View Full Version : It is here! The one study that proves everything about ADHD!


scuro
05-07-05, 01:08 AM
NOT!

Did you actually think that one scientific paper could prove anything with regards to adhd? That is simply not how science works. A single experiment will never settle any important debate with regards to adhd.

The methods and findings must be made public so that other Scientists may critically study the results. A hypothesis edges towards acceptance when many scientists replicate the initial findings and do further studies to look at other possibilities. Yet board members post single scientific studies and draw what is typically faulty conclusions because they have no basic understanding of what science is really all about.


A case in point. The following conclusion with a link was recently posted.

"Long term amphetamine usage is neurotoxic and WILL be detrimental to the health of a child"..........
http://www.yale.edu/opa/newsr/99-10-26-02.all.html
"While previous studies show that acute amphetamine injections can impair cognition, our report is the first to demonstrate long lasting-over two years-and possibly permanent cognitive deficits induced by a brief period of intermittent low-dose amphetamine exposure,"

If you know anything about drugs you know that ingesting drugs and injecting drugs create two dramatically different outcomes in a subject. Yet here we have a study about drug abusers in which the conclusions were drawn by injecting Amphetamines into Primates. The board member then suggests that drugs like Ritalin maybe NUROTOXIC?!?!?? Sure it's a possiblity. That study was done in 1999 and you would hope to see further studies replicating the findings and then further studies relating it to adhd, if you were trying to come to a conclusion about Ritalin.

And just for you parents who are worried now about the study, McTavish23 has said. "THE US SURGEON GENERALS REPORT ON MENTAL HEALTH:CHAPTER 3(DISORDERS OF INFANCY, CHILDHOOD & ADOLESCENCE ) has the most complete history of the use of stimulants to treat behavior problems that I've seen. It goes all the way back to the original medication study done by a Rhode Island physician names Bradley in 1937. You can also find that mentioned in You Mean Im Not Lazy, Stupid Or Crazy? and Taking Charge of ADHD.

To quote Dr Barkley, "Stimulants are the most benign drugs in psychiatry." He also said that the "only" was a person with ADHD can become addictive to Ritalin (which remember isn't an amphetamine) is by grinding it and snorting it. THAT CHANGES THE METHOD OF DELIVERY".

scuro
05-07-05, 01:26 AM
and....

A report from the Surgon General

http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/mentalhealth/chapter3/sec4.html

Click on the chart titled grading the level of Evidence for Efficacy and Psychotropic Drugs in Children. Stimulants come out on top for both effectiveness and safety.

exeter
05-07-05, 01:50 AM
Exactly. Simply the fact that amphetamine and methylphenidate have been prescribed for almost 70 years is enough to reassure me of their safety. Any adverse effects from long term use would have to be very very subtle to escape detection in 70 years of research and clinical use.

johny
05-07-05, 09:30 PM
It is said that some people are able to grow out of adhd at some point in their life, also it has been seen that being on stimulant meds increase the chance of this.

Long term taking of stimulants if the patient is on a proper dose (but not too much) will only make things better for them and better for their brain, but you are right! If the dose is too much or some illegal stuff are used to treat they could make things worse (because of their fast uptake in brain)

MillenniumMan
06-08-05, 12:28 AM
I outgrew my ADHD...though was it because I started
to abuse Adderall 5XR I mean I started at Adderall 20 MG
then went to 15 then went to 15XR then to 10XR then to 5XR.
I'm sort of depressed to, might try Wellbutrin...

qinkin
06-08-05, 12:49 AM
My my parents were right to think that I outgrew my ADD. Could it be that I just became BORED? And never really challenged my mind for too long? Falling back into it..Can I reach my potential ever again. Can I make up for this poor decision?

MillenniumMan
06-08-05, 05:53 PM
I like your Yoda avatar. When I started XR...
I found myself reclusing in hiding, that my friend is not good at all.
Now that I outgrew...ADHD??? I'm not sure if I even have ADD anymore...
I'm a creative writer, but I feel different from when I was on Adderall.
I sort of miss it...but I can't take it anymore...I mean I don't need it anymore...
Maybe if I would have taken a big holiday from it I might of still had ADHD.
Some might have thought I turned lazy but that's not it I just reclused
to where I felt well...safe...was it anxiety??? I don't think so...maybe...
I wasn't meant to be ADHD...as an adult...

Ichpuchtli
06-08-05, 06:08 PM
I was reading some of the sites that claim ADHD does not exsist at all and their proof it does not exsist is quite poor. I hope that someone will right a page up on the web With some of the infomation we have here.

MillenniumMan
06-08-05, 08:49 PM
sounds like a good idea to me!