http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/cruise%20attacks%20psychiatric%20drugs%20again_11_ 04_2006
TOM CRUISE is attacking those who prescribe psychiatric drugs again in the May (06) issue of men's style magazine GQ. The actor, who embarked on an anti-drug tirade in TV interviews last summer (05) on behalf of his Scientology beliefs, has launched a fresh attack on psychiatry, calling for prescription pill poppers to think carefully about the harms they're doing to their bodies. He tells the magazine, "I've always found the 'if it makes me feel better, it's OK' rationale a little suspect. "I think it's appalling that people have to live a life of drug addiction when I have personally helped people get off drugs." In the interview, the actor claims he can get someone off heroin in three days through Scientology's detox programmes.

any idiot can get a heroin addict clean for three days just by handcuffing them in a cell. the trick, as any addiction counselor will tell you, is not getting them clean for three days, but getting them clean for the rest of their lives.

here's the thing that bugs me. cruise clearly has enough money that he could afford to attend medical school. if he really wants to pontificate upon medical matters, and i think that we can all agree that neuropharmacology is most certainly a medical matter, then maybe he should go to med school or stfu.

*news reporter impression* "incidently a strange report shows that tom cruise when trying to sign a petition, unfortunately due to height issues, not being able to read the title, ended up taking an iq test, the bizzare twist being the test results came back negative....back to you scuro"

I like what Tom is doing. He has made Scientology and their bizarre viewpoints known across the nation. Mention Tom Cruise and people say Scientology now....and it's a blessed association.:D People are more likely to talk about the twisted religous viewpoint he has on medication, and perhaps also bring up the Brooke Shields/postpartum depression slam he did. Now that sort of public "education" is priceless!!!

Keep tellin' us how it is Tom. :)

ROFL !!!

You make me wish I was twenty years younger, Dmx !!
What a hoot !!!

well he has managed, in his own way, to remind us all of the necessity of psychiatric drugs.

just not perhaps in the manner in which he intended.

And now from the from the BBC New Mag http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4887290.stm


... the L Ron Hubbard-founded church that Tom Cruise credits for giving him the tools to overcome a broken family home, nomadic childhood and even dyslexia, but also the organisation that is said to persuade its, often wealthy and famous, members to indulge in unusual rituals.
Inquiring minds want to know, what are those rituals? Dimx's surrepetitious IQ tests?
The sacramental curing of sacrificial drug addicts?

. . . Last month at the Razzie awards, which mark Hollywood's worst moments, these unsolicited pronouncements earned Tom Cruise a silver gong as "the most tiresome tabloid target". The gold award went to... Tom Cruise, for his unashamed romancing of his fiancée.

Enough already.

Just when we're trying to coax Chef back onto South Park with an episode dedicated to the great old man of the intergalactic sea.

"Just when we're trying to coax Chef back onto South Park with an episode dedicated to the great old man of the intergalactic sea."


I miss Chef being on SP. I miss all the characters that have been removed off that show, LOL!

Nova

we can all agree that neuropharmacology is most certainly a medical matter, then maybe he should go to med school or stfu.


Amen and amen!!!

You, *saw* me clapping also, when Hyperion said that, didn't ya Meadd ?

Hope ya didn't knock yer chair back when you stood up and yelped, LOL!

well he has managed, in his own way, to remind us all of the necessity of psychiatric drugs.

just not perhaps in the manner in which he intended. this made me actually lol.

*sigh* it's a shame really....*bites tongue to prevent guess psyh analysis of tom cruise*

that damn p-doc thread has started me off on an analysis rampage grrrrr :mad:

I agree scuro , let Tom hang himself and the church.
I wonder if he has any disorders, aside from foot in mouth.
The question is why is he the only one spouting off to the press, other stars are members of the church yet I haven't heard anything from them. Perhaps they have made him unofficial spokesman, so later they can disassociate from him. Time will tell, and so will his bottom line.
Goooo Tom, keep spewing garbage and raising awareness
Negative press about him on the issue only raises awareness of mental disorders

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that Tom Cruise now has a madman's look in his eyes?

i noticed that actually, u know in that news report when he was carrying that goats head....didn't strike me why until i read what stanzen posted

I don't know about the news report where he's carrying a goats head. ???
I'm almost afraid to ask!

Tom's definately got an insane gleam in his eye now. I often wondered if he wasn't high. I assume not though...I think he's just crazy. Odd how it shows in his eyes. I sure wish he'd go in for a diagnosis. It would be interesting to see what mental disorder he has.

must be used in the rituals that stanzen mentioned, thats what i'm guessin anyways

The question is why is he the only one spouting off to the press, other stars are members of the church yet I haven't heard anything from them. Perhaps they have made him unofficial spokesman, so later they can disassociate from him. Time will tell, and so will his bottom line.


They won't censure him because he donates tons of dough and has real star drawing power within the organization. Imagine going to a meeting where Tom is a speaker? They treat their stars like royality and have special "castles" where they are treated like kings and queens.

Imagine going to a meeting where Tom is a speaker?

To listen to what, to hear him pontificate what, that he was in the right place when casting for first movie? or of world concerns?
I mean he made a movie, big do do, does that mean he should be respected for his veiws ?

I know you aren't impressed by him, I'm suprised that everyone gets all excited when he speaks, the guy next door probably has more backround to express his opinions with

A "normal", everyday person (read: idiot) is impressed by losers like Tom Cruise. A cult like Scientology preys on idiots, because it takes an idiot to donate money to such a cause. Therefore, keeping Tom Cruise around, especially in today's anti-drug, anti-"everything but the good ol' protestant work ethic" climate that is seemingly permeating the US at this time (and seeping out to the rest of the world..thanks for nothing!) is a great way to get at idiots and their wallets. I'd bet that if it were all added up, donations from every day idiots FAR outweighed donations from celebrities like Tom Cruise. But you have to work harder to get that money (more people to convince).

Scientology is silly!

Someone please explain: Tom carrying a goat's head.

????

methinks it was meant in jest

methinks it was meant in jestme thinks ur right ;)

It was more likely, a silly prop, that he was using for a character role, that he was playing.

I don't like Tom Cruise, either, as an actor.

Therefore, I don't read much about what he has to say, since I only consider him to be an actor.

It was more likely, a silly prop, that he was using for a character role, that he was playing.

I don't like Tom Cruise, either, as an actor.

Therefore, I don't read much about what he has to say, since I only consider him to be an actor.
We are all actors on the stage of life. :)

Lol !!

some actors win the presidency ronald reagan , when we get a real person of charactor and business smarts but without a ton a charisma they lose - It was'nt supposed to be this way
I hear the idle in washington are gearing up to attack and run ,lets accessorize the whole world-go georgous

Now now William, according to message board rules you can kick Tom Cruise in the *** as many times you like...but don't talk politics!!

Now now William, according to message board rules you can kick Tom Cruise in the *** as many times you like...but don't talk politics!!
In this case, it's arguable that they're on the same level, to some degree.

In this case, it's arguable that they're on the same level, to some degree.

Same level?...do you mean George and ***? Or perhaps you are referring to politics and Scientology? I'm confused. :confused:

You just stick to chatter about TC, Scure.

You'll be better off doing so. (0;


Nova

You're not really discussing politics here? Oh, I thought not.

A "normal", everyday person (read: idiot) is impressed by losers like Tom Cruise.
I don't think most people actually want to hear TC ranting. But he is throwing out ideas that do fit with the usual cultural distrust of psychiatry, mental illness and medication.

A cult like Scientology preys on idiots, because it takes an idiot to donate money to such a cause.
Anybody can get sucked into a religious cult. Has nothing to do with intelligence.

Hey! Anybody down for a multi-cultural dinner tonight at my ranch? It'll be fun! The vans should be here any moment. Climb onboard.

Hey! Anybody down for a multi-cultural dinner tonight at my ranch? It'll be fun! The vans should be here any moment. Climb onboard

I am !!!


Got any ponies ? (0:


Nova

But he is throwing out ideas that do fit with the usual cultural distrust of psychiatry, mental illness and medication. plus i think that it also fits into a bit of the anti-intellectualism that seems to be once again rising in american culture. there are a number of different groups bleating the message that we shouldn't trust doctors, or scientists, or researchers, that expertise in any subject should automatically make one's opinion suspect. it's like the opposite of the argument from authority fallacy.

i've never understood this viewpoint. i've always felt that if someone devotes their career to studying a certain subject, that's a good reason to listen to them, not to be suspicious. if my car breaks down, the guy who's been a mechanic for thirty years will probably be best able to fix it. i do not understand why an actor would say 'no, you shouldn't trust the mechanic, he does this professionally, so he's just in it to make money. you should listen to me, because i'm not a mechanic, i didn't go to some fancy school to learn mechanics, i don't have any experience with cars. you don't know mechanics, i do.'

plus i think that it also fits into a bit of the anti-intellectualism that seems to be once again rising in american culture.

RISING!???!!!
It's in full bloom. :)

plus i think that it also fits into a bit of the anti-intellectualism that seems to be once again rising in american culture.this made me laugh so much lol

It's a sad realization, actually.

When I hear the phrase 'ignorance breeds ignorance'- I think of those who choose to remain ignorant- and I'm not referring to this topic, by the way.

Here is the article

Shields Says Cruise Has Apologized

Sep 2, 8:09 AM (ET)

(AP) Actor Tom Cruise smiles during a press conference, Saturday, Dec. 11, 2004, in Oslo, Norway. Brooke...
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BURBANK, Calif. (AP) - Brooke Shields says Tom Cruise has apologized for publicly criticizing her use of antidepressants after the birth of her first daughter.

The two had a public beef last year after the "Mission: Impossible III" star, echoing the position of Scientology, said in an appearance on NBC's "Today" show that depression can be treated with exercise and vitamins rather than drugs.

The 41-year-old actress says Cruise apologized in person Thursday.

"He came over to my house, and he gave me a heartfelt apology," Shields said Friday during an appearance on "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno.""And he apologized for bringing me into the whole thing and for everything that happened.

"And through it all, I was so impressed with how heartfelt it was. And I didn't feel at any time that I had to defend myself, nor did I feel that he was trying to convince me of anything other than the fact that he was deeply sorry. And I accepted it."

Cruise's spokesman confirmed the celebrities made up.

"It is true that his friendship with Ms. Shields has been mended," spokesman Arnold Robinson said in a statement. "He has not changed his position about antidepressants, which as evidenced by the black label warnings issued by the FDA on these types of drugs, are unhealthy."

Shields, who wrote "Down Came the Rain: My Journey Through Postpartum Depression," has dismissed the actor's remarks as a "ridiculous rant" and "a disservice to mothers everywhere."

Oh tom cruise why must you try and hide your insane views. Apparently the xenu scientology hive collective doesnt like bad press. Im suprised they didnt just try and sue every media outlet in the world, thats their usual MO for dealing with problems.

I think that Cruise's spokesman did the math and realized that while he had nothing to fear from pharmaceutical companies, the number of people in this country who have benefitted from modern pharmacotherapy, especially psych drugs, was large enough that he'd managed to alienate a significant number of potential viewers.

Also, I really don't like the fact that he's trying to draw the FDA's actions into this. HHS as a whole must remain apolitical in order to function effectively, and dumb comments like this trying to bring the decision on black-box warnings into his wingnuttery just makes the already complex and complicated drug regulation process even more difficult.

Cruise displays the misinformation I've seen in many about mental concerns. He' s fortunate not to have the problems of some of us. If some other fameous person in another field of endevor had said the same thing they would have been bar-b-qued by the media.

Hollywood is about entertianment, nothing more.

It sounds like Cruise is engagned in damage control after getting sacked by Paramount for his behavior.


ME :D

This thread, apparently has the immortality, of his Lestat character.

It'll never die. (0;

It sounds like Cruise is engagned in damage control after getting sacked by Paramount for his behavior.

Oh I knew he was sacked by some one I thought it was MGM – but I did get the sacked part right.

Night Line has a blurb speculating on weather or not his “termination” was due to his blabbering anti-psyc. All the head honchos at the studio would say is they could no longer “afford” to employee Mr. Cruise. Then they went into some thing about celebrity crime forgiveness . . . . well a drunk in public celebrity isn’t trying to make my life more complicated. I am guessing his last movie didn’t do sooo well!

Don’t tell Scuro but sense I read about Tom Cruises positions about psych and medications I haven’t bought, rented or watched any thing he has his name on it. Finically contributing to some one who is trying make it where the only way I can medicate may ADD is illegally some how doesn’t make sense even in my rrreality


Small group of us were deciding what movie to see . . . . .reading the movie thing on-line one by one discussing levels of interest . One of Tom Cruises latest was playing, the minute TC was mentioned Gary pipes in with Oh Tammy won’t go see that. What is the next listing?. . . . nothing like a well trained man who could use some of that psych medication himself !

Many people do not know about the anti-psych thing despite the fact he is known for his scientology “insanity”, they fail to make the connection, no one but Gary was aware (who learned it from me) Gary can now recite the reasons I do not “do” TC himself unprompted and unassisted. . . .Not one of the other people knew about his anti-medication idealism. Heck I didn’t know until the Tom Cruise thread series arrived here. . . . .now we are into Tom Cruise thread resurrections or is this a reincarnation, recycling???? Oh it’s thread immorality that is was what Nova called it! Sorry just got off the forgetful thread . . . . .

Here are the head lines covering the Tom Cruise and Paramount business seperation apparently the scietology thing did play a part in getting him sacked.

Money CNN (http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/22/news/newsmakers/cruise_paramount/index.htm)

***Source Quote
Sumner Redstone, CEO of Paramount owner Viacom (Charts), said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal that appeared in Wednesday's edition that Cruise's controversial behavior over the last year - including advocating for Scientology and denouncing the use of antidepressant drugs - was the cause for the move.

In May 2006, a USA/Today poll showed his public approval rating had slipped to 35 percent. Many of those polled cited his blunt criticism of actress Brooke Shield's treatment for depression and of psychiatry in general.***End Source Quote


I guess even the biggie money making movie stars aren't invincible and a little bit of *not* putting money in the pockets of people who are out to cause harm goes a long way. People who were previously unaware of or had forgotten about Tom's denouncing psychology and use of medication have been reminded by recent articles such as these.

I always knew a bunch of little guys could move boulders . . . .this makes psychiatry more popular than Tom Cruise? or simply the publics way of telling Tom Cruise to stfu!


More from CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/24/cruise.paramount.break.ap/index.html)

***Source Quote
Redstone may have been basing some of his reaction on the fact that negative public perception of Cruise has soared in the past six months in the closely watched Q Scores, which rate celebrity popularity. They indicate that negative perception of Cruise jumped nearly 100 percent since mid-2005, while positive perception fell about 40 percent.

He's definitely at his low point in terms of consumer appeal, among both males and females," said Henry Schafer, executive vice president of Marketing Evaluations Inc., the Q Scores company.
***Source Quote

~Underlining and bold mine~

I am sure he will try to make a come back but he is not getting any younger, and unless he learns to stuff the scientology crap I do not think it will last. . . . . . people are finally getting sick of the non-sense. His people are saying all sorts of stuff trying to make the sacking appear as Tom's idea but the entertainment industry does take stock in opinion's when they hurt the bottom line . . . . . .this Henry Schafer is being paid for his accuracy not his popularity so I am going by the Henry Schafer's dudes story . . . . . Apparently the movie industry as a whole is not doing so well . . . . .tooo many people on the internet . . . . .on forums . . . . . . .entertaining each other . . . . controlling their own stimuli . . . . .what a ride!

~* Early Merry Christmas Scuro *~

I am sure you are celebrating more than most - so enjoy! It is a sign of victory for all who are helped by psychiatry. . . .which includes a great many of us !

...but sense I read about Tom Cruises positions about psych and medications I haven’t bought, rented or watched any thing he has his name on it.hey - me, either. can't stand that putz!

It means that Cruise has to change his tune really soon or he is on the way out. He has damaged his own cause and needs to engage in damage control ASAP. My guess that a role in a moveie to change hgis image will be his next effort. I'd look for him to get low profile for a while and come back with a blitz promoting his new image. If he fails to pull it off he might as well take up a job selling used cars, imo.

ME :D

I wonder how much of his waning popularity also has to do with the garbage surrounding the birth of his child and how his wife was expected to perform. Half the population is female afterall! Maybe just too many foot and mouth issues adding up.

I know I was particularly appaled while hearing him explain on David Letterman how he miscalculated the air and turned it off in the back without telling the guy and then later laughed about it when the guy came to on the ground complaining of a terrible headache. He absolutely couldn't control his fit of giggled in telling that story. I certainly wouldn't be amused if I were the guy whose brain cells Tom Cruise so cheerfully sacrificed.

Scattered

It's hard to judge, but maybe things would improve if cruise would go bak into treatment for his adhd ?

He strikes me as a guy who is very scattered and impulsive. The longer he goes without treatment, the harder it is going to be for him to function in society as the comorbid issues will begin to pile up. He ought to know this by now, I'd think...

In a morbid sort of way he has become a model of what happens if we fail to address our issues as people with adhd. He is slowly dismantling his life with his ADDish antics. There is no bottom to it, and the public gets to watxch as he shoots himself in the foot over and over... I do hope for his sake that he wakes up and starts addressing his problems with adhd. In the meantime, we get to see a first class example of what NOT to ever do when you have ADHD, as well as the consequences of failing to face up to the fact that ADHD is a very real and serious disorder.

Me :D

I read recently that Cruise made a "heartfelt" apology to Brooke Shields for his comments against her taking anti-depressants.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_People_Shields.html

I think that the damage is already done and he will have to do more work than that to fix his image.

I take meds myself as an adult so I have a mixed belief about it... there are a lot of people with AD/HD that can be fine without meds but in my case it may or may not be the case... I don't like the incidence of the "Adderall Mom" who pops Xanax all day and neglects her hyperactive child by giving him/her a mega-dose of any stim (you could say Adderall is the new Ritalin) to the point where he stares at the wall while she nods out and doesn't have to do her job as a parent... not that I am imlpying that is the case with all people but it happens frequently (Tom probably reflects on cases to that extreme where it is the parent's mother's little helper pill and the child is a "zombie") I know of a few parents that are that bad but that is the common stereotype when it comes to AD/HD... not to mention the misdiagnosis issue (Bipolar kids given stims or vice versa) which is common when the stimulant drugs make children manic. Those are generalized as commonplace with that diagnosis and those are the only side of the spectrum that people like Tom Cruise see. I was on Dex at age 6 after 2 years of ritalin disasters and it was because I was unable to stay still and was grabbing hot irons etc... and my learning style was odd too... I learned to read at age 2 and was bored with it and never liked it afterword(I skip the boring parts now) and I wasn't a zombie child even though I went to school with some that were and that is what the image is around negative.

I think the stereotype "Adderall mom" is exactly that, a stereotype. Here on the forums we encounter anxious parents trying to help their kids. The prevailing attitude is one of concern for the child, and decidenly NOT one of abandoning and tranquilizing the kids.

The use of misinformation and the exaggeration of "facts" toward the generation of misinformation is a popular theme. I don't think we dare afford to legitimatize it. In fact, I see it as immoral, because suffifient fear and uncertainty has already been generated such that many kids are being negelcted and are underdiagniosed, and not recieving appropriate medical care by a politically minded medical system out to save it's own butt.

ME :D

I know I was particularly appaled while hearing him explain on David Letterman how he miscalculated the air and turned it off in the back without telling the guy and then later laughed about it when the guy came to on the ground complaining of a terrible headache. He absolutely couldn't control his fit of giggled in telling that story. I certainly wouldn't be amused if I were the guy whose brain cells Tom Cruise so cheerfully sacrificed.

I failed to mention that he was piloting an airplane when this happened and he miscalculated the air supply -- poor Tom isn't the only scattered one, but I definately agree with you Speedo. I hope reality sinks in and he is able to do what he needs to do to address his issues before it damages all her holds dear, especially that new baby carrying his genes.

Scattered

...In a morbid sort of way he has become a model of what happens if we fail to address our issues as people with adhd. He is slowly dismantling his life with his ADDish antics. There is no bottom to it, and the public gets to watch as he shoots himself in the foot over and over...

Very insightful. Thanks for putting it into words.

I'd look for him to get low profile for a while and come back with a blitz promoting his new image.


So much hanging low.... and letting people forget the past. http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/pressroom/

My list of never watch them again in any form shape or fashion"

Tom Cruise
Mel Gibson

An I thought mel was hunk-a-licious before the anti-semitic stuff-just can't respect his religious arrogance and then the drunken stuff. -I am not anti-rilion, not putting any down-just remarking on his hypocrisy. I respect people's beliefs even if i don't don't agree.

I need say nothing about Tom except that I wish he would go away!

RADD

hey - me, either. can't stand that putz!

:p :p :p !!!




I read recently that Cruise made a "heartfelt" apology to Brooke Shields for his comments against her taking anti-depressants

:confused: Heart felt or wallet felt????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Gale

Heres an interesting wiki entry on some other scientology shennanigans for all you tinfoil hatters. Apparently this kid philip gale was a scientologist and went to work for earthlink(which is at least partially financially backed by scientology). He wrote millions of dollars worth of software for them and made them very rich and then out of the blue one day decided to stop working for earthlink and cut his ties to scientology. Later claiming he was an ordained reverend of the church of the subgenius (a parody religion/art collective that have had more than their fair share of scrapes with scientology). Two years later he threw himself off the roof of a building at MIT without any real explanation.

www.subgenius.com Praise "Bob"