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mildadhd
09-14-14, 09:36 PM
Which of the following are primarily genetic, basic unconditioned emotional response systems, originating in the lower sub cortex brain stem area?

SEEKING system
FEAR system
RAGE system
LUST system
CARE system
GRIEF/PANIC system
PLAY system








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mildadhd
09-14-14, 11:11 PM
The relevant lines of evidence are as follows:


1) It is easy to elicit powerful unconditioned emotional responses using localized electrical stimulation of the brain (ESB); these effects are concentrated in ancient subcortical brain regions.

Seven types of emotional arousals have been described; using a special capitalized nomenclature for such primary process emotional systems, they are SEEKING, RAGE, FEAR, LUST, CARE, PANIC/GRIEF and PLAY.


2) These brain circuits are situated in homologous subcortical brain regions in all vertebrates tested.

Thus, if one activates FEAR arousal circuits in rats, cats or primates, all exhibit similar fear responses.


3) All primary-process emotional-instinctual urges, even ones as complex as social PLAY, remain intact after radical neo-decortication early in life; thus, the neocortex is not essential for the generation of primary-process emotionality.


4) Using diverse measures, one can demonstrate that animals like and dislike ESB of brain regions that evoke unconditioned instinctual emotional behaviors: Such ESBs can serve as ‘rewards’ and ‘punishments’ in diverse approach and escape/avoidance learning tasks.


5) Comparable ESB of human brains yield comparable affective experiences.

Thus, robust evidence indicates that raw primary-process (i.e., instinctual, unconditioned) emotional behaviors and feelings emanate from homologous brain functions in all mammals (see Appendix S1), which are regulated by higher brain regions.

Such findings suggest nested-hierarchies of BrainMind affective processing, with primal emotional functions being foundational for secondary-process learning and memory mechanisms, which interface with tertiary-process cognitive-thoughtful functions of the BrainMind.


Cross-Species Affective Neuroscience Decoding of the Primal Affective Experiences of Humans and Related Animals (http://www.ploscollections.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0021236;jsessi onid=AD13490132E599FB6413BDA3EB45FF87)

mildadhd
09-16-14, 12:27 PM
(approx 13:15)...we have over ten thousand research papers on this disorder as well,

but one of the things we haven't spoken about since the 1960's,

but now that we are coming back to,

is that ADHD is just as much a disorder of emotion,

as it is a hyperactivity,

inhibition,

distraction,

and concentration.

People with ADHD are very impulsive in displaying there emotions,

so that there emotions come up to quickly to raw,

to unmoderated,

as a result of that they are often accused of being socially and emotionally immature,

now this is not a mood disorder,

their moods are not irrational,

it is simply a disorder in which they can't regulate the emotions that other people can,

the top down executive control over normal emotion just isn't there,

to the degree that it should be.

Now the reason we are so convinced that emotion needs to be put back into adhd,

is because this set of symptoms account for many of the impairments that can't be explained by the more traditional symptoms of the disorder...(approx. 14:25)


( approx 14:41))....when things provoke you and upset you,

if you have ADHD your emotions are up and out and the damage is done before you had a chance to get any traction,

over moderating this,

and bringing your emotions to be more consistent with the situation,

and with your long term welfare,

so we are now realizing and many papers have been written,

are making this case that ADHD is just as much a problem of impulsive emotions as it is with impulsive behavior,

impulsive cognition and impulsive speech.

And it explains a lot about these individuals,

not the least of which is of course,

there social difficulties.

But it is also one of the best predictors,

of there driving problems,

there finacial problems,

there marital problems,

there child rearing problems,

and it is one of the main reasons,

why they will be fired from a job,

four times more often,

than other people are likely to do.

You don't get fired because your distractable,

but you will get fired,

if you are angry with a customer,

and if you blow up and are impatient,

and easily frustrated,

so this is a domain of ADHD that is often under appreciated,

but is now being put back into our models,

and theories and explanations of the disorder.( approx. 15:50)

-Dr.Russell Barkley


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUQu-OPrzUc

SB_UK
09-16-14, 03:08 PM
Why can't emotional dysregulation be secondary to chronic distress ?

Emotional regulation and stress
(http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10804-010-9114-7#page-1)
It's easy to see how stress 'd knock out emotional regulation.
It's harder to see how a type with emotional regulation problems 'd arise as the primary defect.

It has to be secondary.

If emotional regulation issues (ie incapacity to react with appropriate emotions) was the core issue in ADHD then I don't know how you'd fix it.

As far as I can see (through the eyes of ADHD) - there's nothing really wrong with ADDers - and EVERYTHING wrong with the environment we're meant to exist within.

SB_UK
09-16-14, 03:15 PM
What distresses the ADDer?

forced participation in behaviours which don't reward.

What rewards ?
Any behaviour which allows us to get into our daydream zone in.

eg Walking/Running/Cycling in the sun.

What's special about the daydream zone ?
It's a special EEG which associates with the primary Schumann node and must have something to do with telepathic transfer of information.

-*-

Not happy when turfed out of that special promised land within
- by some guy who wants you to do something wholly pointle$$.

SB_UK
09-16-14, 03:26 PM
Emotional dysregulation from desperately tired being refused permission to sleep - think bear with a sore head and tail and all connecting parts.

mildadhd
09-17-14, 01:19 AM
Why can't emotional dysregulation be secondary to chronic distress ?

Emotional regulation and stress
(http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10804-010-9114-7#page-1)
It's easy to see how stress 'd knock out emotional regulation.
It's harder to see how a type with emotional regulation problems 'd arise as the primary defect.

It has to be secondary.

If emotional regulation issues (ie incapacity to react with appropriate emotions) was the core issue in ADHD then I don't know how you'd fix it.

As far as I can see (through the eyes of ADHD) - there's nothing really wrong with ADDers - and EVERYTHING wrong with the environment we're meant to exist within.


It is secondary.

Common primary emotional biology in all people + distressful or eustressful emotional experiences

The tertiary is most effected.

There is nothing wrong with us, but it is important to be aware we are slightly more sensitive, which can be distressful.



Love P

SB_UK
09-17-14, 06:52 AM
It is secondary.

Common primary emotional biology in all people + distressful or eustressful emotional experiences

The tertiary is most effected.

There is nothing wrong with us, but it is important to be aware we are slightly more sensitive, which can be distressful.



Love P

That's pretty close to a perfect statement of what I see ADHD as also.