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02-16-06, 06:14 PM
This is for all the proud parents of beautiful Bipo children.
I would focus more on the results of this study, and not on some of the archaic words used by Ms. Brandt- i.e. 'disease/healthy children' etc., because this really is great news. (I can't change the wording in any articles I didn't author)

Of course, all of you already know, how creative your children are. (0;


More evidence of association between bipolar disorder and artistic creativity


Evidence that Vincent Van Gogh and other artists had bipolar disorder spurred research into its relationship to creativity.

School of Medicine researchers have shown for the first time that a sample of children with bipolar disorder and children at high risk for the disease score higher on a creativity index than healthy children. The findings add to existing evidence that a link exists between mood disorders and creativity.

The small study, which appears in the November issue of the Journal of Psychiatric Research, compared creativity test scores of children of healthy parents with those of children of bipolar parents. Children with the bipolar parents—even those who were not bipolar themselves—scored higher than the healthy children.

"I think it's fascinating," said Kiki Chang, MD, assistant professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and co-author of the paper. "There is a reason that many people who have bipolar disorder become very successful, and these findings address the positive aspects of having this illness."

Many scientists believe that a relationship exists between creativity and bipolar disorder, which was formerly called manic-depressive illness and is marked by dramatic shifts in a person's mood, energy, and ability to function. Numerous studies have examined this link; several have shown that artists and writers may have two to three times more incidences of psychosis, mood disorders or suicide when compared with people in less creative professions.

Terence Ketter, MD, professor of psychiatry and behavioral science and a study co-author, said he became interested in the link between mental illness and creativity after noticing that patients who came through the bipolar clinic, despite having problems, were extraordinarily bright, motivated people who "tended to lead interesting lives." He began a scholarly pursuit of this link and in 2002 published a study that showed healthy artists were more similar in personality to individuals with bipolar disorder (the majority of whom were on medication) than to healthy people in the general population.

Some researchers believe that bipolar disorder or mania, a defining symptom of the disease, causes creative activity. Ketter said he believes that bipolar patients' creativity stems from their mobilizing energy that results from negative emotion to initiate some sort of solution to their problems. "In this case, discontent is the mother of invention," he said.

As the researchers point out in their paper, it is also possible that creativity and bipolar have important genetic components that are transmitted together inter-generationally. There have only been limited studies investigating this; the Stanford study is the first to specifically examine creativity in the offspring of bipolar parents.

During the study, the researchers compared creativity in 40 bipolar patients and 40 offspring with creativity in 18 healthy adults and 18 healthy offspring. The children in the study ranged in age from 10 to 18. Half of the children of bipolar patients also had bipolar disorder; the other half had attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD, which appears to be an early sign of bipolar disorder in offspring of parents with the condition. The majority of participants with bipolar or ADHD were on medication.

The researchers included children with ADHD so they could study creativity in patients before the onset of full bipolar disorder. "We wanted to see whether having a manic episode is necessary for this sort of creativity," said Chang, who also directs the Pediatric Bipolar Disorders Program at Lucile Packard Children's Hospital.

Study participants were given psychiatric evaluations and then completed the Barron-Welsh Art Scale, or BWAS, a test that seeks to provide an objective measure of creativity. The scoring is based on "like" and "dislike" responses to figures of varying complexity and symmetry; past studies suggest that creative people tend to dislike the simple and symmetric symbols.

The researchers found that the parents with bipolar had 120 percent higher BWAS "dislike" scores than the healthy parents. The children with bipolar and the children with ADHD had, respectively, 107 and 91 percent higher BWAS dislike scores than the healthy children.

The findings imply a greater dislike of simple and symmetrical figures in children with or at high risk of bipolar disorder.

"The results of this study support an association between bipolar disease and creativity and contribute to a better understanding of possible mechanisms of transmission of creativity in families with genetic susceptibility for bipolar disease," the researchers wrote in their paper.

The researchers had hypothesized that the scores of children with ADHD would differ significantly from the scores of bipolar children so they were surprised when the scores did not. Chang said this indicates that mania is not what is fueling the creativity. "The kids with ADHD who hadn't been manic yet still had very high levels of creativity," he said.

The researchers also found a link between the length of a bipolar child's illness and creativity: the longer a child was sick or manic, the lower his or her BWAS dislike score. It makes sense, Chang said, that this illness could, over time, erode one's creativity. "After awhile you aren't able to function and you can't access your creativity," he explained.

BWAS dislike scores tend to decrease with age even in healthy individuals, so more research is needed, Ketter said.

Ketter said further studies are also needed to assess the role of genetic and environmental factors in creativity and bipolar disorder. The team plans next to examine whether the degree of creativity in parents correlates with the degree of creativity in their children.

This study was funded by the Heinz C. Prechter Fund for Manic Depression, a NAR-SAD Young Investigators Award, a Klingenstein Third Generation Foundation Fellowship and the NIH.

02-16-06, 07:19 PM
Thanks for posting that.

When you stop and think about it, it makes perfect sense.

A couple of yrs ago I was at a workshop on Bipolar Dis in kids.

One of the topics at the beginning was about famous people with (or suspected of having ) Bipolar.

I offered Kurt Cobain & Jim Morrison as two I suspected of, while other people mentioned the obvious ones like Edgar Allen Poe and Ernest Hemingway.

Other names that came up were Robin Williams, Jim Carey, Vincent Van Gough and Jonathan Winters; to name a few.

Either way, it makes total sense to me.

thanks again :)

mctavish23 (Robert)

02-16-06, 07:38 PM
You know every "disorder camp" under the sun has claims Van Gogh and Einstein. :)

02-16-06, 07:39 PM know me, McT.
Always accentuatin' the positive.
Considerin' I have Bipo in conjunction to ADHD. (0:

And on my personal time, I do wear funny lookin' clothes and shoes, and style my red hair 'short and flipped 'upwingy' and write poems, short stories, and more times than not I can't sleep because of the hundreds of song lyrics that I'm creating in my mind, along with the other ideas that won't stop....

Well you get the 'creative picture'. (0:
But it's so much fun being Just A Me 70% if the time, ya know ?

It's sooooooooo nice to talk with you again !!


02-16-06, 07:42 PM
My absolute fave famous guy who is THE poster 'child' for ADD is Leo Davinci.
I'm not sure about him having Bipo though....his self portraits were pretty 'moody', LOL! But I'm guessing, it's prolly difficult to keep smiling while you're painting those. (0:


02-16-06, 10:01 PM
I don't believe for one second that Einstein was Bipolar.

In fact, he's the antithesis.

I figure Van Gogh could have "split" time between the Bipolar and the Schizophrenic camps.

I believe that Hemingway might have been actually diagnosed,although I'm not positive.

Interesting thread though.


02-16-06, 10:31 PM
I read that Einstein was under the ADD 'disorder camp' (0:

Many famous people believed to have had BD (to name a few):

US Presidents: Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) and Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)
Composers: George Handel (1685-1759), Robert Schumann (1810-1856), Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827)
Writers: Leo Nikolayevich Tolstoy (1828-1910), Virginia Woolf (1882-1941), Ernest Hemingway (1899-1961), Charles Dickens (1812-1870)
Physicist: Sir Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
Actors: Patty Duke, Linda Hamilton, Jean-Claude Van Damme


02-20-06, 03:27 AM
Hi Nova,

Abraham Lincoln certainly had several major depressive episodes. There was a recent article in the Atlanic by Josh Shenk who's published a book uilizing recent scholarship about Abe's profound depressions.

No mention of DiPo. He sounds depressed throughout his life. The author makes a case that A L never overcame his depression, but that his greatness arose from the same system of melancholy that produced his suffering.

Cool study, BTW.

Cheers (no despairity)!