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Mum2005
01-31-17, 05:58 AM
My son is 11 years old and I think he has ADD. I have thought this for years but have been dismissed by teachers and GP's. He has displayed all the signs of Inattentive ADD from Reception. But because children can have elements of all of the common features of ADD its been constantly dismissed. However when you live with a child every day for 11 years you know him more than anyone. He is very forgetful. He is disorganised. He does not see the point in many toys and never really has such as lego train tracks etc. He gets frustrated when asked to draw.He struggles with homework. He says it hasnt been talked about in clas. But I assume that for work to be given as homework it would be covered in class. He often forgets to brush his teeth or shower if i dont remind him even though we do these things daily. He will forget to put coat on for school. He cant focus on mundant tasks he seems very self aware and self conscious and struggles even with affection to younger brother and often gets irritated with his brother who is 3 and a half rather than play with him. Hes not unkind he can ber very loving. Just a little socially awkward at times. Again as an adult i know this can happen to any of us. But it does now seem to be affecting him at school. Hes in year 6 and will be going to High School Sept. The teacher says she cant undetstand why he isnt doing better in tests as the tests scoresd ont reflect what hesdoing in class. But i think hes simply 'muddling through' and watching what others are doing and masking that he hasnt understood. Then when it comes to a tect he struggles. Does this sound in any way shape or form like a child with ADD? I dont know what to do as teachers and gp have both dismissed the idea however the last time i spoke to his teacher she was coming round a little and talked about talking to a SEN worker. Can anyone help me understand and give me tips on how to cope. I dont wantg et frustrated but its hard nott o when hes never really had a diagnosis. So im not sure.
Thank you xx

Lunacie
01-31-17, 11:55 AM
Sorry you're not able to get a diagnosis for your child. We went through
something similar with my granddaughter. None of her teachers could see
the problem, although I asked at every parent/teacher conference.

Finally, when she was 10, in the 4th or 5th grade, her homeroom teacher
saw that she was forgetting to take her work home with her, or forgetting
to take the book she would need to do her homework, and I would have
to drive like crazy to get her back to school before they locked the doors.
We didn't always make it.

To be diagnosed she needed her parents and two teachers to fill out a
questionaire, and finally the teachers agreed to do that. The GP said her
score was the most severe he had ever seen.

Girls in general, and boys with inattentive adhd, just don't get noticed. :umm1:

Fraser_0762
01-31-17, 01:36 PM
It may also be worth looking into a possible ASD (Autistic Spectrum Disorder). I don't like to make sweeping statements based on a paragraph of text. But what you describe is consistant with what was formally known as "Aspergers Syndrome".

It's diagnosis is common along side ADHD. (Particually the inattentive subtype)

Fraser_0762
01-31-17, 01:49 PM
Girls in general, and boys with inattentive adhd, just don't get noticed. :umm1:

We're like ghosts. The silent stealth assassins..... who just forget the mission brief. :lol:

dvdnvwls
01-31-17, 03:21 PM
HA! I like that, Fraser. :lol:

I knew there must be something behind that constant feeling that I'm forgetting something. :D

sarahsweets
01-31-17, 03:22 PM
My son is 11 years old and I think he has ADD. I have thought this for years but have been dismissed by teachers and GP's. He has displayed all the signs of Inattentive ADD from Reception. But because children can have elements of all of the common features of ADD its been constantly dismissed.
Yes but the difference is, children and adults with adhd are significantly impaired by these symptoms and the impairments are spread throughout all areas of their life. I dont know how things work in the UK but here it costs the schools more money and time to assess and assist a child with a disability and like it or not it can be the motivating factor for trying to shove kids along and get them out of school without adequately providing them with an education. Here, its not that the teachers and staff dont want to help a child with issues, but administratively, some schools would rather ignore the kids who kinda can push through and focus on the ones they see as severe. You have to be your child's voice, and be a pain in the butt. Dont give up.

However when you live with a child every day for 11 years you know him more than anyone. He is very forgetful. He is disorganised. He does not see the point in many toys and never really has such as lego train tracks etc. He gets frustrated when asked to draw.He struggles with homework. He says it hasnt been talked about in clas. But I assume that for work to be given as homework it would be covered in class. He often forgets to brush his teeth or shower if i dont remind him even though we do these things daily. He will forget to put coat on for school.
If he has adhd or is on the autism spectrum he may really think that he didnt learn things in class that he is expected to do homework for. It probably was gone over but he wasnt capable of grasping it.


He cant focus on mundant tasks he seems very self aware and self conscious and struggles even with affection to younger brother and often gets irritated with his brother who is 3 and a half rather than play with him. Hes not unkind he can ber very loving. Just a little socially awkward at times. Again as an adult i know this can happen to any of us. But it does now seem to be affecting him at school.
I agree with Fraser about these points. It reminds me how my sister with Asbergers used to be.

Hes in year 6 and will be going to High School Sept. The teacher says she cant undetstand why he isnt doing better in tests as the tests scoresd ont reflect what hesdoing in class.
Obviously some of that are his issues and some of it has to do with the archaic way we approach schooling by basing it all on tests and performance-but thats another topic.


But i think hes simply 'muddling through' and watching what others are doing and masking that he hasnt understood. Then when it comes to a tect he struggles. Does this sound in any way shape or form like a child with ADD? I dont know what to do as teachers and gp have both dismissed the idea however the last time i spoke to his teacher she was coming round a little and talked about talking to a SEN worker. Can anyone help me understand and give me tips on how to cope. I dont wantg et frustrated but its hard nott o when hes never really had a diagnosis. So im not sure.
Thank you xx

When you say the teachers dismiss you, what do you mean? Do you have a special team that evaluates these types of kids. A department you could request in writing that you want him evaluated? I wouldnt bother spending one more minute trying to get the teachers involved. They are not professionals when it comes to diagnosing stuff like this, and they have and entire class to worry about and your son could be just a bother to them.

ToneTone
01-31-17, 11:30 PM
Trust that mum instinct of yours.

Tell his doctor what you suspect ... and go from there ... or schedule a meeting with a psychologist who is familiar with ADHD ... But start with his pediatrician ....
and you can be pointed toward getting him a diagnosis ... You don't need teacher's agreement for this.

Good luck.

Tone

AshleyTheo
02-01-17, 12:06 AM
Hi, any psychiatrist will put your child on addictive, abusable drugs. Drugs damage the brain, can worsen ADHD symptoms when not on drugs by 24% within just a year (study: http://www.healthline.com/health-news/mental-long-term-adhd-medications-increase-dopamine-transporters-051613, this study's paper healthline describes (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0063023) says "Upregulation of dopamine transporter availability during long-term treatment with methylphenidate may decrease treatment efficacy and exacerbate symptoms while not under the effects of the medication"). Do you really want your child's ADHD to get worse and worse without drugs, causing him to become more dependent on increasing dosages of addictive medications each year? Check out the Amazon e-book called "Long Term Effects of ADHD Drugs" by Asli Theobald which extensively explains the terrible long-term damages your son will suffer if put on meds. You will see the huge fines drug companies have paid for falsely promoting ADHD meds and covering-up their unacceptable long-term side effects. Please don't believe promotional lies told over and over again everyone including drug-company-educated physicians believe are real. Understand why your son may only feel better for perhaps about two years after which you will start observing the accumulated damages which can be disabling. Hard to believe? Trust me, this is no conspiracy theory. Almost every statement is well backed up with clickable electronic references which let you verify every statement if you wish. You can read about the best studied drug free alternative too in this book i took two years to compile after having witnessed what ADHD drugs really do to people in a few years. Good luck.

Fraser_0762
02-01-17, 05:36 AM
Hi, any psychiatrist will put your child on addictive, abusable drugs. Drugs damage the brain, can worsen ADHD symptoms when not on drugs by 24% within just a year (study: http://www.healthline.com/health-news/mental-long-term-adhd-medications-increase-dopamine-transporters-051613, this study's paper healthline describes (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0063023) says "Upregulation of dopamine transporter availability during long-term treatment with methylphenidate may decrease treatment efficacy and exacerbate symptoms while not under the effects of the medication"). Do you really want your child's ADHD to get worse and worse without drugs, causing him to become more dependent on increasing dosages of addictive medications each year? Check out the Amazon e-book called "Long Term Effects of ADHD Drugs" by Asli Theobald which extensively explains the terrible long-term damages your son will suffer if put on meds. You will see the huge fines drug companies have paid for falsely promoting ADHD meds and covering-up their unacceptable long-term side effects. Please don't believe promotional lies told over and over again everyone including drug-company-educated physicians believe are real. Understand why your son may only feel better for perhaps about two years after which you will start observing the accumulated damages which can be disabling. Hard to believe? Trust me, this is no conspiracy theory. Almost every statement is well backed up with clickable electronic references which let you verify every statement if you wish. You can read about the best studied drug free alternative too in this book i took two years to compile after having witnessed what ADHD drugs really do to people in a few years. Good luck.

I don't know why i'm replying to this. But i'll bite, as I just can't help myself.

There are people who have successfully used ADHD medications for decades without any major side effects. It's true that finding the correct medication can be a painful journey for many. However, it's the process that many people are willing to put themselves through in order to get to a place where they feel content.

The withdrawl side effects of the medication are well documented. Everything that goes up, must come back down again and that may mean temporarily falling below baseline level. But this is why having a proper medication plan is vital.

Personally I couldn't care less if i'm below baseline level when i'm not doing anything important anyway. All that matters to me is that i'm above that level when I need to be, when I need to focus on important tasks that could ultimately alter the course of my life.

Without medication, i'm getting nowhere fast. Before you tell me it's my diet, or my suppliments, or my lifestyle choices. You have no idea what i've been through to try and "normalize" myself without the use of medication.

sarahsweets
02-01-17, 05:46 AM
What are your sources? And I mean something other than the propaganda you posted?

Do you really want your child's ADHD to get worse and worse without drugs, causing him to become more dependent on increasing dosages of addictive medications each year? Check out the Amazon e-book called "Long Term Effects of ADHD Drugs" by Asli Theobald which extensively explains the terrible long-term damages your son will suffer if put on meds. You will see the huge fines drug companies have paid for falsely promoting ADHD meds and covering-up their unacceptable long-term side effects. Please don't believe promotional lies told over and over again everyone including drug-company-educated physicians believe are real. Understand why your son may only feel better for perhaps about two years after which you will start observing the accumulated damages which can be disabling. Hard to believe? Trust me, this is no conspiracy theory. Almost every statement is well backed up with clickable electronic references which let you verify every statement if you wish. You can read about the best studied drug free alternative too in this book i took two years to compile after having witnessed what ADHD drugs really do to people in a few years. Good luck.

Sounds like you have a vested interest in these sources to me. Fear mongering never works.

ToneTone
02-01-17, 08:40 AM
Every medication has side effects. Every one ....

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/LIFE/usaedition/2011-08-04-Overthecounter-drug-dangers--_ST_U.htm

There is no research consensus ... meaning there is no significant cluster of researchers who agree with the idea that the ADHD meds create longterm damage.

Yes, there is commercialism and marketing involved in medicine ... So what?!

Tone

Caco3girl
02-01-17, 09:51 AM
Mum2005, in my experience unless the ADHD is EXTREME the schools just want to brush it aside as the kid is lazy, or bored, or whatever. It took me until my son was 13 to finally get a diagnoses of ADHD.

The school tested him, he was "average" across the board. Then I found out that "Average" to them meant that he tested in the 15th percentile or above.....15th percentile!!!! My definition of average and theirs were just very different. They tried getting him extra school help, having a check in person that could organize him...they basically tried everything they could think of that didn't label him as a special education child because that "costs school money and he isn't a severe case".

He didn't know when tests were, or quizzes,I had no idea we had homework in that class, I don't remember the teacher talking about that....etc....these were all common phrases. Finally the school sent someone into the class to observe him. They found that he was only actually paying attention for about 25% of the class. At that point I stopped trying to stay on top of him about his school work. I would still ask him about it, but I wasn't watching him and his teachers websites like a hawk...his 75's turned into 65's, then turned into 55's...I demanded a meeting with the special education department.

I laid out that he couldn't do average work or classes, the reports that he was on the low end of average, his failing grades, had a doctors diagnoses that he was ADHD and I demanded that he be put into special classes with 2 teachers. It took more than a year but it finally happened and now I don't have to stay on top of him about his school work, the teachers make sure he hears when there is test, another teacher taps him on the shoulder to bring him back, and the medicine (after 4 trial and errors) has helped him. Progress reports just came out, he has 5 A's and 1 B....what can happen with a kid when he has the support he NEEDS is amazing!

Lunacie
02-01-17, 12:08 PM
Every medication has side effects. Every one ....

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/LIFE/usaedition/2011-08-04-Overthecounter-drug-dangers--_ST_U.htm

There is no research consensus ... meaning there is no significant cluster of researchers who agree with the idea that the ADHD meds create longterm damage.

Yes, there is commercialism and marketing involved in medicine ... So what?!

Tone

:yes:

Yep. As with anything we humans do, we must compare the risks to the benefits.

What are the risks of having untreated ADHD? Not a complete list by any means:


academic failure
abandoned college and university programs
broken relationships
comorbid health issues such as anxiety and depression
dropping out of high school
employment instability
financial problems (due to lack of planning and impulse spending)
greater risk of car crashes resulting in death or disability
poor emotional regulation
self medication with alcohol or illegal drugs
significant chaos in the home life–disorganization
unplanned pregnancy

smiley1
02-25-17, 05:53 PM
In the UK the GP will not even see you unless you have two letters from different places regarding possible issues.

The next step is a questionnaire to school. I was told by the pediatrician that they do not put much emphasis on what the parents say, they have to have 'evidence' from school. I was lucky we seem to have a good pediatrician, the questionnaire came back from school as no issues so they sent in someone independent to monitor him.

OP are they are issues at school even if they don't think it is a concern? My two letters came from a dyslexic centre, son can't form his letters so I took him for a dyslexic test which came back negative they wrote a letter saying possible dyspraxia. The other letter was from a teacher my son has to get changed for PE in a separate area as he is too slow and can't manage this very well, she wrote a letter confirming this.

I am not sure if my son has ADD (see my other thread) but at least we seem to be getting somewhere.