View Full Version : Is the alfa/beta human male concept rooted in science ?


userguide
08-03-17, 06:24 AM
I know it's a good framework for volves and dogs and dragons, but what about humans ?

I see a lot of claims "be alpha salesman" "alpha male does this and that" etc. in business and coaching literature.

there's also a lot of funny name calling in political wars with ppl accusing each other of being betas :)

Does modern psychology apply these terms to humans ?

Can we made a valid psychometric test to say this cohort is alpha and that is beta ?

I think I will make a poll :)

daveddd
08-03-17, 08:25 AM
Yea. You can measure it with alpha and beta waves

It's predator prey. And a spectrum

aeon
08-03-17, 10:21 AM
Rooted in science? Depends on what science and what you mean by rooted, I guess.

Itís a way to look at the world. A simple way that misses more than I can say, and reduces people to something less than they are.

The only people I have seen who use this framework with any degree of seriousness are under-40 men who arenít getting any.

It seems to be a particular favorite of neckbeards at -Cons who fawn over cosplay girls half their age. :doh:


Cheers,
Ian

Lunacie
08-03-17, 11:37 AM
If you make a poll, will it include more than just the two types, alpha and beta?

How about Omega, Gamma, Delta and Sigma types?

How about females that display the traits associated with each of those?

And a choice for those who realize they (like most people) are a hybrid of two
or more?

mildadhd
08-03-17, 11:50 AM
I know it's a good framework for volves and dogs and dragons, but what about humans ?

I see a lot of claims "be alpha salesman" "alpha male does this and that" etc. in business and coaching literature.

there's also a lot of funny name calling in political wars with ppl accusing each other of being betas :)

Does modern psychology apply these terms to humans ?

Can we made a valid psychometric test to say this cohort is alpha and that is beta ?

I think I will make a poll :)

Maybe Grand Mother, Grand Father , Mom and Dad, ants and uncles, older sister, younger sister, older brother, younger brother, cousins, pets, best friends,employer, employee, coworkers, teammates..etc.



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userguide
08-03-17, 09:10 PM
Rooted in science? Depends on what science and what you mean by rooted, I guess.

It’s a way to look at the world. A simple way that misses more than I can say, and reduces people to something less than they are.

The only people I have seen who use this framework with any degree of seriousness are under-40 men who aren’t getting any.

It seems to be a particular favorite of neckbeards at -Cons who fawn over cosplay girls half their age. :doh:


Cheers,
Ian

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:lol:
I think I am not talkative :)


Hey, why everybody is making jokes ?
Doesn't my question make sense ?

Lunacie
08-03-17, 11:13 PM
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Stop (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stop) being such a (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=such%20a) neckbeard.

(urbandictionary)

:lol:
I think I am not talkative :)


Hey, why everybody is making jokes ?
Doesn't my question make sense ?

I can only speak for myself, but I wasn't joking when I asked if you were
going to limit your poll to such a narrow slice of the concept.

userguide
08-04-17, 08:43 PM
Technically, polls should be narrowed down to work well.

I haven't heard of omega, gamma and deltas. Do they exist ? (the terms)

Lunacie
08-04-17, 09:30 PM
Technically, polls should be narrowed down to work well.

I haven't heard of omega, gamma and deltas. Do they exist ? (the terms)

Google is an excellent search engine, but there are many that work well.

userguide
08-04-17, 09:32 PM
Let's say the male alpha is the captain of the football team in highschool.

The guy who is known he will be the captain.

If you ask boys in school, they know who's the boss, right ?

and boys usually instinctively align around the alpha types.


They also believe he will be successful with girls. He is supposed to.

Now, what natural "system" works in the girls world ?

Do highschool girls have a codeword for the most susseccful, popular girl ?

and those in the second line ?

Or do girls organize themselves in a different way ?

Lunacie
08-04-17, 09:34 PM
They are human traits. Not that different between men and women.

userguide
08-04-17, 09:36 PM
Google is an excellent search engine, but there are many that work well.

OK, I will do the homework later.
I must have been in a cave for too long :)

sarahsweets
08-05-17, 07:23 AM
I think 'alpha' can be attributted to males or females.

someothertime
08-05-17, 09:02 AM
pharoahmoans

ADD.cat
08-07-17, 03:41 AM
Itís a way to look at the world. A simple way that misses more than I can say, and reduces people to something less than they are.


^agreed

i kinda think it's a foolish way of categorizing (and excluding) people.