Here's the "proof" : These are ALL from unrestricted research grants published in (the cream of the crop) peer reviewed journals.
I had a conversation with some one about ADHD as my 4 yr old daughter is waiting for diagnosis, this is what i was told....
1) ADD/ADHD are made-up diseases. They do not exist. They are phoney. They are fake.

There are real reasons why children cannot concentrate, but ADD/ADHD is NOT the reason. There is NO disease.

2) Psychiatry is a fraud. There are no tests whatsoever to determine a chemical imbalance. NONE. All of psychiatry's so-called "diseases" are fake.

3) The drugs are REAL and as ADDICTIVE as COCAINE. If you give the drugs like RITALIN to your child you will KILL them. The drugs MASK the real problem. They do not cure it.

4) Psychaitry + Fake Diseases + Drugs to cure FAKE diseases = Dangerous Fraud motivated by GREED and NOT motivated by an effort to help you or your child.

5) The drugs KILL. And they only MASK the symptoms of the real problem. That problem is NOT a disease. If you take a drug for it you are being fooled and harmed.

If you are one of those parents who read some of the article above and thought it definitely showed that your kid has ADD or ADHD, please read the summary above again (1 through 5).

(ContactCitizens Commission On Human Rights) and someone there can direct you to people who can really help you and your child.

[Post edited by mod to remove live link to site listing misinformation about ADHD and the post was shortened. I think you get the idea from the above list.]


I am really mad right now at this person i even showed him mctavish23 post he told me well your welcome to your drugs then!

Hi Cath,

Ignorance really pushes my buttons. I feel sorry for people who feel threatened by any medical treatment above the neck. :D

CCHR was founded by Scientology. They are wingnuts and so are their ideas.
More here ->http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18118
and...http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20721

By the way you forgot these verbs in caps..FRAUD, DEATH, MURDERBALL, and BRAIN-DAMAGE. I think you need a refresher Scientology communication course.

Cath, you seem to be either misled or misleading.

McT has listed valid scientific evidence for his opinnion (which I share), you have offered a list of opinnion lacking evidence.

Fess up, who is this mysterious person you are so mad at?

Ah, before the confusion grows...I understand, Cath, that what you posted above is what your friend told you and that you find it misleading and destructive, too.

It is really hard when one is confronted with such ignorance, and part of what we are here for is to counteract such mis-information!

Welcome to the forums. You'll find a lot of extremely good information here and get lots of great support! Looking forward to hearing from you in the future.

Kim

There are real solutions.
The drugs are as addictive as cocaine


Gee but not as addictive as cigararettes!!!!!! I have never really liked cocaine so personally for me you may be right as cocaine wasn't very addicting at all.

Okay I know addiction first hand and addicts never forget to "do" drugs nor do they ever "forget" to get high. I smoke ciggs and I only wish :eyebrow: I could "forget" to smoke. I forget to take my medications all the time.

Anyone can post a million sites to a thousand different palces and that doesn't make them or their statements true!!!!!! For each man/woman truth is self defined!!!!!Really--but that's a different thread..probably a different section tooo!!!!!!!

Please do not take personally but.....

While I was rearing my children I had a line for those who espousted this anti-medication, non existence of ADD, if only I would ________ or ___________ or feed them ________ ot not feed them___________they would NOT have ADHD.

"My response to them was:
"you take them (my children) home feed them what ever you want, don't feed them what ever you want just feed them some thing or they get really cranky. You deal with the schools,police, neighbor kids parents, lost library books, you deal with the home work wars, chore strikes, and try to get them out the door in the morning every day wearing shoes that match.....even if they are some one elses, with their own home work (not some ones elses), before lunch" :faint:

Of coarse my kids are all grown up now so I can't say that to anyone now....

I once worked with a doctor who didn't believe in ADHD so I went off my medications one morning I simply didn't take them. I started work at 8:00am by 10:30am he sent me home to get my medications it took two and one half hours buttttt...he became a believer in medications and ADHD!!!!!!. I never heard another anti-ADD/anit-medication thing out of him again!!!!


Maybe ADHD doesn't exist in thier world but that is only because they don't live in mine or yours. If taking medications is what it takes in increase mine or my childrens chances to reach our potential then by all means that is what me and my children do.....


My partner is Mr. Bounce Bounce...he has more ADHD traits than I do but he does NOT believe in taking medications as he doesn't want to chage his brain chemicals. He is a recovering alcoholic, which is fine. I would never force my beliefs on him....funny he believes in me taking mine :mad: ...double standard....Hmmmmmm

ADHD is one of the most documented disorders (see extensive first post at beginning of thread) and they have actually mapped difference in the brain and are working on narrowing down the gene responsible.


Oh yea.... can they(non-believers) prove by "testing" their anti-ADHD theories are right. They say I can't go in and have physical/lab testing to prove ADHD exist and that I have it. Well realistically they nor any other of their fellow anti-psychoitc/phycology/medications believers can prove I (or anyone else) don't. So we're all are once again back to personal preference...

By the way have those scientologist or anyone else narrowed down the gene or done any studies that reveils why people feel hear about the sciencetific existence of ADHD or some one being tested for it and be unable to resist the urge to go into some drug company conspericy theory, poison toxin theories or the non-existence speach (more importantly why these people aren't in debates:))...exactly what blood test or study will answer that question... :rolleyes: or does it not exist!!!!!! HMmmmmm

The scientfic proof door swings both ways!!!!!!

Then tell 'em Check mate !!!!!!!!! ;)

It is not me, i am mad at this person!
It all started in a blog here's the link
and if that doesn't work
www. myspace. com / comeandgetme
then go to his blog


Cath, you seem to be either misled or misleading.

McT has listed valid scientific evidence for his opinnion (which I share), you have offered a list of opinnion lacking evidence.

Fess up, who is this mysterious person you are so mad at?

It is not me, i am mad at this person!


I understand your frustration and Kim cleared it up for us like I posted earlier about my ADHD group of kids I always offered to "non-believers" to deal with. It is bad enough to have to deal with the struggle that ADHD can pose it is soooo much worse to have to put up with those who seem so bent on mis-leading or creating havoc before we even have a chance to educate or selves....


Welcome to the forums Cath.....

I understand this isn't your prespectives but your friends!!!!!!!

Welcome Cath,

Do me a favour. Don't post any more of that garbage from your "friend". It's really annoying.

Ok sorry didn't mean to upset anyone :(

Thanks for the welcome!:)
Welcome Cath,

Do me a favour. Don't post any more of that garbage from your "friend". It's really annoying.

The Citizens Commision on Human Rights is a Scientology front. They promulgate the paranoid delusional hatred of psychiatry as espoused by their nut-job founder L. Ron Hubbard.

Wheezie edit: I've deleted the religious content from this post. The post, in it's entirety can be found in the Medition and Spirituality subforum. Citizens Commision on Human Rights is a Scientology front (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21011)

Ok sorry didn't mean to upset anyone :(

Thanks for the welcome!:)Welcome Cath!

Sorry about the misunderstanding -- I thought you were referring to someone else who had dumped all that load of garbage on you. I can understand why Scuro doesn't like that you posted your friend's comments -- he's seen too much of it. But for some of us who are newer to this arena, it's useful to know what kind of garbage is being promoted out there, so that we can respond intelligently when we're confronted with it. The discussion your post engendered has been very educational for me. It's also okay that you needed a place to show your frustration and get support.

I have a couple of kids 7 and 3 (the oldest has an AD/HD dx and the youngest looks like she's heading the same direction) and it's hard enough trying to make the right decisions for your kids without someone trying to dump some guilt trip on you with misinformation. Hopefully you'll find some good resources here that will make it easier to make an informed decision about how best to help your 4 year old. Glad you're here!:D

Scattered

Thanks for the clarification, Cath.

Welcome to the forums.

I split this off from the Scientific Evidence thread.

I split this off from the Scientific Evidence thread.
Good move -- don't want to accidently mix the science and the drivel. You moderators really stay on top of things. Thanks!

Scattered

Thank goodness you cleared that up!!!LOL!!!! I was getting kinda mad for a minute.LOL!!!

You can always counter claims like this with brain images of people with ADD. There's noticeable holes in their brain ... I think it's located at www.brainplace.com

He shows the difference between before-Adderrall and after-Adderrall, too, and there's a significant reduction in the holes in the person's brain. It's pretty cool to see that.

Ok sorry didn't mean to upset anyone :(

Thanks for the welcome!:)

Sorry, I didn't read your post as closely others did. Sometimes I react a little to quickly to that stuff. This is a wonderful board with all sorts of people dealing with all sorts of ADHD problems. There is tons of experience and knowledge here. Please, if you need help, simply ask.

I hope to see more of you! :)

Cath,

Welcome to the Forum. :)

I posted a reply to the goof's blog - it requires his "approval" before it's posted. I'm not going to hold my breath and wait for that to happen!

So, Is this person qualified to make this diagnosis?

Somehow I think not.

and really, why does he care? if it doesn't affect him or his personally, what is his problem?

ritalin is not addicting. i took it; my daughter took it. i had no problem never taking ritalin again. cigarettes, on the other hand, even though i was a "social smoker" took me quite a few tries to quit. and i refuse to give up my glass of wine...

everyone is entitled to an opinion, as misguided and idiotic as it may be. :o

And I thought Tom Cruise was her friend:D ...sounds exactly like the tyraid he went on about depression he just replaced "ADHD" with "depression".

HAHAHAHAHA

I don't know why people try to put an opinion in someone's head when they experience nothing of what I do EVERY day of my LIFE! It's just something that they can complain about to feel cool.... It makes me smile though...nonetheless...:faint:

I posted a reply to the goof's blog - it requires his "approval" before it's posted. I'm not going to hold my breath and wait for that to happen!
oh he will approve of it alright....he thrives on that controversy and furthermore, I bet he has people he hand picked to spy on this site .... ..... get members stirred up and confused, self education is the lamp of discernment guys....come on..

Whenever I "encounter" these types in ADD Support chat in Yahoo, I usually call them names that include words like "munch" and "midget's."

^
I

*snorts* pop out his nose.

Although many find this dribble and I presonally agree I find dribble from the opposing prespective a good reason to examine my own beliefs. I mean when I read some thing I dis-agree with I go to my reserve of ADHD educational material and re-read why I believe my prespective.


I have found with standing and even accepting opposing views as true for them has the side effect of strengthing or up-dating my point of view. I mean if I can't tolerate any other opnion out side of my own then how much does that say about my faith in my prespective??????

Cath education is the key to preventing you from being fooled by "dribble" mis-informations (no matter how intellegent or good they may sound), and has the added benefit of empowering self to make these all important decisions as to how best to treat daughters ADHD!!!!!! The decisions is your so education, education, education did I mention educations.


Some where are some recommendations on good books to read about ADHD...recomended by ADDers for the educating of fellow ADDers.


http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14941&highlight=good+books+ADD


This may be a starting place to de-rail the mis-inforamtion and confusion you have experienced!!!!!!

Thanks Tammy.

I think you've made a fine point with which to close this thread.