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SB_UK
03-06-16, 01:25 PM
There seems to be a clear association between ADHD and insecure attachment.http://jad.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/09/20/1087054713501079

What am I seeing in ADD kids ?
Immaturity eg here <- quoted before (http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/2538.html)

Developmental delay <- science has been produced which backs this up

Perhaps an increased need for attachment (longer time required) vs nonADDers which could give rise to distress in ADDers if divorced from parents at too early an age.

A different (slower) developmental profile.

I'm looking at a 10 year old severe Inattentive with the behaviour of a 5 year old - still clinging when nonADDers are striving for independence.

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So - there would be a component of attachment disorder underlying ADHD which was (of course) nothing to do with poor parenting - if it's simply explained away by a slower developmental patttern.

Taking 'longer' though to become 'better'

SB_UK
03-06-16, 01:34 PM
Furthermore, adults with ADHD might need treatment for their lack of attachment competences

Interesting that the authors make this point.

It's not the parent - it's the different pattern of attachment which characterizes the ADDer child - the ADDer is thrust out into a competitive, hostile environment before they're ready for it.
Of course school shouldn't be a competitve, hostile environment - but 'Lord of the Flies' shows us what kids are like - all compounded by school which embraces not kills the kid's competitive spirit.

Compete against self not others.

ginniebean
03-06-16, 01:34 PM
This is something I don't see large scale with adhd. I think there are some children with adhd who also have attachment disorder but I suspect it is a small percentage of people with it.

SB_UK
03-06-16, 01:44 PM
This is something I don't see large scale with adhd. I think there are some children with adhd who also have attachment disorder but I suspect it is a small percentage of people with it.

I struggle with the entire attachment story.

My kids don't pay attention because they're being taught at a level which is higher than they're at ie they don't really understand what's going on.
So thy don't understand, aren't interested - don't pay attention - drift off.

ginniebean
03-06-16, 02:24 PM
Attachment issues are about attaching emotionally to the parents. My kids are very attached, were always so loving and cuddly, came to me for every boo boo. The ability to be consoled by a parent is pary of attachment, the ability to feel fear when mom is out of sight, or gone out for a bit, is attachment, wanting cuddles and loving play is attachment. I just do not see most children having disruption in these areas.

I do see adhd kids pushed away, or even disliked by parents, that is on the parents who can't meet the emotional attachmeny need not the child havinh difficulty forming attachment.

ginniebean
03-06-16, 02:25 PM
Sorry for typos I'm on my phone.

DJ Bill
03-06-16, 02:54 PM
I lost my parents when I was 3.5, and I do have some attachment and social issues as well as ADHD PI. It's been a long , long fight to get away from what so severely affected my development.

ginniebean
03-06-16, 02:57 PM
I do understand the struggle and the search for answers. Trauma has a role in adhd, possibly often as a comorbid, I know you to be a sweet, kind, funny, darling of a man. You have done so well. :)

ginniebean
03-06-16, 02:59 PM
I lost my parents when I was 3.5, and I do have some attachment and social issues as well as ADHD PI. It's been a long , long fight to get away from what so severely affected my development.

I'm so sorry to hear that dj, I thought at first it was SB that I was replying to. I'm sure you are also all of those things. I too have early traumas surrounding my early years. I'm told I was a clingy child.

SB_UK
03-06-16, 03:22 PM
The issue of attachment failure in ADHD has never really appealed to me.

Much more attracted to the idea of sensitive child stressed out by the vacuous life the child and parents are made to live. Thrust at an early age into an unsafe tedium which compounds.

I think that the kids are just bored - finding something interesting is not easy.

I wonder whether any child at school is actually interested in anything that they learn from 11 - 18
- of course what is expected of them is relatively easy - but does any child actually care about the subject matter ?
Actually want to know any of it ?

Is it useful for the average student to know calculus ?
or speak a few words of a language rom a country that they'll never visit ?
or 'learn' 1 or 2 books which they'll forget about soon after ?
or parrot learn one small section of history from 1 particular nation's perspective ?

Why is it necessary to ask these questions ?
Because the ADDer's problems kick in at school.

ginniebean
03-06-16, 03:25 PM
Yes, i find myself in that frame of thinking as well SB.

SB_UK
03-06-16, 03:42 PM
Human beings have misappropriated the human mind and used it for no good (literally).

mildadhd
03-06-16, 10:37 PM
Hypothesis: Secure attachment relationships are essential for healthy brain development and the treatment of ADHD.

mildadhd
03-06-16, 10:51 PM
The issue of attachment failure in ADHD has never really appealed to me.

Much more attracted to the idea of sensitive child stressed out by the vacuous life the child and parents are made to live. Thrust at an early age into an unsafe tedium which compounds.

I think that the kids are just bored - finding something interesting is not easy.

I wonder whether any child at school is actually interested in anything that they learn from 11 - 18
- of course what is expected of them is relatively easy - but does any child actually care about the subject matter ?
Actually want to know any of it ?

Is it useful for the average student to know calculus ?
or speak a few words of a language rom a country that they'll never visit ?
or 'learn' 1 or 2 books which they'll forget about soon after ?
or parrot learn one small section of history from 1 particular nation's perspective ?

Why is it necessary to ask these questions ?
Because the ADDer's problems kick in at school.

SB_UK

The secure attachment relationship is the key to helping you and your son overcome these social distresses, by reducing the loneliness. The feeling of being understood for who we are. Supervised free play also promotes development.

mildadhd
03-06-16, 11:00 PM
Discussing about essential secure attachment required for human survival, not attachment disorder.

mildadhd
03-09-16, 10:45 PM
Perhaps an increased need for attachment..

Definitely.

"Could you be loved, and be loved" (-Bob Marley)

People with more hypersensitive temperaments, may find it hard "to be loved, and be loved".

Possibly do to painful memories occuring during the preverbal implicit period of development.

SB_UK
03-13-16, 05:50 AM
The secure attachment relationship is the key ... ...


Problem is - no matter the secure attachment - if the ADDer spends their life being kicked around at school, failing at school, not being able to go onto igher study, not being able to learn a skill, not getting a job, not having money
- then I don't really understand how attachment will help.

I would suggest that attachment would help in a world where the ADDer does not need to be anywhere at any time ie not NEED to be able to perform to a certain level in some academic subject by a certain age.

This paper on decreasing ADDer distress by seniority in any academic year is eye opening.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12189369/ADHD-is-vastly-overdiagnosed-and-many-children-are-just-immature-say-scientists.html

The distress is just not being ready for the level of teaching which is being applied.

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The article above is a clear statement that it's readiness for learning which defines stress ie pushing a child with sensitivie prediposition faster than they're ready to go.

Interesting - HSP - website - suggests - absolutely do not watch the ADDer in a work setting.
ADDer's are auto-didact specialists as we need to 'learn' in our own time.

Why ?
We take longer to learn better.
Enlightenment predisposed

Meaning ?
A more connected form of learning ie to learn by connections and not able to blackbox information - we've covered this under connectionism (eg wikiP).

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Why don't we like being watched ?
Because we zone out when we concentrate - and when we're being watched we're not able to zone out to concentrate ie need to shift mind states from theta into higher frequencies - where we can talk.
Theta EEG isn't compatible with the use of the voice - only writing.

It's well known that ADDers are theta EEG predisposed.

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Proper parent - ADDer child or any child attachment.

Parent - needs to acquire wisdom.
Parents (ie world) - need to acquire wisdom.
Need to operate in a manner which is compatible with wisdom.

Child, then, is free from slavery from Day 1.
And is helped to develop at his/her own speed towards morality.

A completely co-ercive free environment which supports the individual in being the best that they can be on the way to morality.

Why will all of the above result in ?
Proper parent - ADDer child or any child attachment.

Because parent no longer has to worry about the incredible amount of money which children cost.
Because parent will not have to spend their lives dedicated to earning the incredible amount of money which children cost.

Because, however good or not a child is - at anything - ceases to matter.

There is no scrapheap for a child to be thrown on at age 5 years.

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Simplifying - eliminate the need for money for happy survival - and all downstream problems - including poor attachment in potentially more attachment needy ADDer kids is solved.

Are ADDers attachment needy ?
I'd suggest yes - because of a delayed developmental trajectory in that independence is sought a little later than we associate with nonADDers.
Based on watching ADDer children.

Donny997
03-13-16, 06:54 AM
It's interesting to consider. I think insecure attachment could also mean over-attachment and under-separation. I don't think all insecure attachment implies problems in bonding, i.e. length or quality. Even if attachment is made in good enough quality and duration, if subsequent separation isn't also good enough supported by parents, the child can regress and cling to their prior prolonged attachment behaviour (over demanding of closeness with peers and fearful of their symbolic or real abandonment = insecure attachment), fearful of separation and most things associated with it, e.g. self-reliance, thinking skills, executive functions. Thus the child aborts age-approproate cognitive development in favour of now age-inapproproate emotional needi ess, which now never seems to be satiated because of the distorted inita duad experiences.

Looking at if from a less psychodynamic lens, it makes intuitive sense that a child with attachment difficulties would be preoccupied and distracted with those seemingly unmet needs, and show less capacity for concern and attention to other tasks. I think Gabor Mate links the hyperactive child's constant chatt with and disrupting of other kids as essentaly an attachment searching behaviour.

Donny997
03-13-16, 07:12 AM
So perhaps the following attachment difficulties could exacerbate dispositions toward an ADD style: inadequate attachment from the beginning, adequate attachment which is prematurely broken due to many possible variables (mother gets sick or needs to go back to work), or adequate attachment with inadequate separatiom (needy mother unconsciously wants to keep child a baby to cuddle).

I'm sure we'll eventually get to the point where we understand specifically how the above experiences can impact neural development at a time when the brain and psyche is most plastic and impressionable. But for now we can only intuit...

With that said, it's also probably the case that the sensitive ADD child inherently needs: higher quality bonding, prolonged bonding, and increased patience and support in separation than the non-ADD child. The latter *may* be less traumatized if great bonding is not forthcoming, may be more ready to separate and explore earlier, and when doing so may be less demoralized from the inevitable trials and tribulations associated with strivings for independence. So it doesn't have to be anyone's "fault."

SB_UK
03-13-16, 12:06 PM
So perhaps the following attachment difficulties could exacerbate dispositions toward an ADD style: inadequate attachment from the beginning, adequate attachment which is prematurely broken due to many possible variables (mother gets sick or needs to go back to work), or adequate attachment with inadequate separatiom (needy mother unconsciously wants to keep child a baby to cuddle).

I'm sure we'll eventually get to the point where we understand specifically how the above experiences can impact neural development at a time when the brain and psyche is most plastic and impressionable. But for now we can only intuit...

With that said, it's also probably the case that the sensitive ADD child inherently needs: higher quality bonding, prolonged bonding, and increased patience and support in separation than the non-ADD child. The latter *may* be less traumatized if great bonding is not forthcoming, may be more ready to separate and explore earlier, and when doing so may be less demoralized from the inevitable trials and tribulations associated with strivings for independence. So it doesn't have to be anyone's "fault."

I agree with the above 2 posts.

Particularly the need for the child to achieve independence.
The male style (may be seen in man or woman) is often to give too much dependence.
The female style (may be seen in man or woman) is often to give too little dependence.

Achieving independence is important.

The ADDer (I believe) takes longer than nonADDer to fully develop.

Not a problem unless there're not permitted slower developmental timeframes - and they're not - in the current standard educational system.

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How do we get the balance right ?
It'll happen naturally in a world free from co-ercion where we shift from capitalism into voluntaryism
... ... and (this bit should happen naturally from ^^^) education becomes an exercise in imparting individuals with personal quality and morality - for group wellbeing.

So - kids'll have to contribute to their own upkeep by taking part in communal activities - learning skills - learning responsibility - just generally learning by doing.
Ceasing to be a burden and instead lessening the burder.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11360819/Average-cost-of-raising-a-child-in-UK-230000.html

To make a child from a burden into a joy.

All possible if the child need not be any academic checkpoint at any specific age.
Can work their (not need to pay) way.
Is allowed to be as good as they can be - regardless of how good that is.
Makes the journey towards morality.

Within a world in which all people (particularly including their parents) are behaving similarly.

Donny997
03-13-16, 03:18 PM
I agree with the above 2 posts.

Particularly the need for the child to achieve independence.
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I personally believe, though I haven't seen it verified elsewhere yet, that the separation-individuation phase that Mahler talks about is important for dopamine circuits to develop optimally. Maybe oxytocin and serotonin are awakened through attachment, but separation implies motor development, locomotion, refined speech (also dopamine-influenced I suspect; thinking of people on cocaine speaking loudy and clearly), curiosity/ learning/ exploration, completion of increasingly complex tasks, etc..

I think either a predisposition toward low dopamine could fail to spark that developmental thrust to push the child out of the mother's orbit, or a failure of the thrust itself and all its related intangibles could hamper dopamine and pre-frontal development. And then you have the whole ego thing... you can't develop whole self and object relations without adequate separation... and without a differentiated and whole self/ ego comes an associated deficit in executive functioning and other classic add symptoms. And without competence in executive abilities, the ADDer will have to rely on becoming overly attached and dependent on others for assistance. A viscous cycle ensues.

I'm not saying these ideas are true, but it seems to me it could be something neuroscience and developmental studies of infants could explore further.

SB_UK
03-14-16, 11:18 AM
Looking at many kids (in a school) that are taking addictive routes towards dependence and not taking the route towards independence.

I'm still working under the hyporthesis that the mind's role (the role of all people) is to acquire morality (to know what is right and what is wrong)
- and that what school is doing is not driving independence (through morality) but independence (financial) which represents driving the individual towards a form of dependence which is not in the child's best interests.

Donny997
03-14-16, 12:44 PM
Hmm. Superego over ego?

Donny997
03-14-16, 06:44 PM
I don't see independence via financial means as dependent in a bad way. Humans are always going to be dependent on things/ people obviously, so we're never truly independent... a better word might be interdependent, where you become dependent on things/ people from a position of autonomois strength and not suckling greed. So I see idependent striving as really moving to higher levels of healthy dependent relationships, i.e. I don't see dependence on money as inherently bad, as we all are and always will be dependent on resources (money being the current sacred resource); it depends on your relationship to money. Do you rely on it like your spouse to provide fulfillment, or is it simply one means of fulfilment among many others?

But yeah I think education can benefit from being more than a machine that merely churns out specialized worker bees so they can contribute to society in material ways and also ensure their own survival by material means. I think it goes back to Maslows hierarchy of needs though... its hard to focus on moral development when you havent figured out how to make enough money to live comfortably and support your family.

I think thats why education hasn't chanaged all that much over the years..because with all the poverty and competition for good jobs, we need school to remain a factory that produces jobbers, because if suddently we shifted education focus and a generation of kids aren't educated in any trade, nobody will employ them, they wont find any jobs, and so wont be able to pay taxes, etc. and the system falls apart.

SB_UK
03-15-16, 03:10 AM
Thing is - is that the point in life is to be happy - not miserable in a 9-5 from 11 - 65.

Saw a recent survey in that the majority hate what they're doing (school,work).

The human mind isn't meant to be a tool for learning how to do something which pays money.

But which pays 'in kind'.

Pays money - immoral since we're required to foster [and gain reward from] greed.
^^ You can't run these two alongside one another vv
Pays 'in kind' as in - in kindness - and morality is generated - we're required to foster [and gain reward from] a positive, social outlook.

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Sadly society has been generated wholly incorrectly.

We're meant to be gaining reward from making things better.
Not gaining material reward from pretending to make things better (but actually making them worse).

The interesting thing about greed is how all individual know how to play with words sufficiently to make it appear as though what they're doing is for collective benefit as opposed to collectie detriment.

Human beings know that we're meant to be doing something useful for collective benefit.

But as long as a highly addictive substance (money) is dangled in front of us - the stick of greed will always win out over the carrot of making a positive contribution.

The pain from disobeying the stick can be escaped through the individual gaining morality and knowing the difference between right and wrong.

As this occurs - the addictive allure which materialism provides is overcome by 'pain' as the individual can no longer engage in socially destructive behaviours.
The carrot of making a positive contribution without desire to be paid then becomes the only reward system in town.

So
pleasure from materialism (love of money, power) + a personal enquiry into morality -> pain from materialism + reward from making a personal contribution to collective wellbeing

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Just 1 simple idea.

The mind has only 1 task.
To know morality.
To be able to tell what's right from what's wrong.
Which does require some doing - but only in this world where there's such confusion that people (mostly through esoteric languages) have no idea what other people (regardless of whether they're speakign the same language) are going on about.

An academic in English would not be able to understand an academic in Maths - and the other way - if both are in full flight.

SB_UK
03-15-16, 03:31 AM
Exactly

birth - ego - 'only my needs matter' - subjective perspective - we see this in the kid but also in most of the people who become famous eg politicians, actors, singers - very self-orientated

+ morality

wisdom - superego - 'the collective needs matter' - objective perspective

The superego is the transcendental form of the ego ie

it considers collective wellbeing and not individual wellbeing.

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If thought about for just a second - it's clear that considering only individual wellbeing won't result in individual wellbeing - the best way to determine individual wellbeing is to optimize collective wellbeing.

So imagine 10 billion people fighting to the death (trying to get money off one another, where money determines survival) vs 10 billion people collaborating over the top of a sustainable infrastructure (food, shelter, water, waste handling) which they individually maintain through small contibution of their time.

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We've ended up in a world where nobody can afford a child.
The cost of education + food + a home (in the UK) is prohibitive.

The mechanism described above results in free education + food + home by personal effort (requiring only a couple of hours per week co-operative functioning) and the rest of the time is spend doing whatever you want.

Education can shift over onto the Internet to allow people different rates of progression - until the time comes when an indivdual has become so skilled that they need individual guidance.

It's all happening.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/artificial-intelligence-should-be-used-to-give-children-one-on-one-tutoring-a6902296.html

Very easy to impart language and arithmetic using the PC.
Assessments vs computer prior to progression - no shame in failing - just repeat.
I'd actually argue that I've never come across a degree level subject where the computer cannot suffice to take the individual up to a very high level of competence.

Once you're there - perhaps practical workshops are required ?

Even medicine has removed dissection ... ...

SB_UK
03-15-16, 03:42 AM
If thought about for just a second - it's clear that considering only individual wellbeing won't result in individual wellbeing - the best way to determine individual wellbeing is to optimize collective wellbeing.

Re: Association Between Insecure Attachment and ADHD

So
Insecure attachment [to all others] - pursuit of selfish agenda
<- adder disorder as distressful and we're distress sensitive
vs
Secure attachment [to all others] - pursuit of a social agenda
<- extinguishes adder disorder as life is no longer distressful and we're distress sensitive

SB_UK
03-15-16, 03:46 AM
Explain - connectin between attachment (to all others) and social existence

Thing is - is that upon attachment - you derive personal 'pleasure' from the 'pleasure' of others; are defined as havign to work towards the best interests of the individual that you're attached to.

So - I'm simply suggesting that this pattern of behaviour which occurs in atomic attachments needs to extend to envelop the species - ie we need to foster a sense of pleasure/reward from doing the right thing in order for the ADDer (actually all people) to be happy.

Where this entire process - although unimaginable in the terrible world we live in currently - occurs naturally if people and simply realise that the human mind (ie how we should educate the human mind from birth to death - is towards - simply acquiring a personal understanding of morality.

A personal understanding of what is right and what is wrong.

SB_UK
03-15-16, 05:09 AM
The human mind (as it occurs in each individual's head) is supposed to be a fragment of a model which in total (the sum total of all human beings) characterizes a logically consistent model consistent with human wellbeing - at any point in time - to the limits of the current (historical) level of understanding.

So - we could imagine all people to house one piece of a jigsaw.
The jigsaw must yield a picture.
The 'big' picture must represent an image of collective wellbeing which is at the limits of human understanding at any point in time - ie the picture will change rapidly as the combination of understanding of reality and technological advance (secondary to understanding) advances.

SB_UK
03-15-16, 05:13 AM
This is that big jigsaw (on a global level) at this point in time - incorporating all available information.

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/165721997-paper-people-around-world-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=kTBJD5r39Ij%2F4UdmloDuIi8e1hc7C2OR%2BuASUzzC06eN ONTfSVGi%2Bm6BBYtokMlN


It represents species-level attachment.

Association Between Insecure Attachment and ADHDHolding hands is simply a metaphor for all minds being logically consistent with species wellbeing.

You don't actually need to be physically near to anybody.

Simply need a morally appointed mind (through educating the mind in that way) which naturally fields 'right' (social) intention.

Donny997
03-15-16, 09:30 PM
What about the aggressive instinct inherent in man though? I don't want to sound like a Freud drone, but look at the bloodshed over human history. Greusome brutes, we are. Even the most highly socialized persons (from a psychodynamic perspective you might say a compulsive personality) have to perform stringent reaction formation to keep their aggressive impulses in check. The problem in this is obvious - aggression is damned up and it still comes through in sublte ways. It has to as it's a primary human instinct alongside libido (attachment/ sexuality). So to take the compulsive personality, for example, much of his distress is from his overly elaborate defense mechanisms against anger, aggression, rebellion. Highly socialized and highly moral, yes. But unconsciously angry. Sadism tightly bound, but there nontheless.

Human aggression is a dark secret we don't like to look at much.

SB_UK
03-16-16, 05:05 AM
What about the aggressive instinct inherent in man though? I don't want to sound like a Freud drone, but look at the bloodshed over human history. Greusome brutes, we are. Even the most highly socialized persons (from a psychodynamic perspective you might say a compulsive personality) have to perform stringent reaction formation to keep their aggressive impulses in check. The problem in this is obvious - aggression is damned up and it still comes through in sublte ways. It has to as it's a primary human instinct alongside libido (attachment/ sexuality). So to take the compulsive personality, for example, much of his distress is from his overly elaborate defense mechanisms against anger, aggression, rebellion. Highly socialized and highly moral, yes. But unconsciously angry. Sadism tightly bound, but there nontheless.

Human aggression is a dark secret we don't like to look at much.

The study of the mind appears to be broken down into philosophy and psychology. Much of psychology seems to be about 'broken' minds. Much of philosophy appears to be about 'how the mind works'.

I wonder whether we can shift both concerns aside by the simple statement that the mind is supposed to be an individual's guide to morality - furnished through an education or enquiry into morals.

So - we haven't been generate moral minds through Western style education - but minds which're adept at a system - sometimes a very complex system eg the legal system or taxation system.
The problem though is that the mind of man isn't designed to learn a system in the absence of morality but a system which supports morality.

And so - I'd shift all concerns of philosophy (how does the mind work ?) and psychology (how does the mind break ?) ie in effect eliminate psychology and philosophy by simply introducing the simple idea that the human being is meant to gain rational morality (requiring a little but not too much science - to determine what actually is right and what is wrong) - the mind then forms correctly (the individual marches towards and acquires wisdom) and the individual/society - with functional, rational, moral mind thereby do not force one another into mental disease).

We transcend the complex issues of defining mechanism of mind in health and disease - by simply using a little common sense phrased around science to determine a mind in each of our heads which has each other's wellbeing paramount as concern.

Mind of morality -> social reward system
Mind of NOT morality (eg somebody who ia a molecular mathematician or molecular lawyer) -> selfish reward system (driven by power, money, title)

Now - as mind of morality overcomes mind of NOT morality (default state at birth) - reward systems change from 'selfish' to 'social' without the individual needing to do anything.

All of this will make sense - but the bit that will seem odd - is that in current society - the highly technical specialists who're considered intelligent are to be revealed as, as much of a problem as the average political dictator or corporation boss (that behaves like a dictator) ... ...

MORALITY (which as gained tends to wisdom) is the one thing that (eventually) separates us from animals; but we have to learn it.

If the individual (at birth) feeds the immoral reward system ie does not develop their mind to morality - then the individual loses neurotransmitter and hormonal sensitivity (we see this in drug/alcohol addicts) and the path in the opposite direction becomes harder to take.

So - think of an individual who gradually moves towards addiction to alcohol (money,power) - the addiction is so overpowering that gaining more of their addiction is what propels the individual - the individual will be blind and deaf to morality - because they serve another master. Are addicted to another master.

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So ... ... Summarising
Individual/Group education aimed at relaying Individual/Group morality takes the morality-naive mind at birth to wisdom (enforced moral consistency).
The wise mind is a mind which is complete - providing us with the basis to mechanism underlying 'functional' mind of philosophy.
The wise mind create a happy environment for people in transition to and who have achieved wisdom - providing us with the answers which psychology seeks.

But what is morality in simple terms ?
Liberty, egality, fraternity
Simply - a world in which people are motivated by the 'giving' reward system and not by the 'taking' reward system.
And how do we arrive at this transition in reward systems ?
Individual/Group education aimed at relaying Individual/Group morality...
You don't actually need to do anything other than ^^^^

SB_UK
03-16-16, 05:09 AM
Get wiser not just older.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezA2NkzJ6w4

All that people need to understand, across the board, just 1 idea.
All problems resolve if people understand what the human mind is for.

RATIONAL MORALITY.

SB_UK
03-16-16, 06:45 AM
ADHD (disorder component) is thereby

Insecure Attachmentto species by virtue of all individual (and the summation which equals collective mind) failing to converge on morality.

Individual / Collective mind divergence and not convergence on morality.

Acquisition of morality results in shift of reward systems from 'taking' to 'giving'.

Eventually morality builds mind.
Completed mind is said to be a wise mind.
Wisdom = enforced moral consistency.

Once wise, we've escaped addiction propensity
-- formerly addictive behaviours which're associated with stimulation/excitement/blood glucose elevation become aversive - as blood glucose elevation results in anabolic particularly inflammatory cell expansion - and we experience pain.
Inflammatory cells are a good marker of anabolic processes as they're custom designed to 'grow' ie expand - which is why chemotherapy works - kills off fast dividing cells - kills off inflammatory cells first (cancer and hair follicles too).

Naive mind at birth + morality -> wisdom
Selfish reward system ('take') -> Social reward system ('give') with transition above (acquisition of morality)