I am in an asian religions class right now and have been studying Buddhism in it and its something that absoultely fascinates me. I want to try and start to do Buddhist Meditation, regardless of the school that it comes from, and I was wondering if if A)This is feasable for an ADHD person (I expect so b/c ADHD doesnt exist just in the affluent west as far as I know, and considering the amount of buddhist, i expect at least one is). B) Has anyone tried this type of meditation before?

I would recomend looking at this religion for anyone, its a fascinating idea and has just totally captivated me.

Hey mediTater,

Pop down to spirituality, a 'couple' of levels down (not metaphorically) and check out 'Ian'/'ItsChaotic', for a good guy with a highly informed perspective on meditative practice.

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PS. For sure, and one of my recurring questions is why we saw a divergence between Hinduism and Buddhism, when Siddhartha Gautama (a Hindu brahmin) transformed.

Buddhist ideology can be subsumed within Hinduism, which leads me to think that Buddhism arose through similar motivation to the driver of the 'Temple incident' in Christianity.
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SB.

What are you still doing up ?
I thought I was nutso for being up this late...but I am hyper/manic right now and I will pay for it tomorrow..

Nova

Nova, Nova, Nova ... Nova :-)

I woke up 3 hours ago.
Don't forget the basic laws of quantum physics.
ADDers are on Tammy Standard Time (though I think that
one might find that TST has other names).
And those other pagan names might include the mad hatter's oft repeated phrase of ... 'I'm late .. I'm late .. for a very important date.'

SB.

Tammy doesn't operate on any ones time table....including the state’s.

In public areas I call what I do centering......it is a form of meditation in my faith called praying...usually for self control.......God to keep my fingers shut!!!

I believe meditation has many of the same mental and physical benefits as praying does and is especially good for ADDers......if any thing it puts a break on our impulses!!!

I believe weather one calls it meditation, or praying, it is still under the heading of spiritual which by the way is where are now...sorry fair is fair...I can't "do" Christian in General either. I know how it is.....................

Hey mediTater,

Pop down to spirituality, a 'couple' of levels down (not metaphorically) and check out 'Ian'/'ItsChaotic', for a good guy with a highly informed perspective on meditative practice.

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PS. For sure, and one of my recurring questions is why we saw a divergence between Hinduism and Buddhism, when Siddhartha Gautama (a Hindu brahmin) transformed.

Buddhist ideology can be subsumed within Hinduism, which leads me to think that Buddhism arose through similar motivation to the driver of the 'Temple incident' in Christianity.
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SB.
From the pre-beginners zafu & zabuton:

I don't view this as a religious practise, but more, just practise. Or maybe, practise, practise, practise. :faint:
I really like this simple guide (http://www.mro.org/zmm/meditation/).

Funny how things like this crop up. You humble me with praise SB. Pinkish I am. Pride goeth before the... ahhh!!
Sidewalk! - face plant...


My middle daughter and I were up late tonight talking about sitting zazen, as it's called in Zen practise. She's just coming onto her 17th birthday. She shares some of my questionable memory skills along with a keen sensitivity to the well being of others around us.

She took up running with me for a while last year and somehow it didn't suit her. She was already heavily involved with sports at school so she didn't need the exercise.

We had come upon running as a way to take some of the roller coaster ride of our emotions and onward to a less thrilling curve. ;)

I have been sitting regularly for a while now and a month ago she asked me to tell her about it. I described it simply as a way to repeatedly draw my attention away from distraction to a dedicated point of focus. All the while being aware of everything... It gets worse. :p

She's experienced a dramatic change in the way she's seeing the world around her. It's fascinating to observe the process. She's sitting regularly twice a day.

I contend that five minutes sitting, twice a day will be enough to demonstrate the merit of the process given enough time, but consistency is key.

It's more important to sit regularly than it is to sit for long.

I'm still wet behind the ears, no false modesty here, and so my practise is to simply repeat counting my breaths to ten and repeat over and over again.

No reprimand and no negative self talk about being a dolt for losing my way to ten for the um teeth time, just willingly giving it up and returning to my count.

It's one of the more powerful tools I use to help me cope with being alive. Vigorous exercise and zazen or meditation have allowed me to take full advantage of the pause that refreshes, dextroamphetamine. :eek: :soapbox: :D

Like all things essential, it's free to anyone who cares to pick up the tools. It's reputedly a 5000 year old practise. It's simplicity speaks volumes. Like juggling, it's not something I can know, it's something I do.

The best insight I've read into the nature of the beast/beauty, or SB's eloquence:eyebrow:, is in Thomas Cleary's introduction to Rational Zen. It's written in a western voice in a rational way. Go figure. ;) I've always meant to get that bit into digital format. Tempus fugit. :faint:

There are many flavours of Zen practise, but once I learnt the stink of Zen, it became easier to separate the wheat from the chaff. At it's best, meditation can become a window without glass, frame or wall to support it.

http://seedbankk.klozitking.com/images/bigstink.gif




Two atoms are walking down the street.

One of them says, "Wait, I think I lost an electron."

"Are you sure?"

"Yeah, I'm positive." :D

Well, you Ian (and Meadd and SB) know that my religion follows many of the ideologies from Buddhism when it comes to our meditatative practices.
Cute joke about the atoms !!! I love it !!!
Except I might be thinking about it the next time I meditate, now, Ian, ya jokester !!!

It's funny as hades !

Nova

Nova, Nova, Nova ... Nova :-)

I woke up 3 hours ago.
And those other pagan names might include the mad hatter's oft repeated phrase of ... 'I'm late .. I'm late .. for a very important date.'

SB.
It's getting to the point where I can't read any of your posts without laughing every time now..
Mad hatters, is indeed otherwise known as PST..and we're always yelping 'I'm late'.

Nova

I was raised Christian and even had married a pastor but the whole last year of my life has been changed dramatically and I think it is for the better. I let go of Christianity as a religion although I feel there are many great things that can be gained from it but it kept me in this box that I never want to go into again. I am also currently reading a book that is written kind of from a Buddhist perspective called "Mindefulness and Meaningful Work". I have gained a lot of beautiful insight from reading this book. It has also helped me keep a job which is a big step for me. My guess is that there is probably beautiful truths in every religion and what it boils down to is our intention and our intention to be able to love ourselves and love others no matter where we/they are in their lives. No matter what they are going through. We shouldn't judge ourselves so harshly or other people. Our mind loves to do this. Buddhist meditation seems to help with getting out of that negative judgmental pattern. There are many people I have to thank for helping me see these truths so I can't help but want to pass it along.
Thanks B!

I absolutely adore you Sunnysideup!
What a beautiful, thoughtful, and totally mindful thought to put on here !
Thank you !!!
And on that note- I can go to my Doc's appointment with a smile on my face, thanks to you, being one more person who keeps adding more joy to this world !!!

Nova

Breathe deeply, and listen to my voice as your eyelids grow heavy ...

You see Ian, that's why ... and relating to when last we talked, it's still there and we're getting closer, and all that I need to say, by way of soft link :-), is that this is all about the chap (and friends) entrusted with the truffuture.
'Those trees, those trees ...' :-)

You pierce through the manmade layers of pointless complexity, of different schools and techniques designed to burrow into your wallet, and sit there like Mogwai ... furry, purry and large-eyedly (at first) ... except it's not water ... it's greenback, and then the fangs and then the rest ... and then the only thing left in your wallet is - yeah green-back, but not like before, moreso ... a green-backed bloated gremlin ... clamouring for more.

The sweet essence of meditation is yours and whether one counts or, as I do, imagine that one is breath rushing over chakras ... no matter ... same effect.

And that question is interesting, do we need to know why?

Incidentally, as John Locke screamed 'we are not alone' - 'on this Island' - and there it is ... the concrete house that transforms to wood, and then to glass ... or maybe the image works better as the windows lose their wooden frames and partition, and grow into one another.

The thin glass into paper thin sheets which are blown by the wind, shearing, and up, into the air ... even if you try to keep ahold of them ... in your truth-encrusted gaze ... you can't, as the shards seem to themselves dissipate into the light.

And then there's the gestalt --- when the threads converge on one, just one, one's gaze reorientates to the absence of barrier and there you are.

There's the silence and that's the thing.

But if we did need to know, and under the realization that the magic is not lost.
Imagine that you have a movie of your own making in your head.
But the movie is filled with bad stuff, and you know that it really shouldn't be that way.
And that feeling of it not supposing to be that way, that series of logical consistencies are the driver to feel all of those bad feelings ... anxiety, depression, urghhhh! ... that something is wrong.
And so the infernal chatter is a bad film.
Our reactive brain reacting instinctively to 'bad stuff' and not telling conscious awareness, operating instead through emotional outlets.
So emotion without comprehension --- that's it ... really :-)
And meditation is your control over the projector.

However, maybe soon we'll have an endless repeating loop of the feelings we all had during the distorted Duettino/Sull'Aria ...of... Amadeus ...in... s. Redemption.
Can't you just still hear the scratching of the stylus across the record?

So ... Ian ... :-)


And when I count to three and click my fingers ... 1 2 3 ... <click>

sniff! sniffsniff!

I think it's incense!

Is someone burning incense in here?

Dudes! That's totally hippy! AND WILL YOU PLEASE TIDY UP YOUR VELVET BEAN BAGS.

So ... yeah ... I realise it's the spiritual board ... but d-u-d-e-s they're not even that comfortable ...

+++@DD+++

SB.
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I absolutely adore you Sunnysideup!
What a beautiful, thoughtful, and totally mindful thought to put on here !
Thank you !!!
And on that note- I can go to my Doc's appointment with a smile on my face, thanks to you, being one more person who keeps adding more joy to this world !!!

Nova
Thanks Nova! I adore you too. Sometimes I wish I didn't havt to work because all I want to do is just add joy and love people. I can at times do that through work but it's not my ultimate goal in life. My ultimate goal is helping people be comfortable with who they are and to feel loved and accepted and connected to the rest of us as a whole. Maybe one day I'll go into therapy. Who knows. :)
Thanks,
Sunnysideup

I know just enough to be a hazard SB. You're so bloody broad in your education, I'm swimming in it!
The warm buoyant waters of letting go.

... hazard ...-warning light.
Instinctually Bright and Instinctually right
... and "in stinky, right?" :-) ...
the 'stink of Zen' ... only you!
Maybe 'Stinky' and 'Thinky' should have realised their destiny ... 'Chit-Chat:3 words.'
http://www.addforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=255022&postcount=47

... letting go ... ... letting it all go ... and seeing what really matters through Its chaotic kaleidoscopic lens(es).

SB.

All the effort behind those seeking Zen and meditation will be lost....I adore you both so very much. (0:

A university professor went to visit a famous Zen master. While the master quietly served tea, the professor talked about Zen. The master poured the visitor's cup to the brim, and then kept pouring. The professor watched the overflowing cup until he could no longer restrain himself. "It's overfull! No more will go in!" the professor blurted. "You are like this cup," the master replied, "How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup."

... letting go ...

... letting it all go ...

... empty ...

_SB._

Been studyiung Buddhism now on my own for the last year...Attended until last Tue a "sitting" small group (most of th etime only 3 of us) and doing Insight meditation...

I really enjoy the time I spend in th esilence, it really is an overal wholesome thing for me to do on a daily basis...

Peace,

As the say in the old country... Neti neti.

I was first introducted to Buddhism when I read a book called the three ways of Asian wisdom or something like that, shortly after I gave up heavy-duty Catholicism -- I was 11 or 12 with no one to discuss my abandonment of faith.

Reading:
When the Buddha was asked if god existed, he responded with complete silence.

I was most impressed with that bit.

The silence. Injected the solution directly into my confusion.

It was not until I was in my twenties that I started doing meditation and returned to Buddhism.

http://homepages.tesco.net/%7Esah/images/desolate.jpg Empty, full, MU!

Those splashes of thought that defy the cattle round up are so very sweet. When I'm prepared to hear a message, the content may carry some vigour. :eyebrow:

As the say in the old country... Neti neti.

I was first introducted to Buddhism when I read a book called the three ways of Asian wisdom or something like that, shortly after I gave up heavy-duty Catholicism -- I was 11 or 12 with no one to discuss my abandonment of faith.

Reading:
When the Buddha was asked if god existed, he responded with complete silence.

I'm loving that too! Thanks for getting it in front of me. :D


I was most impressed with that bit.

The silence. Injected the solution directly into my confusion.

It was not until I was in my twenties that I started doing meditation and returned to Buddhism.

Oh yea, ian, just as a sidenote, i love your quote like no other. Noam chomsky is one of my heroes and someone who I admire b/c i share such an incredible amouint of similar beliefs with him and have come to many of the same conclusions as he does, independent of him, but now im reading him b/c it helps me explain things better than is what is in my head.

Also, another sidenote, i see a lot of similarities between anarchism and buddhism, im a left wing anarchist, like chomsky, and also agree with a lot of what buddha has to say.

Tis the self by which we suffer
-Buddha

Tis the self by which we suffer
-Buddha


There are no local causes, everything is interconnected.
-Conclusion from quantum mechanics and its denial of the idea of local causes, i.e. what we do here only has an immediate effect on what we do here, it has effects in other places, check out this priciple :)

Same idea as above:
The attempt to live according to the notion that the fragments are really separate is what has led to the growing series of extremely urgent crises that is confronting us today.
Quantum Physicist David Bohm


Nothing was, nothing will be, everything has reality and presence.
-Siddartha


For every truth, the opposite is equally true.
-Siddartha


Everything that exists is good- death as well as life, sin as well as holiness, wisdom as well as folly.
-Siddartha


When asked what is real, intrensic, He replies:

This problem does not trouble me much, If they are illusion, then I also am illusion, and so they are always of the same nature as myself. It is that which makes them so lovable and venerable. That is why i can love everything. But, I think it is only important to love the world, not despise it, not for us to hate each other, but to be able to regard the world and ourselves and all beings with love, admiration and respect.
-Siddartha



Know not heresay, nor by tradition, nor by speculation, nor because you honor your teacher, but know for yourself.
-Buddha

Does the self exist? No
Does the self not exist? No
Does the self both exist and not exist? No
Does the self neither exist or not exist? No
-Buddha


I love all of those quotes, they are some of my favorites ever. It pretty much sums up my belief system if you throw in chomsky and then bakunin into that, im currently trying to fit them all together and what i like between all of their theories.


Also, im going to officailly start meditating tomorrow officailly. Oh yea... this summer i reached enlightenment, or at least scrached the surface with it, just thinking about things and just being totally calm and not worring about anything. I'm trying to get this feeling back b/c i felt on top of the world and totally connected with everything, totally calm, ect... it was an amazing feeling, and I got that being a total an complete atheist, something most would call a "religious" experience... but... i got it, and it was great... so who knows if there is a god, buddha says we shouldnt care, i totally agree.

I let go of Christianity as a religion although I feel there are many great things that can be gained from it but it kept me in this box that I never want to go into again.

I am sorry I do agree that this happens to great many people...mostly because they spend more time talking "at God" rather than shutting up long enough to hear!!!!!!

Hearing has many of the same qualities I am reading here about meditation as well.

when the threads converge on one, just one, one's gaze reorientates to the absence of barrier and there you are.

converges, emerges, comes together..all in one.....completely though..no real words really......being..... peace......inside.....

See in my reality of my own faith (not religion--God isn't very religious either same box problem) it isn't about my agenda not it is about what I think God's is...He has a way of being able to take care of his own.....I am to remain open

That includes to others decisions as to their own journeys......their decisions are theirs....wanted to say I am sorry you were hurt......by what others claim to be "God's way"

It doesn't matter if I was a Buddhist, Christian or agnostic I would be me and that has always meant a tad off to the side.............

Is someone burning incense in here?
Dudes!

Hey I have it in a holder this time so I don't burn the shelf again!!!!!


That's totally hippy!

Too funny I love it. I have long hair.. still wear bell buttoms, hip huggers and (I still get awy with it ) I do hemp jewlery I make my self .I get called hippie chick all the time......not the worse name I have been called (lol)


okay I will stop interrupting your thread.......

meditate on............

Good for you Meadd !
I have a many friends, back in Ohio, who are Buddhists.
Wicca follows several philosophies from Buddhism..not just meditative ones, but other ones as well. (0:

Nova

I totally understand what you mean, you guys. (0:

Nova

I believe that all religions/spirituality and those who practice them are equal, and none are better than one another.

As long as the individual is not using the religion as a shield for destructive measures..but that has nothing to do with the religion, but with the individual's malicious intent..I firmly believe that all religions are based on the growth of the soul.

And on another note- I love incense and also burn it frequently. Thank gods we have so many shops close by that sell cool products like that !

Nova

Peel that onion Tater. :D

Peel that onion Tater. :D Indeed ...
... the timeless pleasures of "peeling that ...
onion (t)radish-on" ... Tater.

SB.

You have no idea how much self restraint I have shown here, po-Tater (doh!!!!!).
Incidentally - the book that wifey is currently supporting is entitled:
'Potato':A tribute to versatility.

There's an honesty in the potato, that the self-conscious carrot will never comprehend.

Ok, so i officially started today, and was more or less just trying to figure out how to do everything. I am using the burmese position and its comfortable when you are in it, but hurts to get out of. In counting my breaths, i got up to 4 in trying to count to 10, i figure I have to start somewhere, right? We will see how much further i can progress every day and how much longer i can focus on it every day, ill keep whoever cares, or doesnt care, updated on how i do :)

I love incense and also burn it frequently

Yea smells can really intrude or please depending on the "fragrance" of co****....

nothing like trying to get in a "centered" state only to get a whiff of that trash you meant to take out two hours ago!!!!

I much perfer sandlewood or jasmine (lol)

I believe that all religions/spirituality and those who practice them are equal, and none are better than one another.

converges, emerges, comes together..all in one.....completely though..no real words really......being..... peace......inside.....
And Tater . . . G'Nome ~ Sidhartha,

Very Hippy.

Ian, gotta love the cattle roundup. MOOOOOO!




A man came seeking the master. He was directed towards a butchershop (no vegetarians in that village) and told to speak with the butcher.

One inside, he became distracted by the different cuts of meat set out on display. Overtaken by hunger, he forgot his quest.

He called to the butcher excitedly.

"What's the best cut of meat you've got here?"


"All of them,"

the butcher replyed.

I just burn it to burn it, Meadd..not for meditative purposes. (0:
Been doin' it forever, LOL!
I usually buy the Gonesh brand in Sandlewood (I bet you'd love that brand) and the Airs brand in Water or Fire.
I buy new ones also, so I won't get stuck, and not know what's available-but those are my favorites.
I buy the cones too, but you have to buy the cone 'holder', because those little guys get pretty hot, on their base.

Nova

Fourn
Ian, gotta love the cattle roundup. MOOOOOO!

Heavens! Did I say cattle? I meant MU! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koan)
:eek:

Fourn
Heavens! Did I say cattle? I meant MU! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koan)
:eek:
Joshu's pup demands Mu,
California cows say Moooo.

No barrier.

But where did that bull get off to?

That was my bull. Nothing lost. ;)

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I'm off to chase your animation. :)

.... I was wondering if if :
A)This is feasable for an ADHD person (I expect so b/c ADHD doesnt exist just in the affluent west as far as I know, and considering the amount of buddhist, i expect at least one is).
B) Has anyone tried this type of meditation before?

Yes. And yes.

All my life I could not make my mind still. When I began meditation, I found it difficult...my mind continued to be busy. I was told that this was normal, and that when I found my mind wandering I should gently bring it back to the word or phrase I had decided to focus on. By practicing this each day, for 21 minutes, it became very easy. Eventually, I found that I could quiet my mind in most situations....and be present wherever I was.

I'm told that the 'ideal' way to meditate is to empty my mind completely...to the point where I don't even need a word or phrase to focus on. I started by focusing on my breath...not counting, just being aware.

It is just so awesome to quiet my mind and be present in the moment!

But I still have to practise....I've found without regular practice, my mind once again stays in constant motion.

You two really do CRACK ME UP !!!!!
I have to tell you something-if I were to try meditate with you two, in an 'ecclectic' group meditation it would be a hoot !! But it wouldn't work because I would be laughing too hard !!!!! I know myself, and that's what I would be doing the entire time !!! I would find benefit in that- but I don't know how you two would feel about it..

All I would need is one 'Moo/Mu' and that would be IT !!!!

Nova

I don't really want to confuse everyone, so I really should scoot off of here, since I'm not buddhist-even though I do meditate, but it's not done the traditional buddhist way.
Talk with y'all later. (0:
Teach them well, Ian, Tammy and Stan-O !!

Nova

I have practically come to own this book I found in my school's library; Lao Tzu-Te Ching. I read one poem at some point everyday. I usually leave not understanding, but like a lake when the rain stops.

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Is it like we are trying to find a source, the brink of existence?

But we can't b/c the higher you turn up the magnification the further space recedes.

The End unreachable: You'll never find an end- b/c it's not there. (You sooner tap your own shoulder or perform a cartwheel, or something than find, "the end")...

Can you imagine everyone, looking at a circle and telling you, THIS IS WHERE IT BEGINS, and OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS WHERE IT HAS ENDED??? (I'd be thinking, repeat that would you? Or better yet, I repeat it to them and then they repeat it backwards or something--- now we've gotten somewhere!) A CIRCLE IS A SHAPE- A FORM, not unlike the universe has no beginning and no end.

Nova, all input about meditation is good, you are always more then welcome, i value your opinion, and it could also be that you have found something better that works for me, you can never know, im always up for alternative views.


Bosiphius, i like your circle point, its awesome and will help me explain buddhism to other people. Ive been doing it since saturday now and im definitely starting to be able to focus more, i can get to 10 breaths w/out any major tangent now and can just bring myself back into it, so its really nice.

I also didnt meditate yesterday and started to lose my cool headeness that i had, and started to worry about things, although i dont think thats just the reason, but it didnt help to have a time where i could calm myself, and it helped me today to do it, and im back in my calm relaxed time-independent mood again.

Been studying Buddhism on my own for the last year or so...I find it very complementary to my belief system...

I sense the flavor for zen Buddhism here... Do you all adhere strictly to Zen? or do you dab into other belief systems and or meditative practices?

reason I ask is cause most recently i had the opportunity to explore some different type of meditation technique(s)...Ananda Yoga...It is quite a bit different from the particular kind of meditation I have been exploring (Insight meditation...Vipassana in the Theravada tradition of Buddhism)

I havent been extensive into Buddhism, im only in an intro class to Asian Religions right now, but i have a high coherence of beliefs with Mahayana Buddhism, which Zen is school of. Im readin a book from a Mahayana monk right now and have pretty much agreed with everything he has said from back to about halfway through the book so far, its called "As it is" by Abhinyana, who is a monk that does not live in a monestary, and i really like this. I'm very anti-authority, and mahayana is much more towards my beliefs and that aspect than any other sect of buddhism.

since I'm not buddhist-even though I do meditate, but it's not done the traditional buddhist way.

:eek: Neither am I!

Didn't know this was a requirement..... :o

I am judo-Christian :eek:

Lean toward Baptist actually. As long as one calls the Baptist convention "gastpo" all is cool!!!! :p

God already knows so I don't bother trying to keep secrets from Him......

God is just happy for me to shut up and listen, as are most others who know me..... :rolleyes:

Besides the Bible even talks about mediation......and............done had that debate with an Assemble of God guy. Guy is cool one of my favorite people plus he aint Baptist either!!!!



I'm told that the 'ideal' way to meditate is to empty my mind completely

Well mine stays that way most times.

This is a personal thing I do and isn't related to any thing but meditation but I combine all my trains of thoughts into one large focus I begin by "visualizing it" I remove all words........inside my mind.....

Some times when things are realy buzzing I have to introduce music (instramental only-I like native american flutes and drums) the music is a secondary sensory input to keep me focused!!!!

I know this isn't traditional but it has saved many a lives mainly my own, not to mention I have been able to remain a member here :p

ive tried meditation for a long time and spiritual reading, in which one schooling said some people are just unable to meditate, and i believed i was one of them - my mind just keeps running

by accident i found while rocking my son to sleep in a rocking chair and saying prayers, and visualizing the "white light" coming down into my head, i was able to get into the zone :)

i found another teaching which uses breathing in and out while rocking and saying affirmations to be very good, tapes and videos are very good as well

also i made a cd of meditation music with spelling words for my son who is adhd and he loved it, it helps get him to sleep, he also likes to watch meditation for beginners by jack kornfield we recently bought and knows more than i do now (i always fall asleep before getting through half of it, need to try it in the daytime :)
now i have his brother watch it as well , both are sleeping better too and i hope the techniques will carry over into the schoolday for them to stay calm and focused, its great!

just my opinion - cat

ive tried meditation for a long time and spiritual reading, in which one schooling said some people are just unable to meditate, and i believed i was one of them - my mind just keeps running

Running brain is one of the reason's I have to introduce music some times.....spiritual reading I do for debates. :D ..(not in public areas of ADDF though)

don't really want to confuse everyone, so I really should scoot off of here, since I'm not buddhist-even though I do meditate, but it's not done the traditional buddhist way.
by accident i found while rocking my son to sleep in a rocking chair and saying prayers, and visualizing the "white light" coming down into my head, i was able to get into the zone

Running brain is one of the reason's I have to introduce music some times.
I listen to instrumentals when I meditate on the train in the morning. Blends in with the synchopation of the tracks and helps me still.


Walking can be meditation, visualization can be meditation, deep breathing can be meditation.

Repetative prayer, similar to turning a mantra (by any name) is meditation.

Whateva gets you there.

Many beliefs, many practices - - one head.