View Full Version : Natural ways to help insomnia while on dex?


nelle1992
10-16-14, 09:17 AM
So i've always been a night owl ever since I was a kid, and had bursts of energy late at night that keep me up until ridiculous hours, but the last few years my insomnia has worsened dramatically. I believe that this is partly due to being prescribed dex and also partly due to my age (insomnia runs in the family and we all seem to get alot worse once we hit our twenties).

I feel like I'd be able to somewhat get a good sleeping pattern in place now that i'm older and know what sets me off/what to avoid before bed etc if it weren't for the dex! I take 30mg a day, and taper it out so I have 15mg at 9am, 10mg at 12pm and 5mg at 3pm. I've tried taking the last dose earlier/not at all and it doesn't make a difference. I've had sleeping tablets prescribed, but I seem to have a high tolerence and for them to work I have to take quite a large dose for my size, and it leaves me feeling like utter crap the next day to the point i'd rather just not sleep and feel tired instead.

I've read somewhere that certain vitamins/supplements can actually cancel out the effects of the dex when taken at the end of the day and can aid in getting a good night sleep. Has anyone heard of this or tried it out themselves? I'd love to hear any suggestions anyone has for a natural solution to this issue, as I'm really not keen on living off sleeping tablets night after night!

Thanks :)

Spektur
10-16-14, 06:27 PM
Melatonin helps, that's a supplement. Benzodiazepines help too, they're kind of like supplements.

sarahsweets
10-17-14, 04:29 AM
Here is what works for me and it took me a whole year to get this to work. I go to bed and wake-up the same time every day. That means that I go to bed between 10-12 and wake-up between 4-6. If I go to bed late I still wake up at the same time. This is retraining your body to sleep. It sounds difficult but it does work if you really try it. Its important to set your body clock to what naturally works for you and tben sticking to that plan. If betime rolls around for you between 11-1am then thats your bedtime you just have to stick to a good routine for consistency. Its called sleep hygiene. Many people will say that they can't do this and it won't work but if you keep at it for a long long time it will pay off.

nelle1992
10-17-14, 05:12 AM
My aim is to stay away from the benzos if I can haha. Melatonin sounds promising though, thanks :)

nelle1992
10-17-14, 05:15 AM
Thanks Sarah. Not gonna lie I've tried that my whole life, even as a kid my mum would unplug all my lights at 8pm so i'd be forced to lay in darkness and calm down but I just stay wide awake. Forcing myself to be up at say 7am every morning could be an option though, not something I'd look forward to but an option nonetheless

Flory
10-17-14, 05:23 AM
Sledgehammer to the face usually works for me ;)

Sarah is right with the routine thing though . Also avoiding phones and tv for a certain period of time before sleeping. These can upset your circadian rhythm and stimulate you way too much. My doctor calls it basically boring yourself to sleep by winding down activity :)

Pilgrim
10-17-14, 06:03 AM
I think having the ' mental off switch ' is really important.
Funny thing on Dex I sleep better.

Pilgrim
10-17-14, 06:04 AM
I think having the ' mental off switch ' is really important.
Funny thing on Dex I sleep better.

nelle1992
10-30-14, 11:44 AM
Melatonin helps, that's a supplement. Benzodiazepines help too, they're kind of like supplements.


Bought a melatonin/magnesium/zinc powder supplement from the health food store about a week ago and dayum it actually works! Nothing exciting like spending the night with my old friend zolpidem haha but definitely effective when partnered with a good routine. Thanks for the advice :)

Spektur
10-30-14, 08:32 PM
Bought a melatonin/magnesium/zinc powder supplement from the health food store about a week ago and dayum it actually works! Nothing exciting like spending the night with my old friend zolpidem haha but definitely effective when partnered with a good routine. Thanks for the advice :)

Good to hear!

dag nab it
10-30-14, 10:07 PM
even as a kid my mum would unplug all my lights at 8pm so i'd be forced to lay in darkness and calm down but I just stay wide awake.
What your mum did helps a lot of sleepless people. The room has to be pitch black, though. No nightlight, no LED blue clock. A dark silk scarf placed around the head to cover the eyes is good - the silk does not slide around and is very comfortable. White noise can also help - FIY "white noise" is quiet regular sounds that help cover up street and household noise. It can be nature sounds, quiet music, etc.

SnapperJack
11-05-14, 04:06 PM
I use melatonin and GABA. Takes a while to get it dialed in but then I just found a mix of each at Costco. Schiff brand. Melatoning, GABA and soemthing else. I take a half at night and it's awesome.
GABA will wake you up and have you ready to be super productive in the middle of the night if you take too much so be careful. It has something to do witht he storage and release of either dopamine and or seratonin. Check it out. But when you get the gaba dosed right it works WELL.

mliw92
11-06-14, 05:15 AM
Melatonin helps, that's a supplement. Benzodiazepines help too, they're kind of like supplements.

These are drugs, no supplements. And they are pretty nasty/dangerous too.

Like the rest said, Melatonin, magnesium and avoiding TV/PC/Phone screens will help.

Flux is great too: https://justgetflux.com/

Exercise is also very important in my experience.

Other things that could help, probably minor effects but maybe helpful in combination:
-3 grams glycine, or two tablespoons of collagen hydrolisate: http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22293292 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22293292)

-L-Tryptophan: https://www.thieme-c.../s-2007-1017115 (https://www.thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/s-2007-1017115) -Suntheanine: http://205.208.160.6..._L-theanine.pdf (http://205.208.160.65/alt_med_abstracts/ABSTRACTS/The_Effects_of_L-theanine.pdf)
-Methylcobalamin: http://www.sciencedi...893133X96000553 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0893133X96000553)
-Bacopa: Mixed bag on this, but going to try with l-dopa to counteract antidopaminergic effects. http://www.ijppsjour...Suppl4/2432.pdf (http://www.ijppsjournal.com/Vol3Suppl4/2432.pdf)

Sickle
11-19-14, 04:48 PM
I used melatonin and magnesium because I find that when dexedrine wears off, I tend to get more wired. I can take a 30 mg dose of dexedrine and go to bed.