give their attention to them." (p 278)



Both Melchior Adam Weikard and Alexander Crichton wrote about the occupationally disabling features of this disorder, including attentional problems, restlessness, early onset, and how it can affect schooling, without any of the moralism introduced by George Still and later authors.



Defective Moral Control
(1902)
Restlessness Syndrome
(1920s)
Post Encephalitic Behaviour Disorder
(1920s-1930s)
Brain-Injured Child
(1940s)
Minimal Brain Damage
(1950s)
Minimal Brain Dysfunction
(1960s–1970s)
Hyperactive Child Syndrome or Hyperkinetic Reaction of Childhood
(1960s)
Attention Deficit Disorder With orWithout Hyperactivity
(1980)
Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder &
Undifferentiated Attention Deficit Disorder
(1987)
Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder
Three Subtypes:
Predominantly Inattentive
Predominantly Hyperactive Impulsive
Combined Types
(1999)

Kunga Dorji
05-09-14, 05:59 AM
Now for comment 1:
To all the ADHD skeptics out there note that the fantasy that ADHD is a fiction cooked up by a gang of stooges of the pharmaceutical industry is untenable in the light of the accounts from Hippocrates and from Crichton and from Weikard.
These three accounts predate any formalised pharmaceutical lobby.

The "Defective Moral Control", Restlessness Syndrome, and Post Encephalitic Syndrome also predate any possible influence of the drug cartel as none of these 3 syndromes had any proposed pharmaceutical solution attached to them-- and in any case Pharma did not have the stranglehold on conventional health care that it then had.

Kunga Dorji
05-09-14, 08:11 AM
Re Alexander Crichton:
read from p254

"On Attention, and its diseases"

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=XlRJAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Pure gold

ADHD denialism ---pig's a*#e.

SB_UK
05-09-14, 09:59 AM
The problem with an interconnected reality is that it's impossible to solve a problem without taking into account all information.
A mind like that (Systems) will never function in standard (Molecular) context - because it'll see the artificial nature of regarding anything without respect to all other things.
It's impossible for a computer to integrate at that level - but very easy for us - as we engage cognitive dissonance to identify any logical inconsistencies within our own behaviour.

So - it might be more humane to kill prisoners of war quickly (Molecular Morality)
- but what's more moral is the elimination of war, prisoners (Systems Morality).

The Molecular Moral are immoral to Systems Morality.

Noting, once again, that none of Systems perspective is slowly and meticulously pored over - it's just the modus operandi of particularly our types of mind.

Amtram
05-09-14, 10:05 AM
http://i.imgur.com/r1hCju4.jpg (http://imgur.com/r1hCju4)

I think there may be some upsides to treatment with medication, though.

SB_UK
05-09-14, 10:27 AM
"overbalance of fire over water". over-stimulation over over-narcosis

Over-stimulation.

If we equate stimulation to stress ie the extreme sports people who use extreme stress as stimulation.

Then that's over distress - which will lead to cortisol and SNS resistance syndromes.

--- Solution ---
Eliminate distressful stimulation to allow set-point to be re-set and remain in that place.

From the perspective of education/work - the major take-home would be don't bore people to tears by using the primitive reward system (the prospect of money,power) to over-ride morality.
Yeah - become a doctor, dentist, vet and you'll make loadsa' money and nobody'll catch you if you profiteer - make a mistake as any extra charges made can be put down to clinical discretion.

My point being that we need to eliminate the entire field of healthcare (little will remain) - and introduce a way of living which doesn't result in such high levels of disease to human beings and pets.

Low sugar/starch for pets too ???

mctavish23
05-09-14, 10:34 AM
Awesome thread. Thanks.

tc

Robert

PS

At the risk of displaying my own science "geekdom," I recently re-read

Crichton for the 3rd time :D

Dizfriz
05-09-14, 10:34 AM
Reasons for admission,

Some of these were great. A few of my favorites so far

Laziness, Marriage of son, Imaginary female trouble, Novel reading, Over study of religion, Bad habits and political excitement, Uterine derangement, Gathering in the head, Hard study, Tobacco and masturbation and Salvation Army. So many to choose from.

Too bad they didn't have a DSM from that time, it would have been a hoot.

Thanks for posting it.

addthree
05-09-14, 10:59 AM
According to this list 99% of the population would be committed.
Very funny

SB_UK
05-09-14, 11:05 AM
Benefits to medication ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/10813366/I-almost-ended-up-like-Peaches-but-there-is-a-way-out.html


As a child of the 70s, I had undiagnosed dyslexia and ADHD (this was later confirmed by a psychiatrist when I was in my thirties).
I self-medicated with heroin for many years.

Prevents self-medication.

But there's a better way.

We either give rats in tower blocks morphine or we re-house them in the country ?

Giving rats morphine will probably prevent all manner of other unpleasant drug-seeking behaviour - but it isn't (by a long way) the ideal solution.

ginniebean
05-09-14, 11:33 AM
Awesome thread. Thanks.

tc

Robert

PS

At the risk of displaying my own science "geekdom," I recently re-read

Crichton for the 3rd time :D

Get your geek on babe!

Amtram
05-09-14, 02:29 PM
My point being that we need to eliminate the entire field of healthcare (little will remain)



Yep. Eliminate it so we can go back to the good old days as depicted in that image.

Amtram
05-09-14, 02:35 PM
Fortunately, the more we study something, the better informed we become about it. If things progress in their current direction, ADHD will have yet a different name - or none at all - as the understanding allows us to more effectively tease out and address individual symptoms. And their locations. No more medications that attach to every single synapse in the brain but only the synapses in a single area that are having a problem. Neuroprosthetics that work like pacemakers and don't have the side effects of medications. They're actually experimenting with these things now, but they're a long way off from human clinical trials. Oh, well. Future generations.

Abi
05-09-14, 02:40 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Kicked in head by horse.

I can't stop laughing at this

Abi
05-09-14, 03:00 PM
Asthma? Bad whiskey? I live on bad whiskey :lol:

ginniebean
05-09-14, 03:01 PM
Abi, you and me... to the asylum now!

ginniebean
05-09-14, 03:07 PM
This list is from a time when eugenics was highly favoured. It was a means of ensuring undesirables were removed from society who had not committed a crime.

Sadly for the eugenicists Hitler came along and gave them a bad name. There are still people who promote eugenics as regards the disabled. It's only amusing because it isn't threatening (yet)

I wonder what deranged masturbation is. The deranged part of course. Maniac laughter or holding a conversation about the weather with Strangers during?

Abi
05-09-14, 03:24 PM
Yeah, but they locked people up for vanilla, presumably un-deranged masturbation as well...?

ginniebean
05-09-14, 03:51 PM
I don't know. At one time you could pay for a family member to stay locked up

Kunga Dorji
05-09-14, 10:15 PM
Awesome thread. Thanks.

tc

Robert

PS

At the risk of displaying my own science "geekdom," I recently re-read

Crichton for the 3rd time :D

I am reading him for the first time right now. I love it that you can get the whole book on google books- as free access. That is a real service to humanity.

He writes very lucidly.

Kunga Dorji
05-09-14, 10:18 PM
http://i.imgur.com/r1hCju4.jpg (http://imgur.com/r1hCju4)

I think there may be some upsides to treatment with medication, though.

I think it is just possible you may have a point there :)
What SB is proposing is more powerful as a preventive measure, I am sure.

Kunga Dorji
05-09-14, 10:25 PM
Fortunately, the more we study something, the better informed we become about it. If things progress in their current direction, ADHD will have yet a different name - or none at all - as the understanding allows us to more effectively tease out and address individual symptoms. And their locations. No more medications that attach to every single synapse in the brain but only the synapses in a single area that are having a problem. Neuroprosthetics that work like pacemakers and don't have the side effects of medications. They're actually experimenting with these things now, but they're a long way off from human clinical trials. Oh, well. Future generations.

You know, us mindfulness practitioners know that we are really in the business of custom made, DIY neuroprosthetics.
The evidence on the positive neuroplastic benefits of targeted mindfulness training really is too vast to go into here, but it is in.

The issue really is - how to effectively help individuals implement it.

I will say that when I started on the mindfulness path-- the evidence was not in - at least not in Western scientific magazines to the extent that it is now.

My choice here was that there was no significant evidence of harm- and enough evidence of potential benefit for me to make the effort of sitting down, getting on my backside and doing it.

Sometimes we have to throw caution to the wind and just do it- evidence or not. Those of us who do this have the privelege of finding the gold - rather than tagging along to worked out fields, scrabbling for the leftover discoveries.

Kunga Dorji
05-09-14, 10:33 PM
Another useful observation that emerges from this history is the association with post encephalitic syndrome in the 1920s (post the Spanish flu epidemic) with ADHD symptomatology.

What might not be known to all you out there is that that epidemic was also associated with a later epidemic of Parkinson's disease.

This is of great relevance, as an association has been made from time to time between high dose amphetamine use and Parkinson's disease.

My gut feeling has always been that the amphetamine use was a marker for undiagnosed ADHD, and that both the ADHD and the Parkinson's were secondary events caused by an unknown third element.

Now the work I have been doing on the association of ADHD with upper cervical birth injuries is relevant here, as there is an increasing body of evidence here to suggest that Parkinson's disease may be another secondary consequence of a malaligned first cervical vertebra. This is still an emerging field of knowledge, so it cannot be taken as proven--- but I reckon one would have to be a bit silly not to check it out:
commercial link removed - not allowed as per guidelines; replaced with PDF attached below

However-- the main point is that I really doubt that there is a direct causal link between mindful use of stimulants and Parkinson's Disease- and I think that this association with post encephalitic syndrome is one small piece of evidence that can be adduced to support this argument.

Kunga Dorji
05-09-14, 10:40 PM
An additional item of interest here- arising directly from the now long historyof observation of ADHD:

Hippocrates and the 18th Century German physician Melchior Adam Weikard specifically recommend varied exercise as a part of the management of the problem. More recently Dr John Ratey a world leading expert on ADHD has also advocated exercise for ADHD as well- with the emphasis on varied and stimulating exercise.

All of this is completely consistent with my own observations that attention and executive function involve neurological pathways related to the regulation of movement.It is also consistent with the observations of the team working with the German Orthopedic surgeon Heiner Biedermann that upper cervical spinal malalignments so complicate the processing of sensory input data and execution of motor control as to overload working memory- thus leading to a behavioural syndrome indistinguishable from ADHD.

It is also consistent with my own personal observations that sensory and motor integration exercises provided by kinesiologists, by chiropractors specialising in functional neurology, and most recently through Reinhardt Flatishler's Ta Ke Ti Na rhythm meditation process and through the practice of Qi Gong have provided the most marked improvements in my own function.


The additional observation that horse riding is of value also intrugues me-- as the phenomenon of cardiorespiratory entrainment between horse and rider is now well studied and proven. In fact I specifically use a biofeedback tool called emWave to help entrain myself in that balanced state of cardiorespiratory coherence that arises when a familiar horse and rider pair work together.

The practice of training in the skill of cardiorespiratory coherence has been an integral part of high level athletic training for decades- and it is proven that being in this state is effectively a form of cognitive enhancement.

Dizfriz
05-10-14, 07:55 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Kicked in head by horse.

I can't stop laughing at this
I know it sound funny but horse kicks can result in serious brain damage in which some sort of institutionalizing might be justified.

Most don't think of it a horse kick in this way but it does happen and can be serious so I think this one could be legitimate.

Dizfriz

SB_UK
05-10-14, 08:15 AM
So - there're multiple silly explanations for admission into an insane asylum above

- however there're story after story appearing these days (http://newstalk870.am/psychopaths-are-more-successful-in-life-says-expert-author-what/) which equate psychopathy with success in a monetary-based economy.

Note the connection of psychopathy to egotism on the list.

It's beginning to look as though the people who're successful (psychopathic) are the ones who should be locked up - and the people who're actually being locked up are driven into whatever behaviour they're accused of - through self-medication in handling the stress of living a life which is subservient to a psychopathic ruling class.

People will pursue stress-relief (be it treacle tarts to extreme sport - whatever's available) to handle stress
- but it isn't logical to assume that individuals pursue self-harm (drugs, criminal behaviour) unless it's being reactively driven by (in the very vast majority of cases) an unequal society.

The evolutionary process which places survival as its highest ideal - just isn't going to impart death (self-harm) as an aspiration.

SB_UK
05-10-14, 08:34 AM
Can't we simply see mindfulness, exercise, rhythm training as simply fixing an EEG which sits at the interface of alpha and theta EEG ?

Theta EEG appears to be the freq. of creativity.
Alpha EEG appears to be the frequency of relaxation.

The interface between the two is 8 Hz.

8 Hz is the principal node of the Schumann resonance.

If we see the mind as being a waveform on the Schumann resonance - then it might make sense that we'd be optimally set when recording an EEG which gently switches between theta and alpha rhythm
- noting that 4/4 music signature - ie 4 beats per bar at a tempo of 60 bpm would erpresent brain entrainment to the interface between alpha and theta EEG ?

SB_UK
05-10-14, 08:40 AM
Longshot ... ...

A British band and a group of scientists have made the most relaxing tune in the history of man, an Mp3 of which is at the bottom of this article.A continuous rhythm of 60 BPM causes the brainwaves and heart rate to synchronise with the rhythm: a process known as ‘entrainment’. http://www.shortlist.com/entertainment/music/scientists-discover-most-relaxing-tune-ever

Let's try it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMmMNyTwePY&list=PLcfm_5eQtuDdPEKLXPRDCNzSSjBkf1KV2

The problem I have is that we're trying to hit the sweet point between stimulant and narcotic ie balance between the SNS/PNS
-- maybe that'd arise as we hit a very precise EEG which lies at the precise junction between wake and sleep ie at 8 Hz ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances
around 7.83 (fundamental) Hz
Extremely similar to Ulrich Schnauss and Tycho - both on my playlist.

-*-

Certainly if the goal is to complete mind ie hit that specific EEG
- then it would be deeply relaxing - as it arrives with a simultaneous disconnection of distress.
IE the role of distress was to get us to this point of mind - with distress alleviation comes deep relaxation.

-*-

Chillout zone, aerobic zone - all pointing to the EEG freq which we're gifted into
- and 're required to leave in order to do something pointlessly illogical in nonADD dumbo world
- where people court their own unhappiness by chasing money, power and other addictively destructive pastimes.

SB_UK
05-10-14, 09:28 AM
So - we've an overwhelming pattern suggesting theta / alpha transition as being optimal.
Let's define that as the optimal state of mind.

We can combine that optimal setting with what we know about physiology and connect it to optimal physiological parameters (blood glucose, pH, ion conc., temp)
- and the combination represents a single set-point in physical and psychological parameters - deviation away from which is not to be encouraged.

A perfect physiological/psychological set-point reflecting the promised land within.

Requirement - completion of mind (wisdom) so we eat to physiological optimal parameters and so we no longer have questions (a quiescent mind) which is happy to reside silent within the alpha/theta EEG interface.

This is a portal into the collective mind - ie we adopt a mind is globally consistent with all other minds - all other wavelengths carried on the Schumann waveform.

So - morality (a form of mind, mind state wisdom) translates down to (with loss of primitive reward system ie growth - attraction to blood glucose elevation, salt, animal protein)
- to (in effect) - the promisedd land within - a place without duality - since we're fixed at only 1 set-point
- no longer fluctuate up or down.

To be considered in synchrony with fundamental substance - or to die and go to Heaven before dying and going to Heaven
- the end of samsara - since the spirit which pervades this complete phenomonological non-dualistic state is able to dissipate back into the state of fundamental substance which existed prior to the Big Bang ie moksha/liberation from material existence upon transcending duality (pleasure/pain duality) - upon actual death.

It's all about freedom.
We can secure freedom whilst we're alive.
And thereafter there's a smooth transition into freedom - the original state of fundamental substance which occurs immediately prior to the Big Bang forcing an evolutionary progression in fundamental substance via cyclical resonance (frame of boson) into structures of increasing complexity within phenomenological reality - through fielding sequential insulated abstraction layers - ie each time a new layer is begun - previous layers may be discounted - it all becomes about completion of the current evolutionary layer
- where ours is simply to develop/adhere to a globally logically consistent model of human context.

Requiring a redefintiion of society into one in which there is no hierarchy in material world factors of money,power - or an equal society supported by a technological anarchy.

SB_UK
05-10-14, 10:01 AM
"quickened responses to sensory experience, but also less tenaciousness because the soul moves on quickly to the next impression".

"Are you familiar with those types of people who seem to crave stimulation, yet have a hard time staying with any one focus for a period of time? They may hop from career to career and sometimes even from relationship to relationship, never seeming to settle into one job or into a life with one person — but the whole time they remain incredibly creative and inventive." See more at: http://www.printfriendly.com/print/?source=site&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thomhartmann.com%2Fforum%2F20 10%2F07%2Fadhd-disordered-minds-or-old-souls

So what is ADHD ?

Fast track to enlightenment through possession of a mind which is more akin to a jigsaw which self-assembles (ADDer), as opposed to a jigsaw which must be assembled (nonADD).

We can't pay attention to anything which doesn't assemble the mind to completion (enlightenment) - simply beause we've no ability to accommodate any such information into our mind.

Boredom and lack of compliance results.

The basic question to ask is what should human beings pay attention to ?
The only valid answer to that is schemes which make life better for the species.

It's very clear that we live in a world where the collective good is not a priority
- through enforced moral consistency, the ADDer is here to save the day - unless disease takes the ADDer through self-medication into the furthest reaches of addiction - in which case the ADDer's disabled mind/reward system is not going to lead the individual to a happy place.

SB_UK
05-10-14, 10:32 AM
All things considered then - I don't think that there's anything wrong with ADDers - we're born into the ideal theta/alpha EEG interface - and can be as happy without anything particularly,
Until the distress of current existence ie dumped as children, forced to study relentlessly, compete for job security takes over - and a perfectly happy species given a simple Tolkien like simple existence turns into a living Hell

as we're forced to down heroin/amphetamine cocktails to dull the pain of living in a profoundly sick society.

No individual is any more special than the next - this is the premise of nonADD society ie for people to be better than others at any given task
- what a complete load of nonsense.

As if kicking a football harder than some other person, or being able to act a little better than average should catapult the individual into a place where they're considered more highly.

Why don't we all come up with some random activity and call ourselves world champions in it ('cos nobody else has ever had a go)
- and thereby we can all hold our heads up high and dine out with King Beckham and Lady Posh, as equally worthy members of the hierarchy - each to ourselves - world champions in our chosen discipline.

World's fastest 100m runner with Y fronts on your head appeals.

SB_UK
05-10-14, 10:58 AM
So why is the 100m race not 94 or 1.2 metres ?

Why isn't the football a diameter of 5 metres ?

Why isn't a rugby fall filled with a whoopee cushion so it makes a silly noise everytime someone catches it ?

Why isn't the javelin 10 times heavier than it actually is ?

Why don't tour de france riders all ride the same bike ?

Why aren't actors required to write the script they act in ?

Why aren't horseriders required to carry horses on their backs ?

Why aren't all people who bet and lose in a greyhound race forced to run round the track being chansed by a doberman who'll rip them apart ?

Why aren't people who drive expensive cars allowed to be decorated by children with indellible paint with pretty flowers and smiley faces ?

Why can't we walk up to people on the tube and cut their ridiculous ties in half with scissors ?

-*-

Nothing makes sense.

We're supposed to develop a society in which all people work together to make life as great as possible for all people.

And instead all we seem to do is generate female pop singers on heat with cosmetically enhanced buttocks who sing songs with lyrics which're so painfully vacuous that human brains dissolve when forced to consider the lack of meaning conveyed.

Though then again maybe it's nice to be able to sit on a wooden chair and not need a cushion.

SB_UK
05-10-14, 11:34 AM
A hypersexual society (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=mQjIAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6&dq=hypersexual+pop&source=bl&ots=KX48shbi41&sig=mCAH5O804H_nvdT-lfbi4h6D1oE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1kNuU_eYAYemO4C1gOAJ&ved=0CH8Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=hypersexual%20pop&f=false)
p.11 In the chapters that follow, we will explore all of these areas and their contribution to out hypersexual society.1. Progress to wisdom (development of morality) <- garden motif ascending Tree of knowledge of good/evil
2. Progress to pair-bond <- garden motif of Adam, Eve, temptation ie completing pair-bond
3. Optimised aerobic functioning (diet/exercise) <- garden motif of apple (fructose, sugar, starch and Insulin, growth trajectory, visceral fat deposition) ie completing growth trajectory - development of mind, wisdom - switch away from primitive reward strategy

vs.

The love/desire of money/power/sex/sedentary living/junk food/drugs/immoral practices (materialism)

Rather than suggest that one route is good and one route is bad -
the 'clean' route will result in a life without disease - whereas the addictive route will court disease.

Naturally - people get to make the decision of which route to follow
- but there isn't really any choice involved
- since allowing people the right to chase money/power (the world we live in currently) compromises the existence of all of those who aspire towards completing the evolutionary trajectory towards freedom from material desire.

Hierarchical society isn't compatible with Equality society
- we need as a species (and globally) to choose one or the other.

Where the choice is made through following the pattern of the evolutionary progression - the choice will be towards global equality / tech anarchy and an absence of power hierarchies exerting undue influence on individuals - preventing people from doing the right/moral thing.

Kunga Dorji
05-11-14, 07:45 PM
I don't know. At one time you could pay for a family member to stay locked up


That's not such a bad option you know :rolleyes:
Let me think-- who would be on my list?:D

Kunga Dorji
05-11-14, 07:49 PM
All things considered then - I don't think that there's anything wrong with ADDers - we're born into the ideal theta/alpha EEG interface - and can be as happy without anything particularly,
Until the distress of current existence ie dumped as children, forced to study relentlessly, compete for job security takes over - and a perfectly happy species given a simple Tolkien like simple existence turns into a living Hell

as we're forced to down heroin/amphetamine cocktails to dull the pain of living in a profoundly sick society.

No individual is any more special than the next - this is the premise of nonADD society ie for people to be better than others at any given task
- what a complete load of nonsense.

As if kicking a football harder than some other person, or being able to act a little better than average should catapult the individual into a place where they're considered more highly.

Why don't we all come up with some random activity and call ourselves world champions in it ('cos nobody else has ever had a go)
- and thereby we can all hold our heads up high and dine out with King Beckham and Lady Posh, as equally worthy members of the hierarchy - each to ourselves - world champions in our chosen discipline.

World's fastest 100m runner with Y fronts on your head appeals.

It is not really at that level that the co-ordination problems present an issue.
Personally, I am enjoying just being able to bend over to do housework without feeling nauseous, and being able to get around the house without breaking or dropping things all the time, or bashing myself into the corners of tables etc.

Being an uber athlete just aint on my do to list.

Kunga Dorji
05-11-14, 07:54 PM
See more at: http://www.printfriendly.com/print/?source=site&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thomhartmann.com%2Fforum%2F20 10%2F07%2Fadhd-disordered-minds-or-old-souls

So what is ADHD ?

Fast track to enlightenment through possession of a mind which is more akin to a jigsaw which self-assembles (ADDer), as opposed to a jigsaw which must be assembled (nonADD).

We can't pay attention to anything which doesn't assemble the mind to completion (enlightenment) - simply beause we've no ability to accommodate any such information into our mind.

Boredom and lack of compliance results.

The basic question to ask is what should human beings pay attention to ?
The only valid answer to that is schemes which make life better for the species.

It's very clear that we live in a world where the collective good is not a priority
- through enforced moral consistency, the ADDer is here to save the day - unless disease takes the ADDer through self-medication into the furthest reaches of addiction - in which case the ADDer's disabled mind/reward system is not going to lead the individual to a happy place.

What a lovely tie in-- sheer brilliance SB.

mctavish23
05-11-14, 08:32 PM
What's really amazing is that, even though he was writing over 200 years ago, some of

what he (Crichton) said, is remarkably close to what we believe today.

tc

Robert

Kunga Dorji
01-03-15, 02:03 AM
A little more can be found here:
http://www.adhd-brain.com/adhd-history.html
Quite a lot of detail from Still (1902) onwards.

HADDaball
01-03-15, 06:14 AM
Some interesting trivia:

First use of amphetamine to treat children was back in 1937:

Bradley, C. (1937). The behavior of children receiving benzedrine. American Journal of Psychiatry, 94(3), 577-585.

A paper on the history of ADHD:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3000907/pdf/12402_2010_Article_45.pdf

HADDaball
01-03-15, 06:24 AM
Why isn't the football a diameter of 5 metres ?


That would make some hilarious viewing. :) :)

Having a ball that big would be like watching ants play with a marble :D



Why isn't a rugby fall filled with a whoopee cushion so it makes a silly noise everytime someone catches it ?
Imagine the tackle sounds :D

OK .. who sharted ? :D

RobboW
01-03-15, 07:21 AM
I think past people who made big discoveries were ADD. People like Einstein, Da Vinci etc.

Faulty and brilliant. Able to be outside the "norm" to find the new.

So NT is to make the world run, ADD is to make new leaps.

I think there's so many ADD people now, it's like an epidemic but there's not enough room for us and we don't have a destiny, so just waste our lives trying to fit into NT parameters.

mildadhd
01-03-15, 05:17 PM
Based on the Polyvagal Theory, the development of the mammalian myelinated vagus is critical in the development of the face-heart connection, which links social behavior and autonomic regulation.

Thus, with more optimal vagal regulation, features of more adaptive social behavior emerge.

Without a functioning myelinated vagus, social behavior would be compromised and more primitive defensive strategies, such as fight-flight mobilization and tantrums (mediated by the sympathetic nervous system) and shutdown behaviors (mediated by the unmyelinated vagal system), would be more frequently expressed.

Clinically, the status of vagal myelination becomes critical for the newborn and the young infant as they attempt to engage and disengage the caregiver and to explore social reciprocity as a mechanism to regulate physiology and behavior.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3079208/?report=classic



p

Kunga Dorji
01-03-15, 06:09 PM
Some interesting trivia:

First use of amphetamine to treat children was back in 1937:

Bradley, C. (1937). The behavior of children receiving benzedrine. American Journal of Psychiatry, 94(3), 577-585.

A paper on the history of ADHD:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3000907/pdf/12402_2010_Article_45.pdf

Thanks for this.
That is a very nice paper.
It has taken quite a bit of chasing up to get specific information.
It is of interest that the historical aspect is still evolving.

Ie in this paper in 2010 there was no knowledge of Wiekard's work.
That was identified by a pharmacist from Brisbane (Australia) named John Gould. He forwarded an email to Russell Barkley in August 2011 and BArkley went on to seek a translation of it from the German.
(Wiekard's book is available on the internet just as is Crichton's book).

Barkley published a paper on it in 2011:

The Earliest Reference to ADHD in the Medical Literature? Melchior Adam Weikard’s Description in 1775 of “Attention Deficit” (Mangel der Aufmerksamkeit, Attentio Volubilis)
Russell A. Barkley and Helmut Peters2
Journal of Attention Disorders 16(8) 623–630 © 2012 SAGE Publications


Unfortunately Eastern medical traditions (specifically TCM and Ayurvedic) are much less precise and well referenced than this - because I do believe that Thom Hartmann's comments about ADHD individuals being regarded as "Old Souls" are reality based- and do reflect the understandings of the Ayurvedic tradition.

It should be possible to find information from these traditions- for instance I am aware that the Tibetan Medical tradition contains very old descriptions of illnesses that are well observed. However- that is not easy except for an expert.

HADDaball
01-04-15, 12:26 AM
^ Have you considered writing a paper?

Kunga Dorji
01-05-15, 04:58 AM
http://i.imgur.com/r1hCju4.jpg (http://imgur.com/r1hCju4)

I think there may be some upsides to treatment with medication, though.

Oh so do I Amtram.
That is why I prescribe the medication- and still use it when I need it.

I think you might have missed the point of my post though.
The real issue is the people who believe that ADHD is just something made up in order to sell medications.
If you look at the history I have written here you can see that the existence of ADHD clearly pre-dates the use of stimulants.
Therefore the "ADHD = a Big Pharma conspiracy" argument is formally refuted.
We are actually on the same side here.

I do like the list by the way- most of the presentations listed seem likely ADHD related.
Where did you get it?
It would be nice to have that one referenced.

TygerSan
01-05-15, 02:55 PM
I love the Bradley paper because the results were so unexpected. He was trying to treat the headaches caused by a pneumoencephalogram (involving x-rays and injection of air into the sinus cavities for better imaging, if I remember right. . . sounds incredibly painful), and realized that many of the boys were much more focused and able to attend.

Although not a scholarly account (though I've found it referenced in more than one article detailing the history of ADHD), one of my favorite early depictions of hyperactive behavior is Zappel Phillipp (http://germanstories.vcu.edu/struwwel/philipp_dual.html)(Fidgety-Phillip), followed by Johnny Look-in-the-air (http://germanstories.vcu.edu/struwwel/guck_dual.html) (inattention).

I will say given the gravity of some of the other tales of woe in the Struwelpeter book, I'm *really* glad I didn't live back then.

Kunga Dorji
01-07-15, 07:37 AM
^ Have you considered writing a paper?

I am working towards it.

A more up to date version of my History of ADHD article is kept up to date at this link:

https://atlassubluxation.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/the-history-of-adhd/

This blog is now starting to become so unwieldy that soon it will have to split off into a website covering the physical medicine and the ADHD side as 2 separate streams.

As it is - stuff is just being put in in order of date of production- so it is a little scrambled.

SB_UK
01-07-15, 11:44 AM
According to Weikard, the treatment recommended was:
“The inattentive person is to be separated from the noise or any other objects; he is to be kept solitary, in the dark, when he is too active. Yes - too much stimulation and silence (in the sun) required. Been noticing that when I'm too stimulated I zone out much much more intensely ie the desire to rebound back into the daydream state becomes overpowering.
Yes maybe silence in the dark upon stimulation - but in the absence of stimulation - simple existence in the sun in silence is desired.

SB_UK
01-07-15, 12:10 PM
Crichton further observed:
“In this disease of attention, if it can with propriety be called so, every impression seems to agitate the person, and gives him or her an unnatural degree of mental restlessness. People walking up and down the room, a slight noise in the same, the moving of a table, the shutting a door suddenly, a slight excess of heat or of cold, too much light, or too little light, all destroy constant attention in such patients, inasmuch as it is easily excited by every impression.”

That's it - need absolute silence.

SB_UK
01-07-15, 12:14 PM
If the ADDer is constantly being stimulated - it feels a bit like sleep torture -

now link (http://sleepjunkies.com/features/sleep-deprivation-and-torture-a-brief-history/)

Too funny - random link on sleep deprivation compares it to ADHD.

Well that's exactly it - stress from over-stimulation.

Ideal level of stimulation - NONE.

Our preferred state - theta EEG - state between sleep and wake.

SB_UK
01-07-15, 12:22 PM
I love the Bradley paper because the results were so unexpected. He was trying to treat the headaches caused by a pneumoencephalogram (involving x-rays and injection of air into the sinus cavities for better imaging, if I remember right. . . sounds incredibly painful), and realized that many of the boys were much more focused and able to attend.

Although not a scholarly account (though I've found it referenced in more than one article detailing the history of ADHD), one of my favorite early depictions of hyperactive behavior is Zappel Phillipp (http://germanstories.vcu.edu/struwwel/philipp_dual.html)(Fidgety-Phillip), followed by Johnny Look-in-the-air (http://germanstories.vcu.edu/struwwel/guck_dual.html) (inattention).

I will say given the gravity of some of the other tales of woe in the Struwelpeter book, I'm *really* glad I didn't live back then.

pseudoephedrine decongestant?
sleep disturbance through blocked airways ?

SB_UK
01-07-15, 12:43 PM
We're just required to adopt the parameters of an aerobic reaction ?

ie we're customized to aerobic functioning - can't work out low GI or low GI/ketosis -

ketosis is screaming at me - but people aren't going to like it.