I stumbled upon this article yesterday!

http://psychrights.org/Drugs/Stimulants4ADHD/TheTruthaboutStimulants.pdf

I stumbled upon this article yesterday!

http://psychrights.org/Drugs/Stimulants4ADHD/TheTruthaboutStimulants.pdf


WTF is that crap seek??????

Something I stumbled upon that will probably get the Anti-stimulant folks all whipped up into a pep rally fervor! LOL :D

However, I still post pertinent information I find regardless of my own personal Pro-stimulant use views for treating AD/HD! :)

Ironic that as I was reading this my alarm for my afternoon Ritalin when off...

THanks for the link though, I'm gonna go read the studies she cited since I am more than a little intriqued by the LACK of actual citation considering the size of the biblio.

On a more personal note: I must say- her work is a stellar example of biomedical reductionism.

Ironic that as I was reading this my alarm for my afternoon Ritalin when off...

THanks for the link though, I'm gonna go read the studies she cited since I am more than a little intriqued by the LACK of actual citation considering the size of the biblio.

On a more personal note: I must say- her work is a stellar example of biomedical reductionism.Yeah, I'm not sure who she is exactly!

She even disses a Barkley study!

I'm looking forward to hearing from some of our more "In the know" folks on our forum regarding this article!

Have a good day! :)

Something I stumbled upon that will probably get the Anti-stimulant folks all whipped up into a pep rally fervor! LOL :D

However, I still post pertinent information I find regardless of my own personal Pro-stimulant use views for treating AD/HD! :)
Good for you...I think is because you like to start crap sir! Watch them all get frothy at the mouth and go bieserk!!!! brat :D

From the same Website:

http://psychrights.org/index.htm

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PsychRights®
Law Project for
Psychiatric Rights (http://psychrights.org/default.htm)
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The Law Project for Psychiatric Rights, a non-profit, tax exempt 501(c)(3) organization, has a mission to bring fairness and reason into the administration of legal aspects of the mental health system, particularly unwarranted court ordered psychiatric drugging. The public mental health system is creating a huge class of chronic mental patients through forcing them to take ineffective, yet extremely harmful drugs. The purpose of the Law Project for Psychiatric rights is to promote and implement a strategic legal campaign in support of psychiatric rights and against unwarranted court ordered psychiatric medication akin to what Thurgood Marshall and the NAACP mounted in the 40's and 50's on behalf of African American civil rights. Help us prevent unwarranted forced drugging with a secure on-line tax-deductible donation.

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The motivation of the Article makes more sense to me now that I have read their mission statement!
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Good for you...I think is because you like to start crap sir!Nah....that wasn't my intentions Hope!

I read that article last night a 3 A.M. and it kind of upset me! So, I told myself that I was going to post it here tomorrow (Today) and get some other peoples input!

However, after reading their mission statement today! I now realize that the entire article is skewed toward (In favor of) their agenda of only presenting stimulants in the most negative light possible! In other words it's completely biased!

Therefore, the article doesn't bother me as much as it did last night!

No, this is good info Seek. It's good to be informed about what's happening with the FDA and medications. But I took a look at this and saw pictures of Nancy Reagan with "JUST SAY NO" on it and that's about all I needed to dismiss this as a joke.

PsychRights....geez, what can be said about a group of mentally ill people who band together to protest against their doctors' advice to take medication?

Oy

@§eek:
What exactly does the link say about methylphenidate?

Unfortunately I don't have the time to read 35 pages..:faint:

@§eek:
What exactly does the link say about methylphenidate?

Unfortunately I don't have the time to read 35 pages..:faint:
It says it's bad for your heart, makes your brain shrink, and will turn you into a coke fiend. :eyebrow:

It says it's bad for your heart, makes your brain shrink, and will turn you into a coke fiend. :eyebrow:LMAO :D That's about it in a nutshell!

In fact, that's the entire article in a nutshell! LOL :D

@§eek:
What exactly does the link say about methylphenidate?

Unfortunately I don't have the time to read 35 pages..:faint:
That's the thing. It doesn't actually say ANYTHING. She lists a lot of factiods from large studies but then does not (in writting, it may have been in the presentation) provide any interpretations or conclusions. Furthermore the stuf she does provide makes large jumps of logic that do not meld with either stastical analysis or reason. In a wider reading of her chosen factoids, one notes that there is no mention of the methods (why I'm doing the reading myself of those studies) and no mention as to social or psychological factors.

As for the group itself, I saw the word non-profit but I did not see the words "peer reviewed". Meaning it is an activist group and therefore has an agenda. I will now pass around the salt should anyone wish to read more the their info.

PsychRights....geez, what can be said about a group of mentally ill people who band together to protest against their doctors' advice to take medication?

OyAnd vey!

Is there enough salt to bury this thing somehow?

Crazy :D

This isnt really suprising. Ever try to get a GP to prescribe any form of Benzodiazepine? You could be a hardcore agoraphobe that leaves the house once every 5 months and they will give you everything possible (SSRIs, SNRIs, MAOIs, anti-psychotics) to keep from having to give you a sedative. They are dead convinced that there really are benzo fiends out there somewhere in a dingy alleyway shooting up xanax with muddy puddle water.

I don't know if thats ironic or just wrong when compared to my sister-in-law being prescribed Xanax to deal with wedding day jitters.

I don't know if thats ironic or just wrong when compared to my sister-in-law being prescribed Xanax to deal with wedding day jitters.Nor do I, Proscrire, considering the docs seem to practially throw various benzos at me for nearly any complaint. My psydoc recommends that I ask my GP for allergy meds, claiming that they help me sleep...and the sad fact is that might actually work! :eek:


Crazy (how lucky I am to have a psydoc with ADHD)

Yeah, D.B. I would have to agree with Proscicire and Crazy~Feet on this one! I didn't find much resistance from my doctors to prescribe them for me.

I took 2mg Kalopin every day for 6 years, and the only reason my doctor stopped prescribing it was because I told him I didn't think I needed to take it anymore, which I was correct about. It worked well while I found other ways to deal with my ADD anxieties.

The bad thing about the benzos is that after a while you form a tolerance to them and have to take more to get the same therapeutic effect. Therefore making them particularly susceptible to abuse for some people.

Fortunately I wasn't one of those people!

my take, is that the viewpoint is that of (adult) children who are angry about being forced to take meds as kids. i can see both sides, both for myself, and friends I had as a kid and retained into adulthood. at the same time, i firmly believe that if i was *properly* medicated, and my family was committed and compliant, i *could* have been more successful in school. but at the same time, im facing the same decisions with my own kids now, and it's tough not to be torn, when there are possible health concerns, and their bodies are so little and you love them more than life ... you know?

my take, is that the viewpoint is that of (adult) children who are angry about being forced to take meds as kids. i can see both sides, both for myself, and friends I had as a kid and retained into adulthood. at the same time, i firmly believe that if i was *properly* medicated, and my family was committed and compliant, i *could* have been more successful in school. but at the same time, im facing the same decisions with my own kids now, and it's tough not to be torn, when there are possible health concerns, and their bodies are so little and you love them more than life ... you know?I hear ya Melv and I don't even have any children of my own yet! But, I think I would probably lean toward giving them the medications only because I don't want them to have to suffer as much "emotionally" as I have had to in my lifetime!

It's ok if they are unsuccessful financially in life! Everyone can find happiness without having much money, right?

But, I can't stand the thought of them having chronic self esteem, depression, and anxiety issues because I denied them the medications that would have helped prevent many of these types of emotional issues!

More than likely I would try to be moderate in my views and give them medication vacations on weekends and holidays as well as the summer breaks if possible. I guess it would also depend on the severity of problems they are having too!

Peace

Nor do I, Proscrire, considering the docs seem to practially throw various benzos at me for nearly any complaint. My psydoc recommends that I ask my GP for allergy meds, claiming that they help me sleep...and the sad fact is that might actually work! :eek:


Crazy (how lucky I am to have a psydoc with ADHD)

Actually, my grandfather (also a dr) told me the same thing. But you don't need a script; just get plain old over the counter Benadryl or Nyquil. Knock you right out and clear out sinuses. :)

We love you, we love you, you giant %&*(ing Q.--Dennis Leary

benadryl *might* help you sleep, but for me, even if i do sleep, i can count on feeling awful the next day. xanax on the other hand, i feel 100% fine.

Yeah, D.B. I would have to agree with Proscicire and Crazy~Feet on this one! I didn't find much resistance from my doctors to prescribe them for me.
You're very lucky then. I found psychiatrists far more open to benzos in comparison to GPs. Theres a particular social anxiety board i read alot and there are some very unhappy people who are given completely inappropriate drugs for anxiety (risperdal comes to mind). Simply because their GPs are scared to hell of benzos.

On the topic of sleep and anti histamines. Theres a rather unique anti depressant named Remeron that has very little side effects in comparison to SSRIs. It has a unique action on histamine receptors and will just knock you out. Its more sedating than any benzo, trazadone, ambien, soma, etc. It shouldnt be very hard to get prescribed as its viewed as rather safe in comparison to some of the previously mentioned drugs.

Benadryl=family history of idiopathic response. Means all of us will rev up and bounce off walls if we take the stuff (this has been tested on 3 generations so far).

NyQuil=alcohol. Means me-no-consumey! Denis is great stuff though.


The joke with my psydoc was over the enormous amount of benzos my GP gave me for anxiety and sleep :rolleyes: yet seemed to neglect the raging allergy symptoms I always have. I wanna get a nasal spray and some eye drops and psydoc quipped "Hey! Tell your MD they help ya sleep!"...http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/kzrainbow/drummer.gif...well, I did say he had ADD didn't I?

Crazy

I found psychiatrists far more open to benzos in comparison to GPs.Yes, I'd certainly agree with that! :)

Just as an F.Y.I.:

Here is another thread regarding this article on our forum --> Rebuttal to Truth about Stimulants (warning: long and long winded) (http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31192)

It says it's bad for your heart, makes your brain shrink, and will turn you into a coke fiend. :eyebrow:
Ahh, but does it give you anal leakage? That would be my number one red flag for any drug :D :p

Nor do I, Proscrire, considering the docs seem to practially throw various benzos at me for nearly any complaint.
Crazy (how lucky I am to have a psydoc with ADHD)

Yeah, I seem to have them thrown at me a lot too, especially since I don't currently take any ADD meds. I mentioned once to my doctor that my husband was going to be out of town for awhile. She immediately asked me if I wanted to go on anti-depressants til he came home. :eek: I was so offended. Yeah, I love my husband, but, I am not so weak that I can't take care of myself when he is out of town.

Yeah, I seem to have them thrown at me a lot too, especially since I don't currently take any ADD meds. I mentioned once to my doctor that my husband was going to be out of town for awhile. She immediately asked me if I wanted to go on anti-depressants til he came home. :eek: I was so offended. Yeah, I love my husband, but, I am not so weak that I can't take care of myself when he is out of town.
Are you serious??? Some people are just crazy.

This "Collection of Facts" is laughable...

Notice, even when talking about the atypical (antidepressants in particular) stimulants, they list all the negative reactions, but never any of the life enhancing or rehabilitating effects of the substance. Well any of the substances for that matter.

Like other amphetamine compounds, bupropion's behavioral effects include anorexia,
insomnia, arousal, agitation, mania, and psychosis. That’s the whole list of effects huh...

This is a joke, by someone trying to make a name for himself, with half truths and generalizations, hiding behind a lackluster list of studies that fail in an attempt to make it look half credible.

The "facts" are that amphetamines have been used for the past hundred years with a very wide range of therapeutic value. And yes they have been abused, but they have shown time and time again in studies (not mentioned in his report for some reason) to not lead to substance abuse.

At least when I try to fake a paper in a class, I put a little effort behind it to make it appear credible. This is just a very, very poorly made "study" filled with half truths and one sidedness.

i was thinking also, that id NEVER heard that about buproprion and i research the heck out of anything that goes into my body (including food!)!
the 3rd time i was put on wellbutrin (several years apart), i did experience insomnia, but the 1st 2x it was as if it was a sugar pill.
and ive never read anything about those side effects. maybe those are the "EXTREMELY RARE" ones that either no one actually gets, or the person already had before the med.

Yeah, I seem to have them thrown at me a lot too, especially since I don't currently take any ADD meds. I mentioned once to my doctor that my husband was going to be out of town for awhile. She immediately asked me if I wanted to go on anti-depressants til he came home. :eek: I was so offended. Yeah, I love my husband, but, I am not so weak that I can't take care of myself when he is out of town.
Oh, that is just insulting. Good bye Mr. Doctor man. I know when my hubby leaves for a out of town game, usually 2 or 3 days gone, I'm esctatic to have the free time. Chick flicks and pepper steak!

i was thinking also, that id NEVER heard that about buproprion and i research the heck out of anything that goes into my body (including food!)!
the 3rd time i was put on wellbutrin (several years apart), i did experience insomnia, but the 1st 2x it was as if it was a sugar pill.
and ive never read anything about those side effects. maybe those are the "EXTREMELY RARE" ones that either no one actually gets, or the person already had before the med.
I'm the same way. Before I even fill the script pass me a PDR. I never found all this stuff she mentioned about the stims.

Yeah, I seem to have them thrown at me a lot too, especially since I don't currently take any ADD meds. I mentioned once to my doctor that my husband was going to be out of town for awhile. She immediately asked me if I wanted to go on anti-depressants til he came home. :eek: I was so offended. Yeah, I love my husband, but, I am not so weak that I can't take care of myself when he is out of town.Lemme at this lady Chele! :mad: For shame! And she is a female doc??

:soapbox: WTF is the world coming to??!!

Crazy :cool:

Daven, a chemist is a welcome gift here. Thank you for the expertise.


This is a joke, by someone trying to make a name for himself, with half truths and generalizations, hiding behind a lackluster list of studies that fail in an attempt to make it look half credible.

Ok, a doc, female doc said this? Is it all in your head too? :D I agree, husband gone-like having kids gone. Love the break. Even women can be misogynists.
Are you serious??? Some people are just crazy.
Melv, I do the same thing-and it has been a life saver too. Especially the drug interaction checkers. Some stimulants have more risks for people with certain health problems. If I had not known.....How does heart attack sound?

was thinking also, that id NEVER heard that about buproprion and i research the heck out of anything that goes into my body (including food!)!
I take concerta and ritalin. A dumb GP started me on cylert-anyone can read that it is not a first-line stim b/c of liver damage possibilities. I couldn't research right then-taking 16 semester hours in 8 weeks-perfect idea for ADD:eek: .

RADD

Yeah, I agree with all of you, I rent chick flicks, let the house get messy, eat ice-cream for dinner, etc when my husband is out of town. I miss him, but, I am not going to go into major depression over it. The doc I went to back then must not know how strong us ADDers are. :p

I take concerta and ritalin. A dumb GP started me on cylert-anyone can read that it is not a first-line stim b/c of liver damage possibilities. I couldn't research right then-taking 16 semester hours in 8 weeks-perfect idea for ADD:eek: .

RADD
I used to take cylert, that is the drug that turned me off to taking meds. I loved how I lost a bunch of weight on it, but, I couldn't pay attention at all on it, or at least, not on anything I wanted to. I would sit for hours studying how the fabric on my drapes was constructed...Then, if I drank, I would act psychotic (not that there is anything wrong with that)....My grades went from A's to F's really quick.

This is just a very, very poorly made "study" filled with half truths and one sidedness.Amen brother! :)

The sad thing is that people actually read articles like this and then don't properly medicate their children and the children end up suffering academically and emotionally, there by setting them up for all sorts of self esteem problems as well as anxiety and depression issues as adults!

Yeah, I agree with all of you, I rent chick flicks, let the house get messy, eat ice-cream for dinner, etc when my husband is out of town.
If you're having that much fun when he leaves town, you would probably more likely need the antidepressant when he returns! LOL :D

If you're having that much fun when he leaves town, you would probably more likely need the antidepressant when he returns! LOL :D
Hey, Chele, tell your doc that! :D Now, how can I get mine to leave? Oh, I go to St. Louis tomorrow-he offered to come along-said no. Don't want him sitting in the gynecologist's office with me listening to mammogram jokes and female complaints. I can read, write and relaxe and then go for some retail therapy before my Internal medic visit. I drive 2 hours, so I pack em in when I can.

Yes, seek, we tell mammo jokes. Very, very, estrogen fueled ones too. You don't want to know. Welll....if you are are very brave boy......

What does this have to do with stimulants? The truth is, they are a very good therapy for several conditions such as ADHD and Narcolepsy-Well researched, warnings stated, controlled by the US Gov, and continually studied and improved or reformulated.

Truth is if I wander like this ON stimulants......

Yes, seek, we tell mammo jokes. Very, very, estrogen fueled ones too. You don't want to know. Welll....if you are are very brave boy......I work in Radiology! I know more mamm jokes than I care to admit! :)

I work in Radiology! I know more mamm jokes than I care to admit! :)
pm me a few-to add to the wall in my doc's office. Carry this over to the elephant thread.

I would sit for hours studying how the fabric on my drapes was constructed...Far out, man. :faint:

Yeah, sounds like some street drugs we have all heard of. But, it got old being that high that often....

If you're having that much fun when he leaves town, you would probably more likely need the antidepressant when he returns! LOL :D Hey now, I have fun with him home too. It's just nice to get a little ME time every now and then, you know, watch some 'Lifetime' movies (which he would never allow in his presence). I really do love having him around too, but, we all need a little time to ourselves. We are still individuals. :D

Hey now, I have fun with him home too. It's just nice to get a little ME time every now and then, you know, watch some 'Lifetime' movies (which he would never allow in his presence). I really do love having him around too, but, we all need a little time to ourselves. We are still individuals. :DIt was only a joke silly! LOL :D

I know you well enough to know that you love your husband! :)

How far off topic we have come. If there ever was an example of the ADDer's life without stimulants......This is a textbook example. 0 to off topic in a nano sec.

Chele: I would sit for hours studying how the fabric on my drapes was constructed (on cylert)
Wow, I do that with no or on meds-but then, I weave the fabric-I am a fiber artist. Just now organizing my yarn and will be weaving in about a month. Study patterns everywhere-don't tell my doc.

We keep hearing about desoxyn on the forum-I thought of a reason that docs won't prescribe and pharms won't carry-legal issues. The truth is desoxyn is medical grade methamphetamine-better stuff than any meth head could ever dream of cooking.

So....why cook if you can rob a pharmacy? At gunpoint with people there. Then there are the doc hoppers-like Rush Limbaugh-going to several docs to get enough to feed the addiction. Then there is the PAPERWORK, this alone stops many things in the world. There is even more accountability with desoxyn than the other amphetamines. Then bring in the lawyers and the high cost of malpractice insurance. Just one person with a bad experience and there will be ads on TV for class action law suits.

So.... For doc and pharms-this is your business without meth $$$$$, this is your business when dispensing meth-________________. Again, the lawyers get rich, others get kicked in the proverbial patooty.

RADD My 2 cents-a penny for yours?

This "Collection of Facts" is laughable...

This is a joke, by someone trying to make a name for himself, with half truths and generalizations, hiding behind a lackluster list of studies that fail in an attempt to make it look half credible.You're pretty darned good at getting me whipped up into a pep rally fervor Daven! LOL :D

Let's go find old crazy Gracie and kick her Azz! LOL :D

Wow, I do that with no or on meds-but then, I weave the fabric-I am a fiber artist. Just now organizing my yarn and will be weaving in about a month. Study patterns everywhere-don't tell my doc.

:D , you're funny

We keep hearing about desoxyn on the forum-I thought of a reason that docs won't prescribe and pharms won't carry-legal issues. The truth is desoxyn is medical grade methamphetamine-better stuff than any meth head could ever dream of cooking.

Hmm...where can I get some again? :D Seriously, I sometimes wonder if cylert was just a bad med, and maybe I should be trying another stimulant, I don't know, feeling scared to try...:(

Hmm...where can I get some again? :D Seriously, I sometimes wonder if cylert was just a bad med, and maybe I should be trying another stimulant, I don't know, feeling scared to try...:(
I was leery myself, but I've had such a great experience on a low dose of Concerta that I would support giving it a try. Now I can let go of the fact that one of my bedroom drapes is sewn slightly crooked :)

You're pretty darned good at getting me whipped up into a pep rally fervor Daven! LOL :D

Let's go find old crazy Gracie and kick her Azz! LOL :DHaha, agreed! :D