A lot of this article is tongue in cheek - but also rather accurate, IMHO.

http://www.grcne.com/procrast.html

<CENTER>THE PROCRASTINATOR'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY, AND OTHER IMPORTANT SPOTS IN THE UNIVERSE

</CENTER>by
Deirdre V. Lovecky, Ph.D.



A Procrastinator's Guide to the Galaxy is vitally important since otherwise few of them would ever get there, having left it to the last moment to find out where they are going. Oh, they have the general big picture. They are going somewhere in the vicinity of Betelgeuse. It's just the details that escape them. Somehow Procrastinators fail to appreciate that it's a big universe out there, no matter how many times they are told. So, they never make a plan.

Procrastinators actually come from an alternate universe, one in which time is elastic. In their universe, time infinitely expands to allow them to complete things whenever they get to them. It also contracts allowing them to actually experience little pain from negative consequences. In this universe, there is always reward and never much punishment. Thus, they can play the day away, confident that they will be able to get that report finished before bedtime, and will suffer absolutely no agony in doing it. The Procrastinators Universe is a happy one.

When Procrastinators emigrated to Earth though, they found very different conditions. Time here is laid out in a linear sequence. Things take a long time to accomplish. Elasticity is different too. Instead of infinite expansion when there is a deadline, time instead speeds up. It also speeds up when there is anything fun happening. Time only slows down when something distasteful or negative is going on, like actually doing a report, or suffering a consequence for not doing a report. Naturally the Procrastinators took a long time to cotton onto this state of affairs. Sadly, they were unable to adjust because the Procrastinators' sense of time is built into their genes. So, while they were able to note that everyone else got their reports done on time, and handed in, the Procrastinators, despite massive efforts to become linear thinkers just could not do it. More unfortunately, there was no going back. They were stranded on Earth, having to live among the efficient people, and make the best of it. Worse still, they could intermarry with the Earth people. The gene was dominant, so a high percentage of children in succeeding generations of Procrastinators were also so afflicted. And so it is today.

People from the Procrastination Universe always put off what they should do today. They are both short sighted and long sighted. That means that they cannot give up the immediate pleasure of the moment to engage in work that would be useful later on. This is shortsighted. On the other hand, they can see the end point of a project, envision the whole thing and have great passion about the meaning of the project. Some are able to parlay their thoughts into new and useful insights. This is long sighted.

There are many ways in which the Procrastinators differ from more conventional Earthlings.They still believe that time is elastic. Because of their genetic endowment, they still feel like they live in a universe where time will infinitely expand to allow them to do the task required after they have spent all their time doing other things. Each time, they are surprised when time runs out. Some learn to work well at deadline. The pressure helps them organize their energy and overcome the time barrier. Then, they work quickly and well. However, they only can produce a first draft. Each time they tell themselves that if they had started earlier, they would have done a better job. Teachers and parents recognize this too. Unfortunately it is not easy to do a better job because doing so requires learning a whole new set of principles. In effect, the Procrastinator needs to set several deadlines and convince him or herself that they are the real ones and so can react with more energy. Teachers can help these students by actually setting smaller goals and mini-deadlines. Over time the teachers help the Procrastinators to modify their thinking so they meet these deadlines more or less accurately and begin to see how to break up big projects and tasks into smaller ones.

Procrastinators feel that details are less important than the vision they have formed of the whole. In fact, the details interfere with the vision so it is best not to focus too much on them. Details require a painful maneuver called attention shifting. Procrastinators have trouble shifting attention from one aspect to the next. Instead, they get fascinated by one detail and try to go further in exploring it. Thus, they also miss the main point of the project or task. These Procrastinators tend to do projects that are approximations of what was needed. Larry, for example, a 10 year old Procrastinator, turned in an original science fair project two days late. He just made the science fair, but he didn't have the required poster, and his report was sketchy. He had put all his time into a working model he had developed the final weekend. He received a grade of "C" and was outraged, especially when the winner of the science fair had a mundane project that was not original but had all the required parts.
It would have helped Larry to have worked with an adult who could have added some structure to his work on the project. Another thing that might help Larry would be to have him complete the project even though he was late, and allow him to improve his grade by doing so. Getting a"C" did not teach Larry what he needed to know: how to divide his time to get all the parts done.

Procrastinators have difficulty sustaining attention for any period of time on material that is not fascinating. Doing an ordinary, mundane task, like taking out the trash, is not fascinating so it isn't done until the deadline: bedtime, or as the trash people are already coming down the block. Because they are big picture people, Procrastinators need to find unique ways to stop themselves and remember to do small, mundane, but necessary tasks. In these days of hand help computers and calenders, making lists of such chores is easier than it used to be. Also, Procrastinators are more likely to look at their mechanical calender than to check a paper and pencil list. Procrastinators like technology because it is stimulating and they are good at figuring it out.

Procrastinators feel negative vibes from projects that ordinary Earth people can tolerate, and even find pleasurable. To the Procrastinators, the negative vibes come from the task like an evil miasma. It takes so much effort to overcome the negative vibes, and focus on the task that even when it is done, there is little satisfaction in it. All Procrastinators feel is relief that it is over. Other people feel rewarded by the combination of using skills and meeting a challenge. The accomplishment of the goal is rewarding and pleasurable. Because painful effects come from doing the task for the Procrastinators, the consequences of not doing the task are much less painful. There is a nagging guilt, or a sense of impending doom when the moment of judgment comes, but these are so much less painful than the negative vibes of doing unstimulating tasks, that Procrastinators never learn from their mistakes. Consequences rarely teach them anything positive.

Dealing with the negative vibes that emanate from unstimulating tasks is very difficult because ordinary Earth people do not feel them. It seems to the ordinary people that the Procrastinators are blaming the task for being unpleasant instead of themselves for not getting it done and over with. Ordinary Earth people have absolutely no appreciation for how bad the actual doing of unpleasant tasks feels. Some of them, in fact, try to convince Procrastinators that the tasks aren't so bad, and even are "fun". Maybe they are to Earth people...

Sometimes, it helps Procrastinators if the task is changed in some way. Giving them some choice about how and when to do it in a short time frame can decrease the negative vibes. Making the task more of a game or more of a challenge can also help. Procrastinators love novelty, so if a novel aspect can be introduced, they may respond. For some tasks though Procrastinators need support and structure to learn to get through the negative vibes. Lisa, for example, hated doing homework and put it off as long as possible. Her homework was somewhat boring, but it also felt extremely negative to her. When she thought about doing the social studies questions she actually felt sick to her stomach. Math, on the other hand wasn't so bad. It was more like a puzzle which she liked doing. She could convince herself that math answers were like murder mysteries, and so she could try to find out who did it. The social studies questions though required that she look for the information in the book, and write out a whole sentence or more. Some required her to think up an original answer or to find information in two different sections These made her feel like throwing up. So, she rarely did any social studies questions. It would be have most helpful to Lisa if she had a different type of social studies, more hands on and visual, without the need for integrating all that information in written form. Over time, Lisa could be taught to dictate answers that incorporated opinions and facts. Having a different type and less homework might have helped Lisa to procrastinate less because it would not have felt so negative to her.

Some Procrastinators do not do tasks unless they want to, that is, only certain tasks feel rewarding and those are the ones they will do. These people have tried to eliminate the negative vibes of tasks by not doing them. Other Procrastinators feel so anxious about the task: getting it done, doing it well enough, dealing with the obstacles, that they are overwhelmed by anxiety. This also keeps them paralyzed from action, and they do not do the task. Instead they worry, or do a lot of other things to use as an excuse, "Well, I didn't get the room cleaned up, but see I did all this other stuff, so I really am not lazy or anything." Anxious Procrastinators worry secretly that they are not good enough, that they will fail to measure up, and so they don't try unless they are absolutely sure they can do the task. This type of Procrastinator only wants to do easy, short tasks that require little effort and little organization. Then they feel less overwhelmed, less afraid and can try.

Anxious Procrastinators may also be perfectionists. They want to do short, easily accomplished tasks perfectly to reassure themselves that they are in control and are really smart. Look, after all, they just did a perfect paper. This sort of Procrastinator waits until the last moment to do the project, but then panics. He or she uses up so much emotional energy there isn't any left for the task. Then, this Procrastinator refuses to go to school or plays sick to stay home. Sometimes the tantrum that resulted from not enough time and panic actually does make the child sick. Given the reprieve of a day at home, they finish up and bring the project to school a day later, but perfectly done, and with a perfect excuse too. They were sick, so it took longer.

Helping an anxious Procrastinator requires that teachers and parents help decrease expectations by giving smaller goals and building up to the bigger end point. As with the time-is-elastic Procrastinators, introducing smaller deadlines and more structure is helpful. Parents also need to set limits on when tasks can be done. That is, they need to set a homework time, dividing it into ordinary homework time and project time. When the time is over, the child has to stop. Naturally this will bring tantrums at first, but eventually the Procrastinating child will get used to the structure and work more easily and well. Panic will decrease.

There are Procrastinators who put off certain tasks because they don't like them and refuse to do them. This is not a form of procrastination so much as defiance in a passive resistant form. It is easier to say "I forgot." than to admit one had no intention of ever doing the the task. It can be difficult to tell if a Procrastinator is really a refuser in disguise because many Procrastinators refuse tasks they cannot do. One clue is how the Procrastinators feel when the task is not done. If they feel guilty or upset, they are likely from the Procrastination Universe and need help. If they feel they outsmarted the adults, or that they shouldn't have to do things they don't like, they may be refusers.

People who came to us from the Procrastination Universe are special. They have many gifts they have given to humanity. For one thing, they allow us to understand the preciousness of the moment, and to see that we need not be productive and efficient all the time. They have also given us an appreciation of how time can feel different to different people. Some cultures on Earth have differing ways of thinking about time. It is not linear to everyone. Thus, those from the Procrastination Universe remind us to be tolerant and helpful. People from the Procrastination Universe are creative. They are apt to go off on an interesting tangent and see things in a new way just because they were not so overly focused on getting the job done. Indeed, if all we Earthlings ever did is finish jobs, we'd still be scurrying around in the mud, never having made any evolutionary advances. Change happens because of those who deviated from the accepted path, not because of the plodders. Nevertheless, despite the advantages of Procrastination, it is a big problem when trying to live on a planet like Earth, especially in the United States. Because of that, people from the Procrastination Universe need a Guide Book so they can navigate the customs of our strange world where time is different, and things are done because someone said so. Maybe writing such a Guide Book will help us when we are the explorers into outer space, and we are the ones who have to adjust to strange ideas and customs.

Did ya mention the short attentions span?


I didn't read all of it but will do so later.


Does doing the same thing over and over mean we are daft?

Hardly, an observation from one who has lived both sides of the last minute mad dash rush (meant both ways naturally)

Waiting until the last minute increases adrenaline, which is a CNS stimulant which increases attention span necessary to do the task. Procrastination is not always mindless, although the procrastinator may not be able (or willing) to verbalize reason behinf behavior. For some procrastination is a coping mechanism that allows one to hyper focus, and open up avenues of creativity. It isn't that procrastinators lack understanding of consequences or behavior, it is a lack of stimulation needed to engage brain and attention span, which the adrenalin rush of a looming dead line quite readily provides.

There are those who actually get pretty good at this waiting until the last minute, and despite the mad dash can actually turn in a decent report or project. This ability can and does come at a cost, it can be unpleasant not only for the procrastinator but for the people around them. In order to facilitate this type of life form some one came up with the brilliant idea of all night discount stores that carry every thing from poster board to bread, wonder how they knew these all night stores would-be so successful . . . .unless they themselves were a procrastinator.

I admit, that I procrastinate on some things, because I don't want to do them.

Procrastination gives me 'time', to figure out another way, either to get out of doing them, or to find another way of getting them done, which doesn't involve me.

The proverbial 'it'll go away if I wait long enough' routine, LOL !


Nova

Like my resume. I have to reformat it into english so other people can understand the gist of my experience, instead of the details. It's obvious to me, but not to very many other people - except techno-geeks and they're only guessing.
But why don't I want to do it? I don't want to focus on myself. But I rrreally don't want to go through the humiliation of interviewing and getting rejected, again. and by idiots. no,no, gotta change that attitude.
this is a lonnnnggggg story.
and boring...
and I don't want to do it. I KNOW I HAVE to.
A lot of procrastination is the rush of success and relief. absolutely.
And pressure forces the hyper-focused response. yup. not helping me a bit. nada. squat. But I still panic when randy calls or comes home from work...guilt. ick. Even the other guys - snitching on me. Holding me hostage.
And maybe some wonderful someone will finally understand my talent and wisk me off to discover somethingorother....don't hold your breath, ya turn blue and die. I can still wish it...
Yeah, all night store, hmmm. I can't even have a garage sale without scrutinizing everyone...
A tiki bar on a beach somewhere....I can do that....

hey k,what's your 'somethingorother'?

I was in the sea a few days ago - East of England - a sand beach alongside Sizewell A and B - two nuclear reactors - one kinda' oldish and the other the familiar geodesic pattern ...
Anyhow - man calls me over - he has a tattoo of a rabbit and is constructing a sun-dial --- he's forgotten his watch.
We talk and find out that we share the same dream of creating power from man - you know the kinda deal - using our heated blood, or our kinetic energy - walking,cycling ... you know the deal ...
...anyhow guy with a 'boxing' rabbit has a phd in electronics - and that's his dream too --- and well ... all in the shadow of nuclear fission ... ... ... 'how very very 'Matrix'....' ...

sb.

You know, I've worked with a guy in Chicago who you really remind me of.
We would start with trying to solve a problem. Accumulate what we already knew and he would build a thought in his head and into the air, which of course I was able to envision perfectly, and I'd go 'nope, this is a hole', with plenty of debate about whether I was correct or not, then we'd fix it and start building all over again with that hole plugged, and we would re-iterate this process until the problem was solved. If we didn't have enough info to plug the hole, we'd hunt it down and then go forward. It was awesome. We did have some stalemates. But we established lifelong respect for each other.
But he, Dave, also shared this same vision with you guys! He even had a business plan of sorts started and lots of ideas on how he'd build this energy source. I don't recall if it was solar or hydro or what... a coinky-dink, no doubt.
Randy, my husband, is a metal rabbit per chinese astrology and has been searching for the right image of a rabbit for another tattoo for years now. He's commissioned several artists, but none of them have cut it.
Strangely enough he wasn't too kean on a water snake entangling the rabbit...

I'm not sure what my somethingorother is. I have been doing consumer products, enhancing digital AV and the user experience in multi-media. Too many people in charge of little fife-doms that just don't get it, for my comfort zone.
Working as a transcriber plus, in the sub-sub-basement of the U of Chicago hospital, I just can't think of the name of it right now - ahh Billings, in radiation therapy, is what finally made me go back to school in pre-med.
But there was this woman, a visiting prof, who was working on an 'expert' system to calculate a course of treatment for breast cancer. The program asked the doctor a series of questions about the patient, metastatic?, etc and the result was a recommendation for the type of radiation=machine, at what depth, for how long, that sort of thing. This was in the early 70's.
I was totally stricken with this project and they let me power it up and down and test it and she paid attention to and appreciated the problems I found in the user interface.
I have felt guilty all this time for not pursuing medical R&D. No benefitting mankind here. I've written letters to the head of Fermi as well - I lived like just a few miles away - almost between Argonne and Fermi.
But no response. Hand written scribble, rambling all over the place....whack job. I probably scared the snot outta them. They didn't seem to care that I might have been a highly talented whack job either.
And neither does anyone else. What a sad realization. Which wasn't always the case.
Unfortunately, I've blasted most of my bridges and have never really 'networked' well either.
Nothing to do except keep pluggin' along...looking...I suppose.
So I am not very enthusiastic about reformulating that old resume and opening myself up for rejection.
I am totally open to suggestions - I just can't relocate the family again for at least a year or so...
Plus Los Angeles is very 'always keep that shiny side up' and I've had a hard time trying to adjust to that. smilin' when they stab ya.

... enhancing digital AV ...Last Saturday - in an electronics store talking to a recent electronics
graduate - whilst resoldering on a new end to my Shure earphones ...
we discuss how cool it'd be to get analogue back and ditch the poor quality of low bit rate mp3s.

Here's a something or other --- a portable analogue device --- pure like a record playing on a high quaity system - linked up to a pre-amp of legendary richness ... and some custom molded ear pieces - delivering the very ultimate in analogue rrreality into our inner realms.

And why is this a winning idea?

Well ... ADDers are coming to a planet Earth near us ... just plain old evolution.
We'll find that the pipelines will be fatter - as discussed previously in this thread --- and particularly music --- pipelines carrying high bandwidth music ...analogue music ... will become the next big thing ...

really :-)

Already now --- I can't get no satisfaction outta' minidisc,i-River lossless --- Total BitHead pre-Amp - Shure2c's ...

... we needz us a portable analogue device ...

ps DAC my next stop on the way to portable analogue heaven ...

:-)

...incidentally from a little further back - check out Captain Da Da's comments on vinyl ... DJ Shadow and Preemptive Strike ... very revealing ... indeed :-) ...

s.

ps - water snakes have been mentioned here quite some - why?
I seem to see a water snake when I look at my dog ... am I just plain looped?

[QUOTE] check out Captain Da Da's comments on vinyl ... DJ Shadow and Preemptive Strike ... /QUOTE] I 'm afraid I'm a little behind here...I'll look later.

analog is very much coming back into vogue. Don't be surprised if it's transported within digital packets though...so pseudo-analog. Everyone says it was the tubes that gave it warmth.
I worked at Zenith and those guys always argued about which was better and it seemed that there were more and more analog converts.

I've worked around 7.1 audio too - which needs to be equalized to the room for the best response.
Digital is only as good as the amp pushing it out and the conversion of course.
Theater audio is digital.

Some people say they can hear the difference even if both are settup.

water snakes - chinese astrology. I was born in the year of the snake and the particular secondary flavor is water. randy in the year of the rabbit, and metal.

i enjoyed the story alot, very good insight and well translated ;)

Me I am lost completely don't get all the teckie language some thing about analog is the future, it’s gotta be portable though, kvrrd is really smart but a bit different , doesn't want to get résumé together (that I understand), so she is procrastinating about it (yep understand that tooooooo)

As far as strangeness the thing is to play normal until they see how good you are, but yeah ya can't be too temperamental though, but some temperamental is okay because all geniuses are supposed to be a little strange. Just try not to be the really really unpleasant strange because then you are tooo stressful for the norms they can't handle too smart to relate intellectually with and toooo temperamental to ask . . . . . . some times maturity helps some times it doesn't. Having grown children I can survive on less money so I can work less hours = I have to put up with less crap!

I don’t have to know teckie because I know people all sorts of people, Many have “rules” that don’t make any sense, some “rules” can be bent a few can be broken but attitude is always important.

Filling out résumé isn't a rejection thing, it is an opportunity thing. (I try to tell myself that any way) I am just basically lazy I think. Toooo hot to be toooooo motivated about tooooo much of any thing!

Okay I will go find the non-technical threads I can understand! Where is that bubble gum jump rope one?

Thanks meadd823... I was told to 'lose the personality' and to stop using my hands (psych). And toooo tempermental - wow, that's a nice description for it...lol....
yeah, that rejection thing...nasty feeling.

Sorry for the technical off-topic stuff - not very many people understand or even care about what I blab about.

And I'm also a teacher, but I'm still learning.from the LP Preemptive Strike
{sample}This is a song about life, death, love, hate, wealth, poverty, racism... just a few things been runnin' through my head... listen... we call on you... listen... now, we call on you... be strong... hear us now... when you speak of overthrowing these conditions i think is what frightens people... the average american, when you simply say the word overthrow, may see this as something very, very bad... i know you're not responsible for his feelings, but, when you say these things, are you threatening someone? ...right now... (people's power) x 3 ...detroit in '42... new york in '64... blinding by a hundred watts... the naked, black, white truth... we have to tear down the walls of stupidity and corruption and put up, in it's place, an edifice of truth... unite in struggle for people's power... unite... truth... unite in struggle for people's power... we are a part of those concerned with gangs... meanwhile, uptown, the dj a player... everybody's so concerned about heroin and marijuana and all that, until they forget the most dangerousest narcotic that exist's, and that's the narcotic that's injected into the minds of infants... it's called social narcotics... so, you know as well as i do that things are changing... change, you know... meanwhile, uptown, the dj a player... revolution... change, you know... so after you youngsters work to change the system... ...submission ...the people's power... my guilt makes me... [(change) x 3 it's only a matter of time] x 4 ...(change) ...freedom!... that's all that life is... the record ends and we must begin again...yes, turns out all three of my sons know his music and certainly share DJ's sentiment. me too.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Okay I will go find the non-technical threads I can understand!...:-)... Naughty Tammy - first Cham, then CF and now you {have all described this sentiment} - whilst simultaneously cracking open the scientific problem which we're tackling - that's just it though (you see) ... you see! ... you really do see!!! ... we *all* can see ... science reduces down to shape - and the ability to vizualize allows us to attempt solutions ... ... ...

...geometry is all about shape - my wife (many years ago) was put into detention for solving geometry problems without showing her workings [accused of cheating] {like who'd be dumb enough to just copy the answer} - turns out the dumb**** teacher couldn't handle Christine's response of 'I didn't need to show my method - the solutions were obvious' ... ... ... and they were for her ... ... ...

We have shifted into the ADDer zone {in the science subsection} - pattern matching is what we do - is where we're going to find the answers to the questions we need answering ... ... ... and I know how good you are at technical - on any level --- so your bubble gum, Cham's hula hoops and CF's crystal ball have all been confiscated ... :-) ...

life is hard! ...btw...Chameleon - '3' - Chamel number 3 - that's your guy!

... :-) ...

sb.

Sorry for the technical off-topic stuff - not very many people understand or even care about what I blab about.

Kvrrd I care about what you have to say some times I can get what is being said via context other times well . .(shrug) . . . no ones perfect!





I was told to 'lose the personality'

Oh don’t loose personality just the really negative parts that make you unapproachable (if you have any) If inapproachable or temperamental is a thing maybe would begin with “why”,

I kind of learned that people who are unapproachable have a reason. If one is a secluded temperamental person that kind is rarely arrogant although even they will claim it. . . a lot simply have a hard time communicating what is in their head so they act arrogant . . . . .but it is really frustration! Most really arrogant as*es are those you can’t !@cking get rid of minus a large stick!





and to stop using my hands

I simply do not get the “don’t use your hand thing” who wrote that rule? I didn’t get that memo. I use my hands all the time to speak and I do patient education as part of what I “do”. I don’t think this is really a problem if they don’t speak much English some times the hand gestures are the part they understand most, heck I been know to draw pictures with stick figures if it helps (especially if I am minus a translator) .






yeah, that rejection thing...nasty feeling.

I know I don’t like it either but it happens to every one. Logically if they don’t know you as a person it can’t be personal even when it feels like it!






Naughty Tammy - first Cham, then CF and now you {have all described this sentiment}


I rather like being naughty – :rolleyes:

It is a way of saying this went right over my head, zoom didn’t even cause a part! (I even tried standing up) Yea I tend to feel stupid even though that isn’t logical because no one knows every thing but I sure give it one hell of a try! :o





so your bubble gum, Cham's hula hoops and CF's crystal ball have all been confiscated ... :-) ...

Hope you can hear me giggling! Gary looks suspiciously over the top of his computer so I read him off some of the technical stuff from above . . . . .nope not even a part in his hair, but he ain’t about to tell me that so he leaves me alone (the reason I was temperamental was? = he won’t get the non-technical stuff either but he would want an explanation which I do not feel like giving = is that arrogant?)


First ya gotta catch me, Sure you will want the bubble gum after I have chewed it? Yumm nice and gooie (yea I am silly I know it is fun) :D

Tamms
Oh don’t loose personality just the really negative parts that make you unapproachable (if you have any) If inapproachable or temperamental is a thing maybe would begin with “why” ME? unapproachable? never. only as protection.

I liked someone's description here in ADDF - maybe it was you... IF an ADDer gives warning signals that are repeatedly ignored, the resultant response can be one driven from frustration.
something like that.

Yeah, I don't think I CAN talk without waving my arms - especially if I'm interested in the conversation. Plus so many people just don't understand what I mean (- could be I'm not very clear about what I mean.). I'm really trying to complete my sentense while trying to remain in the same thought...doesn't always work right.

Actually, I'm feeling pretty good these days - except for that stupid, childish, emotional reluctance to venture forth to get myself a job. Logic doesn't always prevail... This is totally irrational.
Maybe it's becoming one of the 'common folk' working their way up from the bottom again, and again, and again, again that I don't want to endure again. So sick of proving myself.
I think it's really about going along thinking everthing is peachy and then BOOM - cold cocked.
That last interview I had, scared the snot outta me. I totally lost reality during it, and only afterwards did I realize how many idiotic defeating things I said. I need to trust myself again.

I am an egoist (not to be confused with egotist) in true Ayn Rand style.
Arrogance is a vacuous trait. ick.
You learn that certain topics with certain people you spend time with, can lead to nowhere. No, I don't think that is arrogance. Unless you say/think something like, "ONLY I can noodle this out."

If someone has a problem they just can't solve, and I say this is how you solve it, and they ignore my suggestion without even considering it, and keep pounding away and not solving it, then I can get downright arrogant. But mostly, it's chronic indignation and I have to remove myself.
run away, run away..

...there's something going' on here - it's the same rationale behind Alby dropping on into patent work *and* Tom and Kay's (brilliant) kiddie calling a timeout from calculus and tensors (as a cycle messenger) ... other examples [omitted'] ...

' kvrrd is in there though

{Calling a timeout from orthodoxy is our equivalent of entering the caves to elicit the hallucinations}

...don't for a second think that you're not working - and please know that when you've cracked the problem which drives you to read the Internet (in its entirety ...:-)...) - that all of that former reality will cease to matter.

There're maybe a couple of bits of all of this here, which you don't yet believe to be true [jury's out? (perhaps)] - believing them to be true (for yourself - with evidence which *you* accrue) - will lead you to a rrreality more Real ... one in which the self-distrust dissipates.

... really!

However - the bit before - we're gonna' have to reach in and find those bits'n'pieces of our current reality which're buggin' the (blue-)greencheezus outta'us - kinda' like your post on MS - these're the riddles which'll switch our minds into the stability of new form.

Think 'road blocks'.

So - MS - back on evol psycho (soon) ...

{aside [myself]}

... ... ... First week I began my PHD - little bloke (white hair) - used to come into the laboratory. Cheap mug (sometimes a kettle) ... and used to fill them up (from our ddH2O container).
At the end of the week - get round to asking who the strange little bloke was ... ... ... and is that safe!

'Ahhh! Professor Epstein (EBV dude!) - he likes his tea to be made with distilled water)'

... ... ... silly Egbert Epstein!

Rather a famous chappie in Oxford though - he would probably have been allowed to heat his tea with tritium ... ... ... 'hot' tea

'... ... ... anyone for a nice cuppa'hot tea?' says Eggy Epstein

{no arms in the air, no answers}

'... ... ... so that's no then ...'

{aheada' [myself]???}

...:-)...

sb.

Michael Anthony Epstein (http://www.whonamedit.com/doctor.cfm/2926.html) studied medicine at Cambridge University and the Middlesex Hospital Medical School; he is now at the Nuffield Department of Clinical Medicine, University of Oxford.

In 1961, Epstein, then an assistant pathologist at London‘s Middlesex hospital, heard Burkitt’s presentation of his epidemiological studies at the Hospital and was fascinated.

Burkitt had first described "his" lymphoma in 1958. This report, as well as lectures on the topic, were met with little interest. But all that changed when Burkitt in 1961 published a new compilation on malign lymphoma in African children in the journal Cancer.

Epstein asked Burkitt for some tumour samples and immediately started analysing the material he got. But his virus proved to be elusive and impossible to culture.

Then, Epstein and his assistant Yvonne Barr, frustrated by several years of fruitless struggle, decided on a completely different approach to the problem: They did what no one else had done before and, for the first time, separated and grew human lymphocytes in continuous culture.

In 1964, while examining some of these cells under an electron microscope, Epstein finally saw particles morphologically similar to herpes virus, now known as Epstein-Barr Virus.
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... so viral transformation of normal cells ->- 'cancer' cells ... ... ...
... the human cell endowed with the same uncontrolled propensity for growth as the virus ...
... morphological similarity HSV and EBV ...
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...back into the arms of an Evol Psycho ... ... ...

Incidentally ...

Epstein-Barr virus (Michael Anthony Epstein) (http://www.whonamedit.com/synd.cfm/3508.html)
Human herpes virus causing infectious mononucleosis.

I'm really trying to complete my sentense while trying to remain in the same thought...doesn't always work right.

I understand this completely . . . I think being able to show people the pictures in our head would be so much faster and easier than having to find the right words to go with all the stuff zooming about in the ole brain box!


Could be waving your arms is like using a second sensory means of staying focused on what you are saying. A means of keeping your self engaged in the idea.

I know some times it has taken me so long to explain an idea by the time I am mid way through explaining the idea I am already bored with that one and ready to move onto the next.

Some times I do not think people want to really know the answer. I do not understand this because when I ask a question I am normally interested in the answer, even if I disagree. However I have found many people are not like me.


Like Gary questioning me about my laughing I simply did want to take the time to explain why I was laughing. In my mind if he were really interested in what is said here he would get on the internet access this site and read it just like I do. So to me he really isn't that interested therefore I am not really interested in loosing my own interest trying to explain it to some one who really isn't interested in the first place. . . make any sense?


If someone has a problem they just can't solve, and I say this is how you solve it, and they ignore my suggestion without even considering it, and keep pounding away and not solving it, then I can get downright arrogant. But mostly, it's chronic indignation and I have to remove myself.
run away, run away..

Oh that is because you take it personally I think.

Gary will want to know how to do "X' on his computer and he will interrupt what I am doing to go over and help. Some times I need to push different buttons to see what he has done or what need to be done, some times I simple can not find the words to explain what needs to be done but I know how to do it. when I ask him to let me get on his computer, he keeps saying wait let me try this or that . . . . . .I wait about 30 seconds then

I simply tell him straight out "standing here watching you push buttons and curse is really boring, I don’t want to do this any more so I am going back to what I was doing"


Or

He will actually let me sit down at his desk then he wants to stand over my shoulder and dictate to me what he wants to push

I respond by Asking him "If you knew what you were doing and wanted to do this your way your reason for interrupting me was???? You can do it your way AND leave me alone at the same time."

If neither response works I simply walk off.

This annoys the hell out of him.

My feeling and I am communicative If you aren't going to listen to the answer why ask the question? This behavior simply doesn’t make sense. . . . . .


I don't take his behavior as personal or reflective of me I simply see this behavior as a reflection of him I have found he is often not a very logical creature. . . . a lot of people are like Gary they simply do not make sense. I have learned that other people's "non-sense" (or lack of sense) has noting to do with me as a person.

I love you guys...RRReally. Have I mentioned that lately? ooohhh goose bumps.

yes, I am sick of fighting to mesh with exactly that - orthodoxy.
Sons #1 and #2 came out dropped out! or dropped out as drop outs.
SB: we're gonna' have to reach in and find those bits'n'pieces of our current reality which're buggin' the (blue-)greencheezus outta'us and so absolutely and totally distracting...driven. Like the guy that built the mud structure in his house before he set out to hear - doo do do do do - I refuse to find the tune and place the actual notes here....! hopefully that's acceptable...cuz, Cray's gonna tell us in a moment or 2...

These roadblocks are draining my resources...but it can't be THAT critical to ME - otherwise I would change it... (or maybe I'm still emphasising to family/everyone that the cashcow is still out to lunch...?)

http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/tritium.htm
Tritium is a radioactive form of hydrogen, used in research, fusion reactors and neutron generators. The radioactive properties of tritium are very useful. By mixing tritium with a chemical that emits light in the presence of radiation, a phosphor, a continuous light source is made. This can be applied to situations where a dim light is needed but where using batteries or electricity is not possible. Rifle sights and exit signs are two examples of where this phenomenon is commonly used. The phosphor sights help increase nighttime firing accuracy and the exit signs can be life saver if there is a loss of power. The radioactive decay product of tritium is a low energy beta that cannot penetrate the outer dead layer of human skin. Therefore, the main hazard associated with tritium is internal exposure. In addition, due to the relatively long half life and short biological half life, tritium must be ingested in large amounts to pose a significant health risk. In keeping with the philosophy of ALARA, internal exposure should be kept as low as practical. ahead of yourself you say??? tritium trapped inside of us can't get out - quick - call a lawyer...

While working at Billings, before going back to school, I'd go to the UofC bookstore and graze...
In a rather short time I armed myself with Gould's medical dictionary, Merck's manual, Gray's anatomy and a PDR, me and viruses and lots of stuff go wayyyyyyy back.

and back to EV...eventually. Sometimes these things need to rattle around awhile, let the old unconcious do it's thang....

tamms:
I think being able to show people the pictures in our head would be so much faster and easier than having to find the right words to go with all the stuff zooming about in the ole brain box! translating that picture into linear words - sometimes just can't be done!
(arm waving) A means of keeping your self engaged in the idea and maybe the other person too. or just being ready to smack 'em...
by the time I am mid way through explaining the idea I am already bored with that one especially if you sense boredom in them...
Like Gary questioning me about my laughing exactly, me too, makes total sense!
Taking things personally - EVERYTHING. soooo sensitive and skinless. And yet I'm described as intimidating. go figure.

but this........Gary will want to know how to do "X' on his computer and he will interrupt what I am doing to go over and help. Some times I need to push different buttons to see what he has done or what need to be done, some times I simple can not find the words to explain what needs to be done but I know how to do it. when I ask him to let me get on his computer, he keeps saying wait let me try this or that . . . . . .I wait about 30 seconds then

I simply tell him straight out "standing here watching you push buttons and curse is really boring, I don’t want to do this any more so I am going back to what I was doing"


Or

He will actually let me sit down at his desk then he wants to stand over my shoulder and dictate to me what he wants to push

I respond by Asking him "If you knew what you were doing and wanted to do this your way your reason for interrupting me was???? You can do it your way AND leave me alone at the same time."

If neither response works I simply walk off.

This annoys the hell out of him.

My feeling and I am communicative If you aren't going to listen to the answer why ask the question? This behavior simply doesn’t make sense. . . . . .
this IS IDENTICAL to us!!!!!!!!!!!! and imagine having a hyper 22 y/o who wants his ipod updated and is having a problem, pacing and whining and complaining, and when he does actually let you touch the kbd WITH the ipod plugged in, he starts grabbing at your hands everytime he doesn't LIKE what you might be doing.... yikes!!! I have learned not to react in like manner. tough one. yup, walk away - but he's our bones and he is me and Randy. We are all peas in this (i)pod. ("you been talking to SB?")