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icarusinflames
05-07-15, 05:15 PM
I heard that there is a study happening where they are using a vagus nerve stimulator (a patch the child wears while sleeping on the forehead), and it can help just like amphetamines do. It's normally used for people with siezures I guess, or other issues but now they are testing it out for use on people with ADHD, especially children.

I am wondering if anyone thinks this is a good idea or has tried it. I heard the device is for sale in Canada and Europe already. I'm dubious but hopeful for my kid.

Would you have your child wear a vagus nerve stimulator while sleeping? Would you as a grown person, try this too?

burger
05-08-15, 05:35 AM
I think you mean this device. eTNS (External Trigeminal Nerve Stimulation)
http://www.medicalexpo.com/prod/neurosigma/percutaneous-neurostimulator-vagus-nerve-stimulation-84461-544743.html

burger
05-08-15, 09:45 AM
Maybe the device is a repurposed ceflay Anti-Migraine Device. They both seem to be T.E.N.S. head units. Don't put a regular T.E.N.S. unit on your head btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_p0WlJd_dw

If it's free it's probably not the worst. People do things like TDCS (transcranial direct current stimulation) on themselves which is probably much riskier since it can cause burns and other noticeable effects. There's CES (cranial electrotherapy stimulation) also. The replacement pads for the device are probably going to be expensive and unless they are the kind you can use tac gel on they might fall off after some uses. You can make gel electrodes last a while just look on youtube.

finallyfound10
05-08-15, 12:33 PM
Th only kind of VNS that I know of is surgically implanted similar to a pacemaker.

There are other kinds of advances for depression but may also work for ADHD if they can figure out how to do it. I think this video is from 2009.

http://psych.broadcastmed.com/3889/videos/advances-in-treating-depression

icarusinflames
05-08-15, 04:43 PM
I think you mean this device. eTNS (External Trigeminal Nerve Stimulation)
http://www.medicalexpo.com/prod/neurosigma/percutaneous-neurostimulator-vagus-nerve-stimulation-84461-544743.html

That's it! I wonder what people think of this. I worry of course about harm to the brain, but... what if I could wear this at night and at least have more clear thinking and be able to get all my work down in the first half of the day?

I'm not even hoping for a total cure, but for better mornings and a window of opportunity for some serious intellectual work.

daveddd
05-09-15, 02:06 PM
i don't know anything about this machine, but its of interest to me due to the fact that vagal tones are being heavily looked at as a contributor to most mental illness

icarusinflames
05-09-15, 06:33 PM
i don't know anything about this machine, but its of interest to me due to the fact that vagal tones are being heavily looked at as a contributor to most mental illness'

It seems like a worthy tool for ADHDers and anyone who also is depressed. WHy not have one, to give a better start to the day and maybe less medication is needed to feel good then. I could see it being used in addition to medication (in adults). Although who knows. I have zero information on how this could be used on adults even in the approved use (in Canada and Europe) for depression. But that is currently one application that I could use for sure (my depression is pretty awful at times)

bizarre101
05-30-15, 06:01 AM
i also think the vagus nerve is involved in adhd, possibly in other conditions, too, but adhd much.

in adhd its not the cause, but its damaged due to the condition, imo.

with adhd it needs to be calmed down, not to stimulate, imo.

with breathing techniques, this might work. pranayama and similars.