I didn't know whether to append to the hand writing poll or start a new thread. You know what I choose.

Dr. George Bush (Harvard Medical School) published a paper linking the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex to ADHD. Most of Bush's stuff was "why" he is drawing the concluion and most of that went over my head. But the conclusion is the dACC (dorsal anterior cingulate cortex) subserves cognition and motor control and the "normals" dACC lights up for rewards. Conclusion: dACC area of the brain is serving the executive function area and a bug in dACC will show up in executive functions which, if I am not mistaken, are processed in pre-frontal cortex.

That being the case, then ADHD should affect motor control also.

With no meds, my TOVA response speed was retardedly slow. On meds, I blew out the top of the scale and averaged out at 138.

By why? Was it me ol brain didn't get it or couldn't get the signal for finger to push button quick enough?

The tree I am barking up is none of my motor controls were tested nor were asked about during my ADHD eval. I think the brain crowd is overlooking a dead ringer.

Bob

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Boo hooo ahoooo, I'm in tears .....

Any you dudes super atheletic in stuff that takes eye/hand coordination .... hitting a baseball, a returned tennis ball, a soccer ball slamed with whatever.

I suck at all. Even though I am above average strength 54 year old geezer.

What about you?

Bob

LOL sorry Bob, the name George Bush just makes me shudder :D.

I have never taken the TOVA test either, nor am I male.

I am perfectly awful at sports, though I was once upon a time able to twirl anything you put in my hands (by that I mean performance twirling of appropriate items such as batons, rifles, sabers and flags). OK I know someone will laugh at that image of me as a majorette, and also know someone will have a filthy-minded connection to that statement as well :rolleyes:, but hey, I was GOOD...until they expected me to spin more than once in a circle and still have my equilibrium. Never managed more than one complete revolution.

Is that what kind of thing you mean Bob?

Crazy (yes I used to march and twirl and my team had more trophies than all the sports at my school did combined so there :p )

That being the case, then ADHD should affect motor control also.

What effects brain affects the body, what affects the body effects the brain! It is really that simple. :cool:



With no meds, my TOVA response speed was retardedly slow. On meds, I blew out the top of the scale and averaged out at 138.


Okay and what of us hyper types we have ADD as well as any one but we are not necessarily slow responsively or physically?

Just a quick little side note here, ummmm except for increased control over our span of attention medications do not give us abilities we don’t already have. My spelling is a prime example.

Because medications give me the attention span to spell check my post you do not see how bad my spelling is however medicated or not medicated my spelling sucks. I can swallow half a bottle of adderall and I will still spell on a fifth grade level. Now what you see on post will be different because I adjust for this deficit.



By why? Was it me ol brain didn't get it or couldn't get the signal for finger to push button quick enough?

BTW- to prove my point I am unmediated at this time but still able to post and spell check. The things I learned while medicated can be used by me even when I am not taking the meds.

I am who I am pills do not make me more nor does not taking medication make me less of a person. Medications do NOT give you abilites you do NOT already have;they simply make it easier for you to be able to "display" the abilities you do have.

It took a while for me to be able to understand this my self.



The tree I am barking up is none of my motor controls were tested nor were asked about during my ADHD eval. I think the brain crowd is overlooking a dead ringer.

Motor control can be observed “on the sly” more accurately than “tested” in some cases. Did ya fill out forms? Walk into the doctor’s office? Fidget with the forms you were handed? Observations are made by medical personal all the time and much of this observation is done without being “announced” because what you see “unannounced” will be closer to that person’s natural state.




What about you?

I am a “dudette” I am pretty coordinated I swing hammers and hit nails all day does that count for coordination?. I can hit the wings off a fly with the claw end of a hammer :eek: that would be medicated and other wise. :D

I also participated in martial arts and was a part of a demonstration team!

When I performed I found a full dose of medication for my ADD actually decreased my ability to perform. Because there were so many distractions in a performance I used to take half doses because it was enough of an attention booster I could concentrate “past” the multitude of distractions but I still have my natural ADHD “bounce” that seemed to improve my ability to perform.

What effects brain affects the body, what affects the body effects the brain! It is really that simple. Yep. As obvious as the nose stuck in middle of my face. Tough to see the little bugger cause I don't do crossed-eye well.

Okay and what of us hyper types we have ADD as well as any one but we are not necessarily slow responsively or physically? ... My spelling is a prime example.Not to bad on spelling except those times when a word just don't look right. Nothing looks right about. The spell checker suggestion doesn't look right.

I can swallow half a bottle of adderall and I will still spell on a fifth grade level.That is as funny as a screen door on a submarine. I'm on meds today so I can refrain from my as funny "as exlax on a diareha ward ..." line of just how funny that is.

It took a while for me to be able to understand this my self.I get it. It took a while but I get it. Wanna know what? I'm freaking good at what I do. The pain is it taking 50 years to see that. Daaaaaaaaamn. It is painful. The emotional pain of ADHD is so unbearable, frankly, I prefer death to unmanaged ADHD. No hyperbole there. Simply fact.

Motor control can be observed “on the sly” more accurately than “tested” in some cases. Did ya fill out forms? Well, I'll be son-a-gun. Psychologist's says "you have a healthy measure of OCD traits." How'd he figure that out? I had little "qualifying marginal notes" all over the forms I'd filled cause most answers were somewhere between the integers 1,2,3,4,5. "Yeah, but it is not 3, not 4 I'd say I'm about a 3.76549." So I had to write a few hundred thousand lines of marginal verbage so I could be accurate.

But I don't think I'm the least bit OCD :D

I am a “dudette” I am pretty coordinated I swing hammers and hit nails all day does that count for coordination?. I can hit the wings off a fly with the claw end of a hammer that would be medicated and other wise. To tell you the truth, I don't give a hoot about my motor control stuff.

The problem we have here in NEPA is doctors are afraid to let patients take a leak unless they have a bladder MRI first. The idea of prescibing a Schedule II based on nothing more than patient feedback is for them like doing brain surgery because the patient complains of a headache. I soooo wish someone would come up with a ADHD test that operates like one of those frankenstein type wiring devices they glue on chest and when it displays a linear line you get rushed to emergency room and no one questions whether you are really sick or "on the prowl" for a buzz.

I sent problem to RN friend. She sent me rheams of info mostly documenting studies by the shrinks at Harvard Medical School. They validate most adults require more than 40mg Adderall for efficacy. The studies reported no adverse affects on doseages much higher than what I need.

I am armed and dangerous. We'll see what happens at next appointment.

Thanks for your insights.
Bob