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Firestorm
02-13-15, 07:45 AM
I am a very quiet person and poor at maintaining conversation. This can be attributed to other disabilities I have. Despite this my mind and internal self-talk seem very much ADHD or manic. My internal talk (ie not literally talk but imagining my voice talking) is pretty much constant. I used to take half an hour to get to sleep solely because my mind was so busy that I was sort of buzzed, though I am not as bad now.

As to why I can think of so much conversation to myself and not others, that is mainly because much of what I say to myself couldn't be said to others, either because it would be of no interest to them or inappropriate to say. Also a lot of this talk is repetitive, where I rehash issues to the death. One does not become a good conversationalist just by saying anything.

The thoughts tend to be very good at keeping my attention kind of like an addiction. A lot of movies I've spent large amounts of the time not paying attention, not because the movie was boring but because what I was thinking about was so compelling. The thoughts almost always happen to be more interesting than whatever I'm listening to or watching.

Moron2
02-14-15, 05:27 AM
I am a very quiet person and poor at maintaining conversation. This can be attributed to other disabilities I have. Despite this my mind and internal self-talk seem very much ADHD or manic. My internal talk (ie not literally talk but imagining my voice talking) is pretty much constant.

You are definitely not alone, but I don't believe that a constant inner talk is a sign of ADHD. It's a sign of introversion.

The difference between a "normal" introvert and one with ADHD is, that, if the normal introvert is not stimulated by something interesting (doing a boring task), he manages to stay somewhat on topic with his inner monologue.

An ADHD introverts mind drifts off to things, that are interesting to him, no matter how hard he tries. I for example managed to get around this problem by procrastinating (which builds up adrenalin, I think) my whole life. But I cannot recommend that solution.

I used to take half an hour to get to sleep solely because my mind was so busy that I was sort of buzzed, though I am not as bad now.

Yeah, this seems to be ADHD territory. Your mind is constantly understimulated, so it seeks out stimulating aka interesting thoughts and just won't shut up, even if you want it to. Your mind just jumps from one topic to another. Trying to have a regular sleep pattern seems to better this, but that is not always possible.

One does not become a good conversationalist just by saying anything.

Welcome to the party. An introvert is not interested in simply talking, but in the interesting matters you can talk about. Oh my god, I HATE small talk. ADHD doesn't help here, trying to concentrate on boring talk just drains me in no time. Funny thing is, if the topic is interesting, I often interrupt others and just talk endlessly.

A lot of movies I've spent large amounts of the time not paying attention, not because the movie was boring but because what I was thinking about was so compelling.

Yep, I had that with Interstellar. The problem was, that I had so many thoughts and explanations about what was going on, I also thought about the right answers, which, when they happened, left my unsurprised and destroyed the movie for me. On the other hand, some things in the movie were just stupid...
Well here I go talking about Interstellar, damn you mind and damn you Christopher Nolan!


Since we seem to have certain things in common, can I ask you some questions?
Does methylphenidat help you concentrate?
Do you have a tolerance effect with it? (Does the effect wear off?)
Do others or you yourself think you are slow? (thinking and/or moving)
Are you often tired, especially when confronted with boring tasks?
So anyway, how's your sex life? (Just kidding, but you would not believe how often and randomly this scene (http://tinyurl.com/bq4hk3q) comes to my mind.)

Little Missy
02-14-15, 09:28 AM
My mind is like a continuous reel-to-reel of music, internal conversations and reviews of the books that I am reading all of the time. Sometimes it is exhausting and other times I like it. It never ends.

BellaVita
02-14-15, 04:53 PM
I'm similar. Lately it's been taking me 2 hrs ish to fall asleep due to constant mind chatter. (And that's WITH Trazodone)

dvdnvwls
02-14-15, 10:25 PM
Does methylphenidat help you concentrate?
Do you have a tolerance effect with it? (Does the effect wear off?)

Tolerance is much less of a problem than you might have heard. Stimulant abusers take very large doses, perhaps 10 times or 20 times what people with ADHD are prescribed, causing the abusers to develop tolerance fairly quickly. ADHDers who take the lowest dose that's truly effective for them often stay at the same dosage for years.

Moron2
02-16-15, 10:27 AM
Tolerance is much less of a problem than you might have heard. Stimulant abusers take very large doses, perhaps 10 times or 20 times what people with ADHD are prescribed, causing the abusers to develop tolerance fairly quickly.

I know, that it's not a problem for most ADHDers, but there are some (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10511066).
I can't say for sure, since my current medication is pretty unreliable (very dependent on the mass and kind of what I eat before), but I feel like my concentration worsens with every day I take my medication. I use the weekends as a pause from medication, but I still seem to get the tolerance effect through the week.
Maybe this has to do with ADHD-PI also being a problem with the release of noradrenalin and dopamine? :confused: If yes, then I shouldn't be alone with this.

ADHDers who take the lowest dose that's truly effective for them often stay at the same dosage for years.

Yeah, I'm at 20 mg (so 2x10mg which works for about 6 hours), which is pretty low compared to what others take.

dvdnvwls
02-16-15, 05:07 PM
... my current medication is pretty unreliable (very dependent on the mass and kind of what I eat before), but I feel like my concentration worsens with every day I take my medication. I use the weekends as a pause from medication, but I still seem to get the tolerance effect through the week.

The effect of food is well known, at least among people on this forum. Eating a good meal at each meal time is important. So is drinking much more water than usual, staying away from caffeine, getting some exercise (it doesn't matter what kind of exercise, just something), and sleeping well every night.

dvdnvwls
02-16-15, 08:06 PM
I am a very quiet person and poor at maintaining conversation. This can be attributed to other disabilities I have. Despite this my mind and internal self-talk seem very much ADHD or manic. My internal talk (ie not literally talk but imagining my voice talking) is pretty much constant. I used to take half an hour to get to sleep solely because my mind was so busy that I was sort of buzzed, though I am not as bad now.

ADHD and mania are quite distinct, though it's possible to have both. What follows is a gross oversimplification. Mania generally includes ideas or perceptions that are not true (such as believing you have greater intelligence, or have made a brilliant new discovery that others aren't able to understand, or that you can carry on working for days without rest or food, etc) and yet those beliefs are very important to you. ADHD includes being impulsive and therefore a greater chance of doing unwise things, and yes there probably is "hyperfocus" where an ADHDer may become absorbed in a task, forget what time it is, and forget to eat dinner or go to bed, but ADHD doesn't have the unrealistic beliefs and the outrageous commitment to them.

Tmoney
02-17-15, 10:51 AM
I have never, "Went to sleep" in my life. I always wear myself out so I can pass out! I have never ever napped in my life. I don't know how to relax and go to sleep. If I'm not busy during the day I don't sleep well.

I still have many internal thoughts which cause me to drift off in everyday life. However, I am very social. I stopped worrying about being judged many years ago. If I have something to say, I say it. Even when I'm in an elevator full of strangers. I can control inappropriateness and I'm a kind natured person so I never say things to hurt anyone, but if something is interesting or doesn't seem right and I have to know why, I'm asking!

I don't give a rats a** what any other earthling thinks of me. Its not my fault I was put on the wrong planet!! They're just going to have to adapt to me!
Yeah, how do they like that! Let them adapt for once and see how they like it!

"People who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music!"
~George Carlin

Corina86
02-17-15, 01:47 PM
but ADHD doesn't have the unrealistic beliefs and the outrageous commitment to them.

What does unrealistic belief mean? Don't we all have them? For example, I believe in energies, supernatural forces and Gods. Most people believe in things they cannot prove. How do you separate that from mania? I'm not asking this question to start a philosophical debate, I'm asking because my beliefs play an important part in my day-to-day life and I've been committed to them for a while. For example, if I believe something has negative energy, I will do my best to avoid that thing unless it's a life and death issue. If I must deal with negative energies, I take comfort in crystals and talismans.

Batman55
02-18-15, 12:57 AM
What does unrealistic belief mean? Don't we all have them? For example, I believe in energies, supernatural forces and Gods. Most people believe in things they cannot prove. How do you separate that from mania? I'm not asking this question to start a philosophical debate, I'm asking because my beliefs play an important part in my day-to-day life and I've been committed to them for a while. For example, if I believe something has negative energy, I will do my best to avoid that thing unless it's a life and death issue. If I must deal with negative energies, I take comfort in crystals and talismans.

Yeah, I second this (although dvdowls did say it was an oversimplification.)

I've long had difficulty with unrealistic beliefs, for instance thinking I was "special", to some extent, for a while.. this kind of belief in particular can have multiple causes, anything from narcissism to trouble socializing (thusly having an imperfect connection to the real world) could be behind this. Is it not possible, even, that it could simply be the result of delayed development--taking longer to draw a very firm line between the ideal, and the real? I mean, the older I get, the more these "fantastical notions" go away.

Firestorm
02-19-15, 09:20 PM
Since we seem to have certain things in common, can I ask you some questions?
Does methylphenidat help you concentrate?
Do you have a tolerance effect with it? (Does the effect wear off?)
Do others or you yourself think you are slow? (thinking and/or moving)
Are you often tired, especially when confronted with boring tasks?
So anyway, how's your sex life? (Just kidding, but you would not believe how often and randomly this scene (http://tinyurl.com/bq4hk3q) comes to my mind.)

I haven't been diagnosed so haven't tried the medication. I'm not slow moving but certainly slow thinking. A recent IQ test had me at 0.1 percentile on processing speed.

Boring tasks involving reading are quite mentally draining, and often cause headaches, physical discomfort or anxiety.

My sex life is non-existent! Bearing in mind that I'm intending to wait until I'm married to do that stuff however. I have looked at porn but found it very addictive and hence want to steer clear of it.

Batman55
02-20-15, 01:18 AM
So anyway, how's your sex life? (Just kidding, but you would not believe how often and randomly this scene (http://tinyurl.com/bq4hk3q) comes to my mind.)

Anyone who hasn't seen this movie "The Room" in full, you simply MUST see it.

It's an unintentional work of art, that rare film that is SO bad it becomes good.

silverstar1178
02-22-15, 12:03 AM
yea me too

BellaVita
02-22-15, 12:11 AM
What does unrealistic belief mean? Don't we all have them? For example, I believe in energies, supernatural forces and Gods. Most people believe in things they cannot prove. How do you separate that from mania? I'm not asking this question to start a philosophical debate, I'm asking because my beliefs play an important part in my day-to-day life and I've been committed to them for a while. For example, if I believe something has negative energy, I will do my best to avoid that thing unless it's a life and death issue. If I must deal with negative energies, I take comfort in crystals and talismans.

I think it also depends on the context of the symptoms. If you believe in things that are "unrealistic" that's fine, but add in other manic symptoms and then it becomes something to worry about. (Like racing thoughts, not sleeping for days, rapid speech etc)

dvdnvwls
02-22-15, 12:21 AM
What does unrealistic belief mean? Don't we all have them? For example, I believe in energies, supernatural forces and Gods. Most people believe in things they cannot prove. How do you separate that from mania? I'm not asking this question to start a philosophical debate, I'm asking because my beliefs play an important part in my day-to-day life and I've been committed to them for a while. For example, if I believe something has negative energy, I will do my best to avoid that thing unless it's a life and death issue. If I must deal with negative energies, I take comfort in crystals and talismans.

What it means in the context of mania is that the person believes something that is (a) false and (b) clearly and unequivocally detrimental to their health or their functioning or their life in general.

Believing in gods is not manic because such a belief isn't automatically detrimental. Believing that crystals and talismans do beneficial things, or that certain objects or situations have negative energy, might not be strictly reasonable, but in general it's not harmful or dangerous to believe it.

But what if (for example) you believed you possessed an unbreakable positive energy that would allow you to drive very fast with your eyes closed, drink several litres of alcohol and not get drunk, walk in train tunnels because you can easily outrun a train, and so on? Extreme examples, but closer to what mania might be about than crystals and talismans.

BellaVita
02-22-15, 12:25 AM
What it means in the context of mania is that the person believes something that is (a) false and (b) clearly and unequivocally detrimental to their health or their functioning or their life in general.

Believing in gods is not manic because such a belief isn't automatically detrimental. Believing that crystals and talismans do beneficial things, or that certain objects or situations have negative energy, might not be strictly reasonable, but in general it's not harmful or dangerous to believe it.

But what if (for example) you believed you possessed an unbreakable positive energy that would allow you to drive very fast with your eyes closed, drink several litres of alcohol and not get drunk, walk in train tunnels because you can easily outrun a train, and so on? Extreme examples, but closer to what mania might be about than crystals and talismans.

I have to disagree with you. I don't think that in the context of mania it means "clearly and unequivocally detrimental to their health or their functioning or their life in general."

I've read lots of manic cases where their beliefs weren't detrimental to their health.

I think the actions they have in response to those beliefs could potentially be harmful.

Also what constitutes a false belief? Who gets to decide that?

dvdnvwls
02-22-15, 12:44 AM
I have to disagree with you. I don't think that in the context of mania it means "clearly and unequivocally detrimental to their health or their functioning or their life in general."

I've read lots of manic cases where their beliefs weren't detrimental to their health.

I think the actions they have in response to those beliefs could potentially be harmful.I regard this part of your response as essentially just a quibble. If the person didn't act on their beliefs, it would usually be proof that they didn't really believe them so those weren't their beliefs after all. But to take the quibble seriously, yes it's correct that it's the actions the person takes as a result of their beliefs that really determine what's detrimental or not.

Also what constitutes a false belief? Who gets to decide that?

Some beliefs are not provable or disprovable. Other beliefs, such as the ones I invented in my post above, are obviously not true. There are people who at times believe things that are clearly wrong and that it's clearly harmful for them to believe, and I think it's not helpful to try to obfuscate that fact.

Delboy31
02-25-15, 12:09 PM
One of the posts talks about realistic inner thinking. As I can only speak for myself, I would say that the continual thinking that makes it impossible to "just go to sleep" is a notion I wish I could relate to. As to the thoughts of being better than others, I would say that the thoughts are more frustration and real.

Frustration comes in many forms. You can be listening to someone speak, and your brain is telling you that the person needs to hear an opposing view, and the need to respond is so great that after trying ones best to control the urge, I have to move my body and wait to respond which is so stressful, or I am unable to control myself, and interrupt. This causes more stress as I am mad at myself for being rude and implying that my opinions are more important than others.

Being ADHD-I, and suffering from other issues can been so grueling sometimes. I really wish I could "just fall asleep", knew how to interact in conversational banter like others, but as I don't I prefer to be alone...less stress.

Moron2
03-03-15, 01:12 PM
So is drinking much more water than usual

This is something, I have not thought about. I drink very little during the day (sometimes not even 1 liter, especially when I'm on meds), maybe this has something to do with my tolerance. I get more dehydrated with every day of the week. Thanks man! :goodpost:

I haven't been diagnosed so haven't tried the medication.

I just found your other thread and that you are an aspie. Even through the core "problem" of ADHD and Aspergers seems to be different, I often found myself identifying with aspergers and people with atypical autism.

But I lack many "features" of the autism spectrum, like having trouble reading emotions and seeing (and understanding) social cues. To the contrary, I think I'm able to pick them up even better than "normal" people. But your attention problems could be a feature of your aspergers. (But I read, that about 50% of Aspergers also have ADHD as a comorbidity)


I'm not slow moving but certainly slow thinking. A recent IQ test had me at 0.1 percentile on processing speed.

Well, I was in my childhood and sometimes I still am slow moving, especially if I'm unmotivated and daydreaming. For slow processing, I can't really say. I don't know, if I'm distracted by my thoughts or just slow.


Boring tasks involving reading are quite mentally draining, and often cause headaches, physical discomfort or anxiety.

Reading boring stuff is also quite difficult for me, I drift off in my thoughts and have to read the whole thing again and again and...

But I next to NEVER have headaches. Only when I tried methylphenidat at 30 mg (long term) I had pretty bad headaches.


My sex life is non-existent!

Well, I was just kidding with that question, but we got that in common, even through for different reasons (I guess? I'm pretty weird.).

Anyone who hasn't seen this movie "The Room" in full, you simply MUST see it.

Yep, it has been scientifically proven, that "The Room" is the best thing ever created by any being or non-being. For me it even topped Troll 2, easily.

Cotter67
06-09-15, 01:07 PM
I have never, "Went to sleep" in my life. I always wear myself out so I can pass out! I have never ever napped in my life. I don't know how to relax and go to sleep. If I'm not busy during the day I don't sleep well.

I still have many internal thoughts which cause me to drift off in everyday life. However, I am very social. I stopped worrying about being judged many years ago. If I have something to say, I say it. Even when I'm in an elevator full of strangers. I can control inappropriateness and I'm a kind natured person so I never say things to hurt anyone, but if something is interesting or doesn't seem right and I have to know why, I'm asking!

I don't give a rats a** what any other earthling thinks of me. Its not my fault I was put on the wrong planet!! They're just going to have to adapt to me!
Yeah, how do they like that! Let them adapt for once and see how they like it!

"People who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music!"
~George Carlin

Im the same, people tell me to relax but I genuinely don't know how to, my mind doesn't allow it, I find it very hard to fall asleep because my mind has so many thoughts going on.