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wheresmykeys
04-17-06, 05:15 PM
Can dyslexia be late on-set?
I have never had serious problems with doing things backwards, until lately.
I mean, I occasionally wrote a word backwards, or a letter upside down, or forgot right from left...but I think only normal amounts, never enough to say I could be dyslexic
Lately it has escalated, and slowly getting worse, and I'm starting to wonder..

I write more words backwards, I can't reverse things in the mirror or in front of me(ex. I have a necklace with a word at the front and when I put it on I can't tell if it's reading the right way from the other persons point of view, whether I'm looking in a mirror or not). I used to be really good at that, and now I can't do it at all.
I can't tell where things are in relation to each other either, like for ex. if someone says "If I'm facing this way, in what general direction is (instert landmark). I'm aways way off! Other people say "oh it's this way" and point and I sit there wondering how thats possible, I was SURE it was the other way. I always was bad at that but I am much worse now.
I don't have any more specific examples, not that I can think of right now, but just in general I see a huge difference with this..the thought 'dyslexia' never even entered my mind until about 2-4 wks ago and now I think about it everyday because of things I do.
I didn't notice this until I started meds less than a month ago, does anyone think this could have any impact on it? That would be strange, I think, but it's the only idea I have.

Tara
04-17-06, 05:47 PM
It could be that it was always there but now that you are on meds you notice it more.

Scattered
04-17-06, 05:52 PM
I'd tend to agree with Tara. I notice a lot of spelling and reversal things I never noticed before meds.

Scattered

auntchris
04-29-06, 05:38 PM
That goes for me too SCattered.

auntchris
05-20-06, 07:01 PM
Do they have meds for dylexia ot is a skill you have to work on.

chloe516
05-20-06, 07:41 PM
Dyslexia is a neurological condition. I do not believe there are any meds for it at this time, but someone else may know better than me.

*~ §EEK ~*
05-20-06, 08:24 PM
From: The International Dyslexia Association website.


What is dyslexia?

Dyslexia is a specific learning disability that is neurological in origin. It is characterized by difficulties with accurate and / or fluent word recognition and by poor spelling and decoding abilities. These difficulties typically result from a deficit in the phonological component of language that is often unexpected in relation to other cognitive abilities and the provision of effective classroom instruction. Secondary consequences may include problems in reading comprehension and reduced reading experience that can impede growth of vocabulary and background knowledge.

Studies show that individuals with dyslexia process information in a different area of the brain than do non-dyslexics.

Many people who are dyslexic are of average to above average intelligence.



Are there other learning disabilities besides dyslexia?

Dyslexia is one type of learning disability. Others include...

Dyscalculia - a mathematical disability in which a person has unusual difficulty solving arithmetic problems and grasping math concepts.

Dysgraphia - a neurological-based writing disability in which a person finds it hard to form letters or write within a defined space.



Are Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) and Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder (ADHD) learning disabilities?

No, they are behavioral disorders.

An individual can have more than one learning or behavioral disability. In various studies as many as 50% of those diagnosed with a learning or reading difference have also been diagnosed with ADHD.

Although disabilities may co-occur, one is not the cause of the other.



How do people get dyslexia?

The causes for dyslexia are neurobiological and genetic.
Individuals inherit the genetic links for dyslexia. Chances are that one of the child's parents, grandparents, aunts, or uncles is dyslexic.



Is there a cure for dyslexia?

No, dyslexia is not a disease. There is no cure. With proper diagnosis, appropriate instruction, hard work and support from family, teachers, friends, and others, individuals who are dyslexic can succeed in school and later as working adults.



Can individuals who are dyslexic learn to read?

Yes, if children who are dyslexic get effective phonological training in Kindergarten and 1st grade, they will have significantly fewer problems in learning to read at grade level than do children who are not identified or helped until 3rd grade.

74% of the children who are poor readers in 3rd grade remain poor readers in the 9th grade. Often they can't read well as adults either.

It is never too late for individuals with dyslexia to learn to read, process and express information more efficiently. Research shows that programs utilizing multisensory structured language techniques can help children and adults learn to read.



How common are language-based learning disabilities?

15-20% of the population have a language-based learning disability.
Of the students with specific learning disabilities receiving special education services, 70-80% have deficits in reading.

Dyslexia is the most common cause of reading, writing and spelling difficulties.

Dyslexia affects males and females nearly equally, and people from different ethnic and socio-economic backgrounds as well.



How do I know if a person is dyslexic?

If a person exhibits several of the characteristics listed in "Common Signs of Dyslexia" --> (http://www.interdys.org/servlet/compose?section_id=5&page_id=44 ) and the difficulties are unexpected for the person's age, educational level, or cognitive abilities, the person should be tested by an educational diagnostician or a team of trained professionals. (It is important to note that the "Common Signs" are indicators, not proof of dyslexia. The only way to verify that an individual is dyslexic is through testing by a qualified examiners.)

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Hope that helps!*~ §EEK ~*

auntchris
05-21-06, 03:17 PM
Thanks you Seek

The inforamtion you wrote about was very interesting. I thought ADHD is a neurological disability. I knwo my epilepsy is a neurological based disorder . I also have a learning disabilitiy but I was never told what learning disability. I was told there are many learning problems due to epilepsy. I do have the same problems as someone with ADHD and dyslexia. I had asked the psychologist what would be my diagnoses if I didnt have epilepsy and he said ADHD and a learning disability.

I know i dont think it sequencial order when i talk. I jump around from point A to C to B and then back to A.

I have wondered many times why am I so different and I still dont know exactly what it is the diagnoses they gave me seems to be a cop out to me . It is so vague. They said i was mild neurocognitive disorder due to epilepsy.
So that is where I am coming from. :p;):D:rolleyes::confused:

*~ §EEK ~*
05-22-06, 04:58 AM
Thank you Seek
The inforamtion you wrote about was very interesting. Hello auntchris, and thank you for the compliment! :)
I thought ADHD is a neurological disability. I know my epilepsy is a neurological based disorder.
Are Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) and Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder (ADHD) learning disabilities?

No, they are behavioral disorders.Yeah, that "Behavioral Disorders" statement above was posted on "The International Dyslexia Association" website, and I simply copied it just as they had it posted! I personally don't care for the term "Behavioral Disorder"! Probably because it sounds rather ambiguous to me, but even more so it tends to remind me of when I was a child and was told regularly that I had a "Behavioral Problem"! LOL Either way, I still don't care for it!

It can be rather difficult keeping straight exactly which psychological problem is a "Disability" and which psychological problem is a "Disorder"! And regarding the point at which a "Disorder" become a "Disability" often seems to complicate things futher! But regarding their statement made on their website (That AD/HD is a "Behavioral Disorder") I believe is a little misleading, but is however an accurate statement! AD/HD is a "Behavioral Disorder" but it's also covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act, therefore making it a recognize "Disability"! Which was my 3rd reason for not liking the term "Behavioral Disorder"!
The diagnoses they gave me seems to be a cop out to me . It is so vague.
Yeah, I understand what your saying! Psychological problems are almost always a "Guessing Game"! They can only make an educated "Guess" as to what the problem is, and even though they are educated, in the end it's still only a guess! Right??? LOL :D

I originally typed a lot more in this reply to you auntchris, but it got so dang long that I decided to go ahead and post what you have already read (and see above) which specifically addresses what you had written in your post!
I'll post the other (long part) that I typed tonight in my next post in this thread!



Peace,*~ §EEK ~*

*~ §EEK ~*
05-22-06, 08:19 AM
Here is the 2nd part from the post above!


I long story about *~ §EEK ~*!

I have a really long story that I have wanted to share with everyone, every since I found the ADD Forums, and this seems like the right moment to share it with you all! So, if you hate reading really long posts, then you might as well just scroll on down to the next post (Now) my friends, because I'm about to let loose on ya all!! LMAO :D Ok, you've been warned!

I was diagnosed with dyslexia in 1975 and attended an (LD) learning disability clinic over an entire summer break as well as 1/2 a school year for some sort of dyslexia training that helped me tremendously to overcome the problems I was having in school at the time! However, I can no longer remember exactly what they did to help me overcome the problems I was having! I only know that it made an enormous difference in the grades I was getting, and my emotional state at the time.

The only reason I was diagnosed way back in 1975 was because my parents (fortunately) recognized that something was wrong, and they could afford to pay for the medical testing, as well as the help I received at the clinic out of their own pockets.

Back in 1975 there wasn't any LD testing done, or as it was called back in the 70's, "Special Education" classes in the school I was attending. But, the next year after I was diagnosed with dyslexia, they had both, an LD teacher, and LD classes. This change at my school took place because of my dyslexia, and this is the story that I have been wanting to tell here in the ADD Forums.

After the summer in which I received the help I needed for my dyslexia, I began my 1st year of junior high school! 3 days after school started I got caught with 3 other kids during lunch break smoking pot! When the teacher saw us, we all bolted to the nearest exit we could find! Apparently, one of us 4 kids dropped or threw the joint down when we all bolted for the doors! Well, obviously the teacher picked it up and took it to the school principle, because within an hour we all were in the principle's office! The principle sent the joint off to our state's FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) crime lab, and we were all suspended for the rest of the year! Yikes :eek:

Anyway, as I mentioned above, I had been going to a dyslexia clinic (For double sessions) the entire summer for my dyslexia, and I was suppose to be finishing up the last few sessions on weekends since school was starting up again! Well, needless to say, having four kids (11 and 12 year olds) smoking pot in 7th grade didn't go over to well in the small Kansas town we lived in! LOL And I guess it was especially alarming since it was only our 3rd day of school! :eek:

The principle wanted to make an example of the 4 of us, by kicking us out of school for the rest of the year! And we all got the boot for the rest of the year! However, my parents didn't want to just throw away all the money they had already spent at the dyslexia center I was attending, so they continued to drag me up to see the dyslexia specialist for my last few sessions.

Well, I guess the doctors at the dyslexia center somehow convinced my parents that being set back another whole year would not be advantageous for my already bad behavior and self esteem problems. And so, much to my relief, my parents decided that they would go to battle against the school principle to get me back into school as soon as possible! And so my parents went and hired a lawyer to go with us to juvenile court on the date(s) I was scheduled to appear. I'm not getting through my story fast enough, so I'm going to cut some corners, and cut to the chase!

My parents explained to the judge my dyslexia problem and fortunately got me back in school! And because I was let back in, the other 3 boys were also let back in! But they had so many strict rules and regulations for all of us that it ended up being a daytime nightmare that lasted an entire school year! LOL :) Oh well, that's what we all deserved anyway! Of course they wanted all 4 of us to regularly report to the juvenile parole officer!! LOL :D However, I didn't have to go to the juvy officer at all! Na na na na na na... :p Instead I got an entire year of torturous mind-bending child psychotherapy!! :( LOL

Well, we all almost made it thru to the end of the school year, except for me! At the very end of the school year, my parents were asked to come to the school for a meeting with the school board! LOL, I remember almost like it was yesterday, my parents sitting me down and asking me, "Just tell us what you did”, "You won't be punished", "We just don't want to walk into that meeting next week completely unprepared!” LMAO :D I remember I kept telling my parents over and over, "I don't know what I did", and "I don't remember doing anything wrong!" LOL

Well, the day finally arrived for the big meeting!! (And this is the part that I now remember so vividly!!!) Of course my parents took me along with them to the meeting and had me wait out in the car while they went inside for the school board meeting (I guess just in case they needed to ask me any questions about what I had done, or bring me into the meeting to face my accusers.) LOL

I remember sitting petrified outside in the car waiting, and waiting, and waiting, for the meeting to get over! Eventually, it finally ended, and my mom and dad came out of the building to our car were I was sitting literally scared out of my wits. When they came out of the building, I remember my mother had tears in her eyes, and for some odd reason, my father was smiling, which really confused me at the time! They both got into the car and told me that the school board wanted to know why there was such a dramatic change in my grades and behavior in school the past year!! LOL Boy howdy I was certainly relieved to hear that I wasn't in trouble and kick out of school for something!!! LOL

I certainly was ready to completely forget about the horrible and mysterious school meeting episode, but a day or so later, my mother handed me a letter, which she had written specifically for me to read. In the letter my mother wrote about how extremely proud she and my father were, regarding my accomplishments in school, and the changes in my behavior, both at home, and in school. It was such a wonderfully beautiful, and heart-felt emotional letter, that touched me so deeply, that to this very day, I still have the letter that my mother wrote to me, which is now over 30 years old!!! :)

Anyway, as I said previously mentioned at the very beginning of this post, the next school year, they had a brand new LD teacher, as well as, various LD classes, which a bunch of my classmates attended. As for myself, I never attended any of the new LD classes they had, which was probably because, by then my grades and behavior were a lot better! I guess it was probably because the teachers decided that I didn't need to attend any of the LD classes!

Which was fine with me, because I can still recall the kids that were not attending any LD classes, constantly badgering, and making fun of all the kids that were in the "Special Ed" classes!!! Unfortunately this led to me being consistently involved in verbal battles, and fistfights throughout my remaining years in junior high! Fortunately, during that time I was in school, all the little persecutors who enjoyed making fun of the kids that were in the LD classes, never figured out why I stood up for the "dumb" and "retarded" kids that were in the "Special Ed" classes! And for obvious reasons I never did tell anyone why I did either!

Both my parents and I were very happy when I finally got to leave my old junior high school for a "new start" in high school. Luckily I seldom got into much trouble during high school, like I did in junior high. I'm just curious, don't they now days call "Junior High School", "Middle School" almost ever where throughout the U.S.??

Anyway, regardless of what they call it now, my junior high school years (grades, 7th, 8th, and 9th) was a extremely unpleasant time for me, and is not something I would ever want to have to live thru ever again in my lifetime!! Fortunately however, I really did enjoy all of my high school years, which most likely is the reason why I even considered attending college after I graduated from high school.

Obviously I feel extremely lucky and proud to have had such wonderful parents in my life!! And in hindsight, I'm also a little proud of the fact that just by helping me with the troubles I was having in school, my parents ended up indirectly helping many other children to receive the same help and attention that I received, which also gave them another chance to be successful in school and in life.

However, when I stop to think about all the troubles that I put my parents thru, and especially all the money that they spent out of their own pockets to pay for the testing and training I received for my dyslexia, I can't help but feel guilty for being such a problem child! I realize that I shouldn't think and feel that way! It's not like I had much choice in the matter. Anyway, regardless of these obvious facts, whenever I stop and think about it, (Like at this very moment) I must admit, I still carry a certain degree of guilt for all the trouble I caused for them as a child!

Anyway, to end on a more positive note, I thought you also might find it interesting that just two years prior to me graduating from high school, my mother started going to college!! LOL She discovered after all the work she had done helping me get thru school as a stay at home mother, that she actually enjoyed teaching so much that she decided to go to college and become a teacher.

This made going to college for my sister, and then later for me, a particularly difficult if not odd situation to find your self in as a new college student!! If for example you received a poor grade in one of your college courses, you couldn't just go home and offer up an excuse such as, "You don't know what it's like mom", or even, "College is much more difficult now, compared to when you were going to college back during Stonehenge mom". LMAO :D

Obviously, those excuses wouldn't go over well at my house! So, that made going to college a bit of an odd experience! What made it a particularly difficult situation for us (Her children) was the fact that she was a straight A student all the way thru to getting her "Masters Degree"!
And not just a student that got mostly A's in college, but a full-blown "honors" graduate too! LOL :D
And not just a “Cum Laude" graduate, which is latin for, "with honor"!
And not just a “Magna Cum Laude” graduate, which means "with great honor"
She graduated “Summa Cum Laude”, which in latin means, "with highest honor".
Which is used to express "the highest academic distinction" one can achieve. Yikes!!! :eek:
Which I imagine could make some people feel as if they were competing against their own mom for the best grades in school! LOL :D The good news is, those types of issues didn't even occur in my family! Instead it was a warm and friendly environment of mutual support and understanding, which actually I think made us feel closer! :) Well, except during finals!! LMAO
Then everyone was stressed!!
After graduating my mother taught 4th grade for the next 20 years, and finally retired just this last fall.

Just as an interesting final note to my story! Back in 1995 after I had battled severe anxiety and depression for nearly 8 of the last 32 years of my adult life, my mother went to a teacher's conference and learned that children often do not "outgrow" ADD as they once had thought! She came home and called me on the phone and told me, "Honey, I think you might have ADD". Of course, at first I just laughed at her silliness, however she persevered until I finally conceded, and agreed to go and be tested! Of course, she was correct and once again changed my life with a blink of her eye!

Sometimes I think about just how lucky I have been, having such a cool mom and dad! But then reality rears it's ugly head and reminds me that I still have to carry a lot of emotional baggage for the rest of my life! I'm guessing, but I think at the rate I'm going I just may get all my emotional issues sorted out by the time I reach 80 years old! I also figured that If I don't get all my emotional problems sorted out by 80, it probably won't matter to me, because I probably won't remember what they were anymore! That's the best thing about getting old don't ya think?? That your memory starts to go?? LOL :D Just think about it! Some day our memories will be so porous that we will be able to hide are own Easter Eggs! LMAO :D Now that my friend is something to look forward to!! :)

I hope you all enjoyed my story! :)

Peace,
*~ §EEK ~*

auntchris
05-22-06, 05:54 PM
Oh my goodness Seek , believe it or not I read the Whole thing. Part 1 and part 2.
Yeah I dont like the term Behavioral Disorders either. I don't like the term Borderline Personality either. There are just labels names that need to be changed because of how the name of the disorder or disablity can affect the person diagnosed.


You sound like me in the way that when we were growing up neither of us were diagnosed correctly because of the lack of information at the time. I myself was just diagnose last yr as you know from the above post.

It is hard and I still dont think the diagnoses they gave me was thoroughly correct like I said i think it was a cop out because of the fact that I am epileptic. I do know others who were diagnosed ADHD with a learning disability and then me .... not. Well thanks so much for sharing your story .... it was longgggggggg and I did read it. It was interesting to read.... thanks :p:D:p

*~ §EEK ~*
05-23-06, 02:30 PM
Oh my goodness Seek , believe it or not I read the Whole thing. Part 1 and part 2.WOW! I'm impressed!
It was longgggggggg and I did read it. It was interesting to read.Yes, it was definately long! LOL I'm sorry!
However, I am very happy to hear that you found it interesting to read! In fact, even a little interesting is a good thing don't ya think?

I have tried to write that story every since I became a member here!
I seemed to always get off-track, and it would end up extremely longer than what you just read!

Interestingly, 5 or 6 days ago I started taking Strattera, and it's just like taking a stimulant to me! I even get the goose-bumps and the itchy scalp thing that one often gets when taking a stimulant! Plus, I'm getting lots and lots of things accomplished!

A couple of years ago I was going to a different ADD Doctor and I asked about taking Strattera, and was told that since I had taken stimulants that it wouldn't work for me!!!!!!!! I'm starting to think that Doctor was completely "Wrong" !!!

I have gotten more accomplished in the past two days, than I have in the past two weeks! LOL :) Plus I actually finished my story (Which you read) finally! I must have started and stopped writing my (long) story a hundred times since becoming a member!

Perhaps I should copy and paste my story in the greetings section! I have never posted a "greetings" in the "New member" section because I could never finish it, or I would get so side-tracked that I would end up with a post easily 2-3 times as long!

What do you think?

I don't know if I could make it any shorter than it already is. I left out tons of funny and interesting parts! For example, after the 4 of us got caught smoking pot, we were all sitting in the priniciple's office and the priniciple went along and "Smelled" our hands! LMAO :D If that wasn't strange enough, before he got thru, one of the students stuck his hand in his pants! LMAO :D Needless, to say he skipped "smelling" that students hands! LOL
I had lots of little things like that which I had to leave out!! Oh sure, I could probably still make the story shorter, but in my opinion doing so removes alot of my personality! If forced to, I could probably write the whole story in one paragraph, but it wouldn't be interesting to read, nor would it have any funny anecdotes!

So, what do you all think? Would that make a good introduction (greeting) for the introduction section, or not? Please be honest, because I will probably ask the moderator (Admin) to delete my story from this section, (leaving only a hyperlink) if you all really feel it should be in the greetings section! Please let me know!
Thanks!! :)


Sincerely,*~ §EEK ~*

auntchris
05-23-06, 11:17 PM
Actually Seek leave it like it is.

I like the fact that it is short simple paragraphs.
It makes it easy to read. :)
You can put in on 2 or 3 pages in your thread
in the New Members section so it easy to read or
one page.
I would put a warning at the top saying it is a really really long introduction. :D
I normally dont like to read really long messages but this was address to me
so i took the time because you put the effort into writing it.

I would leave it here to . Dot delete it or put just a link. I have done that too somewhere in here.
:p:p:p:p

ms_sunshine
05-24-06, 11:49 PM
Thanks for sharing your story, Seek. I have a feeling it will help a LOT of people.

PS ask your mom if she would like to adopt me.