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SB_UK
06-16-15, 09:23 AM
asthma
Diseases of Western living.

We're about to realise that the diseases of Western living result from an underlying change in man - which - if we retain our previous behaviours - result in disease.

The most significant changes occurring in the background in the species are towards a collective morality and towards vastly reduced food intake.

Morality
Reduced/altered food intake

... ... are of course the 2 most significant factors in survival of the species.

The combination of enforcedly moral individual within species without requirement for much food - produces a species which is resilient to the usual (failed harvests, physical warfare) causes of death observed throughout history.

The underlying idea is that our most commonly studied diseases actually arise from a species which is getting better.

Sadly - pizza and coca-cola loving warmongers need not apply.

I think that the transition we're seeing in man - relates to a shift from simple sugar to short chain fatty acid [potentially generated by our skin as 'solar panel'] as energetic substrate.

SB_UK
06-16-15, 09:28 AM
The key point to make is that we're looking for the cause of all of the diseases we're suffering from in our evolutionary past

- when we should be looking to our future.

Quote:
Is it possible that we should be searching for the reason for ADD, not in the future but in the past?
Nope, but it’s an annoyingly popular idea. Don’t get us started. (grin…)
http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9786&highlight=epiphany

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People are making a transition into a higher reward system whilst cranking through a lower reward system.

And the consequence is disease.

We do it to ourselves.

Drogheda
06-17-15, 05:06 AM
Diseases of Western living.

We're about to realise that the diseases of Western living result from an underlying change in man - which - if we retain our previous behaviours - result in disease.

The most significant changes occurring in the background in the species are towards a collective morality and towards vastly reduced food intake.

Morality
Reduced/altered food intake

... ... are of course the 2 most significant factors in survival of the species.

The combination of enforcedly moral individual within species without requirement for much food - produces a species which is resilient to the usual (failed harvests, physical warfare) causes of death observed throughout history.

The underlying idea is that our most commonly studied diseases actually arise from a species which is getting better.

Sadly - pizza and coca-cola loving warmongers - UK from the Tudors onwards need not apply.

I think that sugar intake drove European Imperialism; and that the transition we're seeing in man - relates to a shift from simple sugar to short chain fatty acid [potentially generated by our skin as 'solar panel'] as energetic substrate.

asthma has always existed and you develop it at a very very young age when the CNS and lungs are starting to form more advanced structures.

you really shouldn't lecture someone with asthma what it's about, because I've been to a ton of a specialists. even air pollution is a very shaky reasoning behind the formation of asthma because of the *not asthma* and *real asthma* relationship. you really don't know if you have asthma until you are fully grown (20 or so) and even then the *not asthma* is still a problem

asthma, real asthma, is the inability of the soft tissue of the lungs to stop swelling because of the CNS link. *not asthma* is people who's lungs are sensitive and have asthma like symptoms a lot (and even are put on the same medication sometimes and have rescue inhalers) but if you take them out of the environment the soft tissue will stop swelling. if you take an asthmatic out of the environment... the soft tissue will NOT stop swelling and if it does it takes days (I know this, the tests to see if I had asthma I had to go 4 days without my rescue inhaler and I thought Iw as going to die). during that time, even the asthmatic gets some relief over a long period of time, scarring in the lungs happen because of the swelling. do this 100 times and you have something akin to COPD.

SB_UK
06-17-15, 05:59 AM
asthma has always existed and you develop it at a very very young age when the CNS and lungs are starting to form more advanced structures.

you really shouldn't lecture someone with asthma what it's about, because I've been to a ton of a specialists. even air pollution is a very shaky reasoning behind the formation of asthma because of the *not asthma* and *real asthma* relationship. you really don't know if you have asthma until you are fully grown (20 or so) and even then the *not asthma* is still a problem

asthma, real asthma, is the inability of the soft tissue of the lungs to stop swelling because of the CNS link. *not asthma* is people who's lungs are sensitive and have asthma like symptoms a lot (and even are put on the same medication sometimes and have rescue inhalers) but if you take them out of the environment the soft tissue will stop swelling. if you take an asthmatic out of the environment... the soft tissue will NOT stop swelling and if it does it takes days (I know this, the tests to see if I had asthma I had to go 4 days without my rescue inhaler and I thought Iw as going to die). during that time, even the asthmatic gets some relief over a long period of time, scarring in the lungs happen because of the swelling. do this 100 times and you have something akin to COPD.

Add cold-induced, viral-induced and then hayfever worsened asthma into the mix and the average asthmatic's rescue inhaler ceases to work.

We need to solve this problem.

Definitely food related but not type - instead volume.

SB_UK
06-17-15, 06:09 AM
The body's natural response to anaphylaxis is to release adrenaline, a natural "antidote" - See more at: http://www.allergy.org.au/patients/allergy-treatment/adrenaline-for-severe-allergies#sthash.tPNHJlEA.dpuf
allergic

b2-adrenergic agonists are used to treat asthma
asthma

fasting can increase the sympathetic nervous system response
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Not sure I like complete fasting - going with dramatically reduced food intake currently.
Hard not to slow down (metabolically etc) on complete fasting.

SB_UK
06-17-15, 06:13 AM
So - in line with the leading expert in allergic asthma in this Universe and the next.

"One of Gabriel’s big revelations was that the genetics did not support a link between asthma and allergy."
http://blog.wellcome.ac.uk/2012/03/20/william-cookson-and-miriam-moffatt-joined-up-thinking/

No causation between allergy and asthma, but correlation due to an underlying issue of impaired Sympathetic nervous system signalling - in a physiological environment of progressively decreasing need for food ie eating too much/inappropriate foods resulting in exuberant PNS activation.

Exuberant PNS activation -> tiredness (cardinal ADHD symptom) -> lack of spoons (mental energy).

SB_UK
06-17-15, 06:46 AM
POST-EDIT

Allergic asthma epidemic and The Thrifty gene Hypothesis (basis to current diabesity epidemic) are caused by the same basic 'thing' - reduced nutritional need - in a stressful world in which comfort food is EVERYWHERE.

Why don't people notice ?
'cos the powers that be are too busy trying to become famous offa' scientific publications or becoming rich off finding the next big pharmaceutical treatment.

The truth won't make anybody famous or rich - but will stop people suffering.

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No food - sleepy.
Too much food - sleepy.

Balance is key - but is harder to attain than explain.

SB_UK
06-17-15, 07:06 AM
From the Johnson Upday Downday Diet
The Asthma Study

Dr. Johnson conducted the first study that examined the ability of alternate-day calorie restriction to treat symptoms of disease in humans. He selected asthma because it is associated with obesity and inflammation, and its symptoms are very easy to observe and monitor. Twenty overweight people with asthma were chosen to participate in the study. Every other day, they were allowed to eat as they normally would, and on alternate days they were instructed to consume no more than 20 percent of their normal caloric intake. Only one person was not able to comply with the diet. At the end of the eight-week study, the participants had lost, on average, about 8 percent of their initial body weight. They all experienced a drastic improvement in their asthma symptoms as well as increased energy. In addition, their nitrotyrosine levels, a measure of oxidative stress and an indicator of heart disease, decreased by 90 percent, and their levels of TN-alpha, a marker of inflammation, were reduced by two-thirds.

By demonstrating the anti-inflammatory effect of alternate-day calorie restriction on asthma sufferers, Dr. Johnson believes that this diet has the potential to have profound effects on other diseases associated with inflammation and aging, including heart disease, diabetes, and Alzheimer's.

The asthma study also showed that many of the health benefits of alternate-day dieting take effect in a very short period of time. Although the study lasted eight weeks, most of the improvement took place in the first two to three weeks of the study. Dr. Johnson believes that the SIRT1 gene is the reason why the diet is so effective, and SIRT1 levels are increased very quickly after the gene is activated.

Alternate-day calorie restriction improves clinical findings and reduces markers of oxidative stress and inflammation in overweight adults with moderate asthma

By James B. Johnson, Warren Summer, Roy G. Cutler, Bronwen Martin, Dong-Hoon Hyun, Vishwa D. Dixit, Michelle Pearson, Matthew Nassar, Richard Tellejohan, Stuart Maudsley, Olga Carlson, Sujit John, Donald R. Laub, and Mark P. Mattson, Free Radical Biology & Medicine, 2007.

This study, conducted by James Johnson, M.D., and colleagues, shows that alternate-day calorie restriction reduced asthma symptoms in a group of overweight patients while also lowering their measures of inflammation and oxidative stress.

Drogheda
06-17-15, 10:37 AM
Add cold-induced, viral-induced and then hayfever worsened asthma into the mix and the average asthmatic's rescue inhaler ceases to work.



Definitely food related but not type - instead volume.

no... they work.

all the time every time. even with an asthma attack you can treat yourself with albutural from a rescue inhaler. it might take a few more puffs.

I know this because I HAVE asthma and I'm not just making crap up. I have had asthma with a cold, with the flu, with hayfever. I'm allergic to almost everything.

there are two types of inhalers, the rescue inhaler then the steriod and long lasting bronchial dialater, you can get them seperately or together in something called advair. then there is a pill called singular to block lucotrians (however you spell it)

you know what would happen if the rescue inhaler stopped working? every asthmatic would be dead because albuteral, the same thing they give you in the ER during an asthma attack (I know because I've been there a few times).

don't make something up in front of someone who actually has asthma. I can refute each of these without having to do a quick search on the net because I have all this information learned after having asthma for 36 years and talking to my doctor and specialists for 36 years.

Drogheda
06-17-15, 10:45 AM
See more at: http://www.allergy.org.au/patients/allergy-treatment/adrenaline-for-severe-allergies#sthash.tPNHJlEA.dpuf
allergic

asthma


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Not sure I like complete fasting - going with dramatically reduced food intake currently.
Hard not to slow down (metabolically etc) on complete fasting.

asthma is not anaphalaxys, they are two seperate things. the only time the body releases addrinaline is if you start having a panic attack do to a severe attack.

also this is from the "fasting" page." Unfortunately there is also downsides to the CR approach including loss of lean muscle (and getting really skinny), loss of energy, being hungry, loss of mental focus and well-being, increases in anxiety/depression/irritability, and just nothing that any of us would really want to go through."

Loss of muscle from your diaphragm is bad business for asthmatics and frankly, everyone, considering working out is recommended if you have asthma or anxiety and depression.

Drogheda
06-17-15, 10:51 AM
POST-EDIT

Allergic asthma epidemic and The Thrifty gene Hypothesis (basis to current diabesity epidemic) are caused by the same basic 'thing' - reduced nutritional need - in a stressful world in which comfort food is EVERYWHERE.

Why don't people notice ?
'cos the powers that be are too busy trying to become famous offa' scientific publications or becoming rich off finding the next big pharmaceutical treatment.

The truth won't make anybody famous or rich - but will stop people suffering.

-*-

No food - sleepy.
Too much food - sleepy.

Balance is key - but is harder to attain than explain.

while it's true that people eat what they are allergic to because of comfort foods, it's not the only reason. this is something any doctor will tell you and it's not a hidden secret... were do you get this idea that they are hiding this from? i't snot up to buisnesses to care for people with asthma, it's up to the person and, like I said, this is basic information every single person that has asthma like symptoms get, even if they don't have *true* asthma but just symptoms...

also "allergic" asthma would be refereed to as asthma. there are two classifications, one is when the lungs can reduce swelling on it's own after a short period, and the other is that the lungs can't. this is the only markers, saying "allergic asthma" makes no sense, you can say that people have allergic triggers for both... I think thats what you are tyrying to say

Drogheda
06-17-15, 10:58 AM
The Asthma Study

Dr. Johnson conducted the first study that examined the ability of alternate-day calorie restriction to treat symptoms of disease in humans. He selected asthma because it is associated with obesity and inflammation, and its symptoms are very easy to observe and monitor. Twenty overweight people with asthma were chosen to participate in the study. Every other day, they were allowed to eat as they normally would, and on alternate days they were instructed to consume no more than 20 percent of their normal caloric intake. Only one person was not able to comply with the diet. At the end of the eight-week study, the participants had lost, on average, about 8 percent of their initial body weight. They all experienced a drastic improvement in their asthma symptoms as well as increased energy. In addition, their nitrotyrosine levels, a measure of oxidative stress and an indicator of heart disease, decreased by 90 percent, and their levels of TN-alpha, a marker of inflammation, were reduced by two-thirds.

By demonstrating the anti-inflammatory effect of alternate-day calorie restriction on asthma sufferers, Dr. Johnson believes that this diet has the potential to have profound effects on other diseases associated with inflammation and aging, including heart disease, diabetes, and Alzheimer's.

The asthma study also showed that many of the health benefits of alternate-day dieting take effect in a very short period of time. Although the study lasted eight weeks, most of the improvement took place in the first two to three weeks of the study. Dr. Johnson believes that the SIRT1 gene is the reason why the diet is so effective, and SIRT1 levels are increased very quickly after the gene is activated.

there are a list of things a doctor and specialist will tell someone with asthma.
1: to lose weight
2: to get your allergies tested and stop eating/drinking your triggers
3: to get excersize.

and yes it all has to do with inflammation because when you do all of that it reduces inflammation.

one of the things you DO NOT to when you have asthma is not get the nutrition you need, especially when you have ADHD. also reducing calories to such an extreme will cause your body to start self digestion for protien, meaning your body starts eating muscle. this includes the heart and diaphragm and with people with ADHD and depression/anxiety. you know what does work, building muscle and loosing weight how you are supposed to. that has helped my asthma a lot recently, these fad diets don't

one thing about that trial is it doesn't go into the long run, what happens 8 months later? did they change their lifestyle enough to keep the weight off? did they lose heart mass from such a restrictive diet? it doesn't say. also, muscle is key to good blood circulation which is a key factor for people with asthma, muscle regression from restrictive diets promotes muscle digression, as I said, one of the things that these diets do is it eats muscle for protein, the most dangerous is the HEART, your body WILL start to eat your HEART on these diets.

SB_UK
06-19-15, 02:16 PM
Add cold-induced, viral-induced and then hayfever worsened asthma into the mix and the average asthmatic's rescue inhaler ceases to work.


This doesn't read right - I mean the average asthmatic's rescue inhaler ceases to work for me.

Can't generalize that - not possible without a study.

jmicro
06-19-15, 03:22 PM
I've had asthma all my life and have been on many meds. Currently it's dulera twice a day, Singulair at night, albuterol when neesed and...zyrtec and Flonase for allergies.

Currently my asthma has been under control, but I've been a lot more conscious of what I eat and how much I eat.

Not all doctors should be grouped together. Mine in the past didn't account for food having anything to do with asthma or how much of it I eat.

However, I have experienced that binge eating does induce asthma for me.

I also disn't also experience relief from albuterol. When it didn't help, the old OTC inhaler would work most of the time. There were also times when neither would work and I would need a steroid treatment.

I think what you are saying holds weight in regards to what I have experienced however I'm sure it can't all be attributable to that.

We all have different experiences and we shouldn't bash each other, but share opinions, research, experiences and learn or consider thoughts and ideas.