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Razzic
03-28-15, 03:39 AM
Just wondering if this is ok to take, I've studied nutrition for a very long time and currently studying bachelor of science.

Currently on Dex, 5mg twice a day.

Vitamins / other stuff I take.

Skullcap (reduce toxicity from Amphetamine)
Co-Q10 (same reason as above)
Magnesium Chelate (reduce tolerance)

Multivitamin (general health and wellbeing)
Rhodiola (suffered from depression and anxiety this stuff really helped)
Ashwagandha (same as above, just doesn't work QUITE as well but well together)

Now I get to the stuff to help with my memory, it SUCKS bad and has helped a LOT since taking herbs that have been clinically proven to help with memory.

Now I take Vinpocetine for a nootropics pe say, and Phosphatidyl Serine (as its in most stacks)
Neurocholine (CDP)
Bocopa
NAC
Acetyl L-Carnitine

Most of this stuff can be found in stacks but I bought them separately as most clinical studies always show more used than in those bundled all together products. I always do only take whats recommended on the bottle but yeah.

Also Krill Oil

Cordyceps and Paba + bit extra B6 sometimes as Dex is extremely bad for Adrenal Fatigue.

Study is INTENSE (currently doing Anatomy and Physiology) , Bio-mechanics and Chemistry.

I can focus and very well but do get a large headache sometimes. Whether this is just me getting REused to the dex as I took a break for about 18 months (started a week at 2.5mg twice a day just worked it up to 5mg) I'm not sure as I'm aware side effects can last weeks and then diminish.

I just want a second opinion, as I'm sure everyone is aware always someone smarter out there than ourselves (and just general rule to get a good second opinion)

Problem with asking a Dr is they have NO clue about nutrition or herbs in general so I've stopped asking after multiple Dr's asking multiple times and getting no where (from GP's to Specialist psychiatrists)

Thanks in advance.

Was also thinking of adding L_Theanine to the stack as people use it for sleeping aids but more and more evidence is coming out it helps brain function and concentration, boosts memory and tests of those who take it during the day (its in green tea naturally and they beat those in tests over coffee drinkers etc)

Also can probably read some more on the study here

http://www.printfriendly.com/print/?source=homepage&url=http%3A%2F%2Fultraculture.org%2Fblog%2F2014%2F 04%2F28%2Fdiscovered-ultimate-cup-coffee-make%2F

Plenty of pubmed studies out there also on it, but thought this guys article is a bit easier to read.

Razzic
03-28-15, 04:20 AM
Just wondering if this is ok to take, I've studied nutrition for a very long time and currently studying bachelor of science.

Currently on Dex, 5mg twice a day.

Vitamins / other stuff I take.

Skullcap (reduce toxicity from Amphetamine)
Co-Q10 (same reason as above)
Magnesium Chelate (reduce tolerance)

Multivitamin (general health and wellbeing)
Rhodiola (suffered from depression and anxiety this stuff really helped)
Ashwagandha (same as above, just doesn't work QUITE as well but well together)

Now I get to the stuff to help with my memory, it SUCKS bad and has helped a LOT since taking herbs that have been clinically proven to help with memory.

Now I take Vinpocetine for a nootropics pe say, and Phosphatidyl Serine (as its in most stacks)
Neurocholine (CDP)
Bocopa
NAC
Acetyl L-Carnitine

Most of this stuff can be found in stacks but I bought them separately as most clinical studies always show more used than in those bundled all together products. I always do only take whats recommended on the bottle but yeah.

Also Krill Oil

Cordyceps and Paba + bit extra B6 sometimes as Dex is extremely bad for Adrenal Fatigue.

Study is INTENSE (currently doing Anatomy and Physiology) , Bio-mechanics and Chemistry.

I can focus and very well but do get a large headache sometimes. Whether this is just me getting REused to the dex as I took a break for about 18 months (started a week at 2.5mg twice a day just worked it up to 5mg) I'm not sure as I'm aware side effects can last weeks and then diminish.

I just want a second opinion, as I'm sure everyone is aware always someone smarter out there than ourselves (and just general rule to get a good second opinion)

Problem with asking a Dr is they have NO clue about nutrition or herbs in general so I've stopped asking after multiple Dr's asking multiple times and getting no where (from GP's to Specialist psychiatrists)

Thanks in advance.

Was also thinking of adding L_Theanine to the stack as people use it for sleeping aids but more and more evidence is coming out it helps brain function and concentration, boosts memory and tests of those who take it during the day (its in green tea naturally and they beat those in tests over coffee drinkers etc)

Also can probably read some more on the study here

http://www.printfriendly.com/print/?source=homepage&url=http%3A%2F%2Fultraculture.org%2Fblog%2F2014%2F 04%2F28%2Fdiscovered-ultimate-cup-coffee-make%2F

Plenty of pubmed studies out there also on it, but thought this guys article is a bit easier to read.

Forgot to add DMAE and L-Tyrosine

This is my second day I've got a headache after the second batch and felt a bit sick also, seems second dex and second lot of supplements something is going on there because I didn't used to feel like this.

Razzic
03-28-15, 04:53 AM
Forgot to add DMAE and L-Tyrosine

This is my second day I've got a headache after the second batch and felt a bit sick also, seems second dex and second lot of supplements something is going on there because I didn't used to feel like this.

*EDIT , just found "Brain Elevate" by now has l-glutamine in it which is to be avoided whilst taking dex, so I'll try removing that see how I go in days in the future, any suggestions about the other stuff is welcome though also.

sarahsweets
03-28-15, 07:23 AM
i have to say....whenever I hear of anyone talking about a "stack" I think about either bodybuilders or someone playing around with their meds or supplements without consulting a doctor. No offense.

Little Missy
03-28-15, 07:25 AM
Maybe you could just eat a well balanced diet instead.

Unmanagable
03-28-15, 03:06 PM
Are you taking all of these strictly under your own guidance, or have you actually had blood work done and consulted with a doctor or registered dietitian to determine your supplemental needs? You can really mess up your innards and be counter productive without some specific knowledgeable guidance.

Edited to add: Just re-read and saw OP comment about doctors. My bad. Having the blood work, hormonal testing, and nutrient testing helps make better informed decisions based on actual need vs. guessing, at least. Registered dietitians can test, also. That's a hell of a list of stuff that made me cringe when I read it. Your body will let you know, but please be careful. Best of luck to you.

Razzic
03-28-15, 08:07 PM
Are you taking all of these strictly under your own guidance, or have you actually had blood work done and consulted with a doctor or registered dietitian to determine your supplemental needs? You can really mess up your innards and be counter productive without some specific knowledgeable guidance.

Edited to add: Just re-read and saw OP comment about doctors. My bad. Having the blood work, hormonal testing, and nutrient testing helps make better informed decisions based on actual need vs. guessing, at least. Registered dietitians can test, also. That's a hell of a list of stuff that made me cringe when I read it. Your body will let you know, but please be careful. Best of luck to you.

Thanks, I have had blood work done, twice just recently and semi recently whilst taking all these and everything is in the normal range with no abnormalities present at all.

Next I will get hormone testing done as I suspected that might be out, but just a theory as it I was trying to find my link to depression and lack of energy but might be just that, depression and ADD and I've read elsewhere having ADD (or ADHD) you are something around the 50 - 60% mark more prone to have other mental disorders.

This all wasn't just added over night, slowly really over the years I guess, first solving anxiety, then kind of depression and then memory, then all I was trying to do is get study done and my life back on track is how I ended up here, but I can really tell if I had something (like my other above posts) as I can feel it and eliminate it again, as you said, the body does tell you, just have to pay attention.

Thanks for the replies.

Razzic
03-28-15, 09:34 PM
i have to say....whenever I hear of anyone talking about a "stack" I think about either bodybuilders or someone playing around with their meds or supplements without consulting a doctor. No offense.

Naw it's ok, so do I lol, I should of titled it something like Dex with other supplements or something along those lines, was kind of late, just wrote it before I went to bed, or in the hours leading up to it anyways.

Razzic
03-28-15, 09:36 PM
Maybe you could just eat a well balanced diet instead.

I actually eat extremely healthy, (not sure why you assumed I don't, but I guess most people don't so it's ok to assume that, I won't take any offense) and yes that does have a major effect in my mood and well being. Even then out of everything I've listed, that would only replace the multivitamin at best? You cannot get what I've listed through a normal well balanced diet, would I could, then wouldn't need ANYTHING, even Dex for the ADD etc :)

laserrod
04-03-15, 02:38 AM
B vitamins stop headaches for me.
I'd just cut out half of the sups, ones most likely that cause headache.
try scientific method of trial and switch stuff around.
I used try all that stuff with unpredictable lost of weird results.
Then just L-deprnyl (selegiline= same thing) alone, its safe and your blood may test meth. pos. but it's good for brain, gave me good energy/feeling for 2Y and could get a 30ml droper bottle in mail or local rx for 70/m it's a sched 1 i think and was great but i needed stronger and started on dex.

you have too many variables going on you know?
bodys greatly differ, then go figure what all you eat too.

ever hear of a stack overflow? (cpu term)
dg:scratch:

Fuzzy12
04-03-15, 04:54 AM
I've got no idea about the supplements but I take dex,and get headaches when I don't drink enough water.

Razzic
04-04-15, 03:23 AM
B vitamins stop headaches for me.
I'd just cut out half of the sups, ones most likely that cause headache.
try scientific method of trial and switch stuff around.
I used try all that stuff with unpredictable lost of weird results.
Then just L-deprnyl (selegiline= same thing) alone, its safe and your blood may test meth. pos. but it's good for brain, gave me good energy/feeling for 2Y and could get a 30ml droper bottle in mail or local rx for 70/m it's a sched 1 i think and was great but i needed stronger and started on dex.

you have too many variables going on you know?
bodys greatly differ, then go figure what all you eat too.

ever hear of a stack overflow? (cpu term)
dg:scratch:

Sure have heard of it :) (Stack overflow that is)

I take B vitamins, but I think it is just me adjusting to the dex, happened last time even without these added supps.

Really struggling at the moment, don't really want to take the dex but haven't been able to focus or remember anything from studying (or really even get to it, when I do I just re-read the same thing over and over without it sticking)

Bit worried about this article.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110220193013.htm

Using amphetamines may increase risk of Parkinson's disease, study suggests.

I originally read an article like that, which was originally only directed at meth, now it is particularly tested with amphetamines such as benzedrine and dexedrine.

I use pure dexamphetamine. MOST studies that have come out how to prevent neurotoxicity also is glutamate toxicity not for dopamine receptor protection.

Really makes me wonder though on these paragraphs though if it was dosage dependent? As it doesn't state the dose.

Exposure to amphetamines was determined by two questions: one on the use of drugs for weight loss and a second question on whether people often used Benzedrine or Dexedrine. Amphetamines were among the drugs commonly used for weight loss when this information was collected.
According to the study, those people who reported using Benzedrine or Dexedrine were nearly 60 percent more likely to develop Parkinson's than those people who didn't take the drugs. There was no increased risk found for those people who used drugs for weight loss.

How much is "normally" prescribed for the weight loss side of things then I wonder.... or does it mean no ADDITIONAL risk for using it for weight loss ON TOP of the 60% found? Urg.