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lion
06-06-06, 09:44 PM
Hey There!
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I'm looking to find a therapist in Toronto. My current Psych. is ok for getting medication, but the appts. are much too short and I don't feel like I'm getting enough support.<O:p</O:p

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I'm relatively new to ADD and I haven't been able to find meds that work really well. I'm looking for someone to help me along the way, as well as to help with me through the other parts of treatment.


I'm not really in to going to group sessions (other than this site).
Any ideas?
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Lion

FunkyWalker
06-08-06, 11:07 AM
This might help
http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/state/Ontario.html

Hudson85255
06-09-06, 09:54 PM
Hi.
I found the same problem and had to go up to get assessed in Barrie. Expensive and a pain but necessary, of course. Anyway, the doctor advised me to check into the university system (if one is a student), as they have referrals, etc.

If not a student, the Clarke (former - now CAMH - Centre for Addiction and Mental Health) has a service that involves adults. Your own doctor could recommend you for that, and from there you could get another referral to a "proper" psychiatrist/psychologist. The former can prescribe drugs, I gather, but the latter cannot.

I am stunned that a city as wonderful and, I thought, "with it" as Toronto has had Adult ADD groups close down and has so few obvious conduits to help. There is an ADD "meet-up group," but, perhaps like you, I don't want a group and just want some practical as well as analytical assistance. It is a mystery to me that Toronto is so barren in this regard.

Hope this helps.
Hudson

QueensU_girl
06-15-06, 09:24 AM
My Queen's University (Kingston, ON) ADHD doc just called the CAMH ADHD doc's office, and was told (by Heidi, his ADHD Admin Assis't) that there is no doc seeing Adult ADHD pts.
*sigh*

NB. Unlike Anxiety, Depression and Schizophrenia, this ADHD stuff is barely covered by OHIP in the rarest of instances.

-Testing is not covered.
-Psychologists are not covered.
-Psychiatrists who "beleive in" and are trained in ADHD are rare; and impossible to get into see.

A person can only get into see an Adult ADHD MD if:

-They pay for their own Testing. (or use an Ont Gov't Grant to pay for Testing.)
-They are interested in doing Post-secondary. (Guess i sorta understand that.)

However, i tend to agree with Dr. Larry Silver who says: "ADD is not a Learning Disability, it's a Life Disability."

I think that Society cannot understand the Costs of Untreated ADD well enuf yet. (Even the cost of under-education due to disorganization and executive dysfunction; and the cost of car accidents from inattention.)

QueensU_girl
06-15-06, 09:31 AM
When i talked to the Ontario Ombudsman abou this crisis: I was told to write Ontario Health Minister George Smitherman if i wanted more ADHD Services in Ontario.

dreamweaver
07-04-06, 08:30 PM
I am very new to ADD (not new to ADD, but new to actually doing something about it). I got a new family doctor after not seeing any MD for several years (I am 40) - mentioned to my GP the possibility that I might have ADD (based on a program I saw on TV and subsequent breif research on Internet) and was referred to a shrink who specializes in it, and within 2 months I had a consultation. It cost $500 (extra-billed), but was worth it. Have been on meds for 1.5 months, a variety of different ones, and have had radical improvement in symptoms. still working on the precise meds, due to side-effect issues, but things already much better.

Don't know if this helps, but there it is.

Missfit
07-11-06, 08:23 AM
I actually only really got help when i saw a neropsychitrist.

i don't recieve psycho therapy- just medication. But feel great over all and i am from the toronto area.

QueensU_girl
07-17-06, 06:30 PM
I was told that the Clarke (CAMH) is not taking patients for Adult ADHD patients. That is straight from Dr. Umesh Jain's office. (He is the Adult ADHD doctor.)

My Kingston ADHD Doctor tried to make a referral to Dr. Jain in May or June 2006 for me.

nature
08-15-06, 11:25 AM
My therapist called Dr. Jian and was told that he only deals with children now

The Clarke recommended Dr. Mayer Hoffer and Dr. Steve Sibalis ... that was it. Sibalis seems to be taking patients as I called yesterday and got a call back today. I got in to see Hoffer after a few weeks. Just FYI anyone else who might be looking. It's been a while since anyone posted here.

sweet pea
09-19-06, 10:42 PM
Hi all,

I'm new to this whole ADD thing - or at least knowing that what I have been dealing with is ADD. I'm indebted to my boyfriend (has ADHD) for recognizing my symptoms.

I saw your posts about adult ADD doctors; I'm seeing Dr. Steve Sibalis right now, actually. He really cared to listen and took the time to explain everything to me about meds and treatment. I got the recommendation from North York General when their own ADD specialist was booked for at least 5 months. We're still trying to find the right med for me: on Adderall XR right now 40mg a day. Things are really looking up. :)

Dr. Sibalis does assessments, but they're not covered under OHIP. My mom's got a great health plan, but for some reason, most health plans don't cover assessments unless they're done by a register psychologist. Dr. Sibalis is a psychiatrist. Anyhow, it is $500 with Dr. Sibalis for an assessment, but I feel it was well worth it.

Oh, and my boyfriend is seeing Dr. McLean whose office is at her house on Post Rd. She doesn't seem to be taking new patients at this time though, but comes highly recommended.

Good luck with your search!


C.

QueensU_girl
09-23-06, 09:24 AM
I find it really sad that some docs go on to choose to only deal with children -- because -- most of the rest -- only deal with children.

My impression is that Adults, due to lack of good early care/diagnosis, tend to have picked up other problems on the way (eg anxiety, depression), so they are seen as being more complicated than young kids.

HOWEVER, there are ADHD Adults out there who are quite bright, motivated and want to live their best life -- but we need the right meds and guidance. (Talking about myself here.)

I'd really like to find a way to do a Masters of some kind, for example, that can use the strengths of my skills to academically acheive it. (Rather than relying on needing to challenge the weaknesses of my ADHD/LD-isms in struggling to achieve it).

Don't they say that a Mind is a Terrible Thing to Waste?

Sometimes I wish I'd never heard of Adult ADHD. </statement coming from a dark place>

Treatment seems like a mirage.

I mean, really, does anyone ever get better with just a medication -- esp if they were missed for so many years b/c they could do well in school, when younger??

Missfit
09-26-06, 08:24 AM
I find it really sad that some docs go on to choose to only deal with children -- because -- most of the rest -- only deal with children.

My impression is that Adults, due to lack of good early care/diagnosis, tend to have picked up other problems on the way (eg anxiety, depression), so they are seen as being more complicated than young kids.

HOWEVER, there are ADHD Adults out there who are quite bright, motivated and want to live their best life -- but we need the right meds and guidance. (Talking about myself here.)

I'd really like to find a way to do a Masters of some kind, for example, that can use the strengths of my skills to academically acheive it. (Rather than relying on needing to challenge the weaknesses of my ADHD/LD-isms in struggling to achieve it).

Don't they say that a Mind is a Terrible Thing to Waste?

Sometimes I wish I'd never heard of Adult ADHD. </STATEMENT place dark a from coming>

Treatment seems like a mirage.

I mean, really, does anyone ever get better with just a medication -- esp if they were missed for so many years b/c they could do well in school, when younger??ADD or ADHD is not an excuse for failure.

Everyone has a cross to bare and there own challenges to overcome,

as individuals we all have to do that.

Yes there r times when im hyper as hell and i'm uniquely different, but you have to utilize those things and use them to your advantage.

If you set yourself up for failure and blame everything on ADD/ ADHD or the obsticles that you face you will never get ahead - that is true of people with add and all of society.

Hesione
09-28-06, 04:08 PM
HI,
There is an interesting organzation called
The National Center for <NOBR>Gender Issues and ADHD</NOBR>

<NOBR>website http://www.ncgiadd.org/</NOBR>

<NOBR>Dr. Nadeau published this book Understanding Women With AD/HD (Paperback)
by Kathleen G. Nadeau (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author-exact=Kathleen%20G.%20Nadeau&rank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterank/104-6248618-6413527) which has become my ADD bible.</NOBR>

QueensU_girl
09-30-06, 11:14 PM
re: 12

I think the point was missed.

Chris G
05-31-07, 10:40 PM
My therapist called Dr. Jian and was told that he only deals with children now

The Clarke recommended Dr. Mayer Hoffer and Dr. Steve Sibalis ... that was it. Sibalis seems to be taking patients as I called yesterday and got a call back today. I got in to see Hoffer after a few weeks. Just FYI anyone else who might be looking. It's been a while since anyone posted here.
So Dr. Mayer Hoffer and Dr. Steve Sibalis are the only two ADD Dr.'s in Toronto that anyone knows about?

Chris

QueensU_girl
07-12-07, 01:44 PM
If you have testing paperwork done:



LDAO may have a list of Doctors.
Tel: 416-929-4311



ALDERcentre.ca may have a list of Doctors.
Tel: 416-693-2922

deanco
01-14-09, 04:26 PM
Sorry to bump up an old thread, but I recently have seen Dr. Hoffer, what is the general consensus regarding his abilities for ADHD/ADD treatment?

TorontoTherapy
04-05-09, 05:36 PM
I'm looking to find a therapist in Toronto. My current Psych. is ok for getting medication, but the appts. are much too short and I don't feel like I'm getting enough support.<o>:p</o>:p

<o>:p</o>:p
I'm relatively new to ADD and I haven't been able to find meds that work really well. I'm looking for someone to help me along the way, as well as to help with me through the other parts of treatment.


I'm not really in to going to group sessions (other than this site).
Any ideas?
<o>:p</o>:p

Lion[/quote]

Hi Lion,

You may want to check out www.TorontoTherapyDirectory.ca, it is a new directory with some highly qualified psychotherapists that believe in helping patients with ongoing therapy that uncovers root causes and helps address current situations.

Good luck with your search!

dissolved girl
04-05-09, 07:16 PM
Sorry to bump up an old thread, but I recently have seen Dr. Hoffer, what is the general consensus regarding his abilities for ADHD/ADD treatment?

if it's the same dr. hoffer, then it is the doc my dad used to go to, and i believe he got good care and was treated successfully (he is on ritalin and strattera and it works for him).
i'd realy like to get an appt with him, as my other psychiatrist doesn't specialize in ADD and seems slightly clueless about it, but when i called he said he won't have an opening any time soon and my doc would have to refer me.


i understand your frustration, lion. i really realy want to explore more treatment options for the ADD, and get a throughout examination for it, but the only way to do that other than meds with my usual pdoc is to get an assessment with a psychologist, and the psycho-educational assessments are at least a few hundred dollars. and thats after they lower the cost to fit my financial situation at the moment. i definitely can't afford that any time soon. i hope to get a job after june and i can finally pay for it (ironically it would prob help so much more with school if i got it right away before i graduated, but hey what can ya do...).

i think i would just get much superior treatment if i were to recieve an assessenment/testing/examination more than just my doctor talking to me about it briefly then looking at my childhood report cards and him deciding that i do or don't have it just from that. it sucks.



i agree Hudson85255 that is it odd and like i said frustrating that it's hard to find proper care for it here. maybe i'm just spoiled but when it came to my other psychological problems (bipolar, depression, anxiety..) it wasn't difficult to find very low cost and reasonably good methods to help, as well as places to go to for those problems.

hollyduck
04-06-09, 07:05 AM
ADD or ADHD is not an excuse for failure.

Everyone has a cross to bear and their own challenges to overcome,
as individuals we all have to do that.

Yes there r times when im hyper as hell and i'm uniquely different, but you have to utilize those things and use them to your advantage.

If you set yourself up for failure and blame everything on ADD/ ADHD or the obsticles that you face you will never get ahead - that is true of people with add and all of society.

YES, it is good to know yourself and then succeed despite the barriers that life has dealt you. Lots of us do that, and do it amazingly.

But NO, it is no good to blame yourself or let yourself be blamed for your shortcomings and pretend that there aren't any barriers -- that with heroic work and concentration, anyone can function exactly like anyone else, and if you don't you haven't tried hard enough.

There are limits to human energy, and to time. If the effort needed to accomplish something requires most of your energy and all of your time, then the other "extras" in life (like family, for instance) get elbowed out, or else the main accomplishments are never completed.

Sometimes I wish I could be hyper like you (I am inattentive) but in my rare hyper interludes, I know much of my energy gets dumped into doing things over, doing them twice, filling out sticky notes and endlessly trying to organize, leaving less energy than other people for actually getting things done. It's only recently that it has dawned on me that organizing, all by itself, isn't really "getting things done." It's more like riding a stationery bike, and I have been on that bike for decades.

Anyway, I apologize if this seems too pushy. But I get annoyed with the people in my life (doctors, even) who tell me to pull my socks up and just try harder (and that if I don't try harder then it just proves I don't really want whatever-it-is.) I only have two socks, and they're already up past my knees.

Ducky

lostsoul
04-06-09, 12:21 PM
Hey I'm not sure if you still need a doctor or not, but I have been seeing:

Dr. Issac Szpindel
York Lanes medical health centre
York University
416-736-5525
(sorry don't have fax #)

I've been seen him for almost a year now. Seems like a pretty good doctor. Has helped me a lot, very nice guy. A little rough at first since he tries to catch people faking ADHD, but afterwards extremely helpful person!

He doesn't have a waiting list and is taking on new patients. You need a reference from your family doctor sent to his office and then he can see you.

He's a neurologist so you don't have to pay psychologist fees! OHIP covers it all!

Good luck!

dissolved girl
04-06-09, 01:21 PM
Hey I'm not sure if you still need a doctor or not, but I have been seeing:

Dr. Issac Szpindel
York Lanes medical health centre
York University
416-736-5525
(sorry don't have fax #)

I've been seen him for almost a year now. Seems like a pretty good doctor. Has helped me a lot, very nice guy. A little rough at first since he tries to catch people faking ADHD, but afterwards extremely helpful person!

He doesn't have a waiting list and is taking on new patients. You need a reference from your family doctor sent to his office and then he can see you.

He's a neurologist so you don't have to pay psychologist fees! OHIP covers it all!

Good luck!

OHIP covers it.. that's great. i see it's in york uni, do you have to go there to be able to see him? york is so far for me too, damn

dissolved girl
04-06-09, 01:41 PM
Hey I'm not sure if you still need a doctor or not, but I have been seeing:

Dr. Issac Szpindel
York Lanes medical health centre
York University
416-736-5525
(sorry don't have fax #)

I've been seen him for almost a year now. Seems like a pretty good doctor. Has helped me a lot, very nice guy. A little rough at first since he tries to catch people faking ADHD, but afterwards extremely helpful person!

He doesn't have a waiting list and is taking on new patients. You need a reference from your family doctor sent to his office and then he can see you.

He's a neurologist so you don't have to pay psychologist fees! OHIP covers it all!

Good luck!

also, what kind of testing/assessment does he do? my doctor didn't do that much, besides as me a few questions and look at my report cards from when i was a kid. :/

lostsoul
04-06-09, 09:16 PM
also, what kind of testing/assessment does he do? my doctor didn't do that much, besides as me a few questions and look at my report cards from when i was a kid. :/

You don't have to be a York student to see him.

He does pre-testing, but not the actual testing. If you have an assessment/testing done then take it to him and he can help you out.

I already had testing done so I'm not sure what his testing involves. Never hurts to ask.

IBR770
04-24-09, 01:07 AM
Hi to all. I am happy I found this place. I just found out i have ADD few months ago. I live in Toronto and go to Dr. Hoffer. I think he is good and knows what he is talking about. I have tried Dexedrine and it did help me with concentration and people who know me told me that my tone of voice changed and i was more put together when i talk and more present and sounded better overall. Than in addition to Dexedrine Dr hoffer gave me Wellbutrin once a day it was terrible not for me at all. i was mad and angry and hostile even so that didn't work for me. I am trying out Adderall since Tuesday i don't know if its working but i defintely have the side effects my heart rate goes up a lot it did with Dexedrine too. to the point where i can't catch my breath.
Has anyone tried non stimulant medication and how was it?
thank you.

lostsoul
05-18-09, 01:05 AM
Hi to all. I am happy I found this place. I just found out i have ADD few months ago. I live in Toronto and go to Dr. Hoffer. I think he is good and knows what he is talking about. I have tried Dexedrine and it did help me with concentration and people who know me told me that my tone of voice changed and i was more put together when i talk and more present and sounded better overall. Than in addition to Dexedrine Dr hoffer gave me Wellbutrin once a day it was terrible not for me at all. i was mad and angry and hostile even so that didn't work for me. I am trying out Adderall since Tuesday i don't know if its working but i defintely have the side effects my heart rate goes up a lot it did with Dexedrine too. to the point where i can't catch my breath.
Has anyone tried non stimulant medication and how was it?
thank you.

Strattera 80mg and Modafinil 400mg. Worked better than the stimulants because they didn't cause ups and downs. Well... maybe not Modafinil, but it wasn't addictive.

Looking at possible Modafinil and Strattera combination in the future.

QueensU_girl
07-17-09, 10:04 AM
Any more updates on this thread?

QueensU_girl
07-17-09, 10:05 AM
http://www.cpso.on.ca/whatsnew/news/default.aspx?id=1486

re: Mayer Hoffer

zsazsa
08-13-09, 03:45 PM
Here is my rant and a site to find some local TO doctors who treat ADHD.

I live in the GTA and struggled to get a correct diagnosis even after seeing 2 psychiatrists in my local community. The 1st one diagnosed Bipolar 2 (also known as Hypomania) and had me on useless drugs for 5 years which she even suggested I stop taking as they didn't seem to be helpful and "you don't seem to need them." The next psychiatrist I was sent to because I requested ADHD meds from my GP. He declared I had become 'manic' and said no to them. I told him that even if I WAS manic, the ADHD could still be treated. (all he gave me was a mood stabilizer that I only agreed to take because he was threatening to sign a Form 1 and have me committed!) I begged to be sent to a new psychiatrist (the other was retired) to have a 'specialist' make the decision about my meds. I said I would take bipolar meds if it was warranted but I wanted the ADHD to be addressed as well. The 'idjut' I was sent to told me up front that " I don't bother with that kind of thing at all" ( meaning ADHD) and he was only interested in whether or not I was bipolar. His verdict- "you must be bipolar since you talk very quickly!" What????? The consult letter he wrote my GP stated exactly that! Perhaps he got his medical papers in a box of Cracker Jack popcorn! Sheesh!

I was livid with this treatment and told my GP that I wanted a psychiatrist who specialized in treatment of both Bipolar and ADHD. He said he did not know of a single one. I countered with, "If you have a patient who needed treatment for another specialized area of medical expertise, what would you do/where would you go to find one? Doesn't the OMA have a listing?" I got a shoulder shrug in response.
My response was, "Then I'll do an internet search and google the name of one, even if it means I have to go to the US to get one." (I figured I was NOT going to be able to get a referral from the GP for one up here and in the US my $$$ will get me whatever I want). So I googled and got names.

I saw a doctor in TO and was told that in fact, I am NOT Biploar and NEVER was, should NEVER have taken any of the meds I was previously given by the previous psychiatrist and to STOP and DESIST from taking the mood stabilizer the GP had forced on me with the threat of hospitalization! He actually apologized for the ignorance of the 2 psychiatrists I had seen previously (called them ignorant and misguided) and the GP that I had been dealing with. He said there is a broad lack of knowledge and understanding even in his profession about ADHD and Bipolar. He sees patients all the time that have been diagnosed as ADHD and are really bipolar and ones like me that are ADHD and NOT bipolar, and also ones who are both!

I've started taking stim meds and yes, I'm feeling a lot better about myself. After all the fighting and arguing I have done with these other doctors I really had begun to wonder if I was wrong and they were right.

Sure I was getting upset and emotional when I was seeing my doc but it was because he was NOT listening to me at all about what areas I was having difficulty with. I knew my 'behaviours' were classic ADHD since my dad was an (undiagnosed) ADHDer, my son is a DIAGNOSED ADHDer, and I'm in a field where I work with children who are continually being diagnosed as such (SpecED). I've known for years that I was one not like my GP tried to suggest that I was thinking- "You know, you can't CATCH ADHD as an adult." Grrrr!

Just talked to my Pdoc who called to check on my response to my new medication level!! Anyway, enough of this rant! There are professionals who are knowledgeable about Adult ADHD out there and only a google away!

I found my guy by just putting in "Adult Adhd and Bipolar" and I found a support group where a woman of similar age mentioned her Pdoc name and reccommended him for anyone looking for someone who is caring. Yes, his name was on the list I found on this site I'll give you.

www.adrn.org (http://www.adrn.org) When you go to this site, click on the Adult ADHD heading on the sidebar and presto! the list!

Hope my link helps some of you out!

TanyaC
06-09-10, 09:14 AM
Hello Everyone,

There doesn't appear to have been much said on this thread for sometime, but I'm hoping that people still check it sometimes. I am in Toronto, and have a psychiatrist who I began seeing for anxiety and bulimia. After undergoing treatment for bulimia and doing much work on my anxiety I have begun to uncover other issues that for me are without question, underlying. I have had attention issues and have struggled with obesity my whole life - and although I'm intelligent, have never been able to succeed in school and was morbidly obese for much of my first 20 years. Sadly my pyschiatrist seems fixated on her diagnosis of a bulimic with anxiety disorder and refuses to consider the possiblity of there being other issues at play.

This is long-winded I know, but what I am asking for is help and or recommendations of pyschiatrists who specialize in ADD or atleast who are open to possiblity of there being multiple issues at play.

On a side note, I find it ironic that there are doctors who will label ADD specialists as being bandwagon doctors who see ADD in everything they see, but who themselves do the same thing, only with whatever their specialty or most-common diagnosis is.

I'm so frustrated right now!!! I want a doctor who will consider the progression of my life and look at the timelines and everything as a PICTURE, instead of zeroing in on one moment of my life and saying - yup that's it - obviously you just need to work harder at that.

Thanks for listening to my rant.

FrustratedFredd
09-19-10, 11:56 PM
Sometimes there is information posted on totallyadd.com

add_girl
09-23-10, 03:27 PM
http://www.cpso.on.ca/whatsnew/news/default.aspx?id=1486

re: Mayer Hoffer
Is this the updated link?
http://cpso.on.ca/uploadedfiles/Discipline_Decisions/H-J/HofferM200805.pdf

I went to Queen's University too btw! :)