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LilysGrama
11-22-15, 05:33 PM
Hi all....

My son is 17, he had his first job interview yesterday and it looks like he got the job....YAY.... just needs to complete drug testing. It's for a grocery store....he takes Vyvanse.

I have done some searching and read that usually the testing is done off site and the employer does not even know about the ADHD. But then I have also heard that sometimes that testing (swab) is done right there at the job location.

I am just kind of in a quandary of how to help him with this. He is going into the grocery store tomorrow for training and to turn in the testing release form. I am inclined to go with him, but I know I probably shouldn't.

I am worried about him telling the manager that he has ADHD (if she is the one doing the testing) and then deciding not to hire him....sigh. I know I rambled. Sorry. Any advice is appreciated.... thanks!

anonymouslyadd
11-22-15, 05:52 PM
Never let him tell an employer about his ADD. Only if his job is on the line should he do that.

Do you know how long the Vyvanse will be in his system for?

I've never had testing for that on site. It's always been at a third party location.

LilysGrama
11-22-15, 06:57 PM
What if the manager is the one that does the test? Isn't it better to say ahead of time that you take meds, than for them to find out after the fact?

LilysGrama
11-22-15, 09:35 PM
Also....don't they ask you what medication you are taking before the test? I don't want him to lie and then be caught!?

I am so stressed about this.......UGH

anonymouslyadd
11-22-15, 09:40 PM
Also....don't they ask you what medication you are taking before the test? I don't want him to lie and then be caught!?

I am so stressed about this.......UGH
I was never asked. Ever.

anonymouslyadd
11-22-15, 09:41 PM
Also....don't they ask you what medication you are taking before the test? I don't want him to lie and then be caught!?

I am so stressed about this.......UGH
It is none of their business what medicine he takes.

Little Missy
11-22-15, 09:43 PM
Just get a letter from his doc saying he takes it. He doesn't have to tell what it is for. He's only 17 and it is a grocery store starter job. It'll be just fine.

anonymouslyadd
11-22-15, 09:46 PM
Just get a letter from his doc saying he takes it. He doesn't have to tell what it is for. He's only 17 and it is a grocery store starter job. It'll be just fine.
They'll know what it's for if he tells them.:eek:

Little Missy
11-22-15, 09:48 PM
They'll know what it's for if he tells them.:eek:

True.

LilysGrama
11-22-15, 09:49 PM
His test is at 9:00 AM tomorrow. No time for a letter from the doctor.

Little Missy
11-22-15, 09:54 PM
His test is at 9:00 AM tomorrow. No time for a letter from the doctor.

Then have him tell what his Rx is but not what it is for. It will be just fine.

LilysGrama
11-22-15, 10:00 PM
Then have him tell what his Rx is but not what it is for. It will be just fine.

I think the test will be done by his Manager and then sent off to the lab. So, he should tell her tomorrow? What if she asks what that drug is?

I have to sign the permission slip for the testing....wondering if I should go in with him. Don't want that to look bad upon him though.

Little Missy
11-22-15, 10:03 PM
Just do what you think is best.

anonymouslyadd
11-22-15, 10:04 PM
I think the test will be done by his Manager and then sent off to the lab. So, he should tell her tomorrow? What if she asks what that drug is?

I have to sign the permission slip for the testing....wondering if I should go in with him. Don't want that to look bad upon him though.
Don't go inside with him. It is not their business whether he's on viagra or Vyvanse. Period.

LilysGrama
11-22-15, 10:12 PM
Don't go inside with him. It is not their business whether he's on viagra or Vyvanse. Period.

True, but his test will come back positive for Amphetamines.

So, will the lab just call us and then we get the info from his doctor for job clearance?

anonymouslyadd
11-22-15, 10:13 PM
True, but his test will come back positive for Amphetamines.

So, will the lab just call us and then we get the info from his doctor for job clearance?
I'm not sure what will happen. I had to take a test a couple years ago but can't remember the outcome. I got the job while on Adderall, though.

LilysGrama
11-22-15, 10:25 PM
Thanks all....... this just makes me so sad, for what lies ahead for my son's future. He has plans to go into the Marines and that is a whole nother nightmare, he cannot be on meds at all, and has to be off them for a year before they will enlist him...sigh.

We try to always teach our kids to be honest, but it's sad that at times we have to explain to them it's OK to lie.......like about this test :(

namazu
11-22-15, 11:31 PM
I would not recommend that your son lie about taking medication.

If they are testing for amphetamines, there is a good chance his test will come up positive. Unless he has provided documentation of his prescription, this may disqualify him from the job.

That said, it is awkward when it's the manager collecting the specimen, rather than some third party.

Your son may be able to disclose that he takes prescription medication, but without disclosing why. (Of course, many people will know what Vyvanse or lisdexamfetamine is for.)

There was recently a case in Ohio where a kid in your son's position was fired from a job as a bagger because his manager did not document his medication and it showed up as a positive drug screen (http://www.wcpo.com/web/wcpo/news/local-news/warren-county/south-lebanon/adhd-medication-shows-up-on-drug-test-gets-teen-fired-from-kroger). He eventually got his job back after a lot of hassle.

It's kind of a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation, unfortunately. I don't think the law has necessarily caught up to this situation, at least not to the extent that companies have procedures in place to allow for drug-testing of potential employees while also safeguarding employees with disabilities from what amounts to forced disclosure.

If I were your son, I would bring either a prescription bottle or the printout that often comes with a prescription at the pharmacy, stating your son's name, the name of the medication and dose, and the prescribing physician, and ensure that this information is submitted along with the sample to the lab.

Good luck!

LilysGrama
11-22-15, 11:38 PM
So......I googled and the grocery company does "on the spot" testing with results in 15 minutes?

Socaljaxs
11-22-15, 11:54 PM
I didn't read the responses, so forgive me if already repeated.. But I too live in CA and when a company does a drug test for a grocery store such as Safeway, vons ext.. The test is done off site. And usually they will give your son a list of places to go.. And call and schedule.. Once there you may tell them that you take x medication and let them know what it is that. Is legally perscribed.. If your sons test comes back with an issue, they will call you first to verify this is a medication.. And just make sure ahead of time to let them know and even if they aren't in it, force them to write it,. It goes off to a lab and before they send them they will contact you to verify any medications ext.. Only marijuana right now is the back and forth one.. Some companies test and they don't ask about percription a some of these health sites do.. But if it comes back, they will call you first or son actually first to verify any medications. They grocery store will not test themselves that I guarenttee.. And legally your son has the right to not have to inform employers or future employers of health issues, unless ADA issues such as a phycical disability accommodations are needed.. Plus that won't usually get disclosed until HR day of paper work!

However, since son is minor , he may need by law for you to be present and consent to testing.. Can't remember or not if you need to be or not

Source my god mother works for safeway and I have had enough jobs in ca to have it always the same and. Never differ

Socaljaxs
11-22-15, 11:56 PM
So......I googled and the grocery company does "on the spot" testing with results in 15 minutes?

Legally they can't have supervisor or manager test your son.. It is off site at a medical lab! You need a certain degree and cert to be able to administer initial drug test, most are blood test as well...that the norm of how it is do it.. It is not cost effective for them to have onsite testing.. They random drug test yes. But legally it's always offsite liability issues.

On the spot means you get picked and then frothed eat work after hired, person will be sent to to a lab for testing but it is not onsite.

LilysGrama
11-23-15, 12:01 AM
Legally they can't have supervisor or manager test your son.. It is off site at a medical lab! You need a certain degree and cert to be able to administer initial drug test, most are blood test as well...that the norm of how it is do it.. It is not cost effective for them to have onsite testing.. They random drug test yes. But legally it's always offsite liability issues.

On the spot means you get picked and then frothed eat work after hired, person will be sent to to a lab for testing but it is not onsite.

Well, maybe what I read abou was random testing, it is for Vons grocery store. My older son worked at Ralph's and he was pre-screened at the store. Maybe that is what you agree to on their website when applying?

anonymouslyadd
11-23-15, 01:14 AM
Thanks all....... this just makes me so sad, for what lies ahead for my son's future. He has plans to go into the Marines and that is a whole nother nightmare, he cannot be on meds at all, and has to be off them for a year before they will enlist him...sigh.

We try to always teach our kids to be honest, but it's sad that at times we have to explain to them it's OK to lie.......like about this test :(
There are ways to say things without lieing. Withholding information is not lieing.

You're being a good momma. My mom was virtually out of my life at his age.

Socaljaxs
11-23-15, 01:14 AM
I put a call into my god mother and I messaged a friend of mine that works at a different location for vons/Safeway, when they get back to me I will let you know.. Nit drug test is usually urine not blood, sorry, but at the level of stores, I would be shocked if boss is the one handling urine samples.

And you son should never ever lie about this or anything else.. That he can get terminated immediately for,. Better to be honest if need be, but I repeat to advice him lying is a no-no and even if lie not discovered immediately once discovered it's grounds for termination.. However, don't disclose thing useless mandatory.

anonymouslyadd
11-23-15, 01:15 AM
Legally they can't have supervisor or manager test your son.. It is off site at a medical lab! You need a certain degree and cert to be able to administer initial drug test, most are blood test as well...that the norm of how it is do it.. It is not cost effective for them to have onsite testing.. They random drug test yes. But legally it's always offsite liability issues.

On the spot means you get picked and then frothed eat work after hired, person will be sent to to a lab for testing but it is not onsite.
In all of my numerous jobs, I've never had a drug test at the place of employment.

Socaljaxs
11-23-15, 01:18 AM
In all of my numerous jobs, I've never had a drug test at the place of employment.

Me either. Even when I worked for the city, it was off site.. I mean eww these people handle our groceries.. I can't see urine samples being examined in the office.

LilysGrama
11-23-15, 01:24 AM
Me either. Even when I worked for the city, it was off site.. I mean eww these people handle our groceries.. I can't see urine samples being examined in the office.

LOL......

I think it's a cheek swab.

LilysGrama
11-23-15, 01:25 AM
There are ways to say things without lieing. Withholding information is not lieing.

You're being a good momma. My mom was virtually out of my life at his age.

Thanks!

My husband and my son think I am being completely neurotic and just need to relax. :)

anonymouslyadd
11-23-15, 01:33 AM
And you son should never ever lie about this or anything else.. That he can get terminated immediately for,. Better to be honest if need be, but I repeat to advice him lying is a no-no and even if lie not discovered immediately once discovered it's grounds for termination.. However, don't disclose thing useless mandatory.
He does not have to disclose medication he's on! It's all a moot point.

namazu
11-23-15, 01:36 AM
He does not have to disclose medication he's on!
No, he doesn't.

But the grocery store doesn't have to hire him, either, if he tests positive for amphetamines and doesn't produce evidence that they were legally prescribed.

Given that it's an on-site swab, he might be wise to have some evidence of the prescription with him, so that he could produce it *if* his test were to come back positive. Or perhaps having his mom vouch for him would be enough, without disclosing the details...

Either way, it's not really fair for him to potentially have his hand forced, but if their hiring decision hinges on the drug test results, and he really wants/needs the job, I'm not sure what else he could do (short of filing some kind of appeal / threatening legal action -- and either way, he'd still have to disclose that he's taking a prescribed medication, even if not to the local store manager).

anonymouslyadd
11-23-15, 01:36 AM
Thanks!

My husband and my son think I am being completely neurotic and just need to relax. :)
I hated my job at the grocery store and especially standing in one place at the cash register. I felt powerless in those days. I hope he won't be doing that.

anonymouslyadd
11-23-15, 01:42 AM
Can you have him take a short holiday?

Socaljaxs
11-23-15, 04:05 AM
So yes after speaking with someone that hires and supervises people at this chain store. it they do in fact do onsite drug test. However, if it does in comeback positive, it will get sent off to a lab. Once sample is sent and evaluated at the lab, they look into it a lot closer... and there is when they will contact you about any percription medication.. This route will then get sent back to employees of it being a false negative... And it will clear the drug test.

Another thing, Was recommend bringing the percription with him in case a private clinication does it sometimes verses the hiring manager? This will depend on store size and number of applicants for the day.. I would recommend before going tomorrow am either bring the current prescription bottle, empty(for safety of theft) or go to where you received the percription and get a print out. Or call the doctor and make sure a note is available if needed...

I was told ADHD medication sometimes does sometimes doesn't show up.. She has no clue specifics but said it happens often and it just gets sent off to examine further.

LilysGrama
11-23-15, 02:04 PM
He passed the drug test!!!

He didn't take his morning dose early like he usually does, he waited till we walked out the door. I think that made the difference.

He is now there at training for 6 hours. Thanks again all!!

EDITED....since it was negative, is that it? Or will it still be sent to a lab for further testing?

FogNoggin
11-23-15, 02:38 PM
Drug testing at a grocery store, you're kidding ....right?!?!

At least it wasn't a pop quiz and he had time to study for it.


I won't work at a place that wants my ****, it's a violation of my privacy and human rights.

Socaljaxs
11-23-15, 03:37 PM
If it comes back negative that's all.. They only send it to labs if it is positive. For some reason medications will send positives and other times not.. I think it's dependent on the test developed and some will test levels others not as much.. Like, I've been tested multiple times. And in this time had percription so for opiates such as Norco's and somas and my test came back negative to all.. If something ever pops up its sent to 3 red parties for evaluation .

namazu
11-23-15, 05:00 PM
Glad all of the what-ifs were moot!


Does Safeway do "random" drug testing of employees?


If so, the issue could come up again (and without warning). For that reason, I'd still recommend that your son keep a prescription print-out with him at work if random tests are a possibility. (Don't know if you can count on them always coming out negative if they are in fact testing for amphetamines -- as Socaljaxs' informant said, sometimes stuff shows up, sometimes it doesn't.)

LilysGrama
11-23-15, 05:28 PM
Yes, they do random testing.....thanks for the tip!

He starts tomorrow!!!!! So very proud of him!

KarmanMonkey
11-25-15, 10:05 AM
Most drug tests are sensitive enough that it'll show use of substances that have been used within a certain window (e.g. for canabis, a urine test tells you if the person has used within 48hrs)

So that being said, I wouldn't worry about future testing. If it comes back positive, they'll do further testing, and at that point, informing the lab that he's on medication will prompt them to send back a negative result. And due to confidentiality, I don't think they can give further explanation to the employer.