View Full Version : YAY! Immunisation prevents deadly diseases!!!


MADD As A Hatte
08-22-14, 07:52 AM
:eek:Please consult your preferred doctor in relation to life & death important health issues like immunisation against Rubella, Mumps, Measles, Whooping Cough etc.

Check the immunisation schedule you were given at the early childhood clinic:

The thing is, in western societies, we don't live on isolated little farms any more. We haven't since the 1800's. So we all need to have a social conscience.

In dense communities, contagious diseases spread like wildfire. Some of these diseases kill children, who haven't yet built up their immunity, and the aged, who have decreased immune systems.

Please. Make up your own mind. But not here, not on the bloody ADD forum. We're not medico's.

Please, for god's sake, go somewhere responsible for reliable information.

End of rant.

SB_UK
08-22-14, 10:30 AM
Reliable information.

This steenkin' world don't have no reliable information.

I've just spent what seems like a lifetime for an ADDer (12 seconds) trying to work out whether I should give my dog a bone.

And NOBODY in the ENTIRE world knows.

Somebody has even suggested a Vet degree to identify the specific bones in specific animals at specific dates on specific diets which can be eaten and with precise cooking (or not) protocols before giving your dog a bone.

Yes a vet degree before giving your dog a bone.

Between you and me - NOBODY knows ANYTHING.

Abi
08-22-14, 10:33 AM
Between you and me - NOBODY knows ANYTHING.

Have you considered that perhaps you are projecting your own feelings onto "everyone"?

SB_UK
08-22-14, 11:07 AM
Have you considered that perhaps you are projecting your own feelings onto "everyone"?

No - nobody knows anything.

And the worst lot are the ones who think they know something.

All together now! I've wheeled this quote out enough times.

I KNOW THAT I KNOW NOTHING.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing

Lunacie
08-22-14, 11:10 AM
http://www.brainyquote.com/photos/b/benjaminspock100344.jpg

SB_UK
08-22-14, 11:13 AM
Now that guy (Platocrates) knew a thing or two.

Amtram
08-22-14, 01:20 PM
We know plenty about vaccine-preventable diseases. Get your shots. Get boosters for pertussis if you're a teen or adult. Get flu shots if you're in a medical profession or work closely with large groups of people (especially children, because they're more likely to get sick.)

SB_UK
08-22-14, 02:04 PM
We've a world FILLED with experts.

And a very popular idea which applies to all of them - all of the people who insist you listen to them -

http://content.mydamnchannel.com/datastore/videoimages/BedtimeStoriesTheEmperorsNewClothes094546.jpg

- is that none of them have any clothes on.

-*-

All you need is an equal society in which all people are motivated to do the best for the collective and you're there.

Hathor
08-22-14, 02:30 PM
No - nobody knows anything.

And the worst lot are the ones who think they know something.

All together now! I've wheeled this quote out enough times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing

I don't know if I know anything or not.

RUFF! RUFF!! RUFF!!! :confused: :)

http://pendragon343.com/BOTA/00.gif

But I know if it seems Bill Gates' education agenda is fishy (http://www.achieve.org/contributors) I should be leery of anything else he promotes as 'philanthropy'

or do I?

SB_UK
08-23-14, 02:30 AM
I don't know if I know anything or not.

RUFF! RUFF!! RUFF!!! :confused: :)

http://pendragon343.com/BOTA/00.gif

But I know if it seems Bill Gates' education agenda is fishy (http://www.achieve.org/contributors) I should be leery of anything else he promotes as 'philanthropy'

or do I?


What's there to know ?

You're on a countdown timer.
There's something that needs to be achieved in life so we can die as happy as Larry.
But for the life of us - even though there're clues everywhere - we have no idea what that is.
So we spend our time watching the Kardashian rearguard offence grow ever more pressing.

Apparently troops are being harvested by voracious doughnut consumption, and are being sequestered from the subcutaneous frontline into battle - by war weary army surgeons.
'We signed up to do good - and now look at us'

We're about to be (have you ever seen 'The Blob') swamped.

Abi
08-23-14, 02:54 AM
Moderator Note

Please stay on topic.

Thank you.

MADD As A Hatte
08-23-14, 06:06 AM
We know plenty about vaccine-preventable diseases. Get your shots.

Get boosters for pertussis if you're a teen or adult.

Get flu shots if you're in a medical profession or work closely with large groups of people (especially children, because they're more likely to get sick.)

Check with your doctor about what you need for your current age and your current stage of life.

Flu shots about ten weeks BEFORE the first day of your winter can be a good idea, in my experience, especially to avoid time off work that you can't afford.

Cheers

Lunacie
08-23-14, 10:04 AM
I should look into getting the pneumonia vaccine.
Even though her vaccine should have still provided some coverage,
my youngest granddaughter had to be hospitalized with pneumonia last summer
- yes, summer. She was 11 then.

My oldest granddaughter and I both had bronchitis this summer. She's 16.

Wonder what it costs at Walgreen's? I have no health insurance.

SB_UK
08-23-14, 10:07 AM
If top quality academics with elongated foreheads prove that chronic stress leads to increased susceptibility to infectious disease (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ColdandFluNews/chronic-stress-feeds-common-cold-study-finds/story?id=16054304) - then wouldn't it be useful if we just ensured that life was a party with the option (just the option) to bin all immunizations if we discovered that a strong immune system in a moral (hygienic) society that looks after our vegetables and doesn't breed animals for consumption might be enough.

Vaccination is a tough one.
It technically falls under prevention - but we do assail the immune system (see KD and cytokine storm) when we ask it to flex its muscles.

Would be nice not to bother - but as ever the merits of certain (otherwise unnecessary (procedures may be positive in a negative society ie it's probably good to have a local policeman when your life (in consumerist society) is a neverending stream of theft (not that anything has ever been recovered! in our case) - but if we could change society so nobody steals - well wouldn't that be peachy

- with the on topic point being (trigger happy moderators take note!!) - that it'd be nice if we were to find that a clever clean lovely toasty smooth society didn't need any such interventions.

Just man/woman + education delivering a sense of right/wrong + sun (and associated veggies/electricity) till death do us part.

Lunacie
08-23-14, 10:11 AM
The point is ... that we don't live in such a society and immunization and vaccines can be life saving.

SB_UK
08-23-14, 10:14 AM
Basically, the Network hatches a plan to spread a disease that will infect the entire country but they have a vaccine already to distribute. The vaccine however is worse than the disease as it turns out to only work on those deemed worthy enough to survive. I'm not too sure I've come across any human being that's worthy enough to survive.

There might be one or two - but if worthy they would have been driven insane or to suicide (http://livebyquotes.com/2012/i-used-to-think-the-worst-thing-in-life-was-to-end-up-all-alone-its-not-the-worst-thing-in-life-is-to-end-up-with-people-who-make-you-feel-all-alone-robin-williams/) by now.

Individuals who derive reward from doing something worthwhile (moral) as opposed to injecting their neighbours with killer microbes or killer vaccines.

All you need is an equal society in which all people are motivated to do the best for the collective and you're there.

SB_UK
08-23-14, 10:19 AM
The point is ... that we don't live in such a society and immunization and vaccines can be life saving.

We will soon and you know what ... ... ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SAbJjktk7E

Except (obviously) Lunacie's presentation reveals the metaphorical potato in the room.

SB_UK
08-23-14, 10:28 AM
If we take the disease of the moment ... ...

But experts say the [ebola] outbreak is [...] being fueled by poverty and poor governance.http://www.voanews.com/content/poverty-helps-fuel-ebola-experts-say/1970096.html

ďAll of the large outbreaks of Ebola or its sister virus, Marburg, happen in places where social and political unrest over the years have decimated the public health system," he said.

SB_UK
08-23-14, 10:35 AM
Core problem in our society.

If something goes wrong people (generally stinky public sector politicians or equivalently stinky private sector corporations) think to themselves 'How can I benefit ?'

"Based on published trials and the conventional wisdom, we thought Tamiflu prevents complications, prevents hospitalizations and is especially good in the vulnerable populations, but we didn't find support for any of that," said Mark Ebell, associate professor of epidemiology in the UGA College of Public Health.

Roche First-Quarter Revenue Rises on U.S. Tamiflu Sales

MADD As A Hatte
08-23-14, 11:10 AM
If top quality academics with elongated foreheads ...
Vaccination is a tough one. ... Would be nice not to bother - ...
- the on topic point being ..
Just man/woman + education delivering a sense of right/wrong + sun (and associated veggies/electricity) till death do us part.

From the top, mate:

I am currently at university, elongating my forehead.
- By the time I get to 4th year Honours, when I have half-way turned myself into a "top quality academic", when my forehead is appropriately elongated to reflect my accumulation of wanky High Distinctions, I shall no doubt sentimentally miss the always-surprising and truly-lovely moments in supermarkets, when people stop me and ask if I'm Ms Hepburn's grand-daughter. But I shall live with weird elongated facial ugliness for the sake of science. I'm sure AH would posthumously concur.

- Vaccination is only a tough one for people who think they're a little bit spesh. The rest of us endure being stuck with a needle, and accept that we live in industrialised non-agrarian societies, stuffed into the suburbs, cheek by jowl, and we therefore have a social responsibility, on some basic issues, to take a "greater good" perspective.

Next ... let me go back up and check ... hmmmm ... the on topic point ... sorry sport, can't see where you actually got on topic ..

Man/woman something or other, was your next point ... something about a sense of right / wrong ...
- I don't know what goes on in polite society nowadays, maybe people who are infected with contagious sexually transmitted disease e.g. chlamydia, are responsible with their sexual behaviours. They weren't back in my day, when the girls I knew, who were having a gay old time, were galloping about, having lots of illicit fun.

Papilloma virus. Look it up, sport. In the meantime, please, do not whack on about vegetables and sunshine and education and a sense of right and wrong.

By your logic, everyone who had a cold would stay inside until they got over it; everyone who had ebola virus would stay inside until they died or got over it; everyone who had HIV/AIDS would stay inside and not shag anyone until they got over it. Everyone who had .... would .... until ...

The difficulty with your perspective on human behaviour is some people who think they're a bit special DO NOT take responsibility for their contagious diseases, and they spread them. So that's one reason we need vaccination programmes.

Another reason for vaccination is that perfectly innocent people who are infected with contagious diseases, but don't yet know it, wander about the town spreading their germs. Can't blame them, such is life. But being ignorant or uninformed doesn't help in societies where the population is very dense, and where individual mobility (e.g. people moving around on public transport) is very high.

My apologies. Someone else in ADDF land might be better able to articulate what I'm trying to say. It's way past the witching hour. Tomorrow's Sunday. I have university assignments to write.

Swwoooosh, she flicks a strand of hair off her gradually-elongating forehead. I must away and iron my capri pants, ready for the morrow. And check the Vespa for oil.

SB_UK
08-23-14, 11:53 AM
Papilloma virus.

a strain of HPV which you have already been exposed to. It is possible for the strain to reactivate (because of stress)

Just plucked offa' the Interwotsit.

Amtram
08-23-14, 12:36 PM
Pathogens really don't care about morality. Many of them don't even care about personal hygiene. They don't discriminate by gender, ethnicity, social or economic class. They don't care if you eat well and exercise; they don't care if you're "healthy" and haven't been infected by other unrelated bacteria or viruses. They're opportunistic little buggers that will enter any old human body they encounter using their preferred mode of transmission, and will blithely infect those bodies unless they're stopped by an immune system that recognizes them and already has a defense against them. There's really no question or doubt about this.