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Firestorm
06-25-15, 07:11 AM
My concentration is much better with reading than listening to people. I am a previous winner of my country's quizzing championship. In recent times I've been copying text from material I need to learn to a text speech reader, recorded it onto my iPad, and played it as a study aid, like when I'm driving.

This hasn't worked as a study aid anywhere near as well as I'd like. I'm usually only able to listen about 1/3 of the time. It isn't that I'm not motivated to listen. I want to regain my title and am distressed at my poor ability to listen. My mind finds the material unstimulating to listen to, and will thwart my listening either by my OCD attacking strongly or by obsessive thoughts of a non-distressing nature which I feel compelled to think. My mind can calm down quickly as soon as the recording finishes. If I have been listening for a while my head starts to ache.

But here's the puzzling thing: the material I'm listening to isn't boring to me when I read it. I just read the text from my latest recording and could concentrate fine. So why the difference in my ability to concentrate when listening and reading? The psychologist I'm seeing now couldn't give a satisfying answer.

stef
06-25-15, 08:25 AM
It makes perfect sense to me, I've seen that there are "different types of learning".
I've never tried any kind of audio book or speech reader device but I would much rather read the material! I have a good visual memory.

Skyf@ll
06-25-15, 08:35 AM
Use headphones while listening to the audio...it will block out background noise and help you focus more.

But obviously don't do this while you driving.

sarahsweets
06-25-15, 04:24 PM
It sort of has to do with which senses are engaged while trying to learn it. For me, reading is the only way I learn. If I have to listen I get distracted and miss key info.

neewsmonth
06-26-15, 11:04 PM
But here's the puzzling thing: the material I'm listening to isn't boring to me when I read it. I just read the text from my latest recording and could concentrate fine. So why the difference in my ability to concentrate when listening and reading? The psychologist I'm seeing now couldn't give a satisfying answer.

When you read it's easy to reestablish the context after you drift away for a while. the text is still there and you can't get lost. Listening comprehension depends on a steady pace of your attention system. If you zone out for 10 seconds you may lose 2 key sentences and lose the context for the next 10.

Imgine everything you read runs on a yellow band like TV breaking news - with constant pace and linearily. I bet we would soon start to hate reading. Listening is like that yellow band stream.

Greyhound1
06-27-15, 12:18 AM
I would think the simple answer is probably that you are more stimulated by visual stimuli than audio. You can focus better and learn the material easier when more stimulated.

Most of my life, I learned mostly through audio or verbal ques. Reading and visualized learning was extremely difficult for me.

Since being diagnosed and beginning treatment 2.5 years ago, I can learn so much more then before with reading. Reading used to bore me to tears. It was agony trying to focus and comprehend. My mind would quickly remind me that it had a mind of it's own.

It would direct my thoughts to anything more enjoyable without me even noticing. Before I knew it I had wasted 30 mins. day dreaming when I was starring at the words on the page. There is no way, I could have ever been a moderator here before treatment. I still have trouble with visualization though.

Pilgrim
06-27-15, 01:20 AM
All great advice. You take medication right? Well if yes. And I think it's yes. The way you absorb will change.

fracturedstory
06-27-15, 02:29 AM
Bad at reading, bad at hearing
Good hands on, Excellent at visual learning.

stef
06-27-15, 02:30 AM
I can learn so much more then before with reading. Reading used to bore me to tears. It was agony trying to focus and comprehend. My mind would quickly remind me that it had a mind of it's own.


greyhoind that's how I feel about verbal learning unless it was a structured type of lecture where I could take good notes!

Fortune
06-27-15, 02:41 AM
Also possible is audio processing disorder, which may make it difficult to understand everything you hear. I have this issue, and I have a very hard time listening to podcasts or other audio recordings without losing track of what's going on. I also have trouble focusing without visual engagement.

Firestorm
06-29-15, 10:18 PM
Fortune, thank you, after doing some reading it is starting to look very much that I have audio processing disorder! I have always felt that the people who have come up with reasons for my concentration issues have missed something major.

I do indeed make silly mistakes as a result of distracting noise. It took me a few years to realise that my consistently performing below my ability at the national quiz championships or quiz nights was due to noise. I wore ear plugs at the recent championship because of this. Anyway, I will go to a specialist and get tested for audio processing disorder.

Firestorm
07-19-15, 07:51 AM
Ok, so I have booked an appointment for diagnosis of auditory processing disorder on the 27th.

I wrote cancelling further appointments at the specialist clinic as I felt the person I was seeing didn't properly understand the cause of my poor attention. I then got an email from the clinic director with clarification indicating that they had just realised I have a core attention problem. Does this mean they now think I have ADHD, as is there anything other than ADHD that would classify as a core attention problem?

someothertime
07-19-15, 08:04 AM
Sounds like a vague tidbit to try get you back there... Keep them on good terms if you get a call or something...... tell them life is hectic so you'll get back in touch when it settles down or something like that..... you never know.... you might go back there.......

Always good to get records from all treating places...... they'll often try charge or other....... but maybe down the road if you do start to see someone good.... have them request the records............

Everyone is gonna approach treatment differently..... the most important thing is that you trust them and you benefit..... it sounds like that wasn't happening so i feel your doing the right thing....... see if you an get referrals in future ( recommendations ) from help groups..... here....... major universities.... long practicing general practitioners or other.......

I also don't listen ( information ) at all..... i don't find this too much of an issue unless i'm ina classroom and the teacher is purley verbal..... or jumps between modes.... etc......... though it is good to exclude something that might be addressed :)


Try PM Maddasahatter ( click members -> M ..... don't think has been here for maybe a year or more but you never know ) i believe they had a good psychologist who moved near where you are....... ( possibly ) if not i'm pretty sure they would at least give you some good places to start :) There is also ADDults with ADHD NSW who are really helpful and have quite a few contacts...... they really helped me when i was first diagnosed / getting treatment ......

Firestorm
11-01-15, 08:05 PM
The test showed I don't have auditory processing disorder. However they did pick up the problem I mentioned of being able to listen with competing noises, which they said was an integration issue. I will be able to get help with this.

Firestorm
12-27-15, 06:37 AM
I found the answer to my own question! I was thinking about why I have a particular problem listening to just quiz information, and had the thought that the problem may not be the material itself but the text reader which I got to read the text. It doesn't quite sound like a normal human and I wondered if for whatever reason this messes with my head.

In order to test this I recorded myself speaking the exact same text and played it back. My concentration was dramatically better, so yes the problem was the text reader. Any ideas on why this would cause such problems though?

Little Missy
12-27-15, 06:41 AM
No. But I can say that personally I will not and can not listen to an electronic voice.