I've been wondering about this idea ever since it popped up in my mind.

Do you think maybe that we are hypersensitive because nature won't be stopped?

Please bear with me a sec. I just passed the 1 year mark since I was diagnosed ADHD. Strange anniversary to have, but anyway, the year was spent learning more about myself than I think I did in the 42 years before it. Collecting what, like every expert out there thinks about our brains, our minds, our behavior. Reading their books about ADHD, the cause, the effect, our development, our deficit and on and on.

How can I possibly be so bad and so good? Why would I be gifted at this when I can't even do that?

All their ideas poured into my head. Add my zipping thoughts, pinging everywhere around them, diving thru them, shooting ahead of them or continuing them after. Somewhere along the line it occurred to me.

The paradox of our "special talents" juxtaposed with our "obvious lacks" isn't a paradox at all...

IF

..If the assumption ISN'T that our development, human development, follows a defined path along a well known timeline in a well studied order, physically, psychologically, socially.

*** What if the assumption instead is that human development, our development, is making the path? Our own path. ***

Could development, physically, psychologically, or socially, just have a general tendency to flow a path? Cascade along a typical timeline? Like water tends to run downhill but the streambeds are unique. Do you think maybe we are so used to the usual that we just think we can define it all?

OK then, why shouldn't what we see, prove what we know?

Don't scientists look at everything in nature? See ALL the data? Patterns AND differences. Don't they discover "new" things all the time?

What if we are natural? All of us. What if our nature is simply to grow?

So I'm back where I started.

Maybe we are hypersensitive because nature won't be stopped. Maybe we're lots of things because we're not other things.

Yeah, my brain chemistry didn't support conscious concentration which I could control. So what, I wasn't developing self control (literally) when you were. AND I wasn't building on that (missing) foundation all the rest of the "talents" of focusing, filtering distractions, controlling my impulses, or even initiating action I want by consciously creating impulses myself.

While you were doing all that, I don't remember sitting still though. Seriously, that wouldn't be like me!

I can't filter anything out, but I can take in everything my senses deliver and hold it in my awareness simultaneously. All of my senses. And while were on the subject, holy crap what keen senses I've developed! I notice stuff that you don't. N'yay N'yay.

Ok, I don't understand a lot of your social "rules" and cues, but I really don't get why you can't tell he's lying or know she's sad. I mean isn't it obvious to you too?

I can't go step by step. I don't have your patience. But look, step 3 is just like 7 and 8. See the connection? This way will save us time. Everyone sees that, right?

I dunno. It's a theory.

I think life flows thru us no matter where the rocks are in our way. It isn't good or bad, it just is; and whatever it is we've been doing all along, we can't help but get better at it.

I'd like to know what you think?

Best,
Me


[NOTE: This post is more apropriately a new thread and has been lifted from it's original location this forum in previous thread on hypersensitivity.]

The reason we try to overcome our ADD is to fit better among society. Its very obvious that the reasons for ADD are much more influenced by enviromental factors than by chemical. (For most people.) But just because its a diffrent way of being than some people, doesnt mean its a good thing to have.

We all have diffrent goals though, so eveyones view will be diffrent. Personaly, at least in this point in my life, I love money. May not seem the most noble of causes, but at least its honest. :D This means that many of the aspects of my ADD cause me problems reaching this goal. Id rather keep my 120k job than explore other interests.

But for other people, they don't want that. Their personal goals may be helped by their ADD, its just what goals you have set for yourself.

Like me, perhaps, Daven? I am totally interested in getting my degree so that I can pursue a career that fulfills me personally. The payrate means nothing to me. I am sure I could struggle and get a degree that will pay me much more than my chosen path, but I cannot bear the thought of sacrificing my internal drive to do what makes me happy for the higher salaries that may be available in another profession :).

Crazy :cool:

Like me, perhaps, Daven? I am totally interested in getting my degree so that I can pursue a career that fulfills me personally. The payrate means nothing to me. I am sure I could struggle and get a degree that will pay me much more than my chosen path, but I cannot bear the thought of sacrificing my internal drive to do what makes me happy for the higher salaries that may be available in another profession :).

Crazy :cool:
Your point being? That isn't on the topic of this post, but I knew that little bit of information would catch someones goat. :D

As I said before, its all about personal goals. I want to be a good provider for my wife and kids, be able to live life in the style I want, and still be able to have my hobbies. ( cars boats and food. :D)

That means at this point, money would be the thing that lets me achieve all of those goals. That doesnt mean its my only one, but at this point in my young life, it is the most pressing. I have responsibilities to my family, and like to have fun myself. And it seems like your trivializing my choices, while making yours sound so much more respectable. And if that was indeed your message, it just seems tacky, and makes your character obvious.

Your point being? That isn't on the topic of this post, but I knew that little bit of information would catch someones goat. :DMy point being, I need to expand upon my reply. I happen to be one of the hypersensitive, highly intuitive type of ADDers. My goal is to use my gifts to further my life and career at the same time.

As I said before, its all about personal goals. I want to be a good provider for my wife and kids, be able to live life in the style I want, and still be able to have my hobbies. ( cars boats and food. :D)One of my hobbies seems to be providing free therapy for the members of ADDF :). I have been told I do a very good job of it, not to mention some of the advice I have offered to my child's therapist has become part of her program in dealing with ADHD children. She also said I was very good at it.

That means at this point, money would be the thing that lets me achieve all of those goals. That doesnt mean its my only one, but at this point in my young life, it is the most pressing. I have responsibilities to my family, and like to have fun myself. I do not see where I have invalidated any of that. I am certainly not young, and have only so much time left to reach any goals in my own life.

And it seems like your trivializing my choices, while making yours sound so much more respectable. And if that was indeed your message, it just seems tacky, and makes your character obvious.I am sorry you feel that way. It was not my intent at all, and I believe my character throughout my other posts is fairly clear for someone as impaired as I am with severe ADHD.

In short, I think the OP makes a strong point and I agree. Why would I have the abilities I have if not to use them to better the world I live in? I intend to work with neurodiverse individuals and families, after all.

Crazy :cool:

What if we are natural? All of us. What if our nature is simply to grow?

I don’t feel un-natural but I feel I am expected to function in ways that are un-natural to me.



I can't filter anything out, but I can take in everything my senses deliver and hold it in my awareness simultaneously. All of my senses. And while were on the subject, holy crap what keen senses I've developed! I notice stuff that you don't. N'yay N'yay.

Seeing I am hyperactive (pure impulsive ADHD variety) I can probably match you in the above. All that processing can get tiring when what I am expected to do is focus on the mundane boring and uninteresting. This is what I mean by being expected to function in ways that are un-natural for me.




I can't go step by step. I don't have your patience. But look, step 3 is just like 7 and 8. See the connection? This way will save us time. Everyone sees that, right?

This is called global thinking and yes I have this myself and I am by far not the only one here that does this. Most time I see the whole picture and the many pieces of the picture at the same time. I have a multiple perspectives simultaneously.




Reading their books about ADHD, the cause, the effect, our development, our deficit and on and on.

Dig the choice of the word “their” books on ADD. Don’t believe in deficit outside of social context and moronic linier expectations, well frankly neither do I. I also look for the advantages of being who I was meant to be, my signature says it all.

Sorry some times I get distracted and forget that I am supposed to be moderating!

Please let us not turn this into a mud slinging contest okay. It is beneath us all as adults plus it is against guidelines (Note to self-which I am supposed to ensure get followed.)


Please let us remember we are all different and respect each other personal choices. Disagreeing in a respectful manner is not invalidation, it is seeing things differently.

If you post some thing you know is going to "get some ones goat " please do not post it unless you are willing to accept said goat!

In other wards if you know at the time of posting what you have to say is going to create controversy that is the time to decide weather or not you are in a position to tolerate the controversy you knew your thought is likely to generate.

On the other hand disliking and disagreeing with another’s opinion is a sign to employ extra effort to show respect.

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Now back to the topic provided in the initial post. Please let us show respect for the person who begin this discussion in same manner we would want to be respected.

Welcome to the forum ... :-) ... ... a few whistle whetting pointers ...

I'd like to know what you think?
Well - you asked ... :-) ...

OK then, why shouldn't what we see, prove what we know?
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I dunno. It's a theory.
In forum thread::evolutionary psychology - we define the difference between knowing, believing and faith ... ... ... whatever you know - as evidenced by your post - others know - ths ecientific community cannot 'prove' ... yet! ... so is it true? ... isn't it true? ... h*ll yeah! - it's true ... ... ...

Could development, physically, psychologically, or socially, just have a general tendency to flow a path? Cascade along a typical timeline? Like water tends to run downhill but the streambeds are unique. Do you think maybe we are so used to the usual that we just think we can define it all?
For sure - what does this path look like? Use any means at your disposal to describe the path - don't much care if your path is a yellow brick road - paved with good intentions --- or a spiral - or a 2 mile long potato encrusted vegetarian guacamole sausage --- :-) --- any description of the path which you see'd be welcome ... ... ...

Don't scientists look at everything in nature? See ALL the data? Patterns AND differences. Don't they discover "new" things all the time?
Systems scientists - a *new* discipline synthesize --- science, previously has involved decomposing and classifying any problem into ever decreasing circles ... much mention of systems biology, systems theory, systems analysis, systems XYZ ... here ... it's an ADDer trait --- 'big picture syndrome' is a synonym for ADD ...
forum thread::ABF (alternative brain function)

What if we are natural? All of us. What if our nature*** is simply to grow?
Maybe we are hypersensitive because nature*** won't be stopped.
We are natural; our nature is to grow ... evolution - covered in ... ... ...
forum thread::Evolutionary Psychology
Note:
*** evolution

So I'm back where I started.
Hang onto that idea ... ... ...

Yeah, my brain chemistry didn't support conscious concentration which I could control. So what, I wasn't developing self control (literally) when you were. AND I wasn't building on that (missing) foundation all the rest of the "talents" of focusing, filtering distractions, controlling my impulses, or even initiating action I want by consciously creating impulses myself.
Great call --- much more in forum thread::Metamind
You are describing the illusion that the conscious mind is in control of our actions --- the conscious mind is more a commentator (and a poor one at that) on the action - and *not* the conductor of the symphony - the conductor is better seen as a variant on action:reaction ... ... ... not so much a simple chemical reaction - as a complex chemical reaction - kinda' multiple chemical reactions rolled together - creating the illusion of rrreality being more than a composite of the only thing that it could ever be ...

While you were doing all that, I don't remember sitting still though. Seriously, that wouldn't be like me!
I wasn't - I was sitting next to you - watching the people sitting through all of that --- there won't be so many sitting through boredom soon --- you'd call it nature --- I'd call it evolution --- but whichever - however --- it just has to be progress, doen't it?
Boredom - sucks - ~!~

I can't filter anything out, but I can take in everything my senses deliver and hold it in my awareness simultaneously. All of my senses. And while were on the subject, holy crap what keen senses I've developed! I notice stuff that you don't. N'yay N'yay.
You sure have --- look for the hawks in forum thread::creating your own reality

Ok, I don't understand a lot of your social "rules" and cues, but I really don't get why you can't tell he's lying or know she's sad. I mean isn't it obvious to you too?
So obvious it hurts --- you may find our inability to play by current society's rules renders us labelled as social misfits --- the irony that societal improvement is a key component of the characteristics which the ADDer holds over the nonADDer and which differentiate the ADDer from the nonADDer ... more in forum thread:: Why are ADD/HD children and adults so often socially inept?
Grrr!!! - I hate that thread title ... ... ...

I can't go step by step. I don't have your patience. But look, step 3 is just like 7 and 8. See the connection? This way will save us time. Everyone sees that, right?
Sure --- the nonlinear thinking process of the ADDer --- check out forum thread::What does pure ADHD look like?

... a gentle intro to the wonderful world of ADDforums ... rather an information-laden resource --- :-) ... and I have this sneaking feeling - that you will like it here ... ... ...

To which I believe the customary response is 'yay!!!'

So 'yay!!!' ... cu round&&about ...

SB.

The ADD unifying statement no matter how one sees thier ADD I can't see any one disagreeing with this!

Boredom - sucks - ~!~


We aspirate at boredom thus the label ADD!

Speaking of boredom . . . . .got to go . . . . .laundry . . . . .is boring!