I had a friend call me earlier today to inform me that her father in law passed on, last night at 4:20 am.

I was talking with another friend of mine, about this..and I asked him, a rhetorical question...about why does he suppose people usually pass on, of natural causes, during that time frame...

He, being in the same field as I...and determined to use our field tactics..started to parrot back how rigidity...and how ETD factors are determined...and 'Come on..you know this stuff...

And how it usually does happen between the hours of ....

His voice faded into the background after a while..
Not because I heard this speech a million times before..


I was thinking of more in terms of a spiritual level...I suppose...
Because she's my friend, and I knew her father in law. He was a really fun guy. Used to tell us all kinds of fun stories about when he was younger, whenever I was over her house, and he'd come around...

And I was thinking about how when someone passes on it's exhausting enough...without it happening during those hours...

Nova

on a spiritual level it is because between the hours of 4and 5 am is when all of the noise made by the living ,the thoughts heard by the angels ,has quieted down and there is silence ,and the whispered plea made by those ready to start on their new journey is heard and they are whisked away to receive the tools to begin but not before they are able to look down and smile on all of those that they loved and wish them continued success on their earth bound journey

on a spiritual level it is because between the hours of 4and 5 am is when all of the noise made by the living ,the thoughts heard by the angels ,has quieted down and there is silence ,and the whispered plea made by those ready to start on their new journey is heard and they are whisked away to receive the tools to begin but not before they are able to look down and smile on all of those that they loved and wish them continued success on their earth bound journey
My friend said 'between the hours of 4 and 5 am' also (0:

Thanks for being on my frequency, again.
And, by the way..I really like your latest signature phrase.
It really makes me smile.

Thanks again, WT.
I needed to hear what you said more than the clinical definition, right now..to have closure.
Nova

Hi all!

William Tell, this on a spiritual level it is because between the hours of 4 and 5 am is when all of the noise made by the living ,the thoughts heard by the angels ,has quieted down and there is silence ,and the whispered plea made by those ready to start on their new journey is heard and they are whisked away to receive the tools to begin but not before they are able to look down and smile on all of those that they loved and wish them continued success on their earth bound journey is beautiful! But this could work in reverse & apply to those souls who are waiting to come in to the world. This past spring, I was awakened at 04:02 one morning by our nextdoor neighbors. They're a young cuple & she was pregnant with their first child. They don't have a car & I told them that if they ever needed to go to the hospital for any reason at any hour, they should call me. So, the husband said that his wife was going into labor & could I please drive them to the hospital. I pulled on some sweats & drove them & her Mom to the hospital in Jerusalem. It was still pitch dark. On my way back home, I caught sight of the first glimmer of light in the east. I smiled & thought to myself, "A new day, a new life." :)
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DW & I had to go to a funeral this past Sunday here in Jerusalem. A cousin of hers passed away from Lou Gehrig's Disease (ALS).

It is the standard orthodox Jewish practice not to use coffins (we don't embalm or cremate either). The deceased are laid in the ground wrapped in opaque white shrouds.

We went to one of the little eulogy buildings at the ginormous Har Hamenuchot (literally "Mountain of Rest") cemetery here in Jerusalem. The Burial Society brought out a stretcher with DW's cousin's body tightly wrapped in the shrouds, with his prayer shawl (see http://www.jewfaq.org/signs.htm#Tzitzit (http://www.jewfaq.org/signs.htm#Tzitzit)), with one of the fringes cut, draped over him. (A Jewish man is usually buried with his big prayer shawl, with one of the fringes cut which renders it unfit for use, over the mandatory shroud. This is done out of respect for the deceased, who, of course, is exempt from fulfilling the Torah's 613 precepts, of which the precept to wear fringes is one; to not cut one of the fringes would be to remind the deceased that he cannot fulfill precepts & this is considered disrespectful.) His son, his brother & a rabbi the family knows spoke briefly. Then a bunch of us, me included (How could I not pay my wife's cousin, who was a real friend to us, this honor of helping to carry him to his final place?), carried the stretcher into a waiting Burial Society van. We all got into our cars & followed the van through the cemetery to the freshly-dug grave.

The (male) mourners all take part in shovelling in the dirt. That sound of the first shovelful of dirt hitting the shrouds is one that always gets me. It is an utterly unmistakeable sound & cannot possibly be confused with any other sound. It is stark (I'm looking for the right word but there is no word for it, you hear it & you know what it is and what it means; no word could possibly match it). It is wholly unique and, for all its muffled-ness, is so piercing that it shuts everything else out and all you hear is it. It gives me the shakes. It's also a very humbling sound because when you hear it, you realize that one day some loved one (hopefully!) will be tossing in that first shovelful of dirt over you and you realize that you're not such hot stuff.

Yohanan (will be 9 in January) & Naor (just turned 5) knew him very well. We told them something like: "Mommy's cousin, who had been very sick, isn't sick anymore because he died. We'll put his body in the ground but God took his soul to Heaven." Later, I showed our older boy (3rd grade) Ecclesiastes 12:7.

And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.I think that comforted him; it comforts me.

Be well!

stillsmallvoice

William Tell, this is beautiful! But this could work in reverse & apply to those souls who are waiting to come in to the world.
Funny you mention that, Stillsmallvoice..

Even though I'm not Buddhist, my Spiritual path follows many of the traditions of Buddhism,one of that being reincarnation.
So I believe that souls, come back to incarnate, as many times as necessary, to learn the life lessons required, before ascending- or moving up to the next higher plane of consciousness.



I wonder what the stats are of the EMOTIONAL IQ level is for those born between the hours between 4 and 5 am...


*To all who reply-please note the difference between Emotional IQ Test and the standard Intelligence IQ test, again to prevent WW3 on the Spirituality and Meditation Discussion on a thread pertaining to Introspection on Death -Thanks (0:

Nova

Hi Nova!

A rabbi whose Shabbat (what we call the Sabbath) lesson I used to go to in our old neighborhood referred to Ecclesiastes 12:7, "And the dust returns to the earth as it was and the spirit returns to God who gave it."

He said that this verse is definitive. The spirit will return to God, it can be sooner (after relatively few cycles, maybe even one for very rare & exceptional individuals) or it can be later (after very many cycles), it all depends on us. We were discussing Deuteronomy 21:22-23. My rabbi said that the person who was thus executed needed the awful spiritual purgative/corrective of execution & being hung up afterwards to atone for what he had done & spare his soul from being pushed further away from returning to God and from terrible tribulations in the next world.

Being recycled could also be a blessing. God might, in His mercy, afford a soul that had some spiritual blot, another cycle in order to gain merit by being kindly, giving to charity, doing good deeds, etc. We believe that God wants more than anything that an errant soul repent of his/her evil ways and will afford that soul ample opportunity, whether in one cycle or in many, to do so.

See http://www.jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm#Resurrection & http://www.aish.com/literacy/concepts/Reincarnation_and_Jewish_Tradition.asp.

Be well!

stillsmallvoice

wow. thats kinda wierd you mention this because I used to have a friend who lived with us when I was a kid and his mother was passing away, and the night she passed away me and my friend awoke at around 4 in the morning and hugged eachother out of nowhere it was very warm moment and we both cryed, the next day we found out she had passed away around the same time we woke up simultaniously.

when my grandfather died i sat bolt upright in bed and spoke his name. not more than a couple of minutes afterthat the phone rang and it was the hospital telling me he was gone this was 4 20 am. my great uncle died about the same time of day.

ive known when pesps going to die an sometimes it can be advoided ive seen meany things in my life an meanytimes ive seen dead peps as well dorm