william tell
07-04-05, 12:19 AM
I do ,I found something today that changed who I am
do any of you ?
do any of you ?
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View Full Version : does anyone believe in miracles william tell 07-04-05, 12:19 AM I do ,I found something today that changed who I am do any of you ? Imnapl 07-04-05, 12:27 AM Yes. I am also a great fan of serendipity. whiteraven 07-04-05, 01:18 AM Yes. So. Are you gonna tell us the story, or what?! (waiting with bated breath...) FightingBoredom 07-04-05, 09:13 AM Yes, I believe in miracles, serendipity, and being able to also manifest your own destiny. What miraculous thing happened that changed your life WT? william tell 07-04-05, 09:29 AM No story ,Just an epiphany ,I have been in such a daze ,sucicidal ,manipulative, coniving, bitter and this has been making me ill ,I have dropped about 30lb.s from 160 to to 130 and just could 'nt understand what was happening to me .I thought I was doing all the right things but I have been obssesing and had'nt been able to sleep ,weep or to cleanse my soul and I stumbled on to something that I would never have looked at before and realized that the whole reason that all of of this happened was because emotionally I did"nt have the skills to be married or even a good parent and especially to deal with grief. I hav'ent wept in over 10 yr.s and the emotion controlling that had become my life had made me very shallow .I controlled anger and it made me sick. I didn't know it was even happening, I could'nt see it .and to find it was an oh my god experiance and I wept uncontrolably .It is probably the the poor self observvation skills but I feel I'm on the correct path now , a fundimental self discovery fasttalkingmom 07-04-05, 10:01 AM I have two miracles, I know it's corny but it true :o FlyGurl 07-05-05, 03:56 PM I believe in signs, fait, everything like that I look for signs to see what I'm supposed to do next (corny I know) Sometimes thats my only guiding light. Miracles are an important part of my life... FightingBoredom 07-05-05, 05:37 PM Yeah, but when you hear or see the signs do you comply? For example, I was in a store yesterday and I heard this kid behind me joking about drinking TOO much caffeine and how it was bad for his heart. He was maybe 16 yo. I realized last night that was a message for me. I got it loud and clear: stop drinking caffeine or something will happen to your heart that is bad. Do I listen? Nope: I'm off to the store to buy some Mountain Dew to help get rid of the migraine that I have bc I tried to stop drinking caffeine today! chain 07-05-05, 07:21 PM These funky models that came to me are a perfect example of that! You guys on here get to see the fruit of this...sorry about that :) I had a vision that had no words associated...it asked me...do you really understand culture? I then imagined what it would be like not to understand culture...and it described me. This was last November and it is driving me nuts...every answer has another question that I need to answer that points back to the original idea. First Internal Reference Then, Why Internal Reference? Then, What other types? Then how does this work in the brain? Then why do I have so many Narcissists in my family? Then 2 types went to 4 Why are there 4 types? Why Aspergerger's 4 types went to 2 main types with 4 sub-types each Then how to describe ADHD became clear Now the models have settled and are highly predictive. What a ride...all based on serendipity! Where would we be without it? Gourmet 07-05-05, 07:37 PM Revelations, epiphanies, miracles, enlightenment, the grace of God.....surprise parties. You could never convince me otherwise. Miracles happen. ~gourmet~ Imnapl 07-05-05, 07:48 PM I have two miracles, I know it's corny but it true :o Definitely not corny and giving life is indeed a miracle. Nova 07-09-05, 04:14 AM YEP, YEP AND MORE YEP !! I view them as being aware of synchronistic events, though, as they unfold. But YEP. I believe in causal events, which happen, to enhance our *life*. Nova speedo 07-10-05, 11:32 AM I want to say that I believe in miracles, but I'm really too pragmatic, and probably too cynical to honestly say that I do. :p I understand synergy, I can see synchrosity, and I appreciate serendipity BUT...After witnessing far-too-many tragedies, I just don't usually see miracles as a possible outcome. :eek: I guess I AM getting to be far too cynical, and I wish I felt differently about it all. :( Me :D Nova 07-11-05, 03:24 AM You can't view 'miracles' in the sense of how they appear to others, sweetie. Only as they appear to you. And I know, you're observant enough to know when *things* happen, to you. It's pretty cool when you pay attention enough, and realize, they all happen, as they're meant to do, at exactly the 'right time' Nova motorbrain 07-11-05, 05:06 AM I believe in 'em. Just never seen one. Gourmet 07-11-05, 06:22 AM Miracles of the everyday.......a flower, the birth of a baby. Maybe it is the definition of miracle that is in question. Today the sun came up....we are alive. Everything can speak passionately to your heart if you will listen. If you are speaking of a sudden healing or some event that blows your mind....then I believe the miracle comes when fear is replaced with love. It is not so much what happens outside as what happens to you on the inside. ~gourmet~ T-Bass 07-11-05, 09:22 AM I believe in life, that we come here to suffer to show our love for God, which of course comes with a reward, I do believe in miracles, only cause God makes them happen. T-Bass MafiaKiddo 07-11-05, 07:09 PM I believe in Miracle Whip :D william tell 07-11-05, 11:30 PM yes ,I believe you are right ,sometimes you cannot see untill you are ready to see ....or something is placed just in the right spot so you can't miss it ! "If you are speaking of a sudden healing or some event that blows your mind....then I believe the miracle comes when fear is replaced with love. It is not so much what happens outside as what happens to you on the inside. and the love that you feel is for yourself and because of loving yourself you can freely give it away to others -now ain't that special Nucking_Futs 07-12-05, 10:00 AM I am honestly unsure what Serendipity is and am too lazy as I just got up to google it so someone please explain this one to me. But, I've always believed in miracles. I've seen many first hand and many thru a tragedy or horror. I have been told many times that I could never carry children to term due to the damage I suffered to my internal organs as a child and yet I have had four pregnancies and three healthy, beautiful children. Without going too much into detail as I'm still feeling lazy :rolleyes: I'll just leave it for now with I've seen far too much to not believe. Hugs, Cherity GlenW 07-21-05, 09:35 AM Nope. Never felt I needed one. Was probably born atheist - determined myself to be one as early as 6 years old. Also, if I found out we have a god I'm gonna walk up to his office and smack him around for taking my son from me. Since he doesn't exist I guess I'm just gonna have to say it was just a bad thing that happens to us good people sometimes. We make our own openings in life I think. Life and the universe is so magnificent and amazing I never need to put some invisible string on it to make it dance for me. It gets better every day - don't let that cynical line above fool ya. Nucking_Futs 07-21-05, 09:48 AM I've grown up following many different religions. The one thing I've noticed is that for every religion there are thousands of different opinions. When we buried Jacob I never thought to blame God. I do not feel my life is pre-ordained by a higher power though I do feel a tug once in awhile. We have free will and are given the space we need to make our choices. When Jacob was born and we were told that his kidneys had not even formed yet. That his life would be filled with chaos, pain, surgery after surgery. I closed my eyes and asked God to do what was right for my son but to make it quick and painless. My son fell asleep shortly after in my arms and didn't wake up. My sister is an athiest raised in a Christian household and when questioned she gets so angry and defensive because she thinks we are judging her. But, please honestly I want to know YOUR thoughts...where do you get your hope? how do you move on after losing your son? I mean do you believe you will see him again? Where? How? If this is too painful for you to answer then please DON'T!!!!! But, know I am not judging your beliefs just over curious and I do want to understand my sister a little better. O and one more question please. Why is it whenever I question an athiest about their belief do they get angry with me. Do I come off as confrontational? Sometimes people just want to understand. Thanks, Cherity GlenW 07-21-05, 10:03 AM Don't fret a bit. I'm not one of THOSE atheists! LOL. I don't get offended at all. You (not YOU YOU the imaginary YOU) can knock atheism if you chose and it would not harm ME (the ME ME not the imaginary ME). I can see how some make atheism a new religion just as incidious in my eyes as other cultish behaviors. The truth is I'm not over my son. He died stillborn and I ponder it all the time. Sadly, even the death of my son didn't give me a bump towards a hereafter or some kind of continuance. I wanted to believe that but - like I mentioned - I was born this way. It's not a choice for me nor would I choose to even if it was. He is gone - only remaining in my lost hopes and wishes. I leave the why's of like why are we here? to philosophers. I'm on good meds that take most of the daydreams and "what ifs" away for hopefully good. I don't miss my imagination it was compulsive and dark and gloomy anyways. I too was raised in a "christian" household - the modern version where you never see the parents go but they send you to sunday school in hopes you won't dilly dally as they did LOL. I honestly can't explain where my "epiphany" came from (can someone give me a better non xtian word? revelation? no what could one use??). At near 6 I knew - and I mean I really knew deep inside that there was no God - no before or after this life. It was not a great thing - rates around when my parents goofed and didn't leave money for a tooth and discussed it in front of me. Ugh. I agree on the thousands of opinions - I'd probably put it as 5 billion religions and 5 billion opinions too. Even my ideas and theories are a religion in that I put belief and trust in that I go to dirt and worm food and not elsewhere. I'm good with that. So - don't you worry a bit. I'm very solid in my beliefs and you remain the same. I'm not around here to convert just to talk. Life's too short and I'm too happy these days. I miss the chance of a son but every day the memories fade just a bit and I feel a bit better. Without my meds I'd be in a ward though by now. Nucking_Futs 07-21-05, 10:18 AM Well, I'm still confused :rolleyes: Have I mentioned ADHD? lol But, I have a better idea then I did earlier I appreciate the time it took to write that reply. :D I did not feel you were trying to change my belief structure nor did I get the opinion that you felt I was trying to rearrange your life. Basically, for you its no choice? Kinda like a friend of mine who said he grew up female in a male body he didn't choose to live this way...its just the way it is? I can understand that and accept it. There are a lot of members who have lost a child so if you hit on a bad day and need support don't hesitate to ask, thats what we are here for. A lot of Atheists members as well. A whole LOT of ADD'ers :p imagine that ;) I noticed you were new, did you write an introductory? If not please introduce yourself to the forum members. If you see an old post that resembles or interests you do not fear posting even if its an old one, we are for the most part mostly ADD'ers after all. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask your nearest moderator. Hugs Have lots of fun and hopefully you'll learn something along the way Cherity One more thing...lol if that statement isn't ADD or feminane I don't know what is BUT, I hated it when people said this to me until it happened...There can be more children in your life(not the same but your arms won't have that perpetual empty feeling at least)~a year and a few days after we buried Jacob I gave birth to a pre-mature (healthy now) little guy...your still breathing so there is still hope. That is all I'm gonna say on it I promise. GlenW 07-21-05, 10:34 AM Well - thanks so much for that warm welcome! I always feel in good company when I join a busy forum for ADHD. I think we all have the empathy gene in double amounts. I know I do. Well - let's make this introduction/reply combo. Always good to conserve brain energy for later! As you say - ADD - I often come off misinterpreted and misinterpreting. Nope, didnt' think you are converting or me converting either. Nuff said on it LOL. I kind of think I was born like this - either that or it's a manifest of ADD in it's earliest stage. could be the fact I have a 150+IQ though I don't put a great deal of weight on tests as I've met a lot of mensa idiots in my life. Ok nuff of that. Intro to me My name's Glen (duh) I'm a 38 year old guy recovering from a lifelong affliction with Severe ADHD. I was diagnosed 8 months ago and was immediately put on therapy and dexedrine sulphate spansules. I have an awesome doctor and fantastic therapist who dually work me constantly to stay on target and keep getting better! It's been a great ride. Unlike most people I've talked to my meds were on the mark right away. I was on 10mg for 3 months - slowly upped to 30mg. I work in a factory (long shifts) and I carefully take twice a day when needed - not more. I am one of the morbidly curious internet browsers and read everything I can on my problems - good bad and ugly. I think I take good care of myself but don't fear - I don't isolate myself I stay in touch with my "team" and get help whenever I can. I know this is something I need help with and get it. I began my trek when my relationship died along with my 4 month to go son. I hear that it is common from my therapist - it tears apart relationships all the time. It gave me the distance to make the clean cut from my long time on/off woman so it was in fact fortuitous. Not that long ago - little over a year my last paternal uncle (5 of them) passed away - alone in a hermit existence. It then occurred to me to look carefully at the image and see that he - was in fact me about 40 years ahead if I didn't find the reasons I do things. Then came research and doctor. I find now I am clear headed - happened 30 minutes after first dose first day. It was (damn I hate the word -give me another somebody!!) an "epiphany" - like clouds parting and angelic music. Seemed to me like "manchurian candidate" in reverse where a finger snapped or word got me out of life-long conditioning. I am learning what it means to be a man - a good adult in life. The forums, family (very supportive) and new friends at work help. My work which was suffering a year ago now got me the best management review I've ever had for any job. My improvement was noted and mentioned often. Ok - that's me in a nutshell. I'm good at sharing as I don't keep secrets well (never did) and find that sometimes if I mention in a post that I can be as dumb, hurt, scared or worried as every one of you that you'll see I can truly empathize with you and maybe even have advice or even just a shoulder to cry on. We all could use that sometimes. Again - Happy to be here - thanks for the kind welcome and rest assured I'll be around often. Nucking_Futs 07-21-05, 10:52 AM mbo I already like you. A straight shooter something I enjoy and appreciate in a person. You'll find that if and when the time ever comes I will find the most tactful way to tell you "Bull ****" if possible, sometimes you just get the straight in your face reply though. I mean honestly how many ways is there to say "Bull ****"? I too was dx'd late in life at the young age of (I can't remember honestly) 25-28. I'm now 32 and well on my way to an organized and mature life; though, still very H in ADHD *grins* I honestly prefer a more hyper me just because I seem to acheive more in one day then some people can acheive in a week. I'm dx'd ADHD/PTSD/OCD/Depression/Anxiety not to mention a 12 yr old son who is dx'd ADHD/Bi-polar/Depression and a 9 yr old daughter who is ADD/ODD/LD and a baby plus the big baby I'm married to lmao. I've also become an internet and research junky. We stay as natural as possible working with therapy, BMP's, coaching, yoga, excercise, aromatherapy, etc, etc. My son had been on two different meds but has been clear of meds for almost a year now. We have lucked out as well with physicians and therapist and coaches that work well hand in hand to ensure each and every one of us succeed. My husband and I almost split because of my symptoms and had learned to work together long before we were ever faced with the prospects of losing our daughter or our son so we actually became more of a unit. From what I hear extremely rare I know that is why I don't let a day go by that I am not thankful he is a tough old stubborn bird. *grins* I function at a high rate (that is how my therapist refers to my dx's) I'm now organized, able to acheive goals and have not been late in a very long time. I am still impulsive though at times. Yesterday my little brother took an unplanned dive into the pool but really who stands right next to a swimming pool NOT expecting to be pushed in? Honestly I'm just lucky he has almost the same dx and loves me anyways. lol Glad to have ya and glad you'll be around but we really must behave ourselves and give the thread back to its original topic...MIRACLES (I'm very bad about stealing threads if you haven't noticed already~its something I'm working on and have a long way to go) lol GlenW 07-21-05, 10:56 AM Cool - back at ya. Agreed - miracle believers - you have the con. If you believe - wish for Jimmy "scotty" doohan to come and beam us out of here one last time (1920 - 2005). We'll miss ya Jimmy the engines canna take anymore! Nucking_Futs 07-21-05, 11:21 AM I'm afraid I am not a trekie. All though I was a Rainbow Bright fan maybe we could wish for a rainbow to escape to a better plane? lmbo OK I'm reaching here aren't I? didine 07-21-05, 12:49 PM I believe in miracles, in signs, in luck. If it weren't for them, then I surely wouldn't be on this planet! And many people I know have encountered miracles. In life, we just need a little bit of luck and miracles... :) Nucking_Futs 07-21-05, 12:53 PM I believe in miracles, in signs, in luck. If it weren't for them, then I surely wouldn't be on this planet! And many people I know have encountered miracles. In life, we just need a little bit of luck and miracles... :) I agree I can't understand why some people want all the answers. Leave me a little mystery to ponder. :D BlessedLady 07-27-05, 01:29 AM I believe in Miracles. I believe there are the everyday Miracles that we don't take the time to really appreciate..well I should say that I don't but in the past yr I have been making a real effort to stop & smell the roses-literally. To look at the moon when it's full & really "take it in" so to speak....I know it sounds corny. Then there are the Miracles that have no explanation but when others inquire about how they came about......they may get varied versions but there are 2 words that are always there "Prayer" & "Miracles." I've seen & been Blessed with being on the receiving end as well. I've seen Miracles come in hospitals, courtrooms & all the places in between. BlessedLady Chronomancer 09-19-05, 11:49 PM Three kinds of miracles exist to me First the kind that come from God. These are truly unexplainable events that can be examined and studied but have no logical explinations. They do happen from time to time and in the ancient past. The second kind are created by the magic of the heart, made manifest by technology. The arts and great creations of human kind. We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of the universe and invocations of equations. These are mearly the tools we employ. The third kind of miracle i think exists is human life itself. We are a parodox of love and hate. We can touch the stars and reach into the depths of the sea. We can love with a true passion and cry in true sadness. During our enitre history, the long trail of tears, during all our wars and the dark times one thing has shined that is our spirit, our courage, the thing we are. You see it we are a kind of miracle. Animus facit nobilem - The spirit makes man noble Scattered 09-20-05, 05:10 AM Yep, I believe in miracles! I think they happen around us all the time and we just take them for granted. Occasionally, though something does actually grab our attention. Today my mother in law was telling me about one of the first trucks from Florida to the Mississippi area. It came in with a generator and 4500 meals. People started coming from everywhere because most the the supplies were heading to New Orleans. They were worried about running out of food, but everytime they opened the trucks there was more and it kept happening and happening and happening. They kept track of the meals handed out and many more meals were handed out than had been loaded on the truck. At the end of the day, when they opened the trucks there was still food left!:) Remind anybody of the loaves and fishes? stillsmallvoice 11-28-05, 07:19 AM Hi all! I absolutely believe in miracles! However... This past Saturday, we (Jews all over the world) read Genesis 23:1-25:18 as our weekly Shabbat/Sabbath Torah reading (http://www.jewfaq.org/readings.htm (http://www.jewfaq.org/readings.htm)). In Genesis 24:50, Laban and Bethuel say to Abraham's servant: "The thing proceeds from the Lord; we cannot speak unto you bad or good. Behold, Rebecca is before you, take her, and go, and let her be your master's son's wife, as the Lord has spoken." There is one problem with their answer to Abraham's servant regarding his stated desire to take Rebecca to be Isaac's wife ("...as the Lord has spoken"), where did the Lord speak such a thing? The scripture records no such utterance on God's part. The late Prof. Nechama Leibowitz (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/nleib.html (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/nleib.html)) comments in her Studies in Beresh*t/Genesis on this past Saturday's reading: Rebecca's relatives were unconsciously referring to the inscrutable Divine decree. The Rabbis explain that the allusion was to the Divine plan underlying all that had happened to the servant from the very moment that he had prayed to God "to send him good speed" at the beginning of his mission. His was a story of hidden miracles that brought him to Rebecca, proving that it had proceeded from God. The Lord had spoken through the mysteriously coincidental pattern of events. (...). There is no need of texts or mysterious Divine voices. The truly perceptive and understanding person catches the word of God in the everyday round of events and the fate of individuals and peoples. I heard from our Shabbat guests last night a charming story about our great 18th-19th century sage, Rabbi Menachem Mendl of Kotzk. He was quite a precocious child. When he was only three years old, the story goes, an uncle said to him, "Menachem, I'll give you a kopeck, if you can show me where God is." "Uncle," he replied, "I'll give you two kopecks if you can show me where He isn't." Our neighborhood chapter of a national religious youth group puts out a little flyer every Shabbat/Sabbath/Saturday, which they distribute in all the synagogues in the neighborhood. The Saturday before last's edition had this charming story (translated from the Hebrew by moi): A man whispered, "God, speak to me!" and a songbird flew by but the man didn't hear. Therefore, the man shouted, "God, speak to me!" and a great thunderclap rolled across the sky but the man wasn't listening. The man looked around him and said, "God, let me see You," and a star twinkled but the man didn't see. The main yelled, "God, show me a miracle!" and a new life was born but the man wasn't paying attention. The man began to weep out of despair, "God, please touch me so that I know that You're here," and immediately God reached down and touched him on the shoulder but the man just brushed away the butterfly that had landed on his shoulder. God is always all around us, regardless of whether we belong to this or that religion, in all of those little things that we tend to take for granted. Don't miss out on a blessing just because it's not wrapped in the package that you're expecting it to be wrapped in. Many have noted that the word/name "God" does not appear in the book of Esther. The word Esther (in Hebrew) is a cognate of the s-t-r root, which means "concealed/hidden." Like God's Name, the miracles of the Book of Esther are hidden. One of my rabbis here in Israel compared this to the fact that God parted the Sea of Reeds by a strong wind when He could just have easily snapped His fingers (so to speak). The parting of the Sea teaches us to see the natural in the miraculous; the Book of Esther teaches us to see the miraculous in the natural. Be well! stillsmallvoice Nova 11-28-05, 09:20 AM I also believe in acknowledging the blessings our universe allows us to see. It's one and the same as the label of 'miracles', as far as I'm concerned, so there really is no need for splitting hairs.. The trick is, in my opinion..to be quiet long enough..to notice when the 'miracles' or blessings come in our field of vision.. And not be too choosy about them and dismiss those which we deem unimportant to qualify as blessings... (0: Nova mctavish23 11-28-05, 09:26 AM Yes. I (personally) believe in them. lunaslobo 08-09-06, 07:49 AM i struggle with this and the whole spritualality issues, but deep down yes I do believe in miracles. I have seen the sun rise, a baby cry and laugh, these are miracles to be sure. I have been in recovery a long time, over 6 years, now dealing with add, i hve been told dont leave untill the miracle happens. and it will. Jesse 7.0 11-07-06, 09:09 AM Yes. Yes I do. Honda Shadow 11-07-06, 11:26 AM I certain do; however, we naturally want our miracle to happen now. Unfortunately, it took over 20 years to have my miracle. After 13 years I just asked God to soften my sisters heart and it was just this October at the death of my mother we were reunited. Can you imagine 20 years. We had so much catching up to do and forgiveness well what can I say it finally took place. Scattered 11-07-06, 02:30 PM I certain do; however, we naturally want our miracle to happen now. Unfortunately, it took over 20 years to have my miracle. After 13 years I just asked God to soften my sisters heart and it was just this October at the death of my mother we were reunited. Can you imagine 20 years. We had so much catching up to do and forgiveness well what can I say it finally took place.I'm happy for you -- enjoy catching up!:) Scattered runinl8 11-07-06, 02:35 PM I've seen this thread a couple of times and EVERY time my mind starts singing "Do you believe in miracles...you sexy thing?" Nova 11-08-06, 12:38 PM Hahaha ! Cute ! I *heard* the same song, when this thread popped up recently, too. Jesse 7.0 11-08-06, 12:42 PM My miracle is short. She is Mexican. She is forgiving and she is great. She is oh so real.:) Grade A 11-08-06, 12:43 PM lol...I didn't but now I am humming it. Funny how your mind can make you hear every beat and sound in the song. So good at entertaining myself lol Off topic.. Yes I believe in maricles...you sexy thing you! dormammau2008 11-10-06, 08:53 PM muisc amazes me the way we can recall a song like we hearing on tv or reado i love it muscis defly a good healer dorm Freckleface 02-02-07, 06:25 PM "...you sexy thing..." I'm singing it too! :D It's a good song. And yes, absolutely I believe in miracles. I've seen enough things in my life, that it's hard not to believe! ;) Frangible 06-02-07, 02:43 AM It all depends on what you consider a miracle. A singular, expectional event that dramatically alters your worldview and behavior? Sure. But I don't believe in magical thinking. Onine 06-16-07, 02:40 PM Miracles? no. Miracles are a product. They are put there intentionally. But the meaning behind a "Miracle" portrays something that was given by an otherworldly means. Since no one can say, for certain, with proof and evidence, that Miracles actually happen, that there is actually "Ritual Magic", which is what you are saying from a christian point of view, then no one can truly say miracles exist. I believe that we are the miracle and that we can either decide to be virtuous or wicked. It is our choice. It has always been our choice. weird genius 10-18-07, 09:38 PM Oh they happen, you just can't count on them. |