View Full Version : A new opinion on SCT and why it should be named something else.


unknown3356
09-01-17, 06:03 PM
I Am pretty sure I have SCT.
And I am a ENFP.

I am calling it extreme daydream disorder because I aint ******* sluggish. i AM VERY quick socially. I should slap the ******* who called it that. You are going to ruin my life.

On top of that if this is really my issue.
YOU WANT ME to go around oh
yeah bro your slow. To my family

Go read the bottom and tell me why the **** should it be named that.


I never have been interested by physical tasks.
In our physical world people have only been rewarded with physical tasks.

I might have a different version of SCT that is not being talked about or known.

I want to say SCT is nothing to do with being sluggish or slow.
It is about being so deep within your mind that it is the main thing that you pay attention to.
I do not think there is anything wrong with that.
IN OUR SOCIETY though it is a problem because
Money = physical tasks.
There is no reward from being inside your brain.

Maybe art
Music
WRITING

All creative stuff.


My life has been very hard.

My dad died when I was 5
I was named after him
My aunt has shizophrenia
we have the same bday
My mother was an alcoholic who would belittle me only in front of people
And my grandmother was catholic and I grew up in the grunge- marilyn manson era
She wanted total obedience to her.
And I had to rebel or Id be dead right now.
She manipulated everyone in the house against me
And then the church
I fought against her everyday for most of my childhood.
My mom and grandmother fought everyday as well.

I had no support at all as a child.
I just had video games.
And music
Also when I was younger when I was asked to do tasks BECAUSE I AM A MAN I KNOW HOW TO FIX THINGS AT AGE 6. I would be constantly doing them wrong so I stopped doing them and I just would get rewarded for not doing them.

Though from all of this ******** that has happened to me.
I became social to survive.
I would put myself into negative situations just so I would get some love and support from people.
Elementary school.
I would just be a bully and I would do whatever the class told me to to **** with a teacher

Highschool Everyone knew me
Everyone was my friend
Only like 4 people disliked me.
One of the dudes called me slow.
I would go home and that same situation. Would go through my head.
I would see how he felt towards me and I would be like why would he think that? Is there something wrong with me? Am I that? No I am not that at all.
Did I react right? Did i bother him.
Did i do something to him that he would actively tell me.
OVER and over again.


I never knew why he did because I would pretty much sleep in class and get as.

I was also extremely social.
I always dated girls.
My social life was extremely lucky.
THE extreme daydreamer that wasnt scared to be himself in every way possible.

I had intuition with people and their psychological problems and for every single person I met I had a fix for them. I saw one of my old friends from highschool.
And they said you have a gift intuition about emotions and feelings. You know what others are feeling. I was a handy man with the mind.

To this day.
I will go out and people randomly come to me with their problems and I am that dude who will have their backs while they cry on their shoulders.
Whatever the problem is I have been there.


I do not want to be a psychologist.
I want to be a freelancer of that kind.
I do not want to have anything tie me down.

Also in my life I have been on stages.
I have been in front of big groups of people.
I have been in band and gotten a gold medal.
I have sung in front of a whole church and got applauded just by myself.
Out of a crowd I have been chosen to do gameshow things.
and out of those times I have succeeded.
But at the same time
My family would put me down in front of people.
I have a constant battle within myself.

This might all sound contradictory but it is.

Sometimes best friends of mine would make a joke about being slow.
I never felt like I was.
Since I had Extreme Daydreaming Disorder I never said oh hey I am not like that.
I would just let them say it.
Then I would daydream about what they said. And it is as real as when they said it to me.
When I WAS younger.
I wanted to explain how i felt.
But my family would not ever listen to me.
When I did they told me I was selfish and that other people were more important.

It turned into me not being able to express how i felt. I always had the constant wanting to do that.
No matter who i told in my family no one would understand and they would say it was DEMONS.

I felt like I was better off then my friends.
They ended up dropping out of school and getting jobs and not having close relationships with girls.
I ended up going to school dating many girls and either not listening to my superiors at work. Daydreaming or socializing with every single person at a work.
One day I got written up for talking to customers like 10-20 times in a row. And work for me was never good. I would always just be myself and that would never be allowed at work.

I will never be satisfied with monetary gain
Nor physical tasks
Nor getting any new item in a store.
i WILL never be obedient to another human
Nor will I be to a organization.

I just feel right at home with thoughts in my brain and everyone around me wants me to move around and do tasks.

This has put me at a disadvantage in the world.
I can do physical tasks
I just get so emotionally messed up by tasks.
So much I do not want to do them.
If I do do them.
It is like I go into depression mode and do not want to leave my bed.
I want to sleep all day.
I feel like I waste my life with physical tasks and that I renew myself everytime I day dream.

I have a very hard time explaining what I pay attention to..
I do not get the finer details of everything.

My descriptions for directions are go here go there.
When I DRIVE I just day dream and I feel dangerous.

My mind is extremely random and how I explain things is only the way I would say. I also feel that when I analyze what I do I feel like the emotion from that event goes deeply through my body.
I would try to take all the negative from the surroundings.
Like I said below in this message. I would try to put the negative to the deepest in my soul and I would blame myself for the problems of others on top of the problems that were going on with me.

EMPATHY. I am legit a empath.

I will make up words or use different words to replace a normal conversation.
Everyone is so used to it that they just go with it.
I forget words alot so I use random words to describe what I am talking about.
When I describe things it is the most vague ways I could possibly say them.

When I do tasks It is either I get so ****** off that I I mess up
Or i continually day dream and I stop with what is going on around me.
Or I talk to people and the task does not get done.



My life has been a weird one
Rejected by all of my family.

No support
Went to psychologists
Depressed
Nothing is wrong with you

Histrionic personality disorder
Nothing is wrong with you!
My girlfriend says I act different with every single person or group of people. I instantly click with anyone.
I can have the deepest conversations about emotions intuition and other stuffs but when it comes to doing tasks in the real world.
nope.
Oh and explaining what I see

I act out different emotions in extreme ways.
If my family would fight
Id fight
I would instantly know and act the same way.

I guess this is my way to convey things without explaining them.

When it comes to my sct EDD
my trauma I endured my daydreams would be there.
This could be for any event in my life.
Also my mind will create random daydreams.
I could be daydreaming about playing a video game.

I could daydream about me sitting on top of a mountain and enjoying life but I am just walking down a block where every ******* house is the god damn same.

I will listen to music and I will have a movie that plays inside my head that goes with the music.
I can remember all my day dreams.
But never the real world around me.

My daydreaming helps me. I will be just on google.com having a fake internet search while I am walking. 2 blocks I get to my destination I will realize oh yeah this is real life and I will go back to reality.
Thank you brain for making that go quick.

It seems whenever I get bored I will daydream.

I will watch a movie
and forget about it after 30 minutes.
Half of the time watching it I was probably day dreaming.
I often lose things that I just used.

I was daydreaming during this whole type fest (see I am being creative with my words) and I go over and read things and I have to correct them.

I think deep down inside this disorder has to do with daydreaming and being so close to your inner thoughts that they come before anything else in life.
I had it hard how else do you think i would of survived?

Before we go any further.
I think that my daydreaming has been some of the best times I have ever had in my life.
I have had a good life in how much time i spent daydreaming. I would not want to change that ever. You will have to kill me to make me stop daydreaming. It is me.

WHAT I THINK THE CURE IS FOR EDD
it is not a normal cure.

YOU WANT to know what I think the cure for SCT IS
two things
Setting up a system for you can be rewarded for having thoughts in your brain
IMPOSSIBLE

and meditation.
With meditation you learn to control what you see inside your brain.
I am not kidding you with meditation what do people tell you to do.
Visualize this inside your brain.
People with SCT that is their innate ability.
That might be their deepest goal but our society does not accept that.
It allows for people with EDD to be at home with themselves.
In their best place.

When I meditated
I realized that I could control my daydreams with meditation.
You can change them to be anything.
Since I meditated. I have less SCT.
I control when I do it.
I control how vivid it is.
I have overcome my extreme - self hatred and low self esteem I had.
Meditation has made me realize that this is ok. I am good man.
and if anyone says otherwise can **** off.
I will just go back to daydreaming and meditate to ground myself.

I would abuse energy drinks 10 a day because I wanted to get to the deepest anxiety feeling.
When I would drink alcohol I would want to make myself blackout drunk. I wanted to get to the deepest of sadness to overcome any sadness I will ever have.
When I was stoned I wanted to get so stoned I didnt want to move.
Being stoned makes me daydream so much more and I enjoy it.

My thoughts on this were If I could get to the deepest of my problems then I could move on and nothing could happen to me.
It got worse and worse I got to my lowest point.
Then I found meditation and my life has been getting continually better.


The next step to that is kundalini meditation.
For me atleast


And then the next step after that is ESOTERICISM
and this IS HIGHLY UNSTUDIED AND THIS COULD BE THE CURE FOR EDD RIGHT HERE.
https://www.printfriendly.com/print?source=homepage&url_s=uGGCF_%7E_PdN_%7E_PcS_%7E_PcSHyGEnpHyGHErmBE t_%7E_PcSoyBt_%7E_PcScabf_%7E_PcSbb_%7E_PcSbd_%7E_ PcSCFLpuBAnHG-svryq-znAHny_%7E_PcS






Take this below with a grain of salt.


We need to perfect this completely. And test all these things out.

Also with my sct I have had psychic things happen.
Like
I will say something without even thinking about it. Just randomly blurt it out.

And then it will appear on the TV
EXACTLY what I said.
Then my family will force me to get a lottery ticket.

Or my friend does actually buy a lottery ticket and I ask did he win yet?
And he will win the next draw.

Or I will have a dream that I vividly control.
then When I wake up everything from my dream will happen in real life.

These might all be coincidences so like i said take that with a grain of salt.

TheGreatKing
09-01-17, 07:47 PM
did you ever tell this to a psychologist?

Lunacie
09-01-17, 10:04 PM
Sluggish cognitive tempo (SCT) is a cluster of symptoms that may comprise
a novel attention disorder which is distinct from ADHD. It is characterized by
dreaminess, mental fogginess, hypoactivity, sluggishness and a slow working
speed.

If you don't think that describes you very well, why do you think you may have
SCT? Perhaps you should look into getting a proper diagnosis.

mildadhd
09-02-17, 12:14 AM
Why not keep calling it ADD?



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Batman55
09-02-17, 12:24 AM
Sluggish cognitive tempo (SCT) is a cluster of symptoms that may comprise
a novel attention disorder which is distinct from ADHD. It is characterized by
dreaminess, mental fogginess, hypoactivity, sluggishness and a slow working
speed.

If you don't think that describes you very well, why do you think you may have
SCT? Perhaps you should look into getting a proper diagnosis.

Do you know if someone with ADHD can *also* have SCT? This question has been bothering me for a while...

mildadhd
09-02-17, 12:28 AM
Do you know if someone with ADHD can *also* have SCT? This question has been bothering me for a while...

Yes it also known as AD(H)D. Combined



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mildadhd
09-02-17, 12:40 AM
ADD and SCT are the same thing.



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namazu
09-02-17, 04:08 AM
Do you know if someone with ADHD can *also* have SCT? This question has been bothering me for a while...

They are somewhat separable symptom clusters that seem to co-occur in a lot of people.

People who meet criteria for ADHD (with any combination of symptoms) will not necessarily meet criteria for SCT.

Conversely, people who meet critiera for SCT (which are still pretty squishy and not yet standardized) will not necessarily meet criteria for ADHD.

But some people do seem to have both.

Per a several-years-old-now study with one particular set of definitions, something like 50% of people with ADHD (regardless of diagnosed subtype) met criteria for SCT, and about 50% of people with SCT met criteria for ADHD.

So yes, it's possible to have both;
no, it's not a given that someone who has one will necessarily meet criteria for the other; and
yes, the combination can contribute to greater impairment than either one alone.

But it's still very much an active area of research.

sarahsweets
09-02-17, 06:51 AM
The word "slow"in sct is in reference to cognition. Not someone's IQ, intelligence, or how smart they are.

mildadhd
09-02-17, 07:38 AM
Criteria?

There is no criteria for SCT in the DSM.

The DSM calls it ADHD inattentive.

Not sure why some people want to call it something else?











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Lunacie
09-02-17, 12:54 PM
Criteria?

There is no criteria for SCT in the DSM.

The DSM calls it ADHD inattentive.

Not sure why some people want to call it something else?



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Dr. Barkley has done a video on this, explaining what he thinks SCT is and
how it differs from ADHD.

Mental disorders are recognized and studied long before they get a page in
the DSM.

Maybe google for "SCT + studies."

mildadhd
09-02-17, 01:29 PM
Dr. Barkley has done a video on this, explaining what he thinks SCT is and
how it differs from ADHD.




I have watched the video you are referring to 3 times.

Please note the title of the video is..


Russell Barkley
The second Attention Disorder: Slugish Cognitive Tempo (or ADD) vs. ADHD

The new research expands on ADD (aka "ADHD inattentive" in the newest version of the DSM.)

Dr Barkley is calling ADD, SCT, because he does not like the new name changes made to the DSM 5 in regards to "ADHD inattentive", instead of calling it by the old name "ADD".

It's not the first time Dr Barkley has recommended various different names for ADHD.







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Lunacie
09-02-17, 02:03 PM
I have watched the video you are referring to 3 times.

Please note the title of the video is..




The new research expands on ADD (aka "ADHD inattentive" in the newest version of the DSM.)

Dr Barkley is calling ADD, SCT, because he does not like the new name changes made to the DSM 5 in regards to "ADHD inattentive", instead of calling it by the old name "ADD".

It's not the first time Dr Barkley has recommended various different names for ADHD.



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It's my understanding that there is not a consensus yet on whether SCT is
a form of ADHD or is a distinct and separate disorder.

This is why I questioned your blanket statement that they are the same thing.

mildadhd
09-02-17, 03:49 PM
It's my understanding that there is not a consensus yet on whether SCT is
a form of ADHD or is a distinct and separate disorder.

This is why I questioned your blanket statement that they are the same thing.

The title of the video you are referring to is..

"The second Attention Disorder: Slugish Cognitive Tempo (or ADD) vs. ADHD"

Right?



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Lunacie
09-02-17, 04:01 PM
Part of the title of the video is "..SCT (or ADD) verses ADHD".

Right?



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Sorry, I didn't use the quote feature, but this is the quote I was referring to:

ADD and SCT are the same thing.



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Right now no one seems to know whether ADD and SCT are the same thing.
ADD is really not used anymore, the umbrella term of AD/HD covers it all.

mildadhd
09-02-17, 04:34 PM
Sorry, I didn't use the quote feature, but this is the quote I was referring to:



Right now no one seems to know whether ADD and SCT are the same thing.
ADD is really not used anymore, the umbrella term of AD/HD covers it all.

According to the DSM, ADD is now called ADHD inattentive, right?







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namazu
09-02-17, 04:47 PM
Criteria?
There is no criteria for SCT in the DSM.
The DSM calls it ADHD inattentive.
You're correct that there are no official criteria for SCT in the DSM, because SCT is not a standardized/formal diagnosis at the moment.

There are tentative criteria or symptom lists that are used in research, however.

What researchers and other people are referring to as SCT typically involves several symptoms that are not in any version of the DSM criteria for ADHD (inattentive or otherwise).

Some people who previously met DSM-IV criteria for ADHD (predominantly inattentive type) may fit the description for SCT. Others do not.

Some people who previously met DSM-IV criteria for ADHD (combined type) may also fit the description for SCT. Others do not.

Convresely, some people who fit the description of SCT may not meet the DSM criteria for ADHD.

Although I'm not sure whether or not the symptoms the OP describes would fit most researchers' conceptions of SCT, I agree with the OP that the name "sluggish cognitive tempo" is pretty awful-sounding.

mildadhd
09-02-17, 04:50 PM
According to Dr Barkley ADD is now called, ______?______.








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namazu
09-02-17, 04:50 PM
According to the DSM, ADD is now called ADHD inattentive, right?
It is called ADHD.
A "predominantly inattentive presentation" may be specified, but the main diagnosis is just ADHD.
"Because symptoms can change over time, the presentation may change over time as well." (from link below)
Here are the current DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for ADHD. (https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/diagnosis.html)

The Wikipedia page on SCT (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sluggish_cognitive_tempo) outlines some of the symptoms that are currently being considered in relation to SCT (and whether there is overlap with ADHD).

Lunacie
09-02-17, 05:05 PM
According to the DSM, ADD is now called ADHD inattentive, right?

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Not exactly. When the name was changed from Minimal Brain Dsyfunction to
Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) it covered both inattentive and hyperactive.



DSM-I ... not recognized as a mental disorder

DSM-II, 1968 ... HID - hyperkinetic impulse disorder or MBD - minimal brain dysfunction
(thought to be caused by brain damage)

DSM-III, 1980 ... becomes ADD - attention deficit disorder
(two subtypes, with and without hyperactivity)

DSM-III (revised), 1987 ... becomes AD/HD - attention defecit hyperactivity disorder
(no subtypes)

DSM-IV, 2000 ... stays AD/HD
(three subtypes, inattentive, hyperactive, combined)


Taken from Healthline Newsletter: The History of ADHD: A Timeline

mildadhd
09-02-17, 05:06 PM
It is called ADHD.
A "predominantly inattentive presentation" may be specified, but the main diagnosis is just ADHD.


That is what I wrote, ... "ADD is now called ADHD" specifying "inattentive".

Considering SCT (or ADD) verses. ADHD

Considering ADD (or SCT) verses. ADHD



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namazu
09-02-17, 05:16 PM
That is what I wrote, ... "ADD is now called ADHD" specifying "inattentive".
Considering SCT (or ADD) verses. ADHD
Considering ADD (or SCT) verses. ADHD

People with ADHD (with hyperactive-impulsive symptoms) can in some cases apparently also have substantial SCT symptoms.

People with ADHD who have a predominantly inattentive presentation (at the moment) may never fit the description of SCT.

I do not think that ADD (if by that you mean what is currently called ADHD with a predominantly inattentive presentation) is synonymous with SCT.

Fuzzy12
09-02-17, 05:23 PM
I always thought the name sluggish cognitive tempo was pretty nasty.

mildadhd
09-02-17, 05:37 PM
I always thought the name sluggish cognitive tempo was pretty nasty.

"Ironically", I am sure to the opening posters delight, in the video Dr Barkley mentions he wants to change the name of SCT to cognitive deficit disorder (CDD).

Is SCT the disorder that Dr. Barkley said he made up, or was that a different disorder that Dr Barkley said he made up?

Every time I get involved in a discussion about SCT, I become more of a proponent of the DSM's decision not to add SCT to the DSM.



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mildadhd
09-02-17, 07:28 PM
"Ironically", I am sure to the opening posters delight, in the video Dr Barkley mentions he wants to change the name of SCT to cognitive deficit disorder (CDD).

Is SCT the disorder that Dr. Barkley said he made up, or was that a different disorder that Dr Barkley said he made up?

Every time I get involved in a discussion about SCT, I become more of a proponent of the DSM's decision not to add SCT to the DSM.



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Edit mistake.

Change Cognitive Deficit Disorder to Concentration Deficit Disorder.

in the video Dr Barkley mentions he wants to change the name of SCT to concentration deficit disorder (CDD).




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mildadhd
09-03-17, 12:43 PM
For the record, I still think SCT and ADHD inattentive (previously called ADD in DSM IV) are relatively the same thing. (As far as general labelling is concerned)







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aeon
09-03-17, 01:08 PM
For the record, I still think SCT and ADHD inattentive (ADD) are relatively the same thing.

I think your conclusion is wrong in this case. Also, relatively the same implies their difference.

You have demonstrated a repeated pattern of holding onto an idea not congruent with established evidence, then trying to rigidly map the idea onto the evidence, oftentimes seemingly oblivious to the cognitive dissonance created in the process.

Whether this is wilful, due to a blindspot, or some other reason I do not know.

Ideas, frameworks, and theories describe the world, but do not define it.


Cheers,
Ian

mildadhd
09-03-17, 01:26 PM
Aeon

How many people do you know have the exact same 'type' of ADHD?

None.


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aeon
09-03-17, 01:34 PM
Aeon

How many people do you know have the exact same 'type' of ADHD?

None.

Please don't tell me what I know and what I don't.

It is disrespectful, invalidating, condescending, hurtful, and rude.

You don't know me well enough to know one way or the other.


Shakes Head,
Ian

mildadhd
09-03-17, 01:41 PM
I do not think any people have exactly the same ADHD.






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daveddd
09-03-17, 02:15 PM
Finally, while it is increasingly clear that SCT is statistically distinct from other psychopathologies, it remains to be seen whether SCT can also be identified as clinically distinct. That is, can individuals with SCT be identified and distinguished from individuals who meet diagnostic criteria for ADHD, depression, anxiety, and sleep disorders? If these individuals can be identified, the unique nature of SCT can be articulated from a clinical viewpoint that is currently absent. If these individuals cannot be identified, it raises questions as to the distinctiveness of SCT. Studies using a clinical interview to assess SCT85 would be highly valuable in addressing this issue.
Should SCT be conceptualized as a distinct psychiatric disorder?
It has been argued that SCT may be its own psychiatric disorder3,4. Do results of our review support this possibility? In short, it is simply too early to tell. There are many issues related to this possibility that have yet to receive any empirical scrutiny at all, and several other issues have been examined in only a handful of studies. Most of these studies have been conducted by a small group of investigators, making replication from other research groups an important consideration.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4764798/



who knows

personally, and this may sound funny. I think the biggest drawback would be the name

the name is just to broad to describe a medical disorder and will add a ton of fuel to the anti -science types who say "everybody has x and z"

IMO, they need to hold off until a solid reasoning that sluggish cognitive processing is a stand alone phenomena (which i think they are doing)

unknown3356
09-03-17, 03:25 PM
did you ever tell this to a psychologist?

I just found out what SCT was 2 days ago or something. I looked up excessive daydreaming and it brought me there. Mine might be maladaptive daydreaming. I do not do it for hours its more like I will be doing something quick minute daydreaming and then I go back to doing what I was doing. Like I said I want to be myself till the end of time I do nto want any person to change my daydreaming. I see it as useful for myself.
It might of been caused by my constant struggles when I was a child.

With the meditation I have learned to control it but sometimes I like to let it run its freecourse

unknown3356
09-03-17, 04:08 PM
Sluggish cognitive tempo (SCT) is a cluster of symptoms that may comprise
a novel attention disorder which is distinct from ADHD. It is characterized by
dreaminess, mental fogginess, hypoactivity, sluggishness and a slow working
speed.

If you don't think that describes you very well, why do you think you may have
SCT? Perhaps you should look into getting a proper diagnosis.


Dreaminess
Check.
I daydream all the time
Mental fogginess
I do not have confusion but I forget things I just put down.
In our boring society
I have to force myself to pay attention
So I am horrible at paying attention.
You ask me details and patterns and I will give you my daydreaming creativity and emotional feeling.
I am very social
But I do stutter and screw up pronunciations for 2 reasons
One sometimes I forget the word that I am thinking about so I create a word which other people understand because I have been speaking like that since the beginning of time.
I am rebelling against the language I speak anyways. I do not really feel like this society is the be all end all so I create my own things for my freedom to do so.
Even with this I connect with my peers probably better then most.


Working speed.
Physical things **** me off
I am a dude and when I was younger my family would be like
OH YOUR 6 YEARS OLD
YOUR A MAN
FIX THIS PROBLEM AND THIS PROBLEM
id try to do it and they would not be happy I just got yelled at again.
So I just was like **** it ignored it and did something else.

Also when I was younger my family never engaged with me in a physical manner like going outside to play. I never wrestled around with the dudes. Never worked with my hands. Where most guys my age did. Hugs and kisses and I never got I love you or if i did it all felt extremely not real like they are just doing this to act like they care.


If people are fighting I will be the most passive person and I will go into without thinking anything of it and calm both people down.

All balls
But very passive and wanting everything to be good between others.

Sometimes people accepted this and said how do you calm people down.
Other times usually the closest of my friends would be like
That is such a girlish thing to do.
Why care about emotions and calming down people.
Other times I will get engaged and act crazier then both of them and scare both of them not to fight.

I am not really a fighter been in like 3 fights in my life.
I am very passive.

my family just sent me to social versions of physical things
like every single sport.
Where I wasnt interested.
I didnt care
I thought it was stupid.
My brain was like
So your telling me that you chase a ball around and throw a ball in a hoop and I am supposed to enjoy this.
I didnt ever sugar coat it I told it how it is.
Coaches would get upset.
They would reprimand me.
So I would get passed the ball and just give it to the other team.
I kept getting reprimanded so I would just keep on doing that till eventually they didnt let me play and I was happy just watching and daydreaming.
My family was a bunch of sports heads so it goes with that as well.
They would also do you know
Things that ONLY my family would do in front of people.



Every single institution I was brought into has failed me.
Nor did they take the time to actually understand. They were ok Next. This one has failed. We need to go to the next one. I learned that my myself is the best institution I will ever have and I have gotten rid of the self hatred. Self blame. My own self will never leave me. It will never judge me. It will never tell me what to be or what to do. It will unconditionally love me.


I was born into a household of just women. I was the first male.

And I was not allowed to have emotions.
Family was very cold.
Could not even have a conversation with my family.
They would just assume things. And Think since I was born
I KNEW EVERYTHING.

This was my mom and grandma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5A76PCX9yg
Combined with disorganized parenting
Combined with oh buy ITEMS and you will be happy!!!
Combined with authoritarian extreme parenting.

My mom didnt act like a mom
She would fight with my grandmother
Screaming at thte top of their lungs
destroying **** in the house.
then my grandmother would take control
This went on from age 1 till my grandmadied when I was like 22.

No matter what she would do to me it was fine.
And my mother never stood up for what happened.
And instead said I was the issue and problem.

My sister
Was obedient to my grandmother
and was part of the church.
She became an actress in highschool and was successful in sports.

They thought oh since it worked with her its going to work with him.
So punish punish punish punish.
It never worked.
it got more extreme.

They are like he is screwed he is the devil

Then they made my brother obedient and brainwashed him to hate me.
They would reward my brother for attacking me while all the family attacks me in the same time.
My sister though showed me the music and was there for me but not for much.


I was chock full of emotions.
They wanted me to be a certain way
Act a certain way.

I could not handle it
I am my own person.

Anyone would of done the same in my situation.
Actually one time a psychologist is like it is nt you thats the problem its your family keep on doing what your doing and you will be ok.

That was my first psychologist.

When I get into something though I get hyped up about it
Hyperactive well used to.
Now much doesnt interest me.
I almost love what I get into.
But it doesnt stop me from daydreaming.

I cannot fake my interests like other people
I will not fake myself for another person.

unknown3356
09-03-17, 04:09 PM
They are somewhat separable symptom clusters that seem to co-occur in a lot of people.

People who meet criteria for ADHD (with any combination of symptoms) will not necessarily meet criteria for SCT.

Conversely, people who meet critiera for SCT (which are still pretty squishy and not yet standardized) will not necessarily meet criteria for ADHD.

But some people do seem to have both.

Per a several-years-old-now study with one particular set of definitions, something like 50% of people with ADHD (regardless of diagnosed subtype) met criteria for SCT, and about 50% of people with SCT met criteria for ADHD.


So yes, it's possible to have both;
no, it's not a given that someone who has one will necessarily meet criteria for the other; and
yes, the combination can contribute to greater impairment than either one alone.

But it's still very much an active area of research.


I am a bunch of things.
I will post them later.

unknown3356
09-03-17, 04:15 PM
The word "slow"in sct is in reference to cognition. Not someone's IQ, intelligence, or how smart they are.

It was never said by my family.
It was only like a subtle joke from people like someone would call me grandpa and I just wouldent get it.
Or it would be one ******* out of 100 and he would announce it to everyone but no one would say anything like that.

She would then flirt with me and be like hehe.
I know the flirting but
I do not know why someone would call me a grandpa.

I attracted girls who would like to be physical because I never wanted to be so they would get sticks and poke me and push me and it annoy me and id tell em go away.

More about my relationships later with girls.

I never was a joking type.
I wanted to just be emotional
And talk deeply about things
Super serious.

IQ
I think mine was 115 - 130???? or something like that


I just do not have motivation.
And I cannot hide it to the point where the most extreme version of it is seen.
I would not care about school and do good.
But go home and party get drunk.
alot of people could not do that But I could do both.

unknown3356
09-03-17, 04:17 PM
Criteria?

There is no criteria for SCT in the DSM.

The DSM calls it ADHD inattentive.

Not sure why some people want to call it something else?










M


I just say I daydream and since our world is physical there is no reward for someone who is deep within their brain.

I guess that is illegal in consumer america!

I should just move to india or tibet and study meditation

unknown3356
09-03-17, 04:19 PM
Aeon

How many people do you know have the exact same 'type' of ADHD?

None.


M


Please don't tell me what I know and what I don't.

It is disrespectful, invalidating, condescending, hurtful, and rude.

You don't know me well enough to know one way or the other.


Shakes Head,
Ian

Hugs both of you guys please no fighting.

mildadhd
09-03-17, 04:25 PM
4. Biological factors The lack of studies examining biological factors in relation to SCT is a notable gap in the available research...

...there are some domains that remain unexamined and in none of these domains is there overwhelmingly convincing evidence to support the diagnostic validity of SCT.

ADD or SCT or CDD = Check ADHD inattentive.





M

unknown3356
09-03-17, 05:14 PM
Finally, while it is increasingly clear that SCT is statistically distinct from other psychopathologies, it remains to be seen whether SCT can also be identified as clinically distinct. That is, can individuals with SCT be identified and distinguished from individuals who meet diagnostic criteria for ADHD, depression, anxiety, and sleep disorders? If these individuals can be identified, the unique nature of SCT can be articulated from a clinical viewpoint that is currently absent. If these individuals cannot be identified, it raises questions as to the distinctiveness of SCT. Studies using a clinical interview to assess SCT85 would be highly valuable in addressing this issue.
Should SCT be conceptualized as a distinct psychiatric disorder?
It has been argued that SCT may be its own psychiatric disorder3,4. Do results of our review support this possibility? In short, it is simply too early to tell. There are many issues related to this possibility that have yet to receive any empirical scrutiny at all, and several other issues have been examined in only a handful of studies. Most of these studies have been conducted by a small group of investigators, making replication from other research groups an important consideration.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4764798/



who knows

personally, and this may sound funny. I think the biggest drawback would be the name

the name is just to broad to describe a medical disorder and will add a ton of fuel to the anti -science types who say "everybody has x and z"

IMO, they need to hold off until a solid reasoning that sluggish cognitive processing is a stand alone phenomena (which i think they are doing)

I would say that
I have a mixture
I refuse to call sct sct

It is extreme daydreaming disorder.
EDD
i answered what I said in a earlier post.
I apologize it be silyl to type it in again.


Rebellion
because of very controlling adults.

Histrionic
Attention seeking
Family refused to give me postitive so I had to go out of my way to get attention
Constant seeking of reassurance or approval
Everything I have ever done was wrong
SO now I need to tell people that I am going to do something in order for me to have the confidence to do something.

example.
I am insecure about meditation.
Deep down inside I know it works for me
But I still need to get a external or atleast tell someone
Ok
Tells brother im going to do it.
Why you telling me that ****.

goes on about the real world and how meditation is not real and that money is the only goal and you will die if i do not go for it.

Excessive sensitivity to criticism or disapproval
This happens in daydreams.
And anxious thoughts.


Rapidly shifting emotional states that may appear superficial or exaggerated to others
Yep.
That is one of my intuitions.

People have called me not true with my emotions and exaggerated.
I act different around different people.
I play a part with every group.

This goes more now a days with my empathy.
I try to not show externally how I feel. But Instead I feel what the people around me feel instantly.

Example.
I went to my gfs grandmas funeral

I had to leave to go to the bathroom to cry when I NEVER MET her.

Tendency to believe that relationships are more intimate than they actually are
Yep.
I meet someone new
I feel like their best friend.
But at the same time afraid to get close.
When I get close I run away and find a new person.
My old friends get ****** im ignoring them.

Making rash decisions[4]
YEP.

Being easily influenced by others, especially those who treat them approvingly
yep

Emotions
balh blah blah
dramatic

Schizoid.

Asexual part of that.
I do not really care for sex. But I will do it. But I do enjoy it. Low sex drive.

Indifference to social norms and conventions.
Explain what was normal about my life first.

Preoccupation with fantasy and introspection.
hmmm.
video games
daydreaming
and inner thought.

But this was good
Not bad and detrimental as a shizoid would be.
This is all enjoyable

Schizotypal.
Vague, circumstantial, metaphorical, over-elaborate or stereotyped thinking, manifested by odd speech or in other ways, without gross incoherence;

I explained

Anti-social
failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;

Everything I have done was rebellion towards helping myself get away.
Or help my situation around me.
I have not been arrested.
This could of bloomed into something worse in highschool.

like my brother in law who is a cop said
I was gay, going to be a gangbanger, on drugs, or homeless or all of them.

impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
I cannot be organized
It is the death to me.

deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
I do not want profit or pleasure.
I had to deceive for survival.

irritability and aggressiveness,
Physical tasks anyone?

reckless disregard for safety of self
When I was younger
I would always end up with people that would do reckless ****.
Life was boring.
I never got hurt. And I would never hurt anyone else.

consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
work was growing up.

Borderline.
Everything but self harm
I never thought of hurting myself
Nor hurting others.

and
quarrelsome behavior
I would be the calmer downer.

Narcissistic personality disorder
Needing constant admiration from others

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoidant_personality_disorder
All of these expect self harm
and
shyness
and inferiority

Remember I have balls and no filter with people people do not scare me.

Dependant
subordination of one's own needs to those of others on whom one is
Did this with my peers.
Did not do this with family.

dependent, and undue compliance with their wishes;
Did this with my peers
Did not do this with my family.

unwillingness to make even reasonable demands on the people one depends on;
I will never own a corporation
feeling uncomfortable
So much I had to go to new people.

preoccupation with fears of being abandoned by a person with whom one has a close relationship,
Taking care of myself I can do.
BUt this



**** the rest of those ******* qualities onto the next diseas.e

OCPD

I am anti this disease because I was raised by it I think as well as narcissistic dependant



The problem is
I never had a connection to myself.
And the meditation has allowed for me to flourish with all these flaws.

I think I daydreamed to create a better reality because I was so hopeless.
Music
entertainment
video games were my family
till i met my peers
and they were my family.

I have a lot of contradictions
I apologize.

My relationships with women.
I liked every single woman I saw.
Either one for their hair their eyes.
It was all superficial.
I got addicted to talking to as many as i possibly could.
iF I didnt get attention from one.
I would have 5 more that I could grab attention to.

This ended up me losing a ton of great potentials for relationships.
I just thought oh since I will have a gf they will fix my problems.
I would be in love with someone for a day
Then Id be bored the next day

Date a girl for a week
Try to date her friend the next week
And then date their other friend the week after that.
I get really close really quickly.
I dont know.

But as soon as i get to close its time to run.

I always would get asked out.
I would not show my emotions and girls would ask me out.
I always would attract tomboys.
Or very extremely sweet/dominant girls mixed.

I am happy with my gf of 4 years
It broke that attention cycle
I went back to my old ways a few times but she stayed with me and thats What i needed to grow.


I am not hopeless anymore I actually got a decent job its just sometimes I will have daydreams of the past as real as they were. My brain keeps on wanting to fix my families problems. While trying to suck the problems up and putting it in me with empathy.

It is not time for me to rely on the external radar of emotion I have it is time to heal myself and heal others as I move on. If others want to heal me like you guys are doing right here. I thank you.
I thank all of you for paying attention to me.


Another weird fact about me is
Whenever I would write
Teachers would always make me go in frnt of the class and read it out
I refuse to use perfect grammar

I did that like 10-15 times in my life in highshcool and in college.

I do write now a days and I am going to continue working on that.
But my main goal is meditation
Esoteric stuff.
And freedom.



If you want me me me me to answer any questions (mes were daydreaming)
Please ask before I type another 3 hours about random *** **** that I do not know when to stop.

I need specific questions

Lunacie
09-03-17, 05:30 PM
I do not think any people have exactly the same ADHD.






M


Just because adhd and SCT (or CDD) share some symptoms doesn't mean
they are part of the same diagnosis.

After all, autism and bipolar share a lot of symptoms with adhd, but they're
considered separate and different disorders.

I'm not sharing an opinion either way, I'm waiting to hear what the experts
decide.

unknown3356
09-03-17, 05:51 PM
I will see you guys later I hope the argument about all of this stops and we get to the bottom of it I wish you all a good day night! I had to edit this post because I daydreamed and I forgot to add a good day night. ill see you soon.

daveddd
09-03-17, 10:15 PM
just an interesting note

i noticed a comment about barkley making up sct (the name at least)

he did not make it or discover it

it was benjamin lahey in 1986 who first noticed it

again with PDs goin axis one, i wonder if some of these things will link up, say SCT and schizoid as a random example

https://books.google.com/books?id=Ad2Cm_h1gZMC&pg=PA337&dq=sluggish+cognitive+tempo+lahey&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjrnqi6uIrWAhUF7iYKHaYAD48Q6AEIPDAE#v=on epage&q=sluggish%20cognitive%20tempo%20lahey&f=false

mildadhd
09-03-17, 10:17 PM
I will see you guys later I hope the argument about all of this stops and we get to the bottom of it I wish you all a good day night! I had to edit this post because I daydreamed and I forgot to add a good day night. ill see you soon.

I am not arguing, it's my opinion.

In my opinion...ADD or SCT = ADHD inattentive.

Goodnight

See you later.

Edit, you mentioned RAD, in my opinion ADHD can be a morbidity of separation anxiety, like ADHD can be a morbidity of autism, etc.










M

Batman55
09-04-17, 01:11 AM
I can't read the whole wall of text and so I don't know everything about you. I looked for some of the concrete information and literal facts you presented.

The question is, why does it even matter? I'm not sure what your difficulty in life is but you mention extroversion, you mention multitasking, you mention partying and excelling in school (concomitantly, not something ADHDers are good at!) you mention any number of relationships with women and your ability to socialize with ease.

May I remind you most of these qualities are things that ADHD folks tend to struggle with. Of course you will see many exceptions, but this is a general rule of thumb.

I mean, I look at what you're able to do and only feel envy.

I guess my overall point is.. if you function well enough... does it truly matter what you have or don't have? You said you don't like labels, you don't like the SCT label. Okay then, feel free to discard it: if you don't have social, academic, or even occupational difficulty? then carry on, mate, and I'm not exactly trying to be rude. (Envious? Heck yeah.)

You have no idea what I would do to have a single proficiency in any domain that exists on this earth, or to be able to socialize better than an 11 year old kid on my best days, or to be able to take a single class at any college in existence (including the worst ever) and get through it. Comparatively, you've got loads going on for you.

Lunacie
09-04-17, 10:25 AM
The title of the video you are referring to is..

"The second Attention Disorder: Slugish Cognitive Tempo (or ADD) vs. ADHD"

Right?



M

Did we watch the same video?

In the one you reference by title Dr Barkley explains that in the DSM-V they
have eliminated the designations for 3 types of adhd.

Now they are considered to be different presentations of the same disorder,
that some days we may be more hyperactive and a month later may be more
inattentive.

I would compare that to different presentations of autism, with some being
non-verbal and others being able to speak and communicate to some extent.

So there is no Inattentive Type adhd to compare or equate SCT with.

He says that SCT is different enough from any presentation of adhd, including
inattentive presentation, that it deserves it's own notation in the DSM.

He does understand why that was not done in the DSM-V as they want more
research first, but research that has been done certainly suggests that SCT is
a distinct and separate disorder.