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NateDEEzy
03-31-17, 04:30 PM
Anybody try and have any luck with nootropics regarding specifically their add pi!?

cobain67
03-31-17, 04:39 PM
NOOPEPT works alright..

aur462
04-17-17, 07:57 PM
I tried one of the "vigils". I believe it was 100mg. Unfortunately, it was undetectable. From what I've seen on reviews/other, it has a strong rating, however.

NateDEEzy
04-23-17, 12:59 PM
Ok guys, I've only used this product twice, but the results are pretty nice. I'm currently experiencing it for the second time, so I'll come back and comment about the rest of the experience to say how the come down is, bc the first time i was also drinking after taking it, so I can't really comment on the results accurately.

Randomly stumbled on it, through a guy named Dan Bilzerian. I follow him on Snapchat (for those who know him, this probably sounds creepy lol) but he is super rich and isn't looking for extra money and he enjoys working out and was going through a variety of products he's testing for working out and of all the ones he used, this was by far his favorite (testing against many of the biggest names in that area). Again, product is a pre-workout supplement, but it's advertised as also producing mental clarity, which it definitely does!

Product producer: Steel
product itself: Amped AF

My Review (mid experience): It makes me a little jittery, but it's like my mind can catch up with my thoughts. Usually when I write, it's like I'm in a fog and cannot produce sentences that flow and read easily, bc that's a representation of my mind. It's always clunky and unorganized. But on this product, I have much clearer thought. Similar to Adderall, actually, but a but less intense. It's amazing how life seems much more worthwhile when you can escape the fog! Either way, again, I'll comment after the effects wear off to give a full review.

sarahsweets
04-27-17, 06:07 AM
This is some info that I think is VERY important when it comes to self medicating with nootropics because they are such a gray area.

The legal status of nootropics is a matter subject to a lot of confusion and contradiction online.

There is a lot of conflicting information about there about whether nootropics are legal which might make you apprehensive about buying these highly effective cognitive enhancement supplements.

Part of the reason for the confusion has to do with the fact that there are so many supplements that can be classified as nootropics and each one of these may have its own policy.

Two compounds that are almost identical in their effects and chemical make-ups may in fact be legislated differently. Further inconsistencies are seen in international laws where some countries may have banned certain substances while others have approved them to be sold without a prescription.

In general, most of the nootropics you will encounter on a daily basis are legal to use around the world. The stricter laws are only in place regarding the sale, marketing and importation of these supplements and are targeted more at suppliers and retailers.


There is a difference that needs to be understood in US law between being legal and regulated.

The legality of a certain substance has to do with whether or not it is a scheduled or controlled substance under federal or state law.

Prescription drugs, for example, are considered controlled substances and depending on their particular status will have a different schedule associated with them.

For the most part, Nootropics like Piracetam, Aniracetam, Oxiracetam, Alpha GPC, CDP Choline, Noopept, Adrafinil, Phenibut and almost all others are not scheduled and therefore not considered controlled substances in the USA.

This means there are no limits to possession and it is legal to use and own these compounds without any restrictions for personal consumption. But just because they are legal does not mean they have been strictly approved by the FDA.

In order for something to be considered approved in the eyes of the FDA (the chief regulatory agency for drugs and other chemical products in the US) it must have undergone a regulatory process. These products also fall into several different categories.

For example, certain Nootropics might actually be considered food products or supplements. This category would not require any type of regulation at all, other than to ensure their safety in terms of spoilage, purity and things of that nature.

In other situations, supplements may fall under the category of nutritional supplements and/or prescription medications. If something is considered to be a nutritional supplement, then it does qualify for regulation, but only in terms of its production and methodologies.

In other cases, they may even be considered as prescription medications, but not regulated in terms of their possession (this is the situation for most of the Nootropics currently available). Others may even be classified as orphan drugs or substances. In these cases there is no actual law against either the possession or use, but it can be a little more complicated regarding their sale.

Do You Need a Prescription to Buy Nootropics

nootropics legal statusThe bottom line is really whether or not prescriptions are needed to buy these supplements.

While the answer is no, at least for now, it should be understood that from a technical standpoint most Nootropics are supposed to only be sold as research chemicals or substances.

What this means is that they cannot be marketed in the way that traditional supplements are marketed. Piracetam falls into this category and this is why you will not be able to purchase Piracetam on places like Amazon and eBay.

However, there are several companies that allow you to purchase Piracetam as a research compound so long as you agree to follow their terms of service. These restrictions really only impact the companies looking to sell these supplements, since there are few regulations against actual purchase.

Racetams, the most popular and widely used Nootropic category, may be purchased and possessed by anyone in the USA. There is no restriction on the amount, either, as long it was purchased domestically.

There is, however, a three-month supply (as defined by customs) limitation if they are being purchased from overseas. What that means is if you want to import your Racetams (Aniracetam, Oxiracetam, Pramiracetam or the related Noopept) from China or another big supplier of bulk Nootropics, you have to buy less than a three month supply at a time.

This is not exactly a clear purchase limit since there are no dosages or monthly supply quantities established for these supplements. However, you should use your best judgment in determining what would be a reasonable amount to import.

Or to save yourself the possibility of these supplements being seized by customs, stick to purchasing Nootropics from websites based out of the USA.

The situation in foreign countries is a bit different. For example, in the UK, Canada, and Australia all Racetams are considered to be prescription drugs. The only legal way to acquire them, since they do not have the proper coding to enter their health systems, is by importation. They also limit the amounts to a three-month supply.

In Australia, Piracetam is actually regulated on a special list and considered to be a “poison” which is comical when you consider that it is less toxic than both salt and caffeine! To be on the safe side, you might want to switch out Piracetam for a related nootropic like Aniracetam or Pramiracetam which are completely legal in Australia.


Are Some Nootropics Illegal?

There are a few very specific types of Nootropics that are actually considered to be prescription drugs. This classification includes Modafinil and so-called “smart drugs” like Adderall. These controlled substances within the US, although their status in other countries may vary. As a result, it is sometimes possible to purchase these drugs online from international pharmacies.

However, this is not recommended at all as you should have a prescription in order to legally use these compounds. Since these are also some of the more powerful and potentially dangerous supplements on the market, it would not be a good idea to order them from foreign sources whose quality is difficult to determine.

You also run the risk of losing money if the drugs are seized by customs officials. Of course, by staying away from this last category, you could certainly buy and use a wide variety of Nootropic supplements without any trouble from the law.

20thcenturyfox
05-26-17, 07:53 PM
This is some info that I think is VERY important when it comes to self medicating with nootropics because they are such a gray area.

But what is the source?

phlylady
05-27-17, 07:13 PM
I steer clear of non-FDA approved stuff personally. I work in the legal field and a couple years ago worked on a case where this guy was taking a supplement that had something derived from a regular garden flower as a workout enhancer (basically it was a legal stimulant back then; it might have since been banned) and died from taking it. The family sued the company that made the supplement. The owners of the company were called to testify, and man, they were the sleaziest guys you could imagine, and their "studies" that they claimed were basically just giving it to their friends and the people that worked for them and getting their feedback. It really opened my eyes to the industry. No matter what great marketing or slick website or clinical-sounding language, you have no idea who you're actually getting this stuff from and if they're trustworthy.

20thcenturyfox
06-16-17, 01:06 AM
The term "nootropics" apparently covers a lot of ground...everything fromso-called "smart drugs" (which may or may not be available by prescription in the US, such as the racetams and Modafinil), cholinergic drugs and substances like nicotine, andother synthetic substances (Noopept and Phenibut are Russian-made and AFAIK neither legal nor illegal in the US), but also includingmany familiar and benign substances like caffeine (yes, I know an overdose can be fatal...as can water), Vitamin B12, and Omega 3's,some demonstrably dangerous or controversial banned substances like Ephedrine, DMAA (Dimethylamylamine), and Clenbuterol.
In a list of about 75 "nootropics" Examine.com, it appeared to me that less than a dozen were prescription drugs and only about 3 were banned as dangerous. In addition, the list also includes "light therapy" "dark therapy" and "music." I've personally tried at least half of the listed items, most before I had ever encountered the term "nootropic."

However this list does not appear to include a large number of substances that are either new or re-formulated stimulants that are (or would be) considered unapproved drugs which often find their way into proprietary supplements for body-building, brain-boosting, etc.

From a very interesting website (not focused on nootropics alone), http://www.supplement411.org/opss/highrisklist.html , which contains specific products, substances and references, it appears to me that the US military seems to be more proactive on these borderline supplements than the FDA. For anyone like me who is not overly impressed by FDA approval, this "high risk" list may generate some ideas for further research and experimentation.

I would be interested in hearing the impressions and experiences of anyone who is experimenting with the newer or more exotic nootropics.
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sarahsweets
06-16-17, 02:50 PM
But what is the source?

I copied and pasted that i think from wikipedia, NIH and controlled substance act, and I think a link from a case study on nootropics and the brain.

Exuberantfrost
07-09-17, 08:48 AM
I take L-Tyrosine in the morning. The effect of it
may not be sufficient in terms of treating my
lack of ability to concentrate but it does help with
getting up from bed and getting started with the day with
a somewhat greater sense of energy.

20thcenturyfox
07-12-17, 12:46 PM
I take L-Tyrosine in the morning. The effect of it
may not be sufficient in terms of treating my
lack of ability to concentrate but it does help with
getting up from bed and getting started with the day with
a somewhat greater sense of energy.

I've also taken L-Tyrosine in the mornings from time to time. My impression is it helps slightly for the first day or two, but is not noticeable after that.

I'm about to try a slightly different formulation, N-acetyl L-tyrosine, reportedly more psychoactive effect. Will report back later.